The Virginia Tech Massacre, April 16th, 2007 A Step In Removing USA Gun Rights

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Bill Sikes;597896 wrote: That's ok. You win. It's OK to win, you know. Bye!


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One method of creating "Human robots" is to induce a state of mind known as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).

This involves compartmentalising a persons mind into a series of programmed personalities, each of which is triggered by a word, sentence, sound or action. Each compartment of the mind is unconnected to the others. So one minute you are operating in a certain personality, and the next, after the trigger word or action, you lock into another.

Its like moving a dial on the radio and picking up another station. Whats more, unless you are skillfully deprogrammed, you don't remember anything as the dial keeps moving. But even this technique is primitive compared with some of the latest methods that are said to be used.

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The people who have received methods of mind control programming can be used for many things, such as when they can be activated to carry out assassinations.

This is one reason why so many assassinations are performed by people with the same mental profile - the so called lone nutters. They would be neither alone nor, in most cases, insane if they were allowed to live in their natural state of mind. The ones that are programmed beings, are often bred for such a role since childhood.

One method used for instance, is to plant a terrorist bomb and ensure that the person you want to be blamed for it is in the right place at the right time for him to be accused and charged with the outrage. It is also said to be possible to program that persons mind while in custody to ensure that they even think that he or she was involved.

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We have also seen a spate of "lone nutters" in a number of countries who commit mass murder by going apparently crazy with guns.

In the United Kingdom they have had horrific examples of this in the little towns of Hungerford in Berkshire and Dunblane in Scotland. A so called "lone-nutter" named Thomas Hamilton walked into a school in Dunblane and opened fire on little children in the gymnasium. The affect on the collective psyche of hundreds of millions of people across the world, especially, of course, in the UK, was devastating. Shortly after that came the massacre in Port Arthur, there came an incident in a small town in Tasmania, Australia, where another lone gunmen went crazy. This was followed in England by a guy attacking children and their teachers with a machete at a school in Wolverhampton.

What goes on here? Look at the profiles of such people. They have a background of being a bit strange or simple - not the full quid as neighbours described the Port Arthur killer, Martin Bryant. This is perfect when you want them and their horrors to be dismissed as the work of a "lone nutter."

In Bryants case he had just returned from a two week stay in the United States when he went beserk with his gun. People close to him said his character had changed after he came back from the US. It has been shown that terrorist groups like the IRA have what they call sleepers, people who lie low unused for years, even decades, until circumstances arrive in which they and their cover can be exploited for a particular task. It is basically the same in this world of mindcontrol.

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In the cases of the mind-controlled-slaves, or "sleepers", there are people who can be programmed to live in the community with a certain character profile until the time comes when they can be used. They are known in the trade as "dead eyes." They have no idea that they are being used in this way because they are not in control of their minds, but their programmers are.

Now if what is being said there is true, then we are in deep trouble, because if so many of those in power want control over every aspect of our lives, and they want a defenseless population, than how can they go about enforcing their laws?

They would need problem-reaction-solution scenerios and they would be more than happy to create the problem because...THEY ARE SICK PEOPLE WITH AN AGENDA.

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America is being used as a tool to perpetuate this system, and people need to take a stand immediately if they want to retain their freedoms.

Where do you suggest I stand and should I pack a lunch ?

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Nomad;598185 wrote: America is being used as a tool to perpetuate this system, and people need to take a stand immediately if they want to retain their freedoms.

Where do you suggest I stand and should I pack a lunch ?


Well, what I suggest personally is keeping a tab on these bastards who are intent on taking away all Gun rights from US citizens and watch all the little steps that they take to do so.

This issue "Gun Control" is one of the most important issues of all for American families. And...I don't see any American lying down and taking it when the time comes to protect our constitutional rights.

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The media has started to push the anti-gun talking points:

ABCNews.com Jumps to Push Gun Control; On TV Tapper Notes Greater Access Option

Posted by Brent Baker on April 16, 2007 - 20:25.

Monday afternoon ABCNews.com was quick to put up a speculative posting, without any real knowledge of what the shooter used, headlined, “Lapse of Federal Law Allows Sale of Large Ammo Clips” (NewsBusters item), and a bit later ABCNews.com posted an interactive poll with a very leading question: “Do you think this incident is a reason to pass stricter gun control legislation?” But in a World News story, while Jake Tapper highlighted calls for stricter gun laws, he also gave equal time to calls “for greater access to guns” so people can protect themselves and he undermined ABC's idle ammo clip posting by pointing out how since “politicians don't necessarily know the details” of what really occurred, “they don't know whether any laws were broken or any loopholes need to be closed.”

Tapper also discredited the assumption of the unscientific ABCNews.com poll, citing how a Gallup survey found the public is “more inclined to blame these incidents on the ways parents raise their children or on popular culture than on the availability of guns.”

After recalling how following the Columbine shooting, then-President Bill Clinton “called for the Republican-controlled Congress to close the loophole. It did not, which still angers Marjorie Lindholm, at the time a Sophomore at Columbine,” Tapper pointed out how “a massacre in Texas in 1991 prompted a complete opposite reaction -- for greater access to guns” since a patron at the restaurant had to leave her gun in her car “so as not to violate the law against carrying a gun in public.”

Neither the CBS Evening News (at least in the first half of its one-hour broadcast, DC's CBS affiliate did not carry the second half), or the NBC Nightly News devoted a story to gun control or other remedies.

A “The Blotter” blog, run by ABC's investigative unit led by Brian Ross, at 2:30pm EDT posted: “Lapse of Federal Law Allows Sale of Large Ammo Clips.” An excerpt:

High capacity ammo clips became widely available for sale when Congress failed to renew a law that banned assault weapons....

Virginia law enforcement officials have not identified the weapon used in the shootings today at Virginia Tech, but gun experts say the number of shots fired indicate, at the very least, that the gunman had large quantities of ammunition.

"When you have a weapon that can shoot off 20, 30 rounds very quickly, you're going to have a lot more injuries," said Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

The ABCNews.com home page, by late afternoon, asked: “As Seen on World News: Is Shooting Grounds for Gun Control?” Clicking on the link launched an interactive pop-up:

There are 33 confirmed dead in the shooting at Virginia Tech University, making it the worst campus shooting in American history. Law enforcement officials believe the gunman was firing at least two 9mm semi-automatic pistols.

Do you think this incident is a reason to pass stricter gun control legislation?

- Yes. This shows the violence that can occur when someone has access to handguns.

- No. Violent shootings are isolated incidents and it's irresponsible to link them to gun control.

