I've been following this and frankly it's pretty hilarious watching the reporters and spin doctors run around like house cats on crack trying to find out just where this guy is. I guess now that he is in Moscow, at Sheremetyevo airport in the transit section. No doubt bored to death on top of it. I've spent enough time there myself and between the robbers at the bars and duty free shops there's not much entertainment.
I wonder where he'll go next. I suspect the Russians may give him asylum or would if he asks. I do know that if he gets caught by the US or any of our lackies he is going straight to prison without a trial and when he gets one of those (if ever) it won't be a fair one.
Putin on Snowden: No extradition, accusations against Russia 'nonsense & rubbish' (FULL VIDEO) - YouTube
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Very interesting and thoughtful interview about this whole mess from RT.
Ex-CIA Chief: Snowden neither hero, nor traitor but very troubled young man - YouTube
Ex-CIA Chief: Snowden neither hero, nor traitor but very troubled young man - YouTube
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This excuse for an American male is currently skulking in the airport terminal in Moscow.
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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Hero or villain? Be interesting to see what would happen if he was given a jury trial.
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Ecuador Isn't he ?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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What has Princess Margaret's ex done now ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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They're still saying he's in the transit zone of Shremetevo airport. Watching Russian news I get an impression that that is where Russian officials want him to stay, if he is in fact there. It is not verified in any way though. Equadors ambassador to Russia visited the airport some days ago but gave no reason why. They may be holding him in seclusion for whatever reason. Strange.
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I wonder if he's in a state of anxiety at this point or if he's feeling calm & confident.
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Cuba should take him & then hand him over with the condition we end our stupid embargoes & restrictions. If I were AnneCastro that's what I would do.
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I guess he's officially requesting asylum in Russia and has been at the airport all along. I think this is an excellent opportunity for Russia to fling poo in the political arena with the US. Just what they stand to gain I don't know exactly.
Snowden asks Russia for asylum - YouTube
Snowden asks Russia for asylum - YouTube
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What would you like to see happen?
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I'd like to see many more people like him take action. Right now people like him and Assange (the whistleblowers) are what we need most. He's not a traitor, he's a patriot. I'd like to see him working to bust this cycle of fear and intimidation that has people so scared.
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I really can't understand what people are so damn afraid of, scared, these days. I can guess it has something to do with the internet, but that would be just a guess.
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Edward Snowden is a false flag (7/5/2013)
My conclusion based on the following facts.
1. Time line. It’s the development of the recent events, all related to the core plot- elimination of Kat Sung.
(1) The final stage of Boston bombing. It is marked by the killing of Toadshev in late May and the retirement announcement of the Boston FBI Chief in early June.
(2) On 6/7, an unusual private meeting between Obama and Xi (Chinese President) was arranged suddenly in California. Payment of the secret deal apparantly was an issue.
(3) On 6/14, “Former US National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden revealed to Hong Kong’s English-language newspaper, the South China Morning Post, on Wednesday that Washington has hacked into hundreds of civilian targets in Hong Kong and mainland China.” Edward Snowden reveals US computer hacking aimed at China - World Socialist Web Site
2. Obviously, Snowden’s revelation is the result of that private summit. It is part of payment of a secret deal between the secret police of US and China.
US recently “has repeatedly accused Beijing of perpetrating cyber-warfare, while China has continuously denied the accusations.
The latest round in this blame game saw the US Defense Science Board publish a report saying that nearly 40 Pentagon weapons programs and almost 30 other defense technologies were compromised by Chinese hackers, some allegedly tied to the military or government. (Cyber ceasefire? US and China square off over Internet espionage claims — RT News)
It’s not a coincidence that Snowden chose Hong Kong as the place for his revelation. That’s a payment to China. His revelation largely releases the pressure on China.
3. It is a payment to Chinese secret police for their collaboration in Boston bombing. In which they confirmed one of the death was a Chinese student. They also joined a carjacking set up to trap Tsarnaev brothers. (mysterious Danny). Also for a big operation to create a bird flu which estimated 6.5 billion in cost. (see “774. China and bird flu (6/5/2013)”)
4. No information important has Snowden leaked to public because his job is just to release the “cyber spying” pressure from China. What he said is to prove US does same thing that China does. Government spying on people and foreign countries. That’s common sense. Americans know echelon, Patriot Act since 911. Civil rights has been damaged already. So what for Prism.
