Enough of this BS

Ferret_annica · Post by **Ferret_annica** » Sun May 09, 2010 6:57 pm

K.Snyder;1309004 wrote: And depending on the school your kid could very well end up in the hospital with a knife in his/her kidney. Is it honestly worth it? You said it yourself,.."immoral war"... War is either immoral or moral so by opposing one side you retain the other. You were for the Northern Vietnamese the day you refused to support American troops in the Vietnam war just the same as you support Americans in waging a flag waving war against Mexicans, Iraqis, French, British, Canadiens, etc... etc...

My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally

I studied the long term war that became our war essentially when Lyndon Johnson sent troops after the false flag op known as the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

The South Vietnamese Government was largely made up of people who had exploited the colonial power, France that pulled out after the debacle at Dien Bien Phu. Many were Buddhists. The North, primarily Roman Catholic were loyal to Hồ ChÃ Minh.

He had been educated in France, and had been involved in trying to liberate his country since 1941 when he returned to his country and battled the Japanese and Vichy French.

Basically, he and other Vietnamese were hung out to dry when instead of promised independence, the consensus was to allow France to resume colonial control of Vietnam, as we wanted them in NATO at the start of the Cold War.

We were foolish to send in troops and to create a situation in the South where the people in the countryside gravitated to supporting the Viet Cong and North Vietnam.

All we did by getting involved was to cost the American taxpayer a great deal of precious lives and tax money. It was a foolish venture.

So you can infer I am interested in supporting a communist regime if you wish, but I know how long that war had actually gone on, and who the players over the centuries of it had been and why they were there.

I might add too, that I am a nine year U.S. Army veteran, and was in SOCOM, and know low intensity conflict, asymmetrical conflict, and how it differs from mid and high intensity conflict.

I got out after seeing how criminal George HW Bush's government was for taking part in operations concerning Panama and Gulf War One.

I support the prosecution and conviction of his son, and his co-conspirator Cheney, and view the Smirk and Snarl show as a fascist neocon show guilty of extreme criminality.

I am not happy with .S. Military actions around the world, and support Ron Paul's vision of getting away from the model of servicing an empire.

We need to pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other places. Wed also need to practice tough love and end financial and military support for the Zionists and their Apartheid government in Israel. and act like we want out country to survive past the end of this century, and not become another failed empire, bankrupt and dead, cut into pieces much as happened to the USSR.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Sun May 09, 2010 8:23 pm

K.Snyder;1309038 wrote: Would you dress your male child in pink from head to toe? Do you not like the color pink?

It doesn't matter what country anyone is in, a true American doesn't feel the need to flaunt red, white and blue, which are colors of many other nations I might add, because if red, white and blue was perfect there would never be a need to wear it as if to make up for the lackluster of innate knowledge.

Colors were/are worn to let it be known to each of their armies. It's war that's to blame for the prevalence of flags and it's war "you" people will get so long as "you" choose to wave them. Go ahead and wave them if it makes "you" want to fight, just don't come crawling back to me weeping when it doesn't go "your" damn way

I'm sorry, but 'you' make no sense to me, as usual. From everything I've read on this issue, there was no flaunting of the American flag. The same cannot be said of the Mexican flag that day. Big time double standards as usual.

Guess what? That's not okay with this average American anymore. And I'm not gonna pretend it is. If I accept that we are all equal as Americans, that means you aren't more entitled then me to any right out there. And that damn sure includes telling my child how to dress to please your child. They are all under the same guidelines, so far as I'm concerned. And if it upsets your child enough to pull a knife - throw that kids ass in jail and see if they like those colors.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon May 10, 2010 4:40 am

flopstock;1309056 wrote: you aren't more entitled then me to any right out there.

He may not be but I am. Just deal with it.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:21 am

K.Snyder;1308745 wrote: Not at all

Why? So an American was on business and that American happened to enjoy celebrating on the 4th of July that American should be forced to keep quiet? Your premise is ethically wrong. It's horribly ignorant and takes a complete bigot to respond, in an unusual manner as stated earlier, to an action with one that is blatantly aimed at belittling another all due to the fact those individuals cannot resolve their own personal issues. They create issues just by simply being themselves and they disgust me

I can guarantee you, YZGI, that this incident was innately inspired by hatred derived from ignorance

Now what?
You made me laugh outloud with this one K.:-2

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:47 am

yaaarrrgg;1308701 wrote: Possibly. Are they just waving their middle finger at another group, trying to start a fight? I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent.
I just love the liberal way...........

