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They say you reap what you sow. After the results we have leaders of the two mainstream parties coming out to say ' Sorry, we got It wrong and underestimated public feeling on Immigration'... what they have done Instead, over the years, Is to Instill as Nazisque fear Into the public that god forbid should they speak out, they will be branded racist.... David Cameron has now announced he Is to make an Immigration policy next week. Sorry, too little, way too late.

What It does prove, is the utter complacency those In government had for the views of the very people who put them In power and now the Far Right have made such gains, they are sorry !!!! ???? Britain has spoken through the ballot box and for everyone who's been so quick to accuse others for being racist, they deserve all they get now.

Meanwhile In Paris, the Far Right National Front sweep to victory and In Germany a neo nazi Is elected.... how the worms turn !!!
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Bruv;1455301 wrote: The Daily Mail reports Farage boasts Euro Triumph ?

What has that to do with a General Election that is nearly a year away, and the timing of which is determined by the party in power?


Have you been sleeping?

The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. About the only thing the libdems have achieved while bent over for the tories is fixed terms for parliament. I struggle to think of anything else. Actually no I don't I'm just so pissed off with clegg he blew the only real chance we have had for electoral reform when he didn't make it a conditio for any coalition.

I think the BNP are finished as well, ukip hav nicked their colours and made them prettier
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gmc;1455464 wrote: Have you been sleeping?

I think the BNP are finished as well, ukip hav nicked their colours and made them prettier


Sorry.........I missed that.

Hopefully the BNP have lost their reason for existance.

Strangely UKIP saying they are not racist seems to have swung it their way in the eyes of the electorate, which to me me is good to hear.
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Oscar Sellotape;1455463 wrote: What It does prove, is the utter complacency those In government had for the views of the very people who put them In power and now the Far Right have made such gains, they are sorry !!!! ???? Britain has spoken through the ballot box and for everyone who's been so quick to accuse others for being racist, they deserve all they get now.

Meanwhile In Paris, the Far Right National Front sweep to victory and In Germany a neo nazi Is elected.... how the worms turn !!!


"They deserve all they get now" .........what would that be ?

The French and German right are far removed from the likes of UKIP.
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gmc;1455464 wrote: Have you been sleeping?

The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. About the only thing the libdems have achieved while bent over for the tories is fixed terms for parliament. I struggle to think of anything else. Actually no I don't I'm just so pissed off with clegg he blew the only real chance we have had for electoral reform when he didn't make it a conditio for any coalition.

I think the BNP are finished as well, ukip hav nicked their colours and made them prettier Clegg was never up to It. The Coalition was doomed from the start. You had Cameron turning more to the right by the day and the LD's opposing every proposal at every turn. Nothing was getting passed, they spent their days opposing each other and actually doing bugger all. I think Lib/Lab pacts can work but not Lib/Con... far too apart from each other and reality.

The BNP won't be finished... I agree the losses will be a blow but despite that, you still can not deny one million members or votes. There maybe time for them to get their act together before the GE... I don't think they will. I'm not going to go Into all the why's and where for's here but their downfall Is down to Internal politics and fighting...They fell apart the moment Andrew Brons and Nick griffin fell out over the Cocoa Pops one morning In Brussels ( true )... Andrew resigned and defected starting up his own new party. Andrew took most of the key figures with him and the one's with the know how and education to get them elected such as Arthur Kemp. He also lost Jim Dowsen who was solely responsible for raising the millions needed to stand candidates In every ward. Without him, they were left floundering for donations. If any underestimated Dowsen's contribution then look no further than the success and rise of Britain First since the split. As before when we had all this prior between Griffin and Eddy Butler and the leadership challenge, Nick believed the BNP was all about him. He's lost the very people he needed and then of course, very recently he was declared bankrupt thanks to Michieala McKenzie and her lawsuit against him. ( Another long story).

Yet, UKIP, have stuck together and that's what I believe Is partly due to their success. Internal fighting has and can destroy a party and UKIP's unity have proved that.

eta.... There was a call two years ago for ' Nationalists Unite' the Idea being that If you took all of the parties, the NF, BF, ED, BNP and even EDL, they could create a Party large enough to see members returned to Westminster. It was Nick who wouldn't budge... that's the problem... too many factions to get elected.
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Bruv;1455467 wrote: "They deserve all they get now" .........what would that be ?

