US will cease to exist

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:46 am

Jerusalem Post

A thorough analysis of the Koran reveals that the US will cease to exist in the year 2007, according to research published by Palestinian scholar Ziad Silwadi.

The study, which has caught the attention of millions of Muslims worldwide, is based on in-depth interpretations of various verses in the Koran. It predicts that the US will be hit by a tsunami larger than that which recently struck southeast Asia.......

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellitep ... 1980180248

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:01 am

Looks like the link disappeared first! :yh_doh

Post by **kensloft** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:42 am

Raven wrote: Looks like the link disappeared first! :yh_doh
What about Canada?

I heard that if the nuclear bomb lands on the CanAm border only America will die because Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons? Does the Koran tell us about this?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:24 am

you're guilty by association! :yh_peace

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:27 am

The link is not found. I wonder why Koran should say this.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:07 am

Raven wrote: Looks like the link disappeared first! :yh_doh

Let's try it again.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 1980180248

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:22 am

thank you clint.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:12 pm

Reminds me of the Nostradamus prediction that was "found" right after the World Trade Center came down. :yh_doh :yh_youkid

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:18 pm

i can't bring up the article even at the revised URL. something tells me that word of this article kinda spread fast on the 'net, and the server's been overwhelmed.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:20 pm

anastrophe wrote: i can't bring up the article even at the revised URL. something tells me that word of this article kinda spread fast on the 'net, and the server's been overwhelmed.
ah, but the google cache saves the day:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:nGvy ... 0target=nw

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:25 pm

anastrophe wrote: ah, but the google cache saves the day:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:nGvy ... 0target=nw
pretty funny article. typical religious zealot 'the end is near' junk.

it'd be a neat trick to have a tsunami hit just the US coastline and nobody else - on both sides of the continent! plus, it'd have to be a mother of a tsunami to create waves more than a mile high. wait, i saw 'sudden impact', it CAN happen!

i also like how he sorta waffles on the affect it'd have on the rest of the world if the US disappeared. he'd prefer if we were just crippled, rather than killed off. no more cool pirated movies to buy from the local VHS vendor...like, say, sudden impact, which is where he probably got the idea.

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:08 pm

Thanks for the link anastrophe. BTW your picture frightens me. It reminds me of the scene in Willie Wonka when the girl chews the blueberry gum. I had nightmares for a week!

A couple of good chuckles in the article. It seemed the only evidence that the US would be hit was the author's assumption that the US was evil and had offended God, oops, Allah.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:12 pm

He looks like John Goodman after a hefty dose of radiation.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:25 pm

Scrat wrote: The article won't come up. Could somebody copy and paste it?
if you click on the link in my post it should come up. if not, just go to google and type in 'jerusalem post'. when the entry for the article comes up, click on the word 'cached', rather than going directly to the article.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:26 pm

David813 wrote: He looks like John Goodman after a hefty dose of radiation.
a _young_ john goodman however - i'd need to gain another 300 lbs to have his current neckline.

of course, i'm well on my way. just a few more slices of pizza and i'm there.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:37 pm

anastrophe wrote: pretty funny article. typical religious zealot 'the end is near' junk.

it'd be a neat trick to have a tsunami hit just the US coastline and nobody else - on both sides of the continent! plus, it'd have to be a mother of a tsunami to create waves more than a mile high. wait, i saw 'sudden impact', it CAN happen!

i also like how he sorta waffles on the affect it'd have on the rest of the world if the US disappeared. he'd prefer if we were just crippled, rather than killed off. no more cool pirated movies to buy from the local VHS vendor...like, say, sudden impact, which is where he probably got the idea.
The same thought about the selective tsunami went through my mind. Maybe he plans to write a series of books about the end times. It's made an American or two rich.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:37 pm

anastrophe wrote: a _young_ john goodman however - i'd need to gain another 300 lbs to have his current neckline.

of course, i'm well on my way. just a few more slices of pizza and i'm there.
You look very dapper, yet stern, in your old photo. If I awoke and saw you leering over me like that looking positively diabolical I'd have a Mary Tyler Moore Moment.....