5. News said Snowden is helped by Wikeleaks in his travel plan and finance. It proves true what I alleged two years ago that Assange was a false flag. The master played behind them is the same organization. (see “655. Bin Laden and Julian Assange, False flag and living plant (12/7/2010)”)
My conclusion based on the following facts.
1. Time line. It’s the development of the recent events, all related to the core plot- elimination of Kat Sung.
(1) The final stage of Boston bombing. It is marked by the killing of Toadshev in late May and the retirement announcement of the Boston FBI Chief in early June.
(2) On 6/7, an unusual private meeting between Obama and Xi (Chinese President) was arranged suddenly in California. Payment of the secret deal apparantly was an issue.
(3) On 6/14, “Former US National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden revealed to Hong Kong’s English-language newspaper, the South China Morning Post, on Wednesday that Washington has hacked into hundreds of civilian targets in Hong Kong and mainland China.” Edward Snowden reveals US computer hacking aimed at China - World Socialist Web Site
2. Obviously, Snowden’s revelation is the result of that private summit. It is part of payment of a secret deal between the secret police of US and China.
US recently “has repeatedly accused Beijing of perpetrating cyber-warfare, while China has continuously denied the accusations.
The latest round in this blame game saw the US Defense Science Board publish a report saying that nearly 40 Pentagon weapons programs and almost 30 other defense technologies were compromised by Chinese hackers, some allegedly tied to the military or government. (Cyber ceasefire? US and China square off over Internet espionage claims — RT News)
It’s not a coincidence that Snowden chose Hong Kong as the place for his revelation. That’s a payment to China. His revelation largely releases the pressure on China.
3. It is a payment to Chinese secret police for their collaboration in Boston bombing. In which they confirmed one of the death was a Chinese student. They also joined a carjacking set up to trap Tsarnaev brothers. (mysterious Danny). Also for a big operation to create a bird flu which estimated 6.5 billion in cost. (see “774. China and bird flu (6/5/2013)”)
4. No information important has Snowden leaked to public because his job is just to release the “cyber spying” pressure from China. What he said is to prove US does same thing that China does. Government spying on people and foreign countries. That’s common sense. Americans know echelon, Patriot Act since 911. Civil rights has been damaged already. So what for Prism.
5. News said Snowden is helped by Wikeleaks in his travel plan and finance. It proves true what I alleged two years ago that Assange was a false flag. The master played behind them is the same organization. (see “655. Bin Laden and Julian Assange, False flag and living plant (12/7/2010)”)
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This silly insignificant earthling has had his five minutes of fame and now finds himself stateless so to speak.
So he is now flirting with/threatening to travel to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, an oil rich Latin American country which would most likely have executed him had he blown his whistle there ... they deserve each other.
So he is now flirting with/threatening to travel to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, an oil rich Latin American country which would most likely have executed him had he blown his whistle there ... they deserve each other.
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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Well I guess Russia is going to give him asylum, with conditions. No messing with the US being one. He'll probably end up staying as he's required to get a job apparently. Russia has good reason to let him stay, considering the US allows terrorists who've done god knows what to live in mansions in Boston.
Terrorist-friendly? US denies Russian requests to extradite criminals amid Snowden row - YouTube
Terrorist-friendly? US denies Russian requests to extradite criminals amid Snowden row - YouTube
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I really can't understand what people are so damn afraid of, scared, these days. I can guess it has something to do with the internet, but that would be just a guess.
Frog in a pot?
My fears come from 3 things.
1. A saying. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
2. I'm 48 years old. I've traveled extensively in my time, to almost every continent and have seen different societies in detail. From what I know of the world and my own country Americans are being bullshitted and are too stupid to know it.
3. I read George Orwells 1984 about 5 times and what I see in America has many similarities with it.
Frog in a pot?
