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845. Another way to weaken the Euro (7/21/2014)

The energy supply of Europe is heavily dependent on Russia. About one third to 40% of its natural gas and oil are imported from Russia. One important gas pipe is inside Ukraine. If there is a turmoil in Ukraine, the gas supply to Europe will be affected. The economy of Europe would be weakened, so be the Euro. That’s why we saw an upheaval in Ukraine.

Ron Paul Defends Russia After Malaysian Plane Crash

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By Colin Campbell Jul 21, 2014,

One of those unreported things, Paul claimed in his weekly "Texas Straight Talk" column, was the United States' own responsibility for destabilizing the region. Ukraine is currently embroiled in violent conflict between the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian separatists.

"They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych.

Without US-sponsored 'regime change,' it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened," Paul wrote.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul- ... 31466.html


Here EU used to be a follower of the US. I think the Europeans have sensed the coming danger the US will bring to them. German is a major power of EU. Recently, German has twice revealed two US spy cases and eventually expelled a CIA intelligence official. That’s unusual.

Germany Demands Top U.S. Intelligence Officer Be Expelled

Posted 10 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

BERLIN — Germany’s relations with the United States plunged to a low point Thursday, with the government demanding the expulsion of the chief American intelligence official stationed here because, it said, Washington has refused to cooperate with German inquiries into United States intelligence activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world ... .html?_r=1


I would say German has sensed (or with its state ability, having the intelligence) that US would sacrifice European’s economy by creating a crisis in Europe. It could be terror attack; or war. The deportation of US intelligence official is just a warning or protest of disagreement. Several days later, Malaysia airliner MH17 was down in Ukraine.
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There's an old saying... "Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer".

When it comes to International Politics, everyone's watching everyone else. I have absolutely no doubt that Germany also has its spies in the US, UK, and everywhere else - as have we & every other country. In fact, identifying a spy can be quite a useful tool, as they can be fed loads of misinformation. It's the way of the world.

Whenever a Government wants to draw attention away from something else that they shouldn't be doing, it's common practice to expel a spy or 2 (whether they've actually been spying or not). Therefore, the real question is, "What is it they're trying to draw attention away from"?
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846. The divert flight path (7/28/2014)

Evidence shows that MH17 was arranged from its original flight path over to a war zone where it was shot down.

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

By 21st Century Wire Global Research, July 25, 2014

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path



A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.



Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.



As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag” | Global Research


Puppet Ukraine censored the air traffic control recordings.

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings

Security services confiscated tapes immediately after incident

by Paul Joseph Watson | July 22, 2014

Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Ukrainian security services confiscated the tapes immediately after the incident

» Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


The case is similar to the shooting down case of “KAL 007” 30 years ago. I talked about it at” 834. Small countries became sacrifice in US plots (5/23/2014)”

In 1983, a South Korea passenger airplane KAL 007 was shot down in Russia.

A few years ago, after former Soviet Union had collapsed, I came across with an analysis of that incident. The article said the Korean pilots couldn’t make such a big mistake to diverge the normal flight path. It alleged it was a plot that Pentagon used it to test air defense of Soviet Union. It was cold war time. I believe so. The original path was mostly over the ocean. The deviation track went over Kamchatka Peninsula. That is a big land. Pilots couldn’t miss it.

1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 Shot Down By Soviet Fighter Plane



1 September 1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 Shot Down By Soviet Fighter Plane
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katsung47;1460727 wrote: Here EU used to be a follower of the US. I think the Europeans have sensed the coming danger the US will bring to them.


Yes, but unfortunately Sweden and the UK are going in the opposite direction.
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This "21st Century Wire Global Research, July 25, 2014" looks extremely suspect to me. It cites the article as being "New Evidence", yet provides no actual hard ground evidence - merely a load of 2nd guesses, theories & suppositions. Note that the term "allegedly" & "probably" seem to pop up a lot in the report. Hardly "evidence".

It even states that the Direct Path taken by the flight was not unusual & was one preferred by pilots to same time, fuel & money - a purely commercial advantage. Yes, it states that clearance was given to take a Direct Path - 'Clearance', note. Not 'Diversion', which doesn't necessarily mean that this had anything to do with military intervention.

It states that the Ukranian Security Services confiscated the Flight Recorder Details. Huh? As I understand it the Flight Recorder (Black Box) was never found. Standard conversations are not transmitted, only recorded on the FR. Furthermore, if this was the case, what would be gained by the confiscation of it by the Ukranian Government? If it was the case that it provided evidence of it having been used for reconnaissance, then that would prove that they would have been justified in shooting it down, if that had been the case. Concealing any such recordings (of which there is no evidence that they actually exist, other than unsubstantiated rumour) would have absolutely no benefit at all.

Furthermore, technically Ukraine is not a War Zone, as war has not been declared.

"Conjuring up a storm?" Oh, come on. All sides have their own satellites which would clearly show evidence of weather conditions. If there had be no storm, our enemies would have been quick enough to say so. It's like the conspiracies that the Moon Landings never existed. Do you really think that Russia would not have been closely monitoring their progress during the peak of the Cold War, and even they never suggested that it never really happened.

