why if a person leaves Islam they have to be killed? Is that a cultural thing or is it Islam? Oh and if Islam is the truth then which sect is the real truth ? I see a lot of diversity in Islam from country to country.
First thats the Bible asking for killing those who leave the Christianty in the NT, or Judism,in the OT,
Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Hebrews 10:28 (American Standard Version)
Not Only that ,many sins in the OT, its punishment was death , like
Leviticus 7:20 eating of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings
Leviticus 7:25 men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD
Leviticus 17:3 What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp,
Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death:
Leviticus 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
Leviticus 23:29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
And for the New Testanment,
Hebrews 10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: Does Islam allow the freedom in believing ,
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (Quran 2:256)
In Islam its different , the community is based on its faith so much , Islam allow the freedom in believing , but as the Jews did their best to mess up the mess of Jesus ( Peace upon Him ) , they did their best against the prophet of Islam , They made a plan, they started telling ( We are Muslims , we among the believers ) and just at the night or the second day , they say , ( We discovered that its nothing , we are not among them ), they kept doing that , to spread the doubt among the believers , like a lieing propeganda, even God discribed them in Quran saying,
And a party of the People of the Scripture say: Believe in that which hath been revealed unto those who believe at the opening of the day, and disbelieve at the end thereof, in order that they may return; (Quran 3:72)
And thats why God allowed the punishment of death for those who spread that propeganda among the believers, they dont depend on the rational discussion , they just depend on the propeganda.
And Islam already allowed the discussion with those who spread that propeganda , before punishing them.
Their propeganda was like saying We believe at the mornning , and at the night we dont , the next day we dont, the night we dont...and so on
Lo! those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will He guide them unto a way. (Quran 4:137)
That One who follow this propeganda, is being discussed three times , every time who does his propeganda , the scientists stay with him and discuss him, and so on , but after he repeat his propeganda three time, he be deserving the punishment.
fuzzywuzzy;1204100 wrote: And is there still a price on the head of Ayaan Hirsi Ali for writing the book "Caged Virgin" and "Infidel" and the film "Submission"?
He is One those who spreaded theirpropeganda, and escape from discution , but the Punishment isnt practised but in an Islamic community and under an Islamic laws,as you knowmany Athiestsknow in the west is making fun of Jesus calling him gay and killer and and ,they are not christians, they are Athiest with Christian names ,like that Ayaan Ali,at least she escape from many discussions
she cant even read the Quran well .While in Europe , after the Christians counteries entered Al Andalus ( Spain and Portagule ) after the Muslims were there for 700 years , I think no One of You knows that Spain was an Islamic Country for 700 years
It was called Al Andalus , let me tell you a lil things about if from the Wikipedia,
Al-Andalus (Arabic: الأندلس) was the Arabic name given to the parts of the Iberian Peninsula and Septimania governed by Arab and North African Muslims (given the generic name of Moors), at various times in the period between 711 and 1492.
For much of its history, Al-Andalus existed in conflict with Christian kingdoms to the north. In 1085 Alfonso VI of Castile captured Toledo, precipitating a gradual decline until, by 1236, with the fall of Córdoba, the Kingdom of Granada remained the only Muslim–ruled territory in what is now Spain. The Portuguese Reconquista culminated in 1249 with the conquest of the Algarve by Afonso III. In 1238, Granada officially became a tributary state to the Kingdom of Castile, then ruled by Ferdinand III. On January 2, 1492, Muhammad XII of Granada surrendered complete control of Granada to Ferdinand and Isabella, Los Reyes Católicos, "The Catholic Monarchs".
Non-Muslims under the Caliphate
The non-Muslims were given the status of ahl al-dhimma (the people under protection), adults paying a "Jizya" tax, equal to 1 Dinar per year with exemptions for old people, women, children and the disabled, whenever there was a Christian authority in the community. When there was no Christian authority, the non-Muslims were given the status of majus.
The treatment of non-Muslims in the Caliphate has been a subject of considerable debate among scholars and commentators, especially those interested in drawing parallels to the coexistence of Muslims and non-Muslims in the modern world. MarÃa Rosa Menocal, a specialist in Iberian literature, has argued that "tolerance was an inherent aspect of Andalusian society". In her view, the Jewish and Christian dhimmis living under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were much better off than in other parts of Christian Europe.
Jews constituted more than 5% of the population. Jews from other parts of Europe emigrated to Al-Andalus, where they were treated with dignity, as were Christians of sects regarded as heretical by various European Christian states.[citation needed] Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities. But there is no consensus among scholars that the relationship between Jews and Muslims was indeed a paragon of interfaith relations. Bernard Lewis takes issue with this view, arguing its modern use is ahistorical and apologetic. He argues that Islam traditionally did not offer equality nor even pretended that it did, arguing that it would have been both a "theological as well as a logical absurdity
And You Can read about the sciences and how Europe took her culture mainly through the Islamic Culture in Spain , thats all mentioned in the movie made by BBC, the Islamic history of Europe
I will mention that movie in another thread, the point here, what happened when the christian enteredSpain after 700 years of civiiation and progress.
They held courts called The Spanish Inquisition, and gave the Muslims , the spanish Muslims two options , Converting into Jesus or death.
You can see some Pictures and google about the middle ages in Europe,
Pushing a Spainish Muslims woman to death or converting
Thats all and Europe never said sorry over terminating a complete Islamic community of Spainishes, hundreds thousands of Spanish Muslims and Arab Ones were terminated there.
That involved the Jews and Protestants lived in Peace under the Islamic goverment in Spain...........
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