" I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent."

So you know the intent do you?

Wow swami.............. will green pass my palms in the future?:driving:

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:55 am

K.Snyder;1308737 wrote: Those people have to deal with a corrupt government and if you were Mexican you'd try and come to America to gain a better future.

Your family came from across the globe to enter America only you gained a free ride and you feel this is "justification" to call everyone else inferior. It's horrid logic and why it is so is because you have the empathy of a mosquito.
Yippers my forefathers came to America and helped blaze new frontiers. They gave back ten fold. They did it legally. If you feel like you have been given a "free Ride"..... that is your guilt not mine. I am proud of my forefathers and their contributions and sad for your guilt.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:59 am

Amythest;1308752 wrote: Since the subject is BS...ENOUGH of this type of Thuggish Fascism TOO!.

Nobody is safe.

It could be YOU next!

Geez. USA "leadershyte" is totally NUTS! Sick, psycho nuts over money, world domination, and mass slavery. Scare tactics and harrassment abound. :-5

Hoppy.Support your troops? The ones that guard the OPIUM FIELDS!!! Help your gov ship in opium ( that means getting a huge chunk of the black market money) so they can fill up the privately owned jails in the USA?...Right. They have no choice. Better they control the opium trade than let the "Taliban" have control. And there's all that "legal pharm pushing " too! ( pain Meds) It's always "them" right?!. BS!

( yea it's me too:yh_rotfl)

U just don't get it at all dude. Maybe it's yer "diet" ( what you eat, drink and the news you read) or somethin':rolleyes:

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

Militarized SWAT Drug Raids on the Rise

Ye. Yer cunnery is somethin' to be proud of lately.:sneaky: False patriotism indeed!

You forgot that stupid chimp of a President Bush and how he was so dumb on one hand, but smart enough to plan the WTC attack Sept. 11 2001.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:02 am

K.Snyder;1308838 wrote: Do you realize this isn't about Mexico or the U.S. and has everything to do with minimizing the risk of possible physical aggression? The twats were instigating a response that favored hatred derived from pure and utter ignorance. What's so tantalizingly confusing about that?

:wah:

:wah::yh_rotfl

:yh_rotfl

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:07 am

K.Snyder;1308849 wrote: The difference, hoppy, is that everyone expects us to wear American colors on the 4th of July because that's one of the only times we do. When one changes their normal behavior they define that behavior as abnormal I know we're to agree on that. We also expect people to wear Mexican colors on Cinco de Mayo therefore it can easily be concluded that those kids were attempting to instigate some form of violence it's that simple. They acted abnormally to not only their everyday life but the significant majority of the U.S.

They weren't sent home, hoppy, because they wore American colors. They were sent home because they were being instigating twats

"Teens Sent Home for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts" is a damn business modo that you bought into that enabled that newspaper to gain more wealth. I refuse to participate in such triviality.

Sheesh I am wearing a "KISS me I'm Irish" shirt today.

On St Paddys day I wore my "Support our troops" tee with an American flag on back....

Call me an instigating twat.................

I dare ya!!!:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:11 am

K.Snyder;1308950 wrote: That's all very well indeed but when that freedom of speech turns into physical violence it's to be quelled when possible.

Why everyone is pleased to believe everything they read is still a position I'm very much confused about.

Perhaps one of you can "enlighten" me

Enlighten me as to this supposed "physical violence" you keep harping on.....

When did the boys that wore these tees get physical?

I missed that part....

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:15 am

K.Snyder;1309004 wrote: And depending on the school your kid could very well end up in the hospital with a knife in his/her kidney. Is it honestly worth it? You said it yourself,.."immoral war"... War is either immoral or moral so by opposing one side you retain the other. You were for the Northern Vietnamese the day you refused to support American troops in the Vietnam war just the same as you support Americans in waging a flag waving war against Mexicans, Iraqis, French, British, Canadiens, etc... etc...