The French and German right are far removed from the likes of UKIP. The one's who's utter complacency and contempt for the British voter. The one's who believed that we were stuck with two mainstream parties who would eternally dominate British Government despite how anyone felt.

Now these excuse's are crawling out with apologies stating ' we underestimated British feelings on Immigration'. The one's who from their leafy suburbia, never poking their head above the parapet to take In how this country was being governed called anyone who opposed those apologists ' racist'. because they believed that made them sound Intelligent and In the loop.

I was reading an article yesterday where a Conservative MP said Farage's policies fill him with dread...yet he also said, that's complacency for you !!
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According to the BBC, it seems there was a 34% voter turnout.

In the States, we hit about 50% turnout in the last national election.

It appears to me that voter apathy has become the driving force in politics, these days.

I reckon that the sheep don't really care who is doing the shearing.
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I believe the purpose of the marginal parties are to kick the mainstream ones where it hurts.

I can't see the British ever going as far right as in the rabid right wing, but only as a prod to to remind the ruling class who is in charge.
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LarsMac;1455482 wrote: According to the BBC, it seems there was a 34% voter turnout.

In the States, we hit about 50% turnout in the last national election.

It appears to me that voter apathy has become the driving force in politics, these days.

I reckon that the sheep don't really care who is doing the shearing.


There is a larger turnout for General elections but never enough.

It is because they are all pretty much the same and don't react fast enough to public opinion.

UKIP are basically a one trick pony, a single purpose party, that is in touch with the public mood at this moment.........I reckon they are dispensible when the task is done.
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LarsMac;1455482 wrote: According to the BBC, it seems there was a 34% voter turnout.

In the States, we hit about 50% turnout in the last national election.

It appears to me that voter apathy has become the driving force in politics, these days.

I reckon that the sheep don't really care who is doing the shearing.


Which sums up my prior posts.... APATHY.

The general feeling by the British that It doesn't matter who they vote for, the two mainstream parties will win and dominate regardless of public opinion.

The feeling of ' what's the point of voting' nothing will change, nothing will get better.... It's a monumental statement by the British If just 36 % turned to the Far Right.... what these EU elections may do, Is give the British a kick up the arsse to get off their fat backsides and speak through the ballot box In the General Election a year from now. This result may just make some people realise that change Is possible.
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What did I mean by those who showed such apathy getting all they deserved.

Well, I've been looking at some UKIP proposals should they get a majority even a coalition In the General election a year from now.

More welfare reform.

Abolishing maternity leave and welfare payments.

Reinstatement of state Borstals.

Reinstatement of the death penalty.

Reinstatement of capital punishment.

Total withdrawal from the EU

Abolishing some human rights

Deportation for all Immigrant criminals

Segregated prisons

Abolishment of gay marriage



That's just a fraction of It
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Spread the news, make sure you mention all that wherever you go.............they don't stand a chance......they have done what they were put on earth to do.
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Oscar Sellotape;1455499 wrote: What did I mean by those who showed such apathy getting all they deserved.

Well, I've been looking at some UKIP proposals should they get a majority even a coalition In the General election a year from now.

More welfare reform.

Abolishing maternity leave and welfare payments.

Reinstatement of state Borstals.

Reinstatement of the death penalty.

Reinstatement of capital punishment.

Total withdrawal from the EU

Abolishing some human rights

Deportation for all Immigrant criminals

Segregated prisons

Abolishment of gay marriage



That's just a fraction of It


Well if that does not awaken the 'dead', then you guys are in a heap of trouble.
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LarsMac;1455504 wrote: Well if that does not awaken the 'dead', then you guys are in a heap of trouble. As my Turkish pal would say ' Yanni'... ( exactly )
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Bruv;1455500 wrote: Spread the news, make sure you mention all that wherever you go.............they don't stand a chance......they have done what they were put on earth to do.


As the leaders of the former two mainstream parties come out to offer grovelling apologies for underestimating public feeling, out comes another whiner blaming the BBC this time....



Watch A Video Of Alex Salmond Blaming The BBC For Ukip Getting Votes In Scotland
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Oh and not forgetting one UKIP candidate announced ' Poofters should be shot'.... another wants Marital rape made legal.

