President Obama makes room for lobbyists

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:53 pm

Im going to disagree with you there, I respect the way Kindle is approaching things, by the issues, not by the person.

We all make the mistake of thinking of this as a "domestic" forum and talk as if to our countrymen and women. It isn't domestic, it's international, and that can lead to issues of understanding. To me, Kindle is attacking the man for explicit political reasons: to keep Republicans frothing at the mouth and politically active. Party politics of that sort is (in my opinion) done at the expense of country and is something you may have noticed Brits moaning about regarding our politics.

If Obama is what you say he is then yes. You are doomed and so are we over here.

But to reach this blanket conclusion less than a month after he's been inaugurated makes it look to this outsider like straight party political warfare. Ie Republicans would rather see the United States of America collapse than recover into a beacon of hope and prosperity under Obama.

scholle-kid · Post by **scholle-kid** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:09 pm

double helix;1122208 wrote: All through Obama's campaign people just fell in love with the man every time he opened his mouth. It didn't matter that he kept changing his message. It didn't matter that he kept going back on his promises like, for instance, his agreement with McCain to use the limited legislative campaign funds. Didn't even make a difference when he was over heard making prejudiced derogatory statements about the mid-western steel workers he had just finished making a speech to.

Here's a heads up for you.

Be real careful to keep your self focused and watchful when speaking about Obama and the topic of prejudiced around spot. He jumps on that 'like ugly on ape' .

I started a thread wondering just how many Americans voted for the color of skin in November 2008, and wound up in a heated 'conversation' about America and our history with slavery and racists that couldn't m or wouldn't let it end.. or some such cr*pola along those lines.

scholle-kid · Post by **scholle-kid** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:41 pm

Jester;1123857 wrote: Oh my Obama's Black? :-2 Really?

I thought he was white?

Oh I forgot he's half white and half black, thats right.

I persoanlly think a large portion of folks voted for him just because he is black- looking. I'd venture a guess as to say at least half of the 42% of americans that voted for him pretty much voted for him just because of that reason alone.
I started that thread at the '11th hour' before all the results were in on the election figuring that way no one could accuse me of 'playing 'the 'race card'

what made me question the precentage of Americans voting skin color and not issues was a woman that was all ga ga over Obama becdause of the color of his skin. She very publicly admits she does not agree with a large precentage of the platform he ran on, abortion, our military, the war ...etc... but she was a loud and active 'supporter ':rolleyes: and urged every one that would listen to get out and vote Obama !!

double helix · Post by **double helix** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:16 pm

scholle-kid;1123799 wrote: Here's a heads up for you.

Be real careful to keep your self focused and watchful when speaking about Obama and the topic of prejudiced around spot. He jumps on that 'like ugly on ape' .

I started a thread wondering just how many Americans voted for the color of skin in November 2008, and wound up in a heated 'conversation' about America and our history with slavery and racists that couldn't m or wouldn't let it end.. or some such cr*pola along those lines. Reeally!!! Whats he gonna do to me if I argue back and just keep butting heads with him.....will he implode?:yh_rotfl We can only hope.

Maybe (shiver and shake) he will :-3 ban me.

I've have had my run in's with SPOT here and on another forum. Love pushing his buttons just cause it is so easy to do. LOL But thanks for the warning.

double helix · Post by **double helix** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:18 pm

Jester;1123857 wrote: Oh my Obama's Black? :-2 Really?

I thought he was white?

Oh I forgot he's half white and half black, thats right.

I persoanlly think a large portion of folks voted for him just because he is black- looking. I'd venture a guess as to say at least half of the 42% of americans that voted for him pretty much voted for him just because of that reason alone. Don't forget he's half black, half white, was born in AFRICA and raised in Hawaii! LOL

double helix · Post by **double helix** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:19 pm

Jester;1123692 wrote: I think we are doomed over here, doomed to our country looking like yours in a a matter of four years as far as the level of socialism goes. America will never flourish under the massive handouts he's heading down, we cant sustain it, and like you our economy will be dependent on another economy or it will implode... just liek whats happening to yours now. And we cant afford it- our chidlren will never be able to pay back the massive debt in the handout that hes handing out to his buddies, unions, government chronnies, special interest- it will NOT improve the economy at all. I'd much rather he just change the laws that allowed us down this path and leave us to recover by cutting taxes.