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:42 pm

David813 wrote: You look very dapper, yet stern, in your old photo. If I awoke and saw you leering over me like that looking positively diabolical I'd have a Mary Tyler Moore Moment.....

"ooooOOOH, Mr. Grrraaant!!"

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:43 pm

i will be changing my photo back shortly. the diabolipaul was a feeble attempt at april fool's day hilarity.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:45 pm

you mean it's not the real YOU? ...and i am going to go buy a big surfboard. :wah:

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:46 pm

lady cop wrote: you mean it's not the real YOU? ...and i am going to go buy a big surfboard. :wah:
oh, it's the real me, baby.

you can't make it out because it's tiny type, but on my forehead it says

Helper Smelter

David813 · Post by **David813** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:47 pm

anastrophe wrote: "ooooOOOH, Mr. Grrraaant!!"
:wah: :wah:

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:13 pm

anastrophe wrote: oh, it's the real me, baby.

you can't make it out because it's tiny type, but on my forehead it says

Helper Smelter

Yeah!!! You're back!

You got me on the April Fools thing. I thought you were serious and was trying to figure out how to talk you out of the new blue you.

so the tiny word on your forehead was "yes"? (just a cheesy reference to Yoko Ono again)

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:26 pm

I have read both articles. There is no direct reference to US or any other country in the Koran. The author has said that he has reached this conclusion (US will cease to exist) that several suras (chapters) in the Koran that talk about punishment for those who perpetrate heinous sins actually refer to the US.

He has pointed out that the US continued to commit war crimes and "ethnic cleansing" against humanity by becoming the first country to use nuclear weapons during World War II. "International law penalizes such crimes," he said. "If these laws were not applied then, they are certainly implemented in heaven. If no one on earth is capable of punishing , Allah was and remains able to do so. All these actions have been documented by Allah in a big archive called the Koran."

As an example, he quotes in his study verse 40 of the Spider Sura, which states: "So each We [God] punished for his sin; of them was he on whom We sent down a violent storm, and of them was he whom the rumbling overtook, and of them was he whom We made to be swallowed up by the earth, and of them he whom We drowned; and it did not beseem Allah that He should be unjust to them, but they were unjust to their own souls."

Drawing parallels between Pharaoh and the US, who share the same "sin" of arrogance and excessive pride, he has noted that the Koran mentions at least 12 times the fact that Pharaoh was punished by drowning for his evil deeds.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:16 pm

Suresh Gupta wrote: I have read both articles. There is no direct reference to US or any other country in the Koran. The author has said that he has reached this conclusion (US will cease to exist) that several suras (chapters) in the Koran that talk about punishment for those who perpetrate heinous sins actually refer to the US.

He has pointed out that the US continued to commit war crimes and "ethnic cleansing" against humanity by becoming the first country to use nuclear weapons during World War II. "International law penalizes such crimes," he said. "If these laws were not applied then, they are certainly implemented in heaven. If no one on earth is capable of punishing , Allah was and remains able to do so. All these actions have been documented by Allah in a big archive called the Koran."

As an example, he quotes in his study verse 40 of the Spider Sura, which states: "So each We [God] punished for his sin; of them was he on whom We sent down a violent storm, and of them was he whom the rumbling overtook, and of them was he whom We made to be swallowed up by the earth, and of them he whom We drowned; and it did not beseem Allah that He should be unjust to them, but they were unjust to their own souls."

