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We all know now that the mobile phone story from that plane was impossible.

I do not believe that THAT particular plane crashed THEN.

Has anyone ever investgated Ted Olson's doings after his wife disappeared ?

Like going through his garbage, check his bank account(s) and phone bills, where to did he travel, hack his computer(s), whatever ?

? :confused:

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Retchingdog;644525 wrote: We all know now that the mobile phone story from that plane was impossible.



I do not believe that THAT particular plane crashed THEN.



Has anyone ever investgated Ted Olson's doings after his wife disappeared ?

Like going through his garbage, check his bank account(s) and phone bills, where to did he travel, hack his computer(s), whatever ?



? :confused:



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Gee wizz...... Was she the ONLY one on that plane?

Maybe we need to go through all these peoples garbage also (below)?



You make me sick.

Your hinting that the plane landed and never crashed into the pentagon...HUH? You suggest Ted Olson killed her. HUH?

I bet George Bush was involved too.HUH?

I bet you also say President Bush is dumb a chimp too huh??



If he is that dumb...... Tell us ALL and these grieving families how he and MR Olson got rid of ALL these bodies:



AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77



American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.







CREW





Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.









PASSENGERS





Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

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Again I say.............





YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!
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BTS;716337 wrote: YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!You shouldn't have a government that kills people like hogs in a slaughterhouse. How do you consolidate power? You invent a foreign enemy to generate domestic fear. What you're holding in your hand there is a list of victims of your criminally corrupt government. That's your Reichstag fire.
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spot;716561 wrote: You shouldn't have a government that kills people like hogs in a slaughterhouse. How do you consolidate power? You invent a foreign enemy to generate domestic fear. What you're holding in your hand there is a list of victims of your criminally corrupt government. That's your Reichstag fire.
So, spot-on-deek-weed............My criminally corrupt government killed ALL these victims.....like hogs in a slaughterhouse..... (see hogs BELOW)

Show me and the WORLD... HOW it was done!!!!!!!!:confused: (I love a GOOD YARN)

Now remember the BUSHies you despise are dumb as chimps in your mind now.

Again, show me (us) how my criminally corrupt government killed ALL these victims..........

And mind you this is ONLY one Plane!!!!!!!!!

Where are the OTHERS????????



AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77



American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.







CREW





Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.









PASSENGERS





Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng
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James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
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Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
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Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.
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spot :

Tell her parents how she is like a hog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or better yet tell them how my "criminally corrupt government" slaughtered her...... 'like a hog......"



Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
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I quit spot...........as I believe I made my point.

Until you show me PROOF that these innocents were killed by the Bushies........... as you suppose.

Eat my 4 day old shorts.:yh_flag
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BTS;716802 wrote: So, spot-on-deek-weed............My criminally corrupt government killed ALL these victims.....like hogs in a slaughterhouse..... (see hogs BELOW)

Show me and the WORLD... HOW it was done!!!!!!!!:confused: (I love a GOOD YARN)

Now remember the BUSHies you despise are dumb as chimps in your mind now.

Again, show me (us) how my criminally corrupt government killed ALL these victims..........

And mind you this is ONLY one Plane!!!!!!!!!

Where are the OTHERS????????
There are four things I'm certain of.

One is that, despite official claims to the contrary, no cellphone calls were made from any of the four planes, because cellphone calls from those planes was a technical impossibility. That in its own right is a guarantee of clandestine official US involvement in the desired catastrophic and catalyzing New Pearl Harbor event.

The second is that, despite official claims to the contrary, WTC7 didn't collapse as a result of damage by plane or shock or fire. It was demolished by explosive charges which can't possibly have been laid on the day itself. That in its own right is also a guarantee of clandestine official US involvement in the desired catastrophic and catalyzing New Pearl Harbor event.

The third is that the outer breach of the C ring in the Pentagon wasn't a result of Flight 77 hitting the building, that the FBI wittingly gave false evidence to cover that up, and that whatever hit the Pentagon wasn't being flown by a novice handling a jet for the first time. That in its own right is a also a guarantee of clandestine official US involvement in the desired catastrophic and catalyzing New Pearl Harbor event.