As far as party politics goes, in my opnion the repubs are doing all they can to stop the upcoming doom, Im sorry but that goes beyond party politics. We are in a race for our very existance as a free america. I fear we cannot go back without a very bloody revolution already.
I can only agree with you Jester. Couldn't add a single thing cause you said it all and said it all perfectly.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:15 am

I dunno.... I've spent the last eight years watching a man who disgraces the word "moron" running your country into the ground for the benefit of a few buddies, wrecking America's reputation, selling your country to the Chinese and failing to cope with domestic disasters; and one month after his inauguration - before anything he does has any chance to show an effect you seriously reckon the USA is doomed because of Obama? (you are aware the pretty much all the bad news you get in the next two years at least will be the result of Republican policies over the last four years or so, aren't you?)

Doomed, possibly. Obama is the person elected because 42% of the vote was more people than wanted the Republicans back. It's called democracy. But whether you want him or not, he is NOW the only person who can save the US from the ongoing trainsmash that Bush created. Or did you like the way the country was going under Bush?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:26 am

Have my happy head on. Been sledging for the first time in 20 years or so!:wah:

Back to the point: Seems to me Republicans over there regard themselves as the "natural" party of government in much the same way the Conservative Party do here. The last time I heard comments like the ones on this thread was when the Conservatives lost power 12 years ago.

I understand that Congress or the Senate (or both) being of a different Party to your President is part of the checks and balances of the system, and if say Congress is Democrat when the President is Republican it is because people voted that way to check the power of the President?

Bush took it to the terrorists....

Under what other presidents has mainland USA been under terrorist attack?

Is there a single anti-terrorist success you can point to? A single terrorist organisation that has been destroyed as a result of Bush's policies? A single person or any organisation outside the USA that has said they think America is great because of Bush's policies? (There might be, I just haven't heard of them).

I suspect Bush was Osama bin Laden's greatest recruiter, the way the Rev. Paisley was for the IRA.

(At the risk of teaching my grandmother to suck eggs: Paisley was Leader of the Democratic Unionists, which is a powerful political party in Northern Ireland. He hates the IRA with a passion almost beyond conception. Every time he opened his mouth five more people joined the IRA. It was so well known that it is believed that IRA activists were specifically instructed NOT to kill him. Heard this from several ex army guys AND Irish folk, at different times in different places)

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:03 am

Clodhopper;1123672 wrote: ...........Ie Republicans would rather see the United States of America collapse than recover into a beacon of hope and prosperity under Obama.

This is not the only other option. Another resulting outcome could be that debt would overwhelm us and we could not borrow enough to keep things afloat.

Criticism helps to keep their eye on the prize. What we ALL want is a way out of the mess we are in.

Example: The current proposed stimulus bill is more a spending package than an economical boost. It does not meet the reqirements which President Obama requested. There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. Our whole country is doing just that right now, not just FG members. It is not a matter of "us" vs "them", it is common sense in handling a budget. The best minds, I sincerely hope, are working on this and the more input, hopefully, the better the outcome for the US. As our representatives and senators are discussing this, for the US citizens to remain quiet is ridiculous. The US has elected officials, not a dictator. Our voice lets them know what we want. Their re-election may depend upon them listening.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:33 am

Kindle: Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I tend to chirp up because the Americans I know, I like, and because the similarities and differences (and in things like music, the feedback) between our cultures are an endless and confusing source of interest if not fascination.

The fact that my political beliefs are different to most on this thread is a secondary issue.

chuckle. There's a story about one of our Prime Ministers - Attlee I think (Labour, PM of the Government that created our Welfare State at the end of WW2 when were were bankrupt and dependent on American charity) - asked by his cabinet colleagues to give them a quick description of American politics. He replied that Americans had two political parties: the Republicans, who were a bit like our Conservative Party; and the Democrats, who were also a bit like our Conservative Party.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:45 am

Clodhopper;1125032 wrote: Kindle: Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I tend to chirp up because the Americans I know, I like, and because the similarities and differences (and in things like music, the feedback) between our cultures are an endless and confusing source of interest if not fascination.

The fact that my political beliefs are different to most on this thread is a secondary issue.

chuckle. There's a story about one of our Prime Ministers - Attlee I think (Labour, PM of the Government that created our Welfare State at the end of WW2 when were were bankrupt and dependent on American charity) - asked by his cabinet colleagues to give them a quick description of American politics. He replied that Americans had two political parties: the Republicans, who were a bit like our Conservative Party; and the Democrats, who were also a bit like our Conservative Party.

:yh_rotfl Laughter is needed in this world of politics.