My fears come from 3 things.
1. A saying. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
2. I'm 48 years old. I've traveled extensively in my time, to almost every continent and have seen different societies in detail. From what I know of the world and my own country Americans are being bullshitted and are too stupid to know it.
3. I read George Orwells 1984 about 5 times and what I see in America has many similarities with it.
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Well of course we are Orwellian, Scrat. Duh. Everybody knows it....we just don't care for the most part.
The day the patriot act was passed I knew it would be this way. Actually, the second I saw the World Trade Centers collapse I knew the world, and especially America, as I had known it had ceased to exist.
But then, I knew the same thing when Vietnam ended and I saw them pushing helicopters into the sea. I knew things would be different the day I had to hide under my desk as the air raid sirens screamed overhead in the Cold War, when I saw Neil Armstrong step down on the surface of the moon interrupting my Saturday morning cartoons, and when I saw my first macintosh computer running a GUI interface. I knew the world had changed when I saw Baghdad fall and the day that I first accessed the internet.
Things change all the time. Pfft.
Snowden wrongly assumed that we would all thank him for rubbing our noses in the exact changes our world has gone through. What an idiot. That's like assuming we'd all like to be reminded of a time when we lost a true love we knew we could never get back. People would rather go forward in ignorance. It's less painful.
Worst of, Snowden increased the danger for everyone in our country, exposed innocent people to threats, and gave our secrets and tactics to our enemies.
What do we have CIA hit squads on the payroll for anyway?
He's a traitor, by definition, and I want to see him treated as such.
The day the patriot act was passed I knew it would be this way. Actually, the second I saw the World Trade Centers collapse I knew the world, and especially America, as I had known it had ceased to exist.
But then, I knew the same thing when Vietnam ended and I saw them pushing helicopters into the sea. I knew things would be different the day I had to hide under my desk as the air raid sirens screamed overhead in the Cold War, when I saw Neil Armstrong step down on the surface of the moon interrupting my Saturday morning cartoons, and when I saw my first macintosh computer running a GUI interface. I knew the world had changed when I saw Baghdad fall and the day that I first accessed the internet.
Things change all the time. Pfft.
Snowden wrongly assumed that we would all thank him for rubbing our noses in the exact changes our world has gone through. What an idiot. That's like assuming we'd all like to be reminded of a time when we lost a true love we knew we could never get back. People would rather go forward in ignorance. It's less painful.
Worst of, Snowden increased the danger for everyone in our country, exposed innocent people to threats, and gave our secrets and tactics to our enemies.
What do we have CIA hit squads on the payroll for anyway?
He's a traitor, by definition, and I want to see him treated as such.
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Can't agree. He's done us all a favor even if your average American couldn't care less, we deserve what we bring upon ourselves. The major problem now seems to be the rest of the world with which America is rapidly losing any credibility with. We're forced to resort to intimidation and bullying in a pathetic hope we may be listened too. Yeah, a lot of things have changed in the last 30 years one of which is the world has gotten a hell of a lot smaller. We have the internet, information is dispensed and consumed at a rate never before seen. People all over the world appear to be waking up to what America truly is, the bully on the play ground or the thug on the street corner.
This arises because of our failures. Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq even our monetary system, you name it its all largely perceived as a failure in the eyes of the world at large. A long series of inept failures. When an entity has to resort to threats and intimidation in a situation that entities days are numbered. It's a physical law as definite and telling as the law of gravity.
Anyway Russian and US diplomats are trying to find common ground. I think that ultimately Russia isn't going to give him back. Russia isn't afraid of the US as it thrashes around in its impotent frustration. Eric Holder wrote a letter saying he would not face the death penalty. Russians aren't stupid, any thing said by any American politician has as much value as a fart in the wind.
Snowden Ping Pong: Edward still in transit limbo, as US spouts new threats - YouTube
What's really scary is the intimidation of the American media, completely useless now.
This arises because of our failures. Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq even our monetary system, you name it its all largely perceived as a failure in the eyes of the world at large. A long series of inept failures. When an entity has to resort to threats and intimidation in a situation that entities days are numbered. It's a physical law as definite and telling as the law of gravity.