- I'm not sure. I need more information.



Tapper's story on the April 16 World News:

“Gun violence on a campus, a reminder of that grim morning at Columbine High School eight years ago this week. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others, before turning the guns on themselves that day. A public outcry followed. Violent video games and movies were blamed, as were goth culture, heavy metal music and bullying. Then-President Bill Clinton pushed for stricter gun control. Harris and Klebold bought their guns at a gun show, which are exempt from federal background check laws. So, Clinton called for the Republican-controlled Congress to close the loophole. It did not, which still angers Marjorie Lindholm, at the time a Sophomore at Columbine.”

Marjorie Lindholm, former Columbine student: “We're the ones who can change this and nothing's changed since Columbine. You know, and it does make me sick. It makes me physically ill.”

Tapper: “A massacre in Texas in 1991 prompted a complete opposite reaction -- for greater access to guns. At a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, a gunman came in and killed 23 people. Suzanna Hupp who survived the attack, had left her handgun in her car, so as not to violate the law against carrying a gun in public. Convinced her parents might still be alive if she'd had her gun with her, Hupp led the change the law to allow Texans to carry concealed weapons. Whatever remedies they seek, Americans regularly react with revulsion to shootings such as today's, but so far these types of crimes have not fundamentally altered public opinion on guns. Polls show Americans support stricter gun control, but they are more inclined to blame these incidents on the ways parents raise their children [45% in Gallup poll shown on screen] or on popular culture [26%] than on the availability of guns [21%], a sentiment then-Governor Bush expressed in a presidential debate in 2000.”

Bush, October 11, 2000: “There seems to be a lot of preoccupation, not necessarily in this debate, butn just in general on law. But there's a larger law, love your neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself.”

Tapper: “Americans seem skeptical, Charlie, that the evil intentions or actions of one man can necessarily be prevented by laws.”

Charles Gibson: “Jake, it's going to be some time in coming, I suspect, as we get reaction from law enforcement people around the country and from legislators about this. But has there been immediate reaction today?”

Tapper: “Nothing, in terms of any calls for action. People, politicians, don't necessarily know the details yet. They don't know whether any laws were broken or any loopholes need to be closed. So right now, there's just been an outpouring of sympathy and support.”

http://newsbusters.org/node/12075

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WashPost Channels European Disgust at Tech Shooting: What Price Gun Rights?

Posted by Tim Graham on April 17, 2007 - 08:08.



The easiest place to find disgust at American gun laws in Tuesday's Washington Post was in Kevin Sullivan's roundup of international reaction from London. The headline was "Shock, Sympathy, And Denunciation Of U.S. Gun Laws: British Newspaper Asks, 'What Price the Right to Bear Arms?'"

One British expert even claimed you could easily buy automatic weapons along with your yogurt and bologna at the supermarket:

"I think the reason it happens in America is there's access to weapons -- you can go into a supermarket and get powerful automatic weapons," Keith Ashcroft, a psychologist, told the Press Association. Ashcroft said he believed such access, along with a culture that makes gun ownership seem normal, increases the likelihood of such attacks in the United States.

Guns and butter? That might be true of a big chain store like a Target or Wal-Mart that has both, but "supermarket" isn't usually the term that comes to mind then. I can't buy an automatic weapon at the local Safeway. The psychologist's comment was preceded by this sentence: "In Britain, there was shock at the scale of the killings, but many people said they were not surprised, seeing the United States as a nation obsessed with guns, where firearms are easy to obtain." The article chronicled European disgust:

Early editions of Tuesday's London papers were dominated by huge headlines and photos of police hauling the wounded out of a building at Virginia Tech. "Executed at Uni," said the Daily Mirror, using British slang for university. The Daily Mail's headline, meanwhile, asked, "What price the right to bear arms?"

Gun ownership is strictly regulated in Britain. The Home Office, which is in charge of public safety, said gun crime accounts for less than half a percent of all crime recorded by police, according to the Press Association.

In a special report on BBC 24 Monday evening, a commentator, Gavin Hewitt, said mass murder on school campuses had become "part of the American landscape." The network showed video footage of Columbine High School in Colorado and the Amish shooting in Pennsylvania, and noted that the powerful U.S. gun lobby had blocked gun restrictions that Europeans regard as simple common sense. "Even after today's horrific tragedy, laws are unlikely to change," Hewitt said.

In France, news of the shootings dominated the Web pages of every major French newspaper. Bloggers responding to the reports overwhelmingly blamed the tragedy on what they called lax American rules on gun ownership.

"In France, it is incomprehensible for us to understand what could prompt someone to own a handgun," a blogger identified as Aliosha wrote on the Web site of the daily newspaper Liberation, adding that it is "the right (almost the duty) for each American to be able to obtain a weapon without much trouble."

I wonder if The Washington Post ever looks at a European social trend and interviews Americans to denounce how backwards the English or the French are for their laws. Or does the liberal press just aim to design a one-way street of denunciation to the American cavemen who have yet to adopt European laws wholesale?

http://newsbusters.org/node/12081

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MSNBC's David Shuster Promises to Examine Gun Policies That 'Enabled' Killer

Posted by Geoffrey Dickens on April 17, 2007 - 17:22.



Substitute hosting for Chris Matthews on last night's Hardball it didn't take long for David Shuster to bring up the specter of gun control in the wake of the Virginia Tech shooting. Shuster indicated that gun policies actually "enabled" the shooter to obtain his "weapons of choice." The following was Shuster's intro for the April 16th edition of "Hardball."

David Shuster: "At this hour, investigators are still trying to piece together what happened this morning on the Virginia Tech campus. Tonight, we will tell you everything we've learned about the killer's motive. We will bring you the most gripping interviews we have seen today from students who witnessed the rampage and tried to block the killer's path. And you will hear live from witnesses who saw the aftermath. Many questions are lingering tonight about the response by campus police, warnings to Virginia Tech students, even gun policies that enabled the killer to get his hands on his weapons of choice. But we start tonight with a campus community was rocked to its core and asking the question, why us?"

Due to live coverage of a press conference and interviews with guest about the events of the day that was the only mention of gun policy on the show but somehow I think Hardball will find the time in future editions to hit the gun control angle.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12101

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Time's Tumulty: Gore's Gun Licensing Idea Was 'Modest'

Posted by Ken Shepherd on April 18, 2007 - 00:34.