Drawing parallels between Pharaoh and the US, who share the same "sin" of arrogance and excessive pride, he has noted that the Koran mentions at least 12 times the fact that Pharaoh was punished by drowning for his evil deeds.
well, i guess my question is, so what?

so, most of the folks in and around the tsunami last december were muslims. i'm curious what God was punishing *them* for? surely, if seen within the glorious qu'raan is proof that the U.S. will be destroyed by a tsunami, by God's hand for our evil, then there can be no question that the people killed in the recent tsunami were being punished by God as well, allah akbar.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:26 am

anastrophe wrote: well, i guess my question is, so what?

so, most of the folks in and around the tsunami last december were muslims. i'm curious what God was punishing *them* for? surely, if seen within the glorious qu'raan is proof that the U.S. will be destroyed by a tsunami, by God's hand for our evil, then there can be no question that the people killed in the recent tsunami were being punished by God as well, allah akbar.

Yes, my question is also, 'so what', and answer will be more or less same to yours. I see untimely death of any person as a punishment by God for his sins in this or previous births. US is a big country and no tsunami, however large it is, can destroy it completely. So I feel that it is foolish to say that US will cease to exist.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:16 am

posted by babyrider

Reminds me of the Nostradamus prediction that was "found" right after the World Trade Center came down.

Actually i have a translation from the early eighties predating the twin towers being built that positulates some disaster in new york it's only with hindsight you can apply it to the twin towers. Like all these predictions it only seems obviously applicable after the event. How come nobody noticed the tsunami on christmas eve.

What is surprising is the number od people that take these kind of things seriously.

posted by anastrophe

so, most of the folks in and around the tsunami last december were muslims. i'm curious what God was punishing *them* for? surely, if seen within the glorious qu'raan is proof that the U.S. will be destroyed by a tsunami, by God's hand for our evil, then there can be no question that the people killed in the recent tsunami were being punished by God as well, allah akbar.

Accoding to the worthies of the free church of Scotland it was because the ungodly don't respect the sabbath.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:49 pm

Suresh Gupta wrote: I see untimely death of any person as a punishment by God for his sins in this or previous births.
i don't believe in a hateful, wrathful god, personally. i'd be curious what was the collective sin of the 200,000 people who died in the tsunami.

all deaths are untimely. we always want death to come tomorrow, not today.

koan · Post by **koan** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:18 am

Godiva Girl wrote: No one can predict when the end will come, only God himself knows when it will be the end. As far as death, I believe god takes a person when he decides it is their time to go from this earth. It does not matter if they are a good person or bad, if it is an untimely tragedy like an earthquake or a long battle with cancer. God takes you when he decides it is your time. I don't understand why god sometimes takes people in such tragic ways, maybe it's to make us stop and think about how precious life is. Thats the only reason I can think of, only God can answer that.

A nice sentiment...but it sure takes away the fun from all the doomsayers.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:45 am

anastrophe wrote: i don't believe in a hateful, wrathful god, personally. i'd be curious what was the collective sin of the 200,000 people who died in the tsunami.

all deaths are untimely. we always want death to come tomorrow, not today.

God is not hateful and wrathful. I believe in the theory of Karma - one has a right over his actions but he has no right over the result of his actions. Every situation which we are facing inluding death is a result of our actions in this or any previous birth. Human beings have a very limited knowledge. They do not even know about their previous birth. But the God sees them and their ations in unlimited number of births and deaths and awards the result of their actions. Who will know except God the actions which brought death to the 200,000 people who died in tsunami.

All deaths are not untimely. A person who dies after living a purposeful life is not grieved at his death. Death has come to him timely. Only those who meet untimely death are grieved by others.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:48 am

Dear Godiva Girl,

Your views are very similar to the principles of Karma Yoga as explained to Arjuna By Lord Krishna in Gita. You may like to read it.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:55 am

Godiva Girl wrote: No one can predict when the end will come, only God himself knows when it will be the end. As far as death, I believe god takes a person when he decides it is their time to go from this earth. It does not matter if they are a good person or bad, if it is an untimely tragedy like an earthquake or a long battle with cancer. God takes you when he decides it is your time. I don't understand why god sometimes takes people in such tragic ways, maybe it's to make us stop and think about how precious life is. Thats the only reason I can think of, only God can answer that.
Agree. Without death we wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t appreciate life nor, do I think we would make an effort to protect it. We sometimes concern ourselves with untimely death or the death of innocence. If an innocent child was indestructible what would be the motivation to love and care for it? Our fragile, fallible existence is someplace at the base of the need for love.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:46 am

Clint wrote: Jerusalem Post

A thorough analysis of the Koran reveals that the US will cease to exist in the year 2007, according to research published by Palestinian scholar Ziad Silwadi.