And more:

Eight of the most homophobic things UKIP candidates and supporters have said · PinkNews.co.uk
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Bruv;1455500 wrote: Spread the news, make sure you mention all that wherever you go.............they don't stand a chance......they have done what they were put on earth to do.


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Only five countries reported a voter turnout of > 50%.

Most were in the 23-35 % range.

Most of the gains were in the fringe camps.

The party hacks and better sit up and take notice, or the EU will soon be an interesting note in the history books.
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LarsMac;1455565 wrote: Only five countries reported a voter turnout of > 50%.

Most were in the 23-35 % range.

Most of the gains were in the fringe camps.

The party hacks and better sit up and take notice, or the EU will soon be an interesting note in the history books.


I had the official turn out from parties as 36 % overall but they could be wrong. However, with apologies, I refer to my Right Honourable Learned Country Man Bruv as a right numpty and anyone else thinking the way he Is. Him and others In the country are still sitting there with their fingers In their ears singing la la la la la la.

Like Bruv, some say It won't happen... It's happened already !!!!

Parties and voters have become so complacent they just think nothing will change. That's the way It's been for hundreds of years and nothing will change It... wrong.

Every pre-election campaign from what ever Party has promised us a referendum on the EU and have never delivered. In fact It was Cameron who last promised a referendum and I believe It may of helped him to get Into Number 10... then he didn't deliver. Then they all promise to curb Immigration and continue to buckle to EU dictates that we accept more. ( I read something the other day that Cameron's net Immigration stats are flawed and have not dropped as he Is now claiming... I'll find It If I have to ).

These points are what get them elected then they do not deliver. But we as a Nation accept and have accepted for decades that our mainstream parties can and will lie to us over and over again but we'll still keep voting for them In the vain hope we may just get one who will stick to his pledges. Worse, we have years of polls Including government polls that tell them the electorate Is deeply unhappy about being ruled by Brussell's and polls showing mass Immigration Is the biggest concern to the people but then they Ignore the polls.... Sheer arrogance !!

The main Parties knew UKIP were on the rise some time ago but they set about what they have done for decades with the BNP.... smear campaigns.... only this time, they failed. That's the real shock and awe going on In Westminster right now. The fact that they did not actually get off their back sides and campaign for the EU elections but as per usual, sat back and said ' It's ok, all we have to do Is label everyone racist and we'll still win'.

Voters like Bruv who say ' It won't happen' still have their fingers In their ears. UKIP have not won by some tiny majority but caused a bloodbath victory. The EU election results usually are a fair Indication of a General Election. If those elected this week for UKIP In the next year carry out their pledges and make Inroads then come a years time, I think their gains could be far more.

My concern with UKIP Is they are unknown territory. People can say what they like about Nick Griffin but he has never lied and never wavered from his policies over 35 years. He doesn't and never has changed tact to suit the mood of the country. He's the ultimate totalitarian but you know where you are with him. Some UKIP views are quite horrifying especially to homosexuals. If In Number 10, one doesn't quite know how far his government would go.
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After writing my last paragraph, I find this.

UKIP candidate Geoffrey Clarke calls for compulsory abortion for Down's syndrome and Spina Bifida babies - Mirror Online
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For all the talk.........let us remember how many UKIP MP's are sitting in the House of Parliament............remind us all will you Oscar please
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Bruv;1455583 wrote: For all the talk.........let us remember how many UKIP MP's are sitting in the House of Parliament............remind us all will you Oscar please


Have you swallowed a whole bottle of numpty pills ?

EU Elections are held every Five years.

The last general Elections was In 2010.... and by the time we have our next, It'll be 5 years.

UKIP have steadily come to the fore over the last 5 years...

Until the General Election In a years time... of course there are no MP's In Westminster !!!!
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So until May 2015 any affect of the EU election results will be in the hands of the mainstream parties, who will be rapidly redrawing their manifestos to suit.

To my recollection there have been similar shock election results over the years.....down to several other upstart parties, these include BNP, Social Democrats, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, SNP off the top of my head.

12 months will show whether the one man band fronted by the gobby nice bloke from down the pub, Mr Farage, can continue keep all it's 'characters' out of harms way.

UKIP are a 'good idea' but unless they can ride out the storm that is going to hit them from every side......all they have done so far is get elected to an organisation they want to dismantle.