Lamenting how Democrats have lost their penchant for fierce advocacy of new gun control laws, Time's Karen Tumulty described as "modest" former Vice President Al Gore's stance on gun control in his 2000 campaign in an April 17 post at her magazine's "Swampland" blog.:

...in talking to Democrats on Capitol Hill, I'm picking up no enthusiasm for a cause that many have deemed a political loser. Al Gore's relatively modest proposal in the wake of Columbine for licensing gun owners (as opposed to the more radical one of registering their guns) is still widely believed to have been a factor in costing him the election, losing him votes that he might otherwise have goten from, for instance, gun-owning union members.

Making people apply for a license to exercise a constitutional right is "modest"? I doubt Tumulty would see things that way were she to have to get permission from the government to exercise her freedom of the press.

Here's what Gore said in the October 11, 2000, presidential debate on the matter:

MODERATOR: All right. So on guns, somebody wants to cast a vote based on your differences, where are the differences?

GORE: Well, I'm not for registration. I am for licensing by states of new handgun purchases.

MODERATOR: What's that mean?

GORE: A photo license I.D. like a driver's license for new handguns and, you know, the Los Angeles --

MODERATOR: Excuse me, you would have to get the license -- a photo I.D. to go in and before you could buy the gun?

GORE: Correct.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12109

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Despite Rise in Gun Crime in Britain, ABC News Trumpets UK's Handgun Ban

Posted by Brent Baker on April 23, 2007 - 02:36



World News Sunday continued ABC's gun control crusade, devoting its “A Closer Look” segment to how after the 1996 school shooting in Dunblane, Scotland, Great Britain virtually banned handguns, suggesting it's worth emulating. But though reporter David Wright conceded, in the middle of his story, that “gun crime has risen here” since handguns were outlawed, thus seemingly undermining the premise that making guns illegal lessens crime committed with guns, he hung his story on how “Britain has never again had a school shooting.” But if gun crime is rising, that sounds more like good luck than a result of the ban.

Wright featured two Britons exasperated by the refusal of the U.S. to follow Britain's lead. Gun control activist Ann Pearston contended: “What ordinary people have got to do in the United States, if they really care about what happened at Virginia Tech, is to make the banning of firearms in the United States an election issue.” Mick North, the father of a child killed in the Dunblane incident, fretted: “Nothing happened after Columbine. Nothing happened after Nickel Mines in the Amish community. After a few weeks, nothing will happen after Virginia Tech. Even the death of 32 people may not be enough to build up the necessary momentum.”

For early examples of ABC's crusading post-Virginia Tech, check the April 20 NewsBusters item, “Disappointment at ABC News: 'Politicians and Gun Control: Why Aren’t They Outraged?'” And from April 17, “Nets Blame Virginia's 'Lax' Gun Laws, Gibson and Couric Press Bush on Gun Control.”

Anchor Dan Harris set up the April 22 World News Sunday story:

“With Virginia Tech on everyone's mind, we're going to take A Closer Look tonight at the aftermath of another school massacre, one that changed the lives and changed the law across Great Britain. Eleven years ago, in a small town in Scotland, a man killed 15 elementary students, a crime that Britain vowed would never happen again and since that day has not. ABC's David Wright reports on the lessons of Dunblane.”

David Wright began, from Scotland: “March 13th, 1996, three years before Columbine, this tiny town faced the news every community dreads -- a rampage at an elementary school. Most of the victims, like Sophie North, were just 5 years old.”

Mick North, victim's father: “She would be 16-1/2 now, a young woman causing me no end of problems, no doubt, but problems that I would have loved to have had.”

Wright: “Same age as some of those kids at Virginia Tech.”

North: “Probably just about, yes.”

Wright: “Because of Dunblane, 16 kids will never go to college. The gunman, a former scoutmaster named Thomas Hamilton, killed their teacher, too, before taking his own life. In three minutes time, he fired 105 bullets. Had he arrived at the school during morning assembly as he had planned, the death toll would have been even higher. All of Britain was shocked by Dunblane, even more so because the guns used in the rampage were legally purchased. And as a direct result of what happened here, this country decided to ban virtually all handguns.”

Tony Blair in 1997: “They have done enormous carnage often to wholly innocent civilians, including children. The sooner Britain gets a lead in this, the better. It's the right and civilized things to do.”

Wright: “It helped bring Tony Blair to power. His party made banning handguns a campaign issue.”

Ann Pearston, gun control activist: “We just said after Dunblane that never again was someone going to walk into a school and massacre children.”

Wright: “They never have, not in Britain. Gun crime has risen here during the past decade. But Britain has never again had a school shooting.”

Pearston: “What ordinary people have got to do in the United States, if they really care about what happened at Virginia Tech, is to make the banning of firearms in the United States an election issue.”

North: “Sadly, I won't hold my breath.”

Wright: “Sophie North's father is well aware that the handgun debate is a sacred cow in the U.S., in part because of the Second Amendment.”

North: “Nothing happened after Columbine. Nothing happened after Nickel Mines in the Amish community. After a few weeks, nothing will happen after Virginia Tech. Even the death of 32 people may not be enough to build up the necessary momentum.”

Wright concluded: “Over here, they're watching in horror and sympathy. David Wright, ABC News, Dunblane.”

http://newsbusters.org/node/12230

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Howard Fineman to Democrats On Guns: 'You Gonna Do Something Now?!'

Posted by Geoffrey Dickens on April 23, 2007 - 16:28:



Newsweek's Howard Fineman's first instinct when he heard about the Virgina Tech shootings was to call up Capitol Hill and ask members for gun control legislation. On this weekend's syndicated Chris Matthews Show, the Newsweek reporter admitted "the first thing he did" was call the Democrats to demand: "Okay, you gonna do something now?!"

The following conversation occurred on the April 22nd edition of The Chris Matthews Show:

Chris Matthews: "Let's go to a more familiar terrain for us all: policy and politics. Just a week ago, the NRA held its national convention. Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre warned the members of the NRA that the Democratic Congress will threaten gun freedoms.

Quote, this is Wayne LaPierre: 'Today, there is not one firearm owner whose freedom is secure.' Polls do show a majority of Americans now want gun access restricted. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this week is working on a bill that would prevent gun access by the mentally ill. Congressman John Dingell of Michigan is negotiating with the NRA right now on this, to try to tighten up the laws, give states enough money so they can find people like Cho, who've been through this system, been identified, and make sure they don't buy guns. Is that gonna work?"

