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RIO — A three-day-old infant was killed by a pit bull late Saturday night, Aug. 15, near the Hampshire and Hardy County line by Rio,WV according to police.

Hardy County Sheriff’s Deputy Melody Burrows said today that the infant was killed by a family pet as it lay on the bed.

The mother, whose name police have not released, was reportedly with infant when the attack occurred.

Deputy Burrows said the mother had apparently given her attention to German Shepherd-mixed dog that was also in the room, attempting to keep the dog away from the infant.

It was then, Deputy Burrows said, that the pit bull reportedly grabbed the baby by the head, drug it off the bed and shook it.

The mother and three-day-old had just been released from the hospital that day.
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hoppy;1231435 wrote: RIO — A three-day-old infant was killed by a pit bull late Saturday night, Aug. 15, near the Hampshire and Hardy County line by Rio,WV according to police.

Hardy County Sheriff’s Deputy Melody Burrows said today that the infant was killed by a family pet as it lay on the bed.

The mother, whose name police have not released, was reportedly with infant when the attack occurred.

Deputy Burrows said the mother had apparently given her attention to German Shepherd-mixed dog that was also in the room, attempting to keep the dog away from the infant.

It was then, Deputy Burrows said, that the pit bull reportedly grabbed the baby by the head, drug it off the bed and shook it.

The mother and three-day-old had just been released from the hospital that day.


omg.......how tragic........



people should know......never ever leave an infant with a pet.....



you must introduce a pet very slowly to a new baby,



how very sad.......
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I suppose they blamed the dog instead of the mother.

It is thought that infants and young kids make noises similar to prey and dying animals, thereby triggering a dog's natural prey drive and sometimes pack instinct if they're travelling in company. I keep saying there's a *reason* these attacks happen to kids most of the time and no one seems to get it. I've been around animals all my life and I've seen all the cutesy pictures of babies and toddlers curled up next to the family golden retriever and no way would I let my small kid do that. Kids are notorious for yanking on animals and getting in their space which in the animal's eyes often warrants action. Since this was a baby I am guessing it was either the prey thing or a jealousy deal.

It didn't have to happen either. The dog of course doesn't know any better but that mother sure did.
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RedGlitter;1231440 wrote: I suppose they blamed the dog instead of the mother.

It is thought that infants and young kids make noises similar to prey and dying animals, thereby triggering a dog's natural prey drive and sometimes pack instinct if they're travelling in company. I keep saying there's a *reason* these attacks happen to kids most of the time and no one seems to get it. I've been around animals all my life and I've seen all the cutesy pictures of babies and toddlers curled up next to the family golden retriever and no way would I let my small kid do that. Kids are notorious for yanking on animals and getting in their space which in the animal's eyes often warrants action. Since this was a baby I am guessing it was either the prey thing or a jealousy deal.

It didn't have to happen either. The dog of course doesn't know any better but that mother sure did.
I agree with you entirely here. We have three terriers and although we know them inside out, we do not even have them in the house when babies and small children stay. I hasten to add that they have shelter around the back of the house with their baskets and toys. We never take the dogs either when staying with our families with children.

The blame here lies totally with the mother and nothing else. In the UK we have had dogs attacking and even killing children but when you look at the circumstances you will always find that a guardian of the child was to blame and not the dog. One child death by a dog here revealed that the dog had not been walked for over a year.

Pitbulls are a specialist breed in my opinion and even my wife who has trained as a dog trainer would not even contemplate taking on one as a family pet. They are in essence for guard duty only and it is madness to even think of mixing a baby with this breed.

However you train or treat a dog you can not ever out train their basic breed instinct and their instinct will always prevail. My dogs may be perfectly obedient in the home but another story all together when out spotting a rabbit.
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Post by Victoria »

I have aways had dogs and Ive had 3 children. We were very careful and very planned when we bought the babies home.

As a result we ended up with furry childminders . However from a tiny age my kids were told to give the dog space, do not touch the bowl or food do not pull them while they sleep do not grab poke or smack.

The dogs were given a proper place to sleep, (on thier own) a regular meal time and bowl good walks and playtime.

With planning it can work, but what we see in a lot of these reports are people who were not fit to have a dog in the first place let alone a child and a dog together.