My final claim is that the actions of the Presidential Security Detail after the second WTC tower was damaged were incomprehensible unless they had prior instructions by those who knew in advance of the events taking place. That in its own right is a also a guarantee of clandestine official US involvement in the desired catastrophic and catalyzing New Pearl Harbor event.

I'm quite sure we'll all know eventually how your criminally corrupt government killed all those victims. I've no idea of the mechanics of the exercise. I do know the motive, I know who benefited, I know who was responsible and I know that the citizens of the US won't put up with Presidential Pardons when the how comes out into the open.
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in the US the people who believe 9/11 was a conspiracy are also the ones who are driving around with the "re-elect Gore" bumper stickers.

:rolleyes: :wah:

I'm just sayin'..................
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Et tu, Brute?

I thought the official line was that it was a conspiracy by a bunch of irate Saudis.
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BTS, you've gone quiet. Talk to us.

Here's two sets of interviews with what I take to be genuine eye-witnesses of the destruction at the Pentagon. The people interviewed seem quite uncontroversial, they include three people who were at the gas station, three residents on the flightpath and a local businessman. Two of the gas station people are local police sergeants. None of them would appear to be lying in the slightest.

You'll remember that a number of streetlights ended up damaged and their location lines up with the Pentagon damage through the three rings. The interviews all put the plane's approach on a quite different line which can't possibly account for the destruction. If you watch them I'd be interested to hear your answer to the question - are they all lying? Could Flight 77 have destroyed the streetlights? If you think it could, how many planes do you think were flying at rooftop height within a mile of the Pentagon, lined up on the point of explosion, in those few seconds before the bang?

These aren't conspiracy discussions, they're eye-witness interviews.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4237574426

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2877158021
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spot on said:(emphasis BTS)

"I'm quite sure we'll all know eventually how your criminally corrupt government killed all those victims. I've no idea of the mechanics of the exercise. I do know the motive, I know who benefited, I know who was responsible and I know that the citizens of the US won't put up with Presidential Pardons when the how comes out into the open.

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KOOOOL

Show me with FACTS who was responsible because all your other MUMBO JUMBO is not jiving.



I say:

If you were a prosecutor you would not get past the grand jury with your piff!!!!!!



Prove who did it spot (was responsible ), and I will step aside.

I promise.



I feel for you as you want SO to take your hated BUSHIES out of office but this is never gonna fly.





I will go back to the jest o the thread.



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spot, do you think Bush had her killed and all the others on all the planes?

Is so.....WOW!
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spot;717676 wrote:



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4237574426



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2877158021


Watching now spot.......1 hr 21 min ......

Might be tomorrow to reply

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BTS;717685 wrote: I will go back to the jest o the thread.



"Where is Barbara Olson ?"



spot, do you think Bush had her killed and all the others on all the planes?

Is so.....WOW!
You do keep harping on about Bush. He's a totally irrelevant frontman. I doubt if he gets told anything. Who'd entrust secrets to a git like that?

I'm glad you're watching the interviews.

Is Barbara Olson dead? Of course she's dead. She never went near the Pentagon on 9/11 though.
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[quote=spot;717688]You do keep harping on about Bush. He's a totally irrelevant frontman. I doubt if he gets told anything. Who'd entrust secrets to a git like that?



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So tell us OH SWaMIE.............

Who is in charge of killing all these people?
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BTS;717689 wrote: So tell us OH SWaMIE.............

Who is in charge of killing all these people?
The Project for the New American Century, a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

And a dreadful bunch of people they are too.

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions".

You wanted a list of names? Here's a few obvious contenders without having to strain hard... Stephen Cambone, I. Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, John Negroponte, Stephen Hadley, Newt Gingrich, R. James Woolsey, Richard Armitage, Richard Clarke, Elliott Abrams, Oliver North, Richard Cheney, George Tenet, David Boren, John Bolton, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Eliot Cohen, John Poindexter and, for all his disagreement about strategy, Brent Scowcroft.