My question is why you refuse to see the possible escalation of unnecessary physical violence no matter which side one chooses to attain. You've chosen a side where no side would be present had you, among others, chose not to participate in such a war. I refuse to myself personally

So wearing a flag tee will get you in the hospital by your way of thinking?

What has this country become???

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. They put it ALL on the line just for a mambie pambie to lay down and play dead.........

How sad

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:18 am

BTS;1309113 wrote: I just love the liberal way...........

" I think the important thing isn't the symbol but intent."

So you know the intent do you?

Wow swami.............. will green pass my palms in the future?:driving:

No, unfortunately if you are in New Mexico the whole South will turn into a giant impoverished sh!thole. And not because of the Mexicans, but the Southerners. They manage to screw everything up. Enjoy your white majority while it lasts...

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:25 am

yaaarrrgg;1309123 wrote: No, unfortunately if you are in New Mexico the whole South will turn into a giant impoverished sh!thole. And not because of the Mexicans, but the Southerners. They manage to screw everything up. Enjoy your white majority while it lasts...

Besides being racist against southerners............... OH SWAMI

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When will I see that green in my palms?:D

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:40 am

BTS;1309124 wrote: Besides being racist against southerners............... OH SWAMI

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When will I see that green in my palms?:D

I don't think being a Southerner is a racial thing, unless years of inbreeding, slave owning and mild winters did not sufficiently allow natural selection to work properly. It could be environmental too ...

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:44 am

BTS;1309116 wrote: You forgot that stupid chimp of a President Bush and how he was so dumb on one hand, but smart enough to plan the WTC attack Sept. 11 2001.

And you have proof?:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon May 10, 2010 9:56 am

K.Snyder;1309038 wrote: Would you dress your male child in pink from head to toe? Do you not like the color pink?

It doesn't matter what country anyone is in, a true American doesn't feel the need to flaunt red, white and blue, which are colors of many other nations I might add, because if red, white and blue was perfect there would never be a need to wear it as if to make up for the lackluster of innate knowledge.

For such a true American with unlimited innate knowledge, morality, compassion etc. etc. You can sure be condescending. You must wear a really big hat.

Colors were/are worn to let it be known to each of their armies. It's war that's to blame for the prevalence of flags and it's war "you" people will get so long as "you" choose to wave them. Go ahead and wave them if it makes "you" want to fight, just don't come crawling back to me weeping when it doesn't go "your" damn way

Okay, so which are actually inciting violence those displaying their flags on their soil or those displaying their flags on foreign soil?

Come back crawling to you? Wow. Hat just got bigger.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:42 am

hoppy;1309130 wrote: And you have proof?:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Golly gee Hop.........Didn't you know there is proof everywhere..........:wah:

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:47 am

BTS;1309145 wrote: Golly gee Hop.........Didn't you know there is proof everywhere..........:wah:

Gee bts, only if your one of them conspiracy nutrolls.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:49 am

yaaarrrgg;1309128 wrote: I don't think being a Southerner is a racial thing, unless years of inbreeding, slave owning and mild winters did not sufficiently allow natural selection to work properly. It could be environmental too ...

I stand corrected...........You match this Muy Mejor...

You are prejudice Mi Amigo

A prejudice is a prejudgment: i.e. a preconceived belief, opinion, or judgment made without ascertaining the facts of a case. The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgment toward a people or a person because of race, social class, gender, ethnicity, age, disability, political beliefs, religion, sexual orientation or other personal characteristics. It also means a priori beliefs (without knowledge of the facts) and includes "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence."[1] Although positive and negative prejudice both exist, when used negatively, "prejudice" implies fear and antipathy toward such a race.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:52 am

hoppy;1309147 wrote:

Gee bts, only if your one of them conspiracy nutrolls.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
;)I hope you see my satire here Hop!!!;)

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:27 am

K.Snyder;1308742 wrote: No one's punishing "ANYONE" Saint, some are just civil that's all

The kid was suspended for the day and sent home. That's a punishment.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:26 pm

Ferret_annica;1309044 wrote: I studied the long term war that became our war essentially when Lyndon Johnson sent troops after the false flag op known as the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

The South Vietnamese Government was largely made up of people who had exploited the colonial power, France that pulled out after the debacle at Dien Bien Phu. Many were Buddhists. The North, primarily Roman Catholic were loyal to Hồ ChÃ Minh.