Neither the child nor the dog are to blame its the adults . The sooner a dog ownership test is bought in the better maybe it would stop at least some of the idiots from owning dogs

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RedGlitter;1231440 wrote: I suppose they blamed the dog instead of the mother.

It is thought that infants and young kids make noises similar to prey and dying animals, thereby triggering a dog's natural prey drive and sometimes pack instinct if they're travelling in company. I keep saying there's a *reason* these attacks happen to kids most of the time and no one seems to get it. I've been around animals all my life and I've seen all the cutesy pictures of babies and toddlers curled up next to the family golden retriever and no way would I let my small kid do that. Kids are notorious for yanking on animals and getting in their space which in the animal's eyes often warrants action. Since this was a baby I am guessing it was either the prey thing or a jealousy deal.

It didn't have to happen either. The dog of course doesn't know any better but that mother sure did.


I blame the mother as well, as soon as she had her baby she should have gotten rid of the dog, who the feck keeps a pit-bull in the same room as a baby or any other child for that matter. They are not pets..
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No need to "get rid of" one's pet. That's why pounds are full of them. Pits make great family dogs, they always have and in the 20s and 30s were as popular for family pets as Labs are today.- but you have to be smart about it. This woman was not.
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mikeinie;1231570 wrote: I blame the mother as well, as soon as she had her baby she should have gotten rid of the dog, who the feck keeps a pit-bull in the same room as a baby or any other child for that matter. They are not pets..


I agree, thank god the are banned here now.

my god, an infant?.... she leaves it alone on a bed while giving her German Sheppard attention?:-5:-5

neither dogs should have been present.
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What a tragedy. This mother made a bad judgement resulting in the loss of her child. I hope that not everyone is pointing a finger, but rather offering support for her loss. To the comment "Pits make great family dogs", I disagree entirely. With thousands of breeds, a pit should be at the bottom of the list for those who intend on having children. I haven't read of a lab or retriever attacking children. This incident just adds to the large list of Pit attacks. The false assumption that Pits are safe, is where trouble begins. Every breed has its place, a Pits is not in the family home.

As a parent who has lost a child, I understand the amount of greif (and in her case guilt) that she has to bear. Offer her your prayers, not your judgement.
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someonewhocares;1231959 wrote: What a tragedy. This mother made a bad judgement resulting in the loss of her child. I hope that not everyone is pointing a finger, but rather offering support for her loss. To the comment "Pits make great family dogs", I disagree entirely. With thousands of breeds, a pit should be at the bottom of the list for those who intend on having children. I haven't read of a lab or retriever attacking children. This incident just adds to the large list of Pit attacks. The false assumption that Pits are safe, is where trouble begins. Every breed has its place, a Pits is not in the family home.

As a parent who has lost a child, I understand the amount of greif (and in her case guilt) that she has to bear. Offer her your prayers, not your judgement.


Hello. Welcome to FG.

Actually yes I am pointing a finger at the mother since it was sheer stupidity on her part. Having spent my entire life around all kinds of dogs I have to disagree with you about pits not being family dogs. History shows us otherwise. Labs and goldens certainly do attack as does any dog under the right circumstances. In fact, cocker spaniels of which I have had three, are quite commonly snappy with little kids. yet it's ignorance and trumped up fear that causes people to continually spout falsehoods about pits, rotts, etc. It really needs to cease.
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Yes, they are beautiful animals, just a bundle of joy: The way their jaws are desined to lock down when biting, heck, any child would be safe around one of these:

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Why the propaganda Mike?

Would you like me to show you some scary videos of Retrievers or Labs? This kind of stuff does nothing but instill more fear into people who can't or won't think for themselves and paints all of one breed with a fat brush.
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It is not propaganda Red, it is fact. Youtube is full of clips of bit bull attacks.

I do not have anything just against pit bulls, if you say Retrievers or Labs are just as bad then I will take you word for it.

The problem with some pet owners is emotion transfer, they feel that the feelings and emotions that they have for their pet is returned equally by the pet, and this is false.

Yes pets are emotional creatures as are all animals, they just happen to be domesticated, which makes them more loyal and ‘loving’ but they are not human, they do not have reason, or logic in their thinking, they do not use judgment, they are trained. They are instinctive and even with training, love and caring will respond more to their basic instincts that humans would.