Howard Fineman: "I think it might. As a political reporter, of course, the first thing I did was call the Hill and find out from the Democratic leadership, 'Okay, you gonna do something now?!' And the answer I was told, bluntly by Democratic leaders on the Hill, is ‘We are not going to touch it in the macro sense, but this question-"

Matthews: "What do they mean by that? They're not going to address the Second Amendment issue?"

Fineman: "They're not, they're not going to go straight at the Second Amendment issue. If you look at the Electoral College map, you see Ohio, you see West Virginia, you see Pennsylvania, you see Wisconsin, they're not going to do it. Their whole modern mentality is built on avoiding that issue. But John Dingell, who is smart, as a Democrat and an NRA guy, is trying to draw the NRA into at least this one small incremental thing about making sure that mental health records and other state police records-"

Matthews: "Yeah."

Fineman: "-get into the Insta-Check system. What happened in Virginia is, they have Insta-Check, this guy had no criminal record. He had a mental record, which they knew nothing about. By law, they should've known about that. They should've known about it."

Matthews: "Will the Democrats pay a price for the, and I've heard this, that Hillary Clinton has made it, has assured that Dingell's, especially, John Dingell, that there's not going to be any Second Amendment issue in this upcoming campaign. They do not want this to be the fight."

Fineman: "Now, there was a dignified conversation."

http://newsbusters.org/node/12249

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Along with memories of Satanic rituals, many SRA survivors recall being subjected to programming sessions by the cult; this lead to mind control by the cult. The Los Angeles County Task Force on Ritual Abuse 2 described programming as follows:

"Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders."

Elements of mind control programming are often believed to include:

bullet A Satanic (or similar) religious cult, sometimes involved in criminal activities. Alternatively, a secret federal government agency or men's fraternal organization is involved.

The cult contains many civic leaders: local government office holders, police, judges, doctors, Christian clergy, etc. Many members attend Christian churches on Sunday and put on Satanic robes at other times. The cult needs to develop robot-like behavior in children so that when they mature, they will take over the organization of the group and continue the abuse into the next generation.

The cult tests children at a young age. Those who are have an average or low ability to dissociate are killed in ritual sacrifices; those who can readily dissociate are retained for programming.

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By a highly sophisticated program of physical, emotional and sexual abuse, the children are taught to dissociate. When they are unable to handle the pain and terror, their mind drifts elsewhere to a safe place. They become able to block out the abuse. Eventually, the dissociation becomes so complete that multiple personalities are created.

These alternative personalities (or alters) are a natural defense mechanism within the brain of a child when they are confronted with more abuse than they can handle. Each alter adsorbs some of the memories of the abuse. The child will eventually have a single dominant personality which is in control most of the time, and is unaware of the programming and of the presence of the alters. However, control can be transferred to an alter for intervals of time.

These alters are programmed to perform certain specific functions. For example:

Return the survivor to the cult upon command for further abuse or programming, commit suicide if the survivor discloses information that might threaten the safety and security of the cult, disrupt therapy, through thought-stealing, mind scrambling, emotional outbursts or distancing from the therapist, burn, cut or otherwise mutilate the body, send status reports back to the cult, etc.

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Neswald et al lists a number of typical ritual abuse programs. Along with alter programming, certain triggers are established that will cause a particular alter to emerge and perform their pre-programmed function. These triggers may be a word, sound, color, picture, time, date, hand sign, etc., or a combination of events.

Exorcist and fundamentalist Christian Bob Larson writes: "For example, and [sic] SRA survivor may be programmed so that every time he sees the color red a self-mutilating alter will come out and cut the body."

As part of its programming, the child is required to kill animals and/or infants, and to feel guilt for the murder. This reinforces their low self-image and feelings of hopelessness and lack of control and power.

As an adult, the survivor is unaware of the programming and SRA. They do not realize that they are suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identify Disorder (DID). Recollections of abuse are locked up in the alters' memories.

One of her alters is recalled periodically by the cult for further abuse and programming. This often occurs on "call-back" years, at ages 27, 30, 33 etc. when the survivor feels that she must either return or kill herself. She might be recalled for an entire weekend of abuse; on Monday morning her memories are a complete blank, although her physical condition would be dreadful.

A few adults are driven by emotional problems to seek therapy. Under hypnosis and other suggestive treatments, awareness of the alters and of the cult abuse and programming can emerge. Suicide ideation and successful suicides are relatively common among individuals recovering memory of SRA and of programming.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm

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A woman named Cathy O’Brien is said to be one of the only vocal and recovered survivors of the Central Intelligence Agency’s MKULTRA Project "Monarch mind control operation".

It is an account in Cathy’s own words of what happened to her child, Kelly, again and again:

“Kelly became violently physically ill after her induction into the Satanic Sexual Abuse “Neighborhood” and from every sexual encounter she had with them thereafter. She ran 104-6 degree temperatures, vomited and endured immobilising headaches for an average of three days (as is consistent with high voltage trauma). These were the only tell-tale evidences aside from the scarring burns left on her skin. Houston forbade me to call a doctor and Kelly forbade me to comfort her pitifully complaining that her head “hurt too bad even to move.” And she did not move for hours on end. Kelly often complained of severe kidney pain, and her rectum usually bled for a day or two after she had been sexually abused. My own mind-control victimisation rendered me unable to help or protect her. Seeing my child in such horrible condition drove my own wedge of insanity in deeper perpetuating my total inability to affect her needs until our rescue by Mark Phillips in 1988.

“Kelly’s bleeding rectum was but one of many physical indicators of paedophile perversions. I have overheard people speak blatantly of their sexual abuse of her on many occasions. They used this and threats to her life to ‘pull my strings’ and control me. The psychological ramifications of being raped by a paedophile Stamost are mind-shattering enough, but reportedly they further reinforced their traumas to Kelly’s mind with sophisticated NASA electronic and drug mind-control devices. They also instilled the ‘Who ya gonna call?’ and ‘I’ll be watching you’ binds on Kelly, further reinforcing her sense of helplessness. The systematic tortures and traumas I endured as a child now seem trite in comparison to the brutal physical and psychological devastation that the Satanists inflicted on my daughter”

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Their stories are so fantastic that few believe them and they are frightened of going to the police because they know that the Satanic network includes top police officers, judges, civil servants, media people, politicians, and many others who control our “free” society. Questions like “Who are you going to tell” and “Where are you going to run are used to break the spirit of people. Their sense of hopelessness makes them think there is nothing they can do to seek justice, so they give up and stop trying.

Also, as so many of them have said, they are drugged and programmed to take part themselves in the ritual murder and torture of other children. This is videoed and played to them when they are back in a conscious state. They are so horrified at what they have done and so terrified of the consequences that they dare not speak to the authorities.