Anyway Russian and US diplomats are trying to find common ground. I think that ultimately Russia isn't going to give him back. Russia isn't afraid of the US as it thrashes around in its impotent frustration. Eric Holder wrote a letter saying he would not face the death penalty. Russians aren't stupid, any thing said by any American politician has as much value as a fart in the wind.
Snowden Ping Pong: Edward still in transit limbo, as US spouts new threats - YouTube
What's really scary is the intimidation of the American media, completely useless now.
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Well he now has asylum for one year in Russia. It's official.
A good opinion piece. Funny.
“Lawless State”: America Discredited | Global Research
A good opinion piece. Funny.
“Lawless State”: America Discredited | Global Research
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Snowden can't be sane. Maybe that can be said about all of us. Russia--a country where, if he committed the same acts, would have killed him by now. Hypocrisy, thy name is Snowden.
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AnneBoleyn;1433047 wrote: Snowden can't be sane. Maybe that can be said about all of us. Russia--a country where, if he committed the same acts, would have killed him by now. Hypocrisy, thy name is Snowden.
You took the words right out my mouth Annie!
You took the words right out my mouth Annie!
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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Snowden can't be sane. Maybe that can be said about all of us.
Considering who he crossed that could well be said. I sometimes wonder if an individual that would serve the American government in the military is either naive, desperate or insane myself. Some people go to extremes, some people are born killers and some become life long vegans. He's just at one end of a wide spectrum of states of mind you will find among us all.
I think he has the moral convictions of a "hero" according to my definition of the concept. He chose to stand up when he saw something he knew was wrong. Insane? I think that blind patriots and people that think the government can do no wrong are the insane.
During Soviet times he would have been shot, now it would most likely be a sentence of life in prison, he could just quietly be offed too. An unknown. He will probably spend the rest of his life there in Russia. With his skill set he will be able to get a good job and Russia sure as hell isn't going to give him back anytime soon.
Considering who he crossed that could well be said. I sometimes wonder if an individual that would serve the American government in the military is either naive, desperate or insane myself. Some people go to extremes, some people are born killers and some become life long vegans. He's just at one end of a wide spectrum of states of mind you will find among us all.
I think he has the moral convictions of a "hero" according to my definition of the concept. He chose to stand up when he saw something he knew was wrong. Insane? I think that blind patriots and people that think the government can do no wrong are the insane.
During Soviet times he would have been shot, now it would most likely be a sentence of life in prison, he could just quietly be offed too. An unknown. He will probably spend the rest of his life there in Russia. With his skill set he will be able to get a good job and Russia sure as hell isn't going to give him back anytime soon.
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The founder of the V Kontakte network, Pavel Durov, has made a bid for Edward Snowden to work with him since he is free on asylum, according to a statement on the Wikileaks website.
V Kontakte is known as Russia's Facebook.
His job is to make President Vladimir Putin his personal (V Kontakte) page as secure as possible. (And of course the rest of the 210 million registered users.)
This thank you from Snowden has possibilities for the counter-tech division. Planting some 2023-software into a cold enemy state, and the info-war is red hot.
They say the military and space division departments have a ten-year advantage on consumer electronics. So what did a hard drive in 2003?
And the whereabouts of Mr. Snowden?
If it's a covert operation, everywhere, except Paraguay, that's Bush country!
The founder of the V Kontakte network, Pavel Durov, has made a bid for Edward Snowden to work with him since he is free on asylum, according to a statement on the Wikileaks website.
V Kontakte is known as Russia's Facebook.
His job is to make President Vladimir Putin his personal (V Kontakte) page as secure as possible. (And of course the rest of the 210 million registered users.)
This thank you from Snowden has possibilities for the counter-tech division. Planting some 2023-software into a cold enemy state, and the info-war is red hot.
They say the military and space division departments have a ten-year advantage on consumer electronics. So what did a hard drive in 2003?
And the whereabouts of Mr. Snowden?
If it's a covert operation, everywhere, except Paraguay, that's Bush country!