At heart they're not trying to steal the Middle East, they're trying to steal the USA.
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Oh Bologna! Just to put my two cents in...I really don't think your Amercian Commision for the new Century or whatever you call it is responsible for those attacks...where do you get your information?
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So tell us OH SWaMIE.............

Who is in charge of killing all these people?





spot;717692 wrote:



You wanted a list of names? Here's a few obvious contenders without having to strain hard... Stephen Cambone, I. Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, John Negroponte, Stephen Hadley, Newt Gingrich, R. James Woolsey, Richard Armitage, Richard Clarke, Elliott Abrams, Oliver North, Richard Cheney, George Tenet, David Boren, John Bolton, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Eliot Cohen, John Poindexter and, for all his disagreement about strategy, Brent Scowcroft.



At heart they're not trying to steal the Middle East, they're trying to steal the USA.




Golly gee wizzzzzzzzzzz.... spot-on...

Now I (we) know who killed all these people........



IMFO All I see is a bunch of ONE Worlders. Not KILLERS......
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spot;717692 wrote: The Project for the New American Century, a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.




So the US does not need military strength nor should they (we) be diplomats nor have morals?

Did I get that right?
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BTS;717712 wrote: Golly gee wizzzzzzzzzzz.... spot-on...

Now I (we) know who killed all these people........



IMFO All I see is a bunch of ONE Worlders. Not KILLERS......The idea that the listed people are one-worlders is new to me, I've never seen that suggested before. I thought they were all American Supremacists myself. As for "not killers" you'd have a hard time maintaining that, they've killed more people than anyone else alive between them if you add up the deaths. Or do foreigners not count in a supremacist world-view?
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BTS;717714 wrote: So the US does not need military strength nor should they (we) be diplomats nor have morals?

Did I get that right?What it needs is a criminal investigation and a trial.

I'm more than content that the US should continue to allocate over half of its government spending on the military, I object only to projecting it beyond its national borders just as I'd object to any other country projecting military force beyond its national borders. Many countries, one rule, no exceptions.

Diplomacy would be fine if you could manage it, a degree of give-and-take consensus building would go a long way.

Morals would be too much to hope for at the level of national politics, for some reason none of the Christian virtues are meant to translate to government policy - I never quite understood why that should be the case but it undoubtedly is.
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drumbunny1;717709 wrote: where do you get your information?I'm wondering which "information" you're asking about here. I've put up several notions so far.

There's the two video clips of interviews with eye-witnesses as to the direction of approach of the plane which was near the Pentagon when the first three rings were breached. Those I take to be factual first-hand information. In their own right they give the direct lie to the official claim that Flight 77 hit the building. Street lights were brought down that weren't hit by the plane which was seen, somebody did that who knew the building was about to be damaged. The angle of the destruction differs from the angle of approach so it wasn't the plane which was seen by the witnesses that caused the damage. Would you like to start with those bits?

The cellphone calls (as opposed to the onboard air phone calls) are discussed at - I take the first google-hit - http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html and I don't even go near the nonsense of reverse-charge calls being placed from any phones at all in flight. Nobody can maintain cellphone calls from a commercial airliner above - let's pick an arbitrary height that these planes were all above at the time the calls were claimed - a mile, unless the date happens to be 9/11/01. "Let's roll" is Hollywood bunkum.

WTC7 coming down is the extreme instance of the New York impossibilities. It wasn't hit, it was the furthest of the WTC building complex from the towers and it came down at a speed only demolition charges account for. Fire damage takes out all four corners simultaneously allowing a drop into the building's footprint? Yet more Hollywood bunkum. 9/11 is scripted fiction, not physics. How many steel-frame buildings have ever collapsed for any reason other than deliberate demolition in the entire history of steel-frame buildings? None at all unless the date happens to be 9/11/01.