The stories of the people I’ve talked to and the accounts of others I have read tell of events that are beyond comprehension, or, at least, they would be if they were not actually happening. Drinking blood, eating the flesh of dead bodies, thousands of adults and children buried in deep graves, the murder of people on camera for the so called “snuff” videos, the story is just appalling.

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One mother told a television documentary in the Dispatches series on Channel Four in Britain of how she was forced to place her new born baby on a Satanic altar and push a knife through its heart. A Satanist then had sex with the baby’s dead body. This is happening in your country now!

The Cult of the All Seeing Eye can continue with its global dictatorship in all its grotesque forms because many people don't want to be bothered about what is going on in the World and who is trying to control their lives and those of their children. They are so pressured by debt and fear that they keep their heads down and their eyes closed; or they are more concerned about the price of beer, the latest “scandal” on the television soaps, or how their soccer team is doing.

Michael Aquino, the All Seeing Eye representative at the heart of the US Government’s psychological warfare against its own population, once told Cathy O’Brien: “95% of the people want to be led by the other 5% and the 95% do not want to know what is really going on in government”. How sad that this is actually true.''

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It's easy to run like scared little children. then to face the horrors of what really is happening in life, but we have to face it, because one day, it might be your child that gets abducted.

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More recently, new evidence points to the continuous use of so-called trauma-based programming techniques to accomplish the same goal. This includes the deliberate induction in involuntary human subjects - in essence, human guinea pigs.

Here are the characteristics of someone who has (DID) Dissociative Identity Disorder whether they developed it on their own or whether it was induced into them through fear or brainwashing.

The psychiatrists' bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV, p. 487), characterises it by:

A. The presence of two or more distinct personality states;

B. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behaviour;

C. Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness;

D. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

No matter what name is assigned to the problem, however, to create this condition by conscious intent is an atrocity so depraved that trauma-based mind-control programming remains the de facto Secret Holocaust of the 20th century. Known as the Monarch Project, it has been verified and corroborated by numerous survivors like Cathy O'Brien, author of TranceFormation of America, Brice Taylor, author of Starshine, and K. Sullivan, author of MK.

The Franklin Cover-up, attorney John W. DeCamp's groundbreaking book about high-level pedophilia, also describes the sordid details of Monarch. "Drugs are not the deepest level of government-sponsored evil," he writes. "I think the lowest level of Hell is reserved for those who conjured up and carried out the 'Monarch Project'. 'Monarch' refers to young people in America who were victims of mind-control experiments run either by US government agencies such as CIA or military intelligence agencies."

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DeCamp's client, Monarch abuse survivor Paul Bonacci, has a story which parallels the victimology of O'Brien, Taylor and Sullivan - an extensive cross-corroboration of perpetrators and their methodology. It's simply "the production of a horde of children in whom the soul is crushed, who would spy, whore, kill and commit suicide", in the words of investigative reporter Anton Chaitkin, quoted by DeCamp in his book.

Recovering Monarch victims speak of ongoing trauma through "ritual abuse", also known as "satanic ritual abuse" because of the identifiable iconography of a belief structure associated with Satanism or Luciferianism. By using drugs, hypnosis, torture and electroshock, the Monarch criminal perpetrators have produced new and succeeding generations of victims.

This is not science fiction, but science fact. DID involves the creation of personality "alters": alternative personalities or personality fragments which can be used for specific tasks - usually for illegal activities like delivering drugs or other black-market activities (mules), messages (couriers) or killings (assassins). These alters, or soul fragments, are segregated and compartmentalised within the victim's mind by the repeated use of stun guns, drugs and hypnosis, which isolates the memories of their experiences.

An alter can be accessed by anyone who knows the "codes" or "triggers". These triggers, which induce an altered or trance state in a programmed victim, can be anything including telephone tones, nursery rhymes, dialogue from certain movies or hand signals.

[TruthBringer]

According to Springmeier and Wheeler, whose 468-page book has become a reference in the field, "...the basis for the success of the Monarch mind-control programming is that different personalities or personality parts called 'alters' can be created who do not know each other, but who can take the body at different times. The amnesia walls that are built by traumas form a protective shield of secrecy that prevents the abusers from being found out and prevents the front personalities who hold the body much of the time to know how their system of alters is being used."

''The mind-control programming, however, has not worked according to plan. In fact, the perpetrators, in their arrogance and hubris, never dreamed that their methods could fail. The retrieval of survivors' photographic-like memories of actual abuse incidents, including images, sounds and smells, constitutes a major exposure of human rights abuses. These victims bear witness to the secret atrocities of the so-called New World Order.''

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/article...ontrolnwo.html

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Deadly accuracy, disturbing revelations suggest outside involvement in VA Massacre, cocktail of brainwashing from prozac, violent video games contributed to carnage:



Seung-Hui Cho was a mind-controlled assassin, whether you believe he was under the influence of outside parties or not, the fact is that the cultural brainwashing of violent video games and psychotropic drugs directly contributed, as it does in all these cases, to the carnage at Virginia Tech on Monday morning.

Gun grabbers are already exploiting the tragedy to disarm future students from the opportunity of being able to defend themselves against deranged killers, but the media circus is completely silent when it comes to the laying blame at the feet of a deadly cocktail of mind-warping drugs and bloodthirsty shoot-em-ups.

Outside of the obvious culpability of the factors we see in every mass shooting - video games and "antidepressant" drugs, numerous red flags concerning The Virginia Tech events are beginning to suggest that Cho was more than a heartbroken nutcase with an axe to grind.

Charles Mesloh, Professor of Criminology at Florida Gulf Coast University, told NBC 2 News that he was shocked Cho could have killed 32 people with two handguns absent expert training. Mesloh immediately assumed that Cho must have used a shotgun or an assault rifle.

"I'm dumbfounded by the number of people he managed to kill with these weapons," said Mesloh, "The only thing I can figure is that he got close to them and he simply executed them."

Mesloh said the killer performed like a trained professional, "He had a 60% fatality rate with handguns - that's unheard of given 9 millimeters don't kill people instantly," said Mesloh, stating that the handguns Cho used were designed for "plinking at cans," not executing human beings.

Cho was certainly no slouch, in the two hour gap between the first reported shootings and the wider rampage that would occur later in the morning, during which time the University completely failed to warn the students despite having loudspeakers stationed throughout the campus, Cho had time to film a confession video, transfer it to his computer, burn it onto a DVD, package it up, travel to the post office, post the package, and travel back to his dorm room to retrieve his guns and then travel back to the opposite end of the campus to resume the killing spree. The almost inconceivable speed of Cho's actions become more suspicious when we recall initial reports that there were two shooters.