He had been educated in France, and had been involved in trying to liberate his country since 1941 when he returned to his country and battled the Japanese and Vichy French.

Basically, he and other Vietnamese were hung out to dry when instead of promised independence, the consensus was to allow France to resume colonial control of Vietnam, as we wanted them in NATO at the start of the Cold War.

We were foolish to send in troops and to create a situation in the South where the people in the countryside gravitated to supporting the Viet Cong and North Vietnam.

All we did by getting involved was to cost the American taxpayer a great deal of precious lives and tax money. It was a foolish venture.

So you can infer I am interested in supporting a communist regime if you wish, but I know how long that war had actually gone on, and who the players over the centuries of it had been and why they were there.

I might add too, that I am a nine year U.S. Army veteran, and was in SOCOM, and know low intensity conflict, asymmetrical conflict, and how it differs from mid and high intensity conflict.

I got out after seeing how criminal George HW Bush's government was for taking part in operations concerning Panama and Gulf War One.

I support the prosecution and conviction of his son, and his co-conspirator Cheney, and view the Smirk and Snarl show as a fascist neocon show guilty of extreme criminality.

I am not happy with .S. Military actions around the world, and support Ron Paul's vision of getting away from the model of servicing an empire.

We need to pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other places. Wed also need to practice tough love and end financial and military support for the Zionists and their Apartheid government in Israel. and act like we want out country to survive past the end of this century, and not become another failed empire, bankrupt and dead, cut into pieces much as happened to the USSR.Waving a flag will get you more of that you oppose unless instigated to defend yourself, it's that simple

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:29 pm

flopstock;1309056 wrote: I'm sorry, but 'you' make no sense to me, as usual. From everything I've read on this issue, there was no flaunting of the American flag. The same cannot be said of the Mexican flag that day. Big time double standards as usual.

Guess what? That's not okay with this average American anymore. And I'm not gonna pretend it is. If I accept that we are all equal as Americans, that means you aren't more entitled then me to any right out there. And that damn sure includes telling my child how to dress to please your child. They are all under the same guidelines, so far as I'm concerned. And if it upsets your child enough to pull a knife - throw that kids ass in jail and see if they like those colors.

Waving a flag during a state of peace insinuates the need for war. Flags were made to distinguish armies from each other. As for your particular response known of it really concerns me at all because we don't share the same definitions at all.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:31 pm

YZGI;1309112 wrote: You made me laugh outloud with this one K.:-2

"one" what? "one" quote, "one" word? What?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:32 pm

K.Snyder;1309266 wrote: Waving a flag during a state of peace insinuates the need for war. .

That's funny. Waving the American flag gives me a feeling of peace, happiness, and pride that I am part of the greatest nation to exist in history...

After all, I could have been born Iranian...

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:34 pm

BTS;1309114 wrote: Yippers my forefathers came to America and helped blaze new frontiers. They gave back ten fold. They did it legally. If you feel like you have been given a "free Ride"..... that is your guilt not mine. I am proud of my forefathers and their contributions and sad for your guilt.

By this logic you're stating, quite clearly, that anyone related to a legal U.S. citizen should automatically gain legal access.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:36 pm

BTS;1309121 wrote: Enlighten me as to this supposed "physical violence" you keep harping on.....

When did the boys that wore these tees get physical?

I missed that part....

My plan BTS, is to stop physical aggression before it begins. That's how murder is usually avoided

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:37 pm

BTS;1309122 wrote: So wearing a flag tee will get you in the hospital by your way of thinking?

What has this country become???

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. They put it ALL on the line just for a mambie pambie to lay down and play dead.........

How sad
Nah just to remain intellectual

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon May 10, 2010 7:46 pm

YZGI;1309132 wrote: Okay, so which are actually inciting violence those displaying their flags on their soil or those displaying their flags on foreign soil?

Come back crawling to you? Wow. Hat just got bigger.

If you could manage to understand what I'm saying then you'd have come to the conclusion that anyone waving a flag insinuates a lack of respect for all else.

Why the hell are "you" people so insecure "you" feel the need to wave a flag in order to make up for "your" courage?

