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My husband wants me to make him a tie from some material of his mother's. I've found a pattern and am doing a try-out on some scrap of similar weight, but can't get the point right. I'm following but with no success. Any suggestions?
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How many pieces of interfacing did you choose to include? If you used two, is it bulking out too much at the tip? If you have none at all in your dummy run, or a material that's too soft, then that may be leaving the tip too flexible and curling. It needs to be actively supported from the inside.

I've never found relying on size to stiffen the interfacing is a good long-term solution, the tie always seems to lose its form fairly quickly unless you have a really firm linen (that's my preference) inside. Bookbinding has a similar challenge in that regard.

If that's not it, maybe you could describe the problem in finer detail?
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spot wrote: How many pieces of interfacing did you choose to include? If you used two, is it bulking out too much at the tip? If you have none at all in your dummy run, or a material that's too soft, then that may be leaving the tip too flexible and curling. It needs to be actively supported from the inside.



I've never found relying on size to stiffen the interfacing is a good long-term solution, the tie always seems to lose its form fairly quickly unless you have a really firm linen (that's my preference) inside. Bookbinding has a similar challenge in that regard.



If that's not it, maybe you could describe the problem in finer detail? Did'nt expect that one!
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abbey wrote: Did'nt expect that one!You might be right, Abbey - I suppose, thinking about it, that Tigerlily might be using shop-bought interfacing but I've never got on well with that either. It's far less easy to stich to than linen, for one thing, and I always find it has a tendency to poke through if the edge cut leaves the warp and weft exposed. Far too bristly, in my experience. Everyone surely has enough cut-off linen scrap for this sort of thing, without paying for something specific.
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spot wrote: You might be right, Abbey - I suppose, thinking about it, that Tigerlily might be using shop-bought interfacing but I've never got on well with that either. It's far less easy to stich to than linen, for one thing, and I always find it has a tendency to poke through if the edge cut leaves the warp and weft exposed. Far too bristly, in my experience. Everyone surely has enough cut-off linen scrap for this sort of thing, without paying for something specific.Marry me Spot. :-4
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ArnoldLayne wrote: If you wont marry Abbey, Spot, perhaps you'll let out a particularly tight pair of trousers for me :DWhat I found easiest when I opened a suitcase a few months ago and found trousers I'd last worn aged 19 was to not even think of trying. They went to the Sally Ann over the main road. The jacket, on the other hand, I did try. My arms seem to have expanded. My younger son now wears it, and very good he looks in it too.

Abbey, my less salubrious habits would have me ousted from your presence within hours, honest. We'd do so much better sat where we are, sighing occasionally.
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spot wrote:



Abbey, my less salubrious habits would have me ousted from your presence within hours, honest. We'd do so much better sat where we are, sighing occasionally.......
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Um, okay, from a more handyman-ish point of view: how about getting an old or cheap tie and carefully taking it apart, noting how it was assembled. The fancy term is reverse engineering. You can be a tie engineer.
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I think that's what I'll have to do.

I can see a number of you have taken my query as an opportunity for a bit of flirting. And why not. Unexpected, though!!!!!
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Tigerlily wrote: I think that's what I'll have to do.



I can see a number of you have taken my query as an opportunity for a bit of flirting. And why not. Unexpected, though!!!!!Sorry Tiger. :yh_flower
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I'm all for flirting!!!!!!!!! Just always surprised at what sparks it off. Was on another forum where they were so boring I actually started a thread on flirting. A few folks joined in but others were really po-faced. Don't go on there much.

Still struggling with that blasted tie though..........
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If you have a digital camera, Tigerlily, you could take an in-focus close-up photo of the problem and attach it here. You might have to do it on a windowledge to get it lit well.
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spot wrote: If you have a digital camera, Tigerlily, you could take an in-focus close-up photo of the problem and attach it here. You might have to do it on a windowledge to get it lit well.And you can put some kind of inuendo-laden message to Spot while you're at it. :sneaky:



So anyway, it sounds like there's an interesting story behind this tie dilemma. :)
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Accountable wrote: And you can put some kind of inuendo-laden message to Spot while you're at it. :sneaky: That was the first time in a thousand posts that innuendo had not crossed my mind! How could you be so mean?
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spot wrote: That was the first time in a thousand posts that innuendo had not crossed my mind! How could you be so mean?I'm not really mean; I'm just average ... median, if you will.
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I've asked sewing friend to advise as well. She says why doesn't my husband just go to Marks & Spencer?