[TruthBringer]

The cultural mind control of certain violent video games and mind-altering psychotropic drugs were themselves a cocktail of brainwashing that directly contributed to the carnage, as they do in nearly all these cases.

From the very first reports of the shootings we predicted the killer would be on prozac, would have recently been in psychiatric care and would have regularly played violent video games and that has precisely turned out to be accurate in all three instances.

"Several Korean youths who knew Cho Seung Hui from his high school days said he was a fan of violent video games, particularly a game called "Counterstrike," a hugely popular online game in which players join terrorism or counterterrorism groups and try to shoot each other using all types of guns," reports Newsmax citing the Washington Post.

"In December 2005 -- more than a year before Monday's mass shootings -- a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an imminent danger to self or others." That was the necessary criterion for a detention order, so that Cho, who had been accused of stalking by two female schoolmates, could be evaluated by a state doctor and ordered to undergo outpatient care," reports ABC News, " but despite the court identifying the future killer as a risk, they let him go.

Investigators believe that Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech murderer, had been taking anti-depressant medication at some point before the shootings, according to The Chicago Tribune.

[TruthBringer]

Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, as well as 15-year-old Kip Kinkel, the Oregon killer who gunned down his parents and classmates, were all on psychotropic drugs. Scientific studies proving that prozac encourages suicidal tendencies in young people are voluminous and span back nearly a decade.

Jeff Weise, the Red Lake High School killer was on prozac, "Unabomber" Ted Kaczinski, Michael McDermott, John Hinckley, Jr., Byran Uyesugi, Mark David Chapman and Charles Carl Roberts IV, the Amish school killer, were all on SSRI psychotropic drugs.

Since these deadly drugs are prevalent in almost all mass shooting incidents, where is the call to ban prozac? Why is the knee-jerk reaction always to attack the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans to self-defense, a right that was exercised in January 2002 when students subdued a shooter at another Virginia university before he could kill more than three people because they were allowed guns on campus?

Why are the deeper reasons behind what motivates young men to kill pushed aside while control freaks demand that law-abiding citizens be disarmed of the only thing that can protect them from such madmen?

[TruthBringer]

Questions about the sequence of events during the VA Tech killings, as well as the profile of the killer are arousing increased suspicion.

There have been numerous calls and e mails alerting us to the fact that VA Tech is pulling links from its website concerning their relationship with the CIA. Reports from November 2005 confirm that the CIA was active in operating recruitment programs based out of VA Tech. Several professors from VA Tech are involved in government programs linked with NASA and other agencies.

Wikipedia also pulled a bizarre recently taken photograph of Cho wearing a U.S. Marines uniform.



Not only does this show that Cho had a friend (counter to what the Media would have us believe), but it also provides evidence that Cho was not the reclusive freak that people are trying to paint him out to be.

Such details only fan the flames of accusations that Cho could have been a Manchurian Candidate, a mind-controlled assassin.

[TruthBringer]

The CIA's program to create mind-controlled assassins that could be triggered by code words, MK ULTRA, is not a conspiracy theory, it's a historical fact documented by declassified government files and Senate hearings. President Bill Clinton himself had to apologize for the program before he left office.

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said, "The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign."

One such victim of these experiments was Cathy O'Brien, who immediately after the shootings re-iterated the revelations in her latest book, that Blacksburg Virginia is a central location for mind control programs that are still ongoing today.

[TruthBringer]

CIA mind control programs can be tracked back to the 1950's and Project BLUEBIRD, later renamed ARTICHOKE. From blogger Kurt Nimmo;

“BLUEBIRD was approved by the CIA director on April 20, 1950. In August 1951, the Project was renamed ARTICHOKE. BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE included a great deal of work on the creation of amnesia, hypnotic couriers, and the Manchurian Candidate,” writes Colin A. Ross, MD. “ARTICHOKE documents prove that hypnotic couriers functioned effectively in real-life simulations conducted by the CIA in the early 1950’s. The degree to which such individuals were used in actual operations is still classified…. BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE were administered in a compartmented fashion. The details of the programs were kept secret even form other personnel within the CIA…. The BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE materials establish conclusively that full Manchurian Candidates were created and tested successfully by physicians with TOP SECRET clearance from the CIA…. As well as being potential couriers and infiltration agents, the subjects could function in effect as hypnotically controlled cameras. They could enter a room or building, memorize materials quickly, leave the building, and then be amnesic for the entire episode. The memorized material could then be retrieved by a handler using a previously implanted code or signal, without the amnesia being disturbed. Hypnosis was not the mind control doctors’ only method for creation of controlled amnesia, however. Drugs, magnetic fields, sound waves, sleep deprivation, solitary confinement, and many other methods were studied under BLUEBIRD and ARTHICHOKE.”

[TruthBringer]

Researchers into supposed "lone nut" assassinations time and time again run across evidence pointing to CIA mind control experimentation. The best example is Sirhan Sirhan, Bobby Kennedy's assassin. Sirhan was found to be in a completely trance-like state after pulling the trigger and couldn't even remember shooting Kennedy when asked about the incident days later. Sirhan's lawyer, Lawrence Teeter, has presented convincing evidence that Sirhan was under mind control.

Either way you cut it, Seung-Hui Cho was a victim of brainwashing and mind control. The right questions are not being asked and the finger of blame is being pointed in the wrong direction, ensuring that another tragedy like the VA Tech Massacre is almost guaranteed.

[TruthBringer]

Rev. Jim Jones

As “News Commentary” on the Truthseeker website notes, Virginia Tech is an “active partner” with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. In addition, the CIA actively recruits VT students, holding events the spook agency bills as “career information” sessions.

“News Commentary” claims “Blacksburg, VA houses a US government ABOVE TOP SECRET underground laboratory (in the side of a local Blacksburg mountain) that develops in conjunction with DARPA, weapons such as human robotic mind control programming.” A Google search, however, turns up no mention of mind control experiments, of course, but there is plenty of reference to the “ Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory … 7,000 feet under Butt Mountain” in Blacksburg.

Part of the AMADEUS Project (Advanced MAnipulation for DEep Underwater Sampling), funded by the European Commission (i.e., the executive body of the one-world European Union), the Deep Underground Science and Engineering Laboratory, according to The Pit Bulletin (the newsletter of the Department of Mining and Minerals Engineering at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University), is designed for “military needs, ranging from unique designs for underground sporting arenas to storing various types of waste materials…. the AMADEUS team feel that the expanding world population is creating a demand for additional types of underground construction.”