Go ahead and walk down Baghdad waving an American flag and then suggest to me by simply doing so you hadn't sparked a physical reaction

Ferret_annica · Post by **Ferret_annica** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:44 pm

K.Snyder;1309265 wrote: Waving a flag will get you more of that you oppose unless instigated to defend yourself, it's that simple

To instigate means to start something. I'm afraid I don't follow your point. Would you clarify what you mean please? Thanks.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 11, 2010 6:55 am

K.Snyder;1309268 wrote: "one" what? "one" quote, "one" word? What?

One entire post. I'm sorry you couldn't manage to understand...

K.Snyder;1309292 wrote: If you could manage to understand what I'm saying then you'd have come to the conclusion that anyone waving a flag insinuates a lack of respect for all else.

Why the hell are "you" people so insecure "you" feel the need to wave a flag in order to make up for "your" courage?

Go ahead and walk down Baghdad waving an American flag and then suggest to me by simply doing so you hadn't sparked a physical reaction

And yet you seem to have no problem with Mexicans waving their flag on American soil. And honestly I don't either as long as I can wave the American flag without being suspended.

I do try to manage to understand your posts, maybe someday I will get to your level of intelligence.

ZAP · Post by **ZAP** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:19 am

Morgan Hill students sent home over clothing - San Jose Mercury News

This article states that the students (football players, according to my daughter) also had tennis shoes with a flag emblem on them. I wonder if the vice principal told them to remove their shoes too?

My oldest daughter and her family live in Morgan Hill, (which is about 15 mi. south of San Jose, not a suburb of San Francisco as reported on some news broadcasts) and works at a Montessori school close to Live Oak school. I asked her if she'd noticed any unusual activity going on since this incident, (I was concerened that there might be some gang violence.) She said there was a lot of news media in evidence, cameras, helicopters hovering and reporters interviewing some of the people in the supermarkets, etc., but other than that, nothing out of the ordinary. It doesn't sound like that if you listen to newscasters who are still talking about it.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:36 am

K.Snyder;1309278 wrote: My plan BTS, is to stop physical aggression before it begins. That's how murder is usually avoided

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

.....Benjamin Franklin

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:50 am

BTS;1309407 wrote: "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

.....Benjamin Franklin

:yh_hugs:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:58 am

I know that its seems like its not popular these days to display the symbol of our country, but the very fact that we can all debate this online here without fear of reprisal shows just how great our country is.

To me, the flag is, and always will be an awe-inspiring symbol. It is the symbol of a diverse people, united and engaged in one of the greatest political experiments of history, striving to tame a continent, then a world ... and eventually the stars themselves.

Who wouldn't be proud to be a part of that?;)

ZAP · Post by **ZAP** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:05 am

Saint_;1309414 wrote: I know that its seems like its not popular these days to display the symbol of our country, but the very fact that we can all debate this online here without fear of reprisal shows just how great our country is.

To me, the flag is, and always will be an awe-inspiring symbol. It is the symbol of a diverse people, united and engaged in one of the greatest political experiments of history, striving to tame a continent, then a world ... and eventually the stars themselves.

Who wouldn't be proud to be a part of that?;)

Hear, hear!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:08 am

YZGI;1308655 wrote: BS. First off, I think it would be rude for an American to celebrate the 4th of July in any other country. I can just about guarantee you that if Mexicans, Irish, British or any other country were to were a shirt of their flag on the 4th of July absolutely nothing would be done. And nothing should be done.
I have to beg to differ. I celebrate the 4th of July every year over here. It's fun, I invite all my mates who happen to be English, Scots, Welsh and Irish and we have a grand 'ol pi$$ up and barb-b-que. The American flag flies and we ALL sing star bangled banner. (at the top of our voices) They share their holidays with me, so why wouldnt I celebrate mine with them? Holidays are a way of getting together for a booze up and friendly banter to help us forget the problems we share as a common humanity. :-6

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:16 am

Raven;1309419 wrote: I have to beg to differ. I celebrate the 4th of July every year over here. It's fun, I invite all my mates who happen to be English, Scots, Welsh and Irish and we have a grand 'ol pi$$ up and barb-b-que. The American flag flies and we ALL sing star bangled banner. (at the top of our voices) They share their holidays with me, so why wouldnt I celebrate mine with them? Holidays are a way of getting together for a booze up and friendly banter to help us forget the problems we share as a common humanity. :-6
Fair enough, I didn't know how others would accept an American holiday on their soil. I think its great.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:26 am