I don't dispute that the U.S. may well have had an interest in running recon missions, but snapshots from a commercial airliner with be like comparing those taken from a mobile phone & a high precision camera. For such purposes the U.S. would been far more likely to use something like a Blackbird / Stealth plane for secrecy / security purposes, or merely a drone - as we are all aware, the most preferred method of military recon by far. Efficient, safe, high quality, cheap. The idea of co-opting a commercial flight isn't even plausible. If we were still living in the 50s, perhaps, but these days? Get real.

Bear in mind also, that the U.S. are on the side of the Official Ukraine Government, as they are not the aggressors. It's "those damned Commies again". The only ones that would be interested in covering anything up would be the Russians / Pro-Russian Rebels., as the Ukraines & their allies would have every right to recon their own country.
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FourPart;1461386 wrote: This "21st Century Wire Global Research, July 25, 2014" looks extremely suspect to me. It cites the article as being "New Evidence", yet provides no actual hard ground evidence - merely a load of 2nd guesses, theories & suppositions. Note that the term "allegedly" & "probably" seem to pop up a lot in the report. Hardly "evidence".

It even states that the Direct Path taken by the flight was not unusual & was one preferred by pilots to same time, fuel & money - a purely commercial advantage. Yes, it states that clearance was given to take a Direct Path - 'Clearance', note. Not 'Diversion', which doesn't necessarily mean that this had anything to do with military intervention.

It states that the Ukranian Security Services confiscated the Flight Recorder Details. Huh? As I understand it the Flight Recorder (Black Box) was never found. Standard conversations are not transmitted, only recorded on the FR. Furthermore, if this was the case, what would be gained by the confiscation of it by the Ukranian Government? If it was the case that it provided evidence of it having been used for reconnaissance, then that would prove that they would have been justified in shooting it down, if that had been the case. Concealing any such recordings (of which there is no evidence that they actually exist, other than unsubstantiated rumour) would have absolutely no benefit at all.

Furthermore, technically Ukraine is not a War Zone, as war has not been declared.

"Conjuring up a storm?" Oh, come on. All sides have their own satellites which would clearly show evidence of weather conditions. If there had be no storm, our enemies would have been quick enough to say so. It's like the conspiracies that the Moon Landings never existed. Do you really think that Russia would not have been closely monitoring their progress during the peak of the Cold War, and even they never suggested that it never really happened.

I don't dispute that the U.S. may well have had an interest in running recon missions, but snapshots from a commercial airliner with be like comparing those taken from a mobile phone & a high precision camera. For such purposes the U.S. would been far more likely to use something like a Blackbird / Stealth plane for secrecy / security purposes, or merely a drone - as we are all aware, the most preferred method of military recon by far. Efficient, safe, high quality, cheap. The idea of co-opting a commercial flight isn't even plausible. If we were still living in the 50s, perhaps, but these days? Get real.

Bear in mind also, that the U.S. are on the side of the Official Ukraine Government, as they are not the aggressors. It's "those damned Commies again". The only ones that would be interested in covering anything up would be the Russians / Pro-Russian Rebels., as the Ukraines & their allies would have every right to recon their own country.


Both Flight Data and Cockpit recorders were found and are in the hands of investigators.
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OK. I thought only the Technical Data one, monitoring the engines etc. was found.
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847. Puppets show to save the dollar (8/1/2014)

The MH17 crash was obviously an attempt to draw Europe into a war crisis in Ukraine. As a result, Euro goes down wards.

Ukraine Tensions See Euro Come off Boil



LONDON — Jul 22, 2014, 11:56 AM ET



By PAN PYLAS Associated Press

The euro fell Tuesday to its lowest level against the dollar this year amid concerns that the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 will prompt a bigger freeze in relations between the European Union and Russia.

The deterioration in relations between the two sides has worked against the euro, which is used by 18 EU countries. The crisis in Ukraine has given traders an opportunity to sell the euro, which had been at multiyear highs against the dollar despite the muted economic recovery in the eurozone and low interest rates.

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Russia wants buyers to abandon the dollar and use the Euro for its oil. Ukraine crisis forces traders to sell the Euro. That’s how US to save its dollar – by creating war crisis.

Moreover, there is a turmoil in Libya lately. Libya is an oil rich country. The upheaval there not only push up the oil price, but also hurt economy of European countries. It’s not a coincidence.

US Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

By Matthew Lee July 26, 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States shut down its embassy in Libya on Saturday and evacuated its diplomats to neighboring Tunisia under U.S. military escort amid a significant deterioration in security in Tripoli as fighting intensified between rival militias, the State Department said.

US Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes


When there were “dictators”, the media blew the trumpet for “democracy”, “color revolution”, “Arab spring”. After the fall of the dictatorship, what left over are all US assets: ISIS, Iraq’s Maliki puppet government, rival militias (include Al Qaida) in Libya. Now you rarely hear the angry cry for justice although those agents are more cruel than the “dictators” – they are bombing civilians; beheading P.O.W. and doing religious extinction. Because all those puppets are working for the same master.