As well, an “expanding world population” may call for the development of “perfect weapons” long sought by DARPA and the Pentagon, including avian influenza H5N1, an area of research at VT, according to Virginia Tech News (a Google reference points to a page that currently produces an SQL error).



Prince Phillip:

“If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels”

[TruthBringer]

A resume posted on the VT Computer Science Department website by Robert G. Ball notes grants awarded to the university by ARDA/DTO, short for Advanced Research and Development Activity, Disruptive Technology Office. “ARDA was created in 1998 after the model of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) by the Director of Central Intelligence and the Department of Defense, and took responsibility for funding some of DARPA's projects,” explains Wikipedia . “There has been speculation that the DTO is continuing research efforts started under the Total Information Awareness program (TIA) in DARPA's Information Awareness Office (IAO)…. Although ARDA's budget is presumably classified as part of the intelligence budget, the New York Times quoted an unnamed former government official saying the agency spent about $100 million a year in 2003. The Associated Press reports that ARDA had a staff of only eight in 2004.” Early last year, it was reported that DTO was to be run by John Negroponte.

Of course, all of this secret and not so secret activity on the Virginia Tech campus and environs doesn't just provide evidence that Cho Seung-Hui was a government produced mind-control assassin, but it also indicates that VT serves as a hub for experimental and prototype DoD technologies.

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Samuel Adams, Massachusetts' U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788:

"The Constitution [shall] be never construed to...prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."



Samuel Adams:

"Let us remember that if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it. "



Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."



Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775:

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."



Thomas Jefferson:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

[TruthBringer]

Im not sure that all of you have heard of the country of Belgium or even know where it's located. But I dont blame you if you don't, because it's one of the smallest countries in the World, its tucked in between Holland and France and its the place that is being tested as the perfect New World Order State by the Controllers. The capital Brussels is the capital of the European Union and the headquarters of NATO is also situated there.

Those who are monitoring the New World Order lately know that the following things are on the agenda of the NWO and they have already been instated in the country of Belgium:



1. A global tax on goods in relation with the ammount of carbon dioxide was emmitted for it's production.

2. The ID-card with the integrated RFID-chip has been instated in Belgium that will precede the RFID-chip implanted directly into the body.



3. And a very hot topic now; The ban on knifes and guns has been successfully instated by the NWO to disarm the population of Belgium.



Well...they have those already in Belgium folks. All introduced during the last 2 years.

The citizens of Belgium walk around with their shiny new ID-Card cards with the RFID-chip all the time. They pretty much have to.







The carbon dioxide-tax was launched in Belgium about a month ago. After the "inconvenient truth"-rage and after All-Gore met the prime minister of Belgium, while Mr.Gore was on his promo-tour, The tax was introduced as the "Al-gore tax".

And last but not least, everyone in Belgium had to hand over their guns they had in their homes and the people of Belgium are no longer able to walk around with a knife, a Swiss-pocket knife or even a boxcutter in their pockets.

The ban on guns was launched after two seperate incidents with a teenager going trough a rampage on the street shooting random people. Not as bloody as Waco, Columbine or Va but innocent people died (amongst them was a 3 year old) and the gun-ban was introduced within the hysteria that followed.

The same goes for the story for the ban on knifes. A few seperate incidents of stabbings amongst youngsters and while the hysteria lasted the ban was launched. Hey and what did u know...people are still getting stabbed there.

It seems that the country of Belgium is being used as a testing ground for all these laws. Why? I dont know... Maybe because Belgium is the place where the capital of the European Union is? Or where the headquarters for NATO is? To the rest of the World, all the new laws that have been passed in Belgium have stayed pretty unnoticed by the Global community and the rest of the World.

[TruthBringer]

People...the NWO is in full swing. Don't sit around anymore and wonder about if it's real or not. Because it is. Now you need to ask yourself what you will do when they tell you that you are going to receive a national ID card with a chip inside it and that soon your body will be microchipped as well. How will you react to that?

What will we, the people of America do when certain members of our Government try to disarm us for their own agenda? Will we fight like men and women? Or will we lie down and cover our eyes and ears like scared little boys and girls?

And when they introduce a World Pollution Tax on the American people, and take even more money out of our paychecks, in order to bring us closer and closer to the days of slavery, where 100% of the money that the slaves made in the United States was taken from them by their masters, what will you do then?

People...what will you do? You do have a choice. You can bow down to the NWO, and possibly live for awhile longer under a brutal system of control, or...you can take option b...and get together with your friends and neighbors when the time comes, and fight for the freedoms that you have enjoyed for so long now, so that you may live in peace for the rest of your lives instead of a World of hell where there will be orders that are given by certain people and there will be orders that are taken by certain people. And you as a World citizen are the ones who will be taking them.

Make no mistake folks, all of that will be happening while your "Slave-masters" enjoy lavish lifestyles and hide out in the shadows laughing as they come up with even more ways to screw you.

[TruthBringer]

Protection, Disarmament and Massacre



After the largest school shooting in American history, the massacre at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University that has taken the lives of more than 30 students and faculty and injured many more, we can expect to hear calls for more regulations and controls on the weapons Americans are permitted to purchase, own and carry. Just a couple years after Clinton’s Assault Weapons ban lapsed, we will probably be bombarded with the consensus of most politicians, talking heads and journalists – especially on the left and in the respectable center – that what the Virginia Tech shootings show is the need for more gun laws.

In consideration of how the state actually operates in its supposed attempts to protect the people, let us return to the idea of gun control, one of the major mechanisms by which law enforcement is claimed to make us safer.

To challenge this assumption, and the corollary that more gun laws are a proper response to the Virginia Tech tragedy, will almost surely be seen as heartless and dense, especially at this time. For, despite one’s political leanings, should we not sympathize for the humanity of those killed, wounded and forever traumatized in this act of barbarism? Well of course we should. What has happened is the very negation of the principles of civilization and humanity. And just as some are formulating their answers to this horrible atrocity along the lines of recommending more government, it is reasonable to ask now how this happened.

[TruthBringer]

Handguns must be more closely watched, or banned outright, we will be told. Assault rifles and armor-piercing bullets will also be condemned, though they apparently had nothing to do with this crime, which seems to have been committed with two handguns – a 9 mm and a .22. The NRA will even be blamed for all this, even though that organization favors plenty of the existing gun laws and has been known to advocate their more stringent enforcement. Already, the Brady Campaign is blaming this on the number of rounds permitted in a magazine. Why shouldn't we concede that just a few “reasonable” measures are in order to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people?