Might wll have a go at putting the instructions on camera and explaining why it doesn't seem to work.
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Tigerlily wrote: I've asked sewing friend to advise as well. She says why doesn't my husband just go to Marks & Spencer?
I've always preferred the personal touch. The Marks & Spencer might technically look better, but it wouldn't be better. :yh_flower
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Accountable wrote: :-2






Um, okay, from a more handyman-ish point of view: how about getting an old or cheap tie and carefully taking it apart, noting how it was assembled. The fancy term is reverse engineering. You can be a tie engineer.


Now that is an excellent idea...you could get one for next to nothing in a charity shop....
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Hi,

I'm looking for people in the UK who might be hand-slippers - people who have worked in the Tie trade before and may also have worked from home.

Does anyone have any ideas how I might go about tracking these people down?

Thanks!
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what is a hand-slipper? Judging by the rest of the posts on this thread this phrase will give rise to further ribaldry!!

No use asking me. I'm trying to work out how to makes ties at all - and now winter is coming shall be renewing my efforts.
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We'll join in helpfully if we see photos, Tigerlily.

TieyourTie, are you seeking to employ specialists? Start a polytechnic course? Write a popular history of sweatshops servicing haute couteur? I'm sure someone will hit your post with a google-search in months or years and be exactly the person you're hoping to find, but it would be odd to find a one-in-a-million person on a one-in-a-thousand bulletin board.
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What exactly is the problem? Is the mock-up too limp? Too bulky? Did you cut a slight dart (^) into the very tip, prior to folding it over, to reduce possible bulk? Not a large dart, but just a nip. (Hint: Use FrayCheck to prevent raveling.)

Let me clarify: The tie bottom is pointed, so it must be cut that way, and then one side folded over, and the other lapped onto the first. That way, it will keep it's point. However, I can envision that very point being slightly too bulky. Nipping a small ^ into the original point BEFORE folding will help reduce the bulkiness.
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Bella, the last post in this thread before yours was from August of 2006, so probably the issue has been resolved...or at least I'd hope so.
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Sorry, I didn't catch the date! :o
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Originally Posted by spot

How many pieces of interfacing did you choose to include? If you used two, is it bulking out too much at the tip? If you have none at all in your dummy run, or a material that's too soft, then that may be leaving the tip too flexible and curling. It needs to be actively supported from the inside.

I've never found relying on size to stiffen the interfacing is a good long-term solution, the tie always seems to lose its form fairly quickly unless you have a really firm linen (that's my preference) inside. Bookbinding has a similar challenge in that regard.

If that's not it, maybe you could describe the problem in finer detail?





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:wah: :wah: Me too. Got kind of pie eyed when I read that.
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Can anyone tell me the specific name for the tie inner lining? I cant find it any where!?
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That's a very general question. I'd count five major design approaches to tie-making, two of those involve a lining material that differs from the visible tie material and in both of those I'd call that inner material a liner. Where there's an inner lining which is a continuation of the visible tie material I'd call that a roll. That might be thought to represent the Western European school of tie making at least. Bow ties are indistinguishable other than in their proportion. Cravats and cummerbunds are a totally different topic.

The words inner and outer apply to the finished tie, some designs start inside out and require inversion part way through construction. Whichever way it gets built the tie should obviously show only decorative stitching, if any, when it's being worn.
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Well I had no idea what a "CRAVAT" was so I looked it up. Rather nice I must say. ;)

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The last time someone tried giving me a home made tie I capped them in the ass.
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spot makes a note to look that up sometime and decide whether he'd enjoy it or not
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spot;975981 wrote: spot makes a note to look that up sometime and decide whether he'd enjoy it or not


Bullet cap rather than butt plug Spot:rolleyes:
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Chezzie;975984 wrote: Bullet cap rather than butt plug Spot:rolleyes:


http://www.cafepress.com/silverbullet.7887446?
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spot;975992 wrote: http://www.cafepress.com/silverbullet.7887446?


suits you sir....but your off course:D

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