YZGI;1309423 wrote: Fair enough, I didn't know how others would accept an American holiday on their soil. I think its great.
They would be more upset and hurt if I didnt invite them! They celebrate the day they got rid of a pain in the a$$ and I celebrate the invention of iced tea!:yh_rotfl The star spangled banner is a tune from an english pub song.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:36 am

Raven;1309430 wrote: They would be more upset and hurt if I didnt invite them! They celebrate the day they got rid of a pain in the a$$ and I celebrate the invention of iced tea!:yh_rotfl The star spangled banner is a tune from an english pub song.
I'd be hung for treason if I attempted to sing the Star Spangled Banner.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:42 am

YZGI;1309433 wrote: I'd be hung for treason if I attempted to sing the Star Spangled Banner.

:yh_rotfl It's that one high note isnt it!

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:43 am

Raven;1309437 wrote: :yh_rotfl It's that one high note isnt it!
Just think of Sam Elliot trying to sing it.

ZAP · Post by **ZAP** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:50 am

YZGI;1309439 wrote: Just think of Sam Elliot trying to sing it.

Since it was a drinking tune maybe a belt or two would help you belt it out!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:56 am

Zapata;1309441 wrote: Since it was a drinking tune maybe a belt or two would help you belt it out!
I love the national anthem. I think we have one of the coolest, frankly. :-4

ZAP · Post by **ZAP** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:59 am

Raven;1309443 wrote: I love the national anthem. I think we have one of the coolest, frankly. :-4

Star spangled banner [Song Collection]:Song Collection Brief Display: Performing Arts Encyclopedia, Library of Congress

I've been to Ft. McHenry. It's a moving experience for one who loves our flag.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:06 am

Raven;1309443 wrote: I love the national anthem. I think we have one of the coolest, frankly. :-4

It's sad to say but "God Save The Queen" is a dirge. It needs to be changed to some thing much more appropriate. Something a little more rousing

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:13 am

Snowfire;1309450 wrote: It's sad to say but "God Save The Queen" is a dirge. It needs to be changed to some thing much more appropriate. Something a little more rousing
But 'Rule Britannia' is brilliant! Frankly it's more associated with Britain than God save the Queen. Unless it's the sex pistols version! hehehe

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 11, 2010 6:58 pm

YZGI;1309368 wrote: One entire post. I'm sorry you couldn't manage to understand...

And yet you seem to have no problem with Mexicans waving their flag on American soil. And honestly I don't either as long as I can wave the American flag without being suspended.

I do try to manage to understand your posts, maybe someday I will get to your level of intelligence.

:yh_bigsmi

I've no use for flags atm.

I said before and I'll say it again, I expect to minimize the risk for possible physical aggression. Cinco de Mayo celebrates a victory over French forces. Wearing other country colors in response to that specifically is a damn insult, what's so pain staking confusing about that? Wear the American flag and it's colors, just try and do it without being an obnoxious schmuck is all I ask

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 11, 2010 7:11 pm

BTS;1309407 wrote: "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

.....Benjamin Franklin

That quote is in reference to war that gives credence to one's right to wave a flag, BTS. Your premise is of "essential liberty" serving to signify the waving of a flag and your conclusion is backwards, the premise comes first. The "logical" conclusion is what's supposed to follow

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue May 11, 2010 7:16 pm

Saint_;1309414 wrote: I know that its seems like its not popular these days to display the symbol of our country, but the very fact that we can all debate this online here without fear of reprisal shows just how great our country is.

To me, the flag is, and always will be an awe-inspiring symbol. It is the symbol of a diverse people, united and engaged in one of the greatest political experiments of history, striving to tame a continent, then a world ... and eventually the stars themselves.

Who wouldn't be proud to be a part of that?;) I'm still trying to figure out how this coincides with wearing the very same flag as a means to pi** on other people

Wear the flag, display it, kiss it...

Don't try and convince me people don't wear their countries flag and colors as a means to "sh*t" on those not as labeled. Yeah right these kids coincidentally wore, from head to toe(Reference shoes), in the American flag all the while living in an area known to have a significant Hispanic population on Cinco de Mayo...

Yeah, keep feeding