The truth is the polar opposite of what the gun control advocates will conclude. For what we have at Virginia Tech is just one more example of gun control and government protection failing miserably at their advertised goals, and in fact making such a massacre more likely to begin with.

[TruthBringer]

Back in early 2006, a plan in the Virginia legislature to allow for concealed carry on the state’s college campuses failed in subcommittee. A representative of Virginia Tech said that the bill’s defeat would make “parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

Perhaps it did make a lot of people feel safer. But the indisputable fact, which everyone should recognize by now, is that criminals don’t follow the law. Someone who is not going to obey laws against murder is not going to flinch at a law forbidding the carrying of weapons. And the notion that a gun law can eliminate weapons is just a fantasy, as any liberal who understands the failure of the drug war should by now see. Indeed, all these weapons prohibitions ever do is disarm those who are willing to follow the law, leaving them defenseless against criminals willing to break the law. Gun control rendered these students helpless, even as it did nothing to stop the killer.

[TruthBringer]

The mentality of dependence that the leviathan state encourages with its wars, welfare state, gun control and public schools has also made would-be victims feel helpless whenever confronted by an actual threat. Today, Americans generally trust the state to protect them. But this trust is completely misplaced. In 1999, when two students slaughtered a dozen of their schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine, the Swat Team hesitated for a crucial period of time before storming the building – even as a student held a sign in the window declaring that a victim was bleeding to death within.

Now let me be clear. I do not wish to understate the horror of what any victim of such savage violent crimes go through. But the startling common thread throughout these massacres is the degree to which the government has claimed total control and promised total security. Public high schools and many colleges have long been deemed gun-free zones, as if this actually protects anyone.

Airline security has long been the domain of the state, yet the state would do absolutely nothing to protect Americans on 9/11.

And at Virginia Tech, the students had the false sense of security that because the government had greatly restricted their own right to bear arms at a public facility, they would be safe. Yet for two full hours, the police failed to stop the assailant between the time he began shooting and the time he killed many others and then himself. And, again, we have no reason to necessarily expect it to have gone any better.

[TruthBringer]

In 2002, at Appalachian Law School in Virginia, a private institution, a school massacre was cut short when students resisted, one of them with a gun he had retrieved from his car. Yet, as some have pointed out, we hear little about such horrible crimes being stopped by private weapons ownership.

Millions of times a year, criminals are preempted by Americans wielding private weapons. Studies indicate that well over ninety percent of the time, private individuals defend themselves with guns without ever firing a shot. You compare this caution and success to the record of government agents, who, knowing they will usually get away with negligent or even malicious violence, are increasingly likely to use overwhelming force against the peaceful.

[TruthBringer]

On a fundamental level, gun control is actually in itself an act of gun violence. It is the use of force and threats of force against peaceful people for the purpose of depriving them of tools useful for self-defense. Surely, the state cannot pretend that such weapons do not have defensive purposes without admitting that the “defense” it says it provides us, domestically with armed police and internationally with the armed military, is a sham.

For the state to forbid others from having the same weapons it provides its own legions of armed forces at home and abroad, all funded through tax dollars, is the height of hypocrisy, as is the idea that pointing guns at peaceful people and hauling them off to jail if they violate gun control laws – which is what enforcement of such laws boils down to – is somehow a good way to combat gun violence.

[TruthBringer]

It is curious that certain people still defend the institution of gun control, which only monopolizes weapons in the hands of those least likely in a given crisis to have the opportunity to do good and most likely, historically speaking, to use them to do bad. Indeed, a look at the 20th century reveals a frightening pattern regarding weapons control: It preceded the major acts of genocide and government-led slaughter throughout the world.

The Nazis and Communists always required that their subjects be disarmed. Gun control doesn’t always result in concentration camps, but it is much harder to displace, oppress or exterminate undesirables without it.

In America’s own history, gun control has a legacy of racist tyranny –to disarm and thus control groups ranging from freed blacks to Italian immigrants (as was the case with the Sullivan Act). That gun control is a tool of the ruling class and a boon for private and political criminals should be obvious by now.

[TruthBringer]

Gun control does not protect the innocent. It only renders the innocent all the more defenseless, empowers law enforcement in totalitarian ways, and facilitates the further construction of the police state. It is only one aspect of how the state claims to protect us, yet it only does the opposite.

[Jamesblonde]

TruthBringer;599928 wrote: Gun control does not protect the innocent. It only renders the innocent all the more defenseless, empowers law enforcement in totalitarian ways, and facilitates the further construction of the police state. It is only one aspect of how the state claims to protect us, yet it only does the opposite.


Or perhaps a way for the state to seem to be protecting us by charging us money for a problem without fixing it by addressing the issue

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magenta flame;599931 wrote: Tryth all I can say is come to Australia..............And see it for yourself


I hear that in Austrailia the criminals have been getting their hands on weapons while the law abiding citizens have nothing to defend themselves with. This is what I am hearing people tell me on the street. And for good reason I'm sure.

[TruthBringer]

There is no more important time to stand up for liberty than when crisis endangers it most. It is also an important time to reflect on how the state's culture of obedience, blind trust in authority, centralized control and individual disarmament has actually rendered us less secure against threats both foreign and domestic.

At a time when the Bush administration has suspended habeas corpus, has shredded the Fourth Amendment, and respects virtually no limits on its power, one would hope that the usual proponents of gun control who oppose the administration see the severe danger in letting it impose more controls on our lives, and wage more wars on the Bill of Rights, this time with the pretense of protecting us against gun violence.

The administration’s rounding up of private weapons in New Orleans after Katrina and Baghdad after the invasion of Iraq demonstrates its willingness to disarm populations when it is desirable and expedient from its point of view. The last thing we need is more support for further erosions of our liberty.

It is time for some clear thinking about the way government has used massacres and other crises to warm the people up to its expansion and encroachment on precious freedoms. As Virginia Tech on 4/16 should show as clearly as the hijacked planes on 9/11, big government, central planning, and the systematic violence of gun control do not stop massacres; they only enable them.

[Jamesblonde]

It's this simple.

Idiots who run the show see criminals commiting crimes with weapons so they ban weapons and make them illegal.

Criminals break the law, it's part of their job description you see, and carry weapons.

Criminals are unleashed upon an unarmed law abiding society.

Criminals think it is Christmas every day.