They may or may not sweep to a massive victory next May, but I wouldn't mind a small wager that they wont.
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Bruv;1455587 wrote: So until May 2015 any affect of the EU election results will be in the hands of the mainstream parties, who will be rapidly redrawing their manifestos to suit.

To my recollection there have been similar shock election results over the years.....down to several other upstart parties, these include BNP, Social Democrats, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, SNP off the top of my head.

12 months will show whether the one man band fronted by the gobby nice bloke from down the pub, Mr Farage, can continue keep all it's 'characters' out of harms way.

UKIP are a 'good idea' but unless they can ride out the storm that is going to hit them from every side......all they have done so far is get elected to an organisation they want to dismantle.

They may or may not sweep to a massive victory next May, but I wouldn't mind a small wager that they wont. I partially agree with you and have said similar elsewhere In the past few days.

Because elections were 5 years ago and UKIP have only recently come to the fore, all they have done so far Is make speeches and talk. The EU elections tend to give a good Indication of how a General will go but UKIP don't have very long to make an Impression by actions until we go to the Polls again. Don't forget that all exiting MEP's are still In office and being paid for another 6 months before the new can take over. That gives them just 6 months to prove their worth.

Meanwhile, lessons have been learned and Labour and the Tory's could come up with a half decent campaign over the year. Problem Is, the country knows both, historically go back on pre-election pledges... will they fall for It again?

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Absolutely disgusting !!!!!

Labour Mile End councillor Rachael Saunders told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "There is a real worry from a lot of people that the police committed there would only be two people per party allowed to be outside the polling stations.

"But in fact there were huge crowds at some, shouting at people or encouraging them to vote in a particular way."

She added that presiding officers should have ensured leaflets were removed from booths but failed to do so.

'Out-of-hours' count

Leader of the Conservative group Peter Golds said: "They were picking on certain residents and going up to them trying to persuade them to vote right up to the moment they entered the room to vote."

'Threats and Chaos' At Tower Hamlets Vote Count, Reports Witness

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Cameron might have his own Falklands, or Labour their very own Jeremy Thorpe.......................I am sure those parties will be digging into UKIP's rank and file for something, anything.
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Bruv;1455592 wrote: Cameron might have his own Falklands, or Labour their very own Jeremy Thorpe.......................I am sure those parties will be digging into UKIP's rank and file for something, anything.
They will... there's a few Hamilton's In there and an Archer. I recognise a few names as ex BNP.... In the next year until the General with the success of UKIP, I predict the smear campaigns will get worse. They'll dig deep..... But I will predict 10 seats to UKIP In the General... want to bet hard cash ?
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Doubt they'll have to dig too deep, many are renegades or cast offs and rejects from the big boys.
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Bruv;1455597 wrote: Doubt they'll have to dig too deep, many are renegades or cast offs and rejects from the big boys. I knew the media have been carrying out smear campaigns on Far Right but this takes the biscuit.

If you read my response to gmc you'll see a few pages back I said one of Griffin's losses was Jim Dowsen.

Just found this on the net written two days ago and the story Is SHOCK HORROR JIM DOWSEN UNMASKED AS BRITAIN FIRST NUMBER ONE

Errrrr I knew that 3 years ago when he Invited me to meet him In Wooton Bassett, Which I did... have the pics to prove It.

Now this Is headline news ???

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Anyway,,, the Libel In this article Is unbelievable !!!

Exposed: Scottish BNP No2 unmasked as man behind Britain First Defence Force's sickening attack on mosques - Daily Record

Attack on Mosques ???? He offered Bibles FFS
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So, they are reporting in Australia that the extreme to far right have won elections in the euro elections thingy ......is that right?
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fuzzywuzzy;1455616 wrote: So, they are reporting in Australia that the extreme to far right have won elections in the euro elections thingy ......is that right?


Yes, Far Right UKIP won In the UK
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OH dear ...well there goes the TPP
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fuzzywuzzy;1455621 wrote: OH dear ...well there goes the TPP
TPP?

They are not as far right as the French far right.......by a long way
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Bruv;1455622 wrote: TPP?