Any pet, even a cat, could be dangerous and for any parent to over rely on their own emotional feelings towards their pet, to the degree where they consider the pet to be like another child is both risky and irresponsible. That is why they are pets. They are domesticated animals, nothing more.
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mikeinie;1231993 wrote: Yes, they are beautiful animals, just a bundle of joy: The way their jaws are desined to lock down when biting, heck, any child would be safe around one of these:




Respectfully Mike, the lockjaw myth is just that, a myth.

So is the bitedown PSI claim.

Myths and Facts About Pits

I'm only offering the one link but there are countless others and should you ask a veterinarian, that should be fact enough.

mikeinie;1231998 wrote: It is not propaganda Red, it is fact. Youtube is full of clips of bit bull attacks.

I do not have anything just against pit bulls, if you say Retrievers or Labs are just as bad then I will take you word for it.

The problem with some pet owners is emotion transfer, they feel that the feelings and emotions that they have for their pet is returned equally by the pet, and this is false.

Yes pets are emotional creatures as are all animals, they just happen to be domesticated, which makes them more loyal and ‘loving’ but they are not human, they do not have reason, or logic in their thinking, they do not use judgment, they are trained. They are instinctive and even with training, love and caring will respond more to their basic instincts that humans would.

Any pet, even a cat, could be dangerous and for any parent to over rely on their own emotional feelings towards their pet, to the degree where they consider the pet to be like another child is both risky and irresponsible. That is why they are pets. They are domesticated animals, nothing more.


I'm not saying Labs and Retrievers are just as bad....I'm saying pits are no worse. When I was a kid in the 1970s, the so-called killer dogs were German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers. People claimed they would eat children. Then after that, Stephen King came out with "Cujo" and suddenly the bad dogs were St. Bernards. Then after that, the dog to loathe and fear was the Rottweiler. After that came more exotic dogs such as certain mastiffs and the Presa Canario. I apologize for not being able to provide a link right now, but I had read a couple years ago that the Dalmation was actually more likely to bite than the Rottweiler. I had a Dalmation and he did bite me twice while I was giving him an insulin shot.

While I don't cotton to treating animals like babies or children, preferring animals to live like animals, I don't quite agree with the emotion thing. Dogs, wolves (who mate for life) elephants and many other animals have been known to display what sure seems like emotion of some sort. Just like it's a safe bet this dog in the OP was jealous of the new baby and its pack instinct kicked in. That's not because the dog is bad. The dog is neutral. The situation is horrible. The dog did as Nature wired it to do. It was human error that in essence caused that infant's death. In spite of how much I love dogs (and other animals) I would never think to leave a baby or small child or even an invalid alone with one because I know animals will be animals regardless of their training.

It was once common thought that a baby could never be alone with a cat because the cat would "steal its breath." This was a prevalent wives tale. Where does this stuff come from? Probably a baby was left alone and the family cat curled up on its face and suffocated it. And then it snowballed, just like media and the unknowing public create more drama by perpetuating as fact things that are not true.

I don't ask that everyone love pits or any animal. I just ask people to think for themselves and be fair. And maybe have more respect for animals, because if they respected the wild nature remaining in domesticated pets, and learned more about the animals in their home, I really think most of these awful incidents would cease.
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RedGlitter;1232014 wrote: Respectfully Mike, the lockjaw myth is just that, a myth.

So is the bitedown PSI claim.

Myths and Facts About Pits

I'm only offering the one link but there are countless others and should you ask a veterinarian, that should be fact enough.



I'm not saying Labs and Retrievers are just as bad....I'm saying pits are no worse. When I was a kid in the 1970s, the so-called killer dogs were German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers. People claimed they would eat children. Then after that, Stephen King came out with "Cujo" and suddenly the bad dogs were St. Bernards. Then after that, the dog to loathe and fear was the Rottweiler. After that came more exotic dogs such as certain mastiffs and the Presa Canario. I apologize for not being able to provide a link right now, but I had read a couple years ago that the Dalmation was actually more likely to bite than the Rottweiler. I had a Dalmation and he did bite me twice while I was giving him an insulin shot.