As for the Presidential Security Detail leaving the Head of State exposed in a school classroom when the nation's supposedly under terrorist attack, I'm not even advancing it as information at all, I'm merely curling my toes at the embarrassment of it. By all means pick holes in the other stuff though.
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So what about the family and friends that recieved those calls? Just crazy? I can understand some of your points spot....for they are good "theories" but I believe thats all they are...I do know that a group of hateful men hijacked those planes and flew them into a building killing 3,000 some odd innocent, fellow countrymen...and I don't believe it was done by my government...until the President or a high ranking government official comes out and says "hey guys...we did it" I personally won't believe it....I'm also impressed by how much you have obviously researced the US government and the 9/11 attacks...you seem to know a lot about them! :D
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It isn't a matter of faith or belief, drumbunny1, it's solely a matter of logic. Any one of the points I've mentioned can only have happened with inside government assistance.

You bring up phone calls to "family and friends", tell me what you think they consist of. How many family and friends spoke directly that day to someone, as far as you remember? I'm interested to know what impression people have picked up over the years. Let's discuss the phone calls here, it's as good a place as any to begin unravelling things.
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The article on the phone calls like I said...were good theories....but to me its as concrete as saying Elvis Presley is still alive because no one cashed in his life insurance policy...He must still be alive! There is no actual PROOF....your logic comes from internet bias internet articles and media....so thats all I was saying...is all I know for sure is that a plane DID crash into that building and killed all those people...
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drumbunny1;718536 wrote: The article on the phone calls like I said...were good theories....but to me its as concrete as saying Elvis Presley is still alive because no one cashed in his life insurance policy...He must still be alive! There is no actual PROOF....your logic comes from internet bias internet articles and media....so thats all I was saying...is all I know for sure is that a plane DID crash into that building and killed all those people...


It would seem to me that you're making as much of a faith-based statement as you accuse me of using. What's faith-based about saying you can't make a cellphone call from a 400mph jetliner over a mile high in the sky? Base stations just can't do that. It's simple enough to test. People have tested it. It would strain any reasonable common sense to think base-stations could switch a cellphone from one tower to the next from that range at that speed without dropping the call, even if they could pick up so faint a signal for a moment in the first place. The Elvis position is "the government assumes it can be done and governments don't lie", common sense says it's drivel. Experiments say it's drivel. Reality isn't like Hollywood and the 9/11 story is as full of holes as a Swiss cheese. You only need to find one hole to know it's Swiss.

So what about the family and friends that recieved those calls? How many family and friends spoke directly that day to someone they were related to, as far as you remember?
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Okay, the phone calls, what I got from your article is nothing truly conclusive....I read that the cell phone calls....while rare, COULD happen....even if just a fluke...I did not see anything that says absolutly impossible...end of story...didn't happen. But I want to know is how you think the government is connected through this cell phone story..even if people did not contact through cell phones...they contacted through the airplane phones...so contact was made!!! I'm a bit confused about what exactly your point is on the cell phones...
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It's not that if even one phone call could have come from the planes then everything's fine, it's that if even one phone call couldn't have come from the planes then everything's fraudulent. If everything's fraudulent then a bunch of Saudis can't have done it, it has to be a bunch of insiders who can manipulate the subsequent investigation.

Yes, onboard air phone calls are possible. Cell phone calls aren't possible. Multiplying more and more "once in a blue moon maybe" odds isn't a reasonable way of producing a convincing case. The point about cell phones is that many of the calls were claimed to have been made on cell phones and some of them couldn't possibly have been made from onboard air phones. They don't have onboard air phones in aircraft washrooms, for example. Some of the people receiving the calls also said that they knew who the calls were from because caller ID identified that call as coming from a cellphone number that was in their phone list. You don't get that from an onboard air phone.