They are not as far right as the French far right.......by a long way Proposing to shoot poofters and abort Downs Syndrome babies ??? How much worse can they be?
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That is not their policy document, thats just a nutter......they will weed him out soon
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Bruv;1455627 wrote: That is not their policy document, thats just a nutter......they will weed him out soon And you think should they get Into power, those nutters will be history?
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Bloody hell doesn't anyone know about he TPP? Christ almighty!!!1 it involves all of you guys too. You're elections will be the least of your worries very soon
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Abbott's government has confirmed they're getting ready to crack down on internet freedom to comply with the TPP -- including a "three strikes" provision that forces ISPs to monitor and police our activity online.

Tony Abbott's trade minister is about to sign a secret, global pact to allow corporations to sue the Australian government for billions -- just for passing laws to protect our health or the environment.

Tony Abbott wants us to believe the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is all about getting a better deal for ordinary Australians. But the truth is that it could end up being one of the biggest corporate power grabs in a generation.

Abbott and his cronies are refusing to make the deal public (although corporate lobbyists seem to be getting the inside track) -- making it hard to know just what's in the TPP. But leaks so far indicate this is bad news. That’s why Tony Abbott wants it to stay confidential -- he’d prefer to quietly sign away our rights without a big fuss.

This deal is too important to leave to the politicians: it could affect the lives of Australians for generations to come.

Can you tell Tony Abbott not to sign away our democratic rights and reject the TPP?

The TPP is being negotiated by 12 countries from around the Pacific. They’re discussing everything from restricting internet freedoms to weakening environmental protections. But that’s not the worst of it. One of the key bits of the deal is a system that will allow the world’s biggest companies to overturn our democratically decided laws.

Tony Abbott hasn’t exactly shown himself to be a pro at foreign affairs. We’ve seen him time and time again make mistakes on the international stage. Can we be sure to trust Tony Abbott to negotiate the best deal for the Australian people, especially while he refuses to be open about what he’s actually doing?








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Oscar Sellotape;1455632 wrote: And you think should they get Into power, those nutters will be history?


First....... they will never get in power, but they will throw the nutters out in the hope they might.
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Bruv;1455638 wrote: First....... they will never get in power, but they will throw the nutters out in the hope they might. If Farage has got any sense and his eye on Number 10, he'll have to have a cull... as I said before... the smear campaigns will get dirtier during the year and they'll dig deep. Now they have winning candidates, they'll go through every waking moment of their lives.
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fuzzywuzzy;1455636 wrote: Bloody hell doesn't anyone know about he TPP? Christ almighty!!!1 it involves all of you guys too. You're elections will be the least of your worries very soon


Yup. It's on the radar, here. But they keep throwing the Tea Party and Obama up as a smoke screen in the news, hoping everyone will miss the thing.

http://www.exposethetpp.org/

http://www.citizen.org/TPP
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So as to not take over this thread I made another :)
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fuzzywuzzy;1455646 wrote: So as to not take over this thread I made another :) What with Bruv still smarting from a Far Right victory and me gloating ?

Not a chance

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Oscar Sellotape;1455650 wrote: What with Bruv still smarting from a Far Right victory and me gloating ?

Not a chance

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If I may say......the UK is further to the left today......than it was last week..........trust me, whatever the election result.
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Your vote is controlled by money and the media. It doesn't matter what the majority thinks.

What's the saying "If voting changed things, they wouldn't let you do it"

Just another illusion
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Bruv;1455657 wrote: If I may say......the UK is further to the left today......than it was last week..........trust me, whatever the election result.


We're talking gains and losses big boy...
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Oscar Sellotape;1455666 wrote: We're talking gains and losses big boy...


You have seen my belly recently?
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Bruv;1455674 wrote: You have seen my belly recently? Remember what I said... little every day... you know It makes sense Rodney.

Digressing, you know Nick Is absolutely furious?
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fuzzywuzzy;1455664 wrote: Your vote is controlled by money and the media. It doesn't matter what the majority thinks.

What's the saying "If voting changed things, they wouldn't let you do it"

Just another illusion


Your vote is not controlled. They can control your choices, if you (the collective voter) allow them to do so.

The best example I know of is the US primaries. They manage to weed out anyone who actually seems to know anything before the primary season is halfway through.
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LarsMac;1455677 wrote: Your vote is not controlled. They can control your choices, if you (the collective voter) allow them to do so.

The best example I know of is the US primaries. They manage to weed out anyone who actually seems to know anything before the primary season is halfway through.


I know our systems are different, but please expand on that for us.
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