While I don't cotton to treating animals like babies or children, preferring animals to live like animals, I don't quite agree with the emotion thing. Dogs, wolves (who mate for life) elephants and many other animals have been known to display what sure seems like emotion of some sort. Just like it's a safe bet this dog in the OP was jealous of the new baby and its pack instinct kicked in. That's not because the dog is bad. The dog is neutral. The situation is horrible. The dog did as Nature wired it to do. It was human error that in essence caused that infant's death. In spite of how much I love dogs (and other animals) I would never think to leave a baby or small child or even an invalid alone with one because I know animals will be animals regardless of their training.

It was once common thought that a baby could never be alone with a cat because the cat would "steal its breath." This was a prevalent wives tale. Where does this stuff come from? Probably a baby was left alone and the family cat curled up on its face and suffocated it. And then it snowballed, just like media and the unknowing public create more drama by perpetuating as fact things that are not true.

I don't ask that everyone love pits or any animal. I just ask people to think for themselves and be fair. And maybe have more respect for animals, because if they respected the wild nature remaining in domesticated pets, and learned more about the animals in their home, I really think most of these awful incidents would cease.


Well written.
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Post by Victoria »

In 2007 there were 33 thats thirty three deaths from dog bites in the US

In 2006 there were 30,896 deaths by firearms in the US



Ill take my chances with the dog any day. Its the humans that are bloody dangerous.
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Post by mikeinie »

There is a good point in here as well. We are trained to think a certain way.

For example: we have a kids book at home that we read to our kids called Buster Goes to the Zoo. In the book Buster sees the friendly lion, the fuzzy bear, he rides the friendly elephant, but stays well back from the scary snake.

In fact; the snake was the least dangerous of all the animals.

More tourists are killed by elephants in Africa every year than any other animal, why? Because they are suppose to be big and friendly.

Friendly lion??? Ya real friendly as he shares you as a meal with his lionesses.

Fuzzy bear?? Ya good fuzz to hold onto tightly as you scream for your life while he crushing you and ripping you open with his razor sharp claws.

We are taught from a young age what to be afraid of and what not to be afraid of and it is not always correct.

Do we really need to be afraid of spiders? well some maybe, but not normally.

All dogs are ‘man’s best friend’ but in reality all dogs are animals, and like any other animal as much as you can love and care for the pet, you still need to respect it and be aware of what it really can do.

There is a reason the police use German Sheppard’s as police dogs, there is a reason that scum bags use pit bulls in dog fights, there is a reason why Doberman Pinchers are preferred as guard dogs. The right animal for the right reason, risk needs to be taken into the decision making process.
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Post by someonewhocares »

I enjoy forums becuase they allow people to express thier opinions, whether right or wrong. So here is a fact provided by the "PetsDo" pets and community page to help clear up the confusion:

Top 10 Most Dangerous Dogs:

1. Pit Bulls

2. Rottweilers

3. German Shephards

4. Huskies

5. Alaskan Malamutes

6. Doberman Pinschers

7. Chow Chow

8. Presa Canario

9. Boxers

10. Dalmations

These dogs are dangerous because of their natural instincts. You can try to suppress these instincts, but you cannot remove them. I am not bashing the pit, its simply not a FAMILY DOG.

As far as the mother goes, the article in todays paper says she tried to choke the dog to stop it but was unable to. She witnessed the most horrific event any parent could ever witness. I am sure she never expected this, and ignorance led to tragedy. What about parents who don't buckle their children in, or smoke around them, or over feed them. These parents make conscious decisions that could harm their children daily. This is all a form of neglegence. Pointing the finger won't change this. Like the old saying "When you point a finger, there is three pointing back at you"
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Post by iggyy38 »

@ RedGlitter

Finally someone with a brain. Oh and Cockers are notoriously bad with children.

This is a tradgedy and my heart goes out to the family... HOWEVER...

I felt like the only one that wants to know why a mother would leave a 3 day old around ANY dog. The dog is taking the wrap (as most pit bulls do)and the mother is clearly at fault. How much bigger is a 3 day old than a toy..is the dog supposed to know the difference or are the PARENTS!!!!!
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