What you said earlier, though, which is quite a different matter, was "what about the family and friends that recieved those calls?" asking, I presume, whether so many friends and relatives could be fooled that so many phone calls were coming from people they knew. I asked you, because I'm interested to know the answer, how many family and friends spoke directly that day to someone they were related to as far as you remember? Even a guess would be interesting.
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More to the point, you wild bike-riding Marlon Brando wannabe, has anyone watched the two eye-witness videos yet?
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Phone Call Detail

Detailed Account of Phone Calls From September 11th Flights

The following tables summarize the data contained in Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit number P200055. 1

Flight 93

Name and document Todd Beamer Mark Bingham Sandra Bradshaw Marion Britton Thomas Burnett Joseph DeLuca Edward Felt Jeremy Glock Lauren Grandcolas Linda Gronlund CeeCee Lyles Waleska Martinez Honor Wainio Flight Attendant Speed Dial Calls Flight Attendant Speed Dial Calls Phone Calls Seating

Flight 11

Name and document Betty Ong Madeline Sweeney Mohamed Atta Unknown Callers Phone Calls Seating

Flight 175

Name and document Brian Sweeney Garnet 'Ace' Bailey Hanson Family Flight Attendant Speed Dial Calls Phone Calls Seating

Flight 77

Name and document Renee May Barbara Olson Unknown Callers Phone Calls Seating

References

1. United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui, Exhibit Number P200055, vaed.uscourts.gov,
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BTS - all of the links I've tried from your post go to :-

http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/welcome.html

The site describes itself as :-

9/11 Research is a leading website exposing the complicity of insiders in the horrific crimes of September 11, 2001. On its pages you will find thoroughly sourced reporting, a comprehensive archive of evidence, and scientific analysis of the 9/11/01 attack and its aftermath.

Is this what you intended?
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BTS is trying to link to all of the graphics contained in a 27MB download from the Prosecution Trial Exhibits of United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui. The file contains a flashcard for each passenger and crew member who was reported to have made a phone call from one of the four planes under discussion:Summary from Flight 93 depicting: the identity of pilots and flight attendants, seat assignments of passengers, and telephone calls from the flight [Listener discretion is advised. This exhibit also includes information about the other three flights hijacked on September 11]

The links are all taken from here where clicking each shows the underlying Prosecution Exhibit pictures correctly.

BTS, you're not commenting on the impossible scenario of multiple cellphone (as opposed to onboard air phone) calls from planes in flight across a rural setting at anything from a mile up to cruising altitude. The prosecution case didn't discuss that either. The Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit insists, for example, that only 2 people of those making the 37 calls from the 12 people on Flight 93 who are reported to have made calls were on cellphones as opposed to airphones and that's very much in contradiction to the testimony of those why received them. There's a lot of back-tracking gone on regarding the type of phone used culminating in that figure. Deena Burnett reported recognizing the source from Caller ID. Lorne Lyles recognized the source from Caller ID. Edward Felt called from the restroom where there was no airphone. Tom Burnett supposedly called from an altitude of 40,700 feet, taking the flight recorder file to be correct.

May I put a further small and speculative point about the Emperor's new clothes here? There are 266 passengers listed on those four flights. Of these, 10 are reported to have made calls from flight 93, 3 from flight 175, 0 from flight 11 and 1 from flight 77. That's 14 passengers making calls out of 266. There were 8 simultaneous airphone lines out of each plane and more handsets than passengers. All of the passengers were aware that the planes had been hijacked. Is it remotely conceivable that the other 252 passengers would, in such circumstances, sit there like sheep for half an hour without calling home and describing what had happened? They're all on planes with an airphone beside them at their seat (or the seat they'd been moved to, if they'd been moved), they all had credit cards with them - do you fly without a credit card in your pocket? - all the planes supposedly had their airphones working and connected to the system throughout the flights and everyone aboard in the story we're handed had half an hour to admire the view out of the window after the hijacks. 252 passengers out of 266 made no phone calls? Come on, what sort of world do you live in if you can swallow that. This simple blatant plot folly if nothing else should be the wake-up moment when you realize that you watched a Hollywood script being played out with no depth to it. What can you fall back on? "The hijackers wouldn't let them"? None of the alleged calls mentioned hijackers being anywhere other than on the flight deck. Where are the missing 252 calls?

You're also not commenting on the eye-witness videos you were going to watch.
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BTS? You were about to comment on that last post?
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