The puppets now are acting war shows in Iraq, Libya and Ukraine(where only Russia is the real enemy), all for one purpose, to save the dollar from collapse.
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Hang on - when a currency is less in demand its value falls - as with any commodity.

When its in demand it rises. Therefore, by doing away with the dollar in favour of the Euro, the value of the Dollar would decrease & the Euro increase.

Why would America want to make this happen by initiating a war to make it happen?
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Euro and dollar are main reserve currency in the world. If Euro is strong, then dollar goes weak. What US does now is to weaken the Euro to save the dollar.

imaginethat argues,

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Russia is the world's largest exporter of oil. Any increase in the price of oil benefits Russia.


That’s true. But oil price is the fastest way to adjust the demand of the dollar. We saw then the Euro – an alternative to the dollar, is threatened.

Portugal bank crisis shakes investor confidence

By Brigitte HagemannJuly 10, 2014

Lisbon (AFP) - Fears over the health of Portugal's largest listed bank, Banco Espirito Santo, sent its shares into freefall Thursday, shaking stock markets in Lisbon and across Europe and even the Atlantic.

Portugal bank crisis shakes investor confidence


Euro is the reserve currency next to the dollar. When dollar is weak that oil buyers have to use Euros for payment to Russian oil, what if Euro’s value is threatened? Similar situation had acted four years ago when US had a financial crisis (the bankruptcy of Leman Brothers caused by sub-prime loan collapse), US resolved it by introducing the Greek financial crisis.

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis

By LOUISE STORY, LANDON THOMAS Jr. and NELSON D. SCHWARTZ



Published: February 13, 2010

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/busin ... c=rss&_r=0


If the high oil price would benefit enemy Russia, then US has to dig into the foundation of ally’s wallet. Last time the ignition was Greece, this time it is Portugal.
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The best solution all round is to focus on alternative, renewable fuel resources. That way the demand for oil goes down & the price for it goes down accordingly.
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German also were hit in two crush cases of Malaysia planes. I have said Malaysia was targeted because it keeps a friendship with China while China is a covert enemy of the US. In #845, I talked about German had sensed that E.U. was provoked by the US for a covert war with Russia. German is unwilling to follow the US instruction. It expelled the CIA Chief from the German as a protest.

Then a Chinese forum offered an information how Malaysia and German were hurt by heavy insurance loss in the two incidents. The insurance company of Malaysia Airline is a Germany.

1. MH370

German insurance company Allianz says it has made initial payments in connection with the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.

Allianz’s global head of communication Hugo Kidston confirmed Wednesday that the Munich-based insurer and “other co-reinsurers of Malaysia Airlines aviation hull and liability policy have made initial payments.”

Insurance Payments Made in Malaysian Airlines Disappearance.


2.. MH17

Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle

By Enda Curran Updated July 18, 2014

German insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty is the lead reinsurer of the Malaysia Airlines plane for its so-calleded hull and liability policy, according to a report from insurance broker Aon PLC, which valued the plane itself at $97.3 million.

Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle - WSJ


The comment said, “German was shot even it was laying on the ground”.
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The problem with Conspiracy Theorists is that they're like Religious Crusaders. They make something up & go out of their way to find any slightest thing that might come close to ratifying their theories, regardless of the overwhelming logic & evidence to the contrary.

So, a Malaysian plane gets shot down by Pro Russian Rebels as it flies into Ukrainian Airspace, taking a legitimate shortcut. The Conspiracist Theory is that the CIA engineered the whole thing in order to bring Malaysia into a war with Russia & China - likewise with Germany. There is no evidence to this whatsoever. There is no motive whatsoever. The last thing the American Government would want is to have Russia & China teaming up together against them. After all, statistically speaking, 1 person in 3 in the world population is Chinese. Then they would end up having North Korea joining up with Russia & China, and we have the 50s all over again.

The Yanks may be power mad, but not to the point of being suicidal. Besides, even if they DID have some sort of hidden agenda, why should they waste resources on covert activities, which might not even have the desired effect, when their history has shown that they have no qualms about walking into someone else's country, guns blazing, in total defiance of U.N. rulings.
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That's why I just smile, and nod, and then walk away, most of the time.

It's like trying to carry on a conversation with the Schizophrenic Street Denizen. You just get them all excited.
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The Chart Obama Does Not Want Merkel To See

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/02/2014



Since sanctions began the plunge in Euro-Area PMIs has been commensurate with the rise in Russia's (oh and according to survey-data, US is as good as it has ever been)...

The Chart Obama Does Not Want Merkel To See | Zero Hedge
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That's why US is so interested in Ukraine war.

Ukraine crisis dents European business activity

By PAN PYLAS 9/3/2014

(AP) — On the day that the outlook for the European economy may have become a bit brighter amid hopes of a cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, a closely watched survey Wednesday showed the extent to which the crisis in the country has weighed on business confidence across the continent.

Ukraine crisis dents European business activity

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