The study, which has caught the attention of millions of Muslims worldwide, is based on in-depth interpretations of various verses in the Koran. It predicts that the US will be hit by a tsunami larger than that which recently struck southeast Asia.......

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellitep ... 980180248I heard these mullahs on PalTalk speaking about Iran the new nuclear power by 2007. Hot air on their part.

Suresh Gupta · Post by **Suresh Gupta** » Sun May 22, 2005 4:41 am

Hi Captain,

They perhaps mean, Islamic Bomb, a term used in Pakistan.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 4:44 am

Suresh Gupta wrote: Hi Captain,

They perhaps mean, Islamic Bomb, a term used in Pakistan.No, I don't think they meant that.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:07 pm

That sounds a lot like the boys that try to interpret "Revelation" in terms of the present time. Hot air.

Shalom

Ted :-6

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:36 pm

Ted wrote: That sounds a lot like the boys that try to interpret "Revelation" in terms of the present time. Hot air.

Shalom

Ted :-6I heard that back in 2001 on Iran Radio (English programe). :wah: But they were speaking about their nuclear power buildup by 2007

turbonium · Post by **turbonium** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:26 pm

This story is yet another in a long line of dogmatic interpretation of religious documents. There are always radical interpretations of the Koran, the Bible, the Talmud, etc. twisted to fit in with current events to show they are proof of their religion as the one and only truth.

Logic and reason takes a back seat to the misguided interpretations of far too many zealots.

vilssss · Post by **vilssss** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:47 pm

This man seems to have an over-active imagination. The U.S. will not cease to exist. Why would God cause the only thing decent in this world to simply vanish? If it wasn't for the U.S of A., this world would be in a mess. The U.S. stands for good in this world, dispite what those in the Persian Gulf and other parts of the world may say.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:44 am

The US will always be there God Bless the US. Who in the right frame of mind would attack the US of A. But again, these mad al-Qa'ida & Co are not of sound mind.

tr0lle · Post by **tr0lle** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:28 pm

I thought the op was liek "us" will cease to exist. ha!

stroganoff07 · Post by **stroganoff07** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:05 pm

vilssss;76902 wrote: This man seems to have an over-active imagination. The U.S. will not cease to exist. Why would God cause the only thing decent in this world to simply vanish? If it wasn't for the U.S of A., this world would be in a mess. The U.S. stands for good in this world, dispite what those in the Persian Gulf and other parts of the world may say.

What good does america stand for?We live in a country where a considerable part of the population is either homeless or going in that direction,a country that has the highest incarceration rate of all the so called civilized world.A country where most people cringe at the site of somone of a diffferent look.slf

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:15 pm

We live in a country that won't set fire to you if you burn your husband's dinner, for starters.

That won't cut off your hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

A country where you can freely express the opinion you just did.

While I disagree with the other person's remark about the US being the ONLY good thing in the world, I also disagree with yours. And once again we can all disagree with each other without getting killed.

:)

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:26 pm

RedGlitter;564176 wrote: We live in a country that won't set fire to you if you burn your husband's dinner, for starters.

That won't cut off your hand for stealing a loaf of bread.

A country where you can freely express the opinion you just did.

While I disagree with the other person's remark about the US being the ONLY good thing in the world, I also disagree with yours. And once again we can all disagree with each other without getting killed.

:)

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OK NOW..........

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