Jehovah's conspiracy

[koan]

There are a number of books with proposed alternative endings to the Christ story. All the books have massive amounts of research and historical data to back their theories. The books, despite research and supposed historical evidence, still disagree as to what actually happened. If you go ahead and write your book, I am always interested in new theories, you must compete with the others. You must have a book full of supporting facts. How long have you been researching this topic?

Also, if you call it "Jehovah's Conspiracy", you imply that the conspiracy was initiated by God (Jehovah) and not by man (the Christian Church).

[koan]

"The Holy Blood, The Holy Grail" comes to mind first as a starting point. You should search the net for research on the topic. Another thing came to mind: Mainly hearsay or heresy? That is the question. You may find your book has already been written but should have fun reading all the theories in the mean time. There's always room for another book just make sure your angle is unique.

[koan]

The religion is not followed merely because Christ died on the cross. If it were proven that he did not it would not take away from his life and his wisdom. It is more question of historical interest. A prophet always "sacrifices" his/her own life for the salvation of the people since their entire life is devoted to helping people other than themselves.

[capt_buzzard]

At one time I would have said, it was all faudulent. The Great Hoax. The Great Conspiracy is still alive today. Within the next few years we will be told it was all a Great Lie. Guess where that will come from?

[capt_buzzard]

And the ISLAM conspiracy?

[Daniyal]

( Fake God's And False Christs )



One of the biggest problems that Religion create is Sectism , Cultism , Denominations , And various other groups that deviate from the fundamentals and facrs of A found Religion and create these Egotistical leaders that claim to be Christ of A Messiah or even God himself without any Credentials . By that I Mean they have nothing that they do or say that would lead one to really believe that they are some kind of Savior . Even Though Each Scriptures Clearly Warns Against These Fake Christs And Messiah

Matthew 24;24 And I Quote ; For There Shall Arise False Christs . And False Prophets , And Shall Show Great Signs And Wonders ; Insomuch That , If It Were Possible . They Shall Deceive The Very Elect .

Mark 13;22 And I Quote ; For False Christs And False Prophets Shall Rise , And Shall Show Signs And Wonders To Seduce . If It Were Possible Even The Elect .

What Are The Dangers Of The Existence Of Fake God's And False Christs ? The danger in this is The Poor Souls then are misled by these Fake Gods And False Christs , And these Propheteers pretending to be Prophets . Then there are many thousands of Ministers across the country who declared God Spoke To Me And Told Me To Tell You This Or That . And Lure Sincere Souls Into A Trap That They Are Unable To Get Out Of Until The Day They Die In Blind Faith , Daring Not To Even Question Or Doubt The Fanatics .

Do The Jehovah's Witnesses Follow The Freemason Doctrine ?

The Jehovah's Witnesses , Their entire doctrine is based on False Prophecies Lies and Freemasonry , Most of the leaders during the 1920s and 1930s were either Freemasons or involved in Secret Societies , Both Charles T. Russell . The founder of The Jehovah's Witnesses as well as Joseph Rutherford , His successor belonged to a Secret Societies .

If you LQQk back on some of The Old Document . Such as The Magazine The Watchtower '' that was published by The Jehovah's Witnesses you will see Symbols and Emblem that shows Their Affiliation . ( Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Also Symbol As Used On Their First Publications Of The Watchtower Called Zions Watch Tower ..... Joseph Franklin Rutherford ( 1869 A.D. - 1942 A.D. Also Charles T . Russell 1882-1916 A.D. )

Charles T . Russell organized his own Bible study class with a small group of associates . He elected himself Pastor and was called '' Pastor Russell . He was the First President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Of Pennsylvania . Becoming convinced of Jesus's coming . He began to preach and and spread his teaching and in 1879 A.D. He founded The Wactch Tower Journal . Russell who claimed to be The 7th Angel Mentioned In Revelation 10-7 , 11;15 , And 16;17 , However he died on October 31,1916 A.D. Before he die he made many predictions of the ...

End coming In 1874 A.D. , 1876A.D. 1914 A.D. ,1916 A.D. 1918A.D. 1972A.D. 1975A.D. All of which None as you can see , Never came true . He claimed that Jehovah gave him word of This End Each Time . He was simply saying his God who created the Heavens and Earth and Everything in it , Couldn't make up his mind when he wanted the world to end .

With all of The False Predictions that he made . His congregation had lost their faith because their doctrine was no longer making sense . So they fell apart . After a number of false Predictions . Joseph F. Rutherford , Being A Shrewd Businessman came up with this Million Man Scheme . And that is when they had their Millions Campaign In Washington D.C. As A Ploy To Re-Unite The Followers .

In 1918 A.D. The Jehovah's Witnesses Had A Millions Campaign with the release of A Book called '' Millions Now Living Will Never Die '' . That wasn't published until 1920 A,D, By Joseph F. Rutherford ( 1869 - 1942 A.D. ) . He came to power in 1917 A.D. After their former leader Charles T . Russell Died In 1882-1916 A.D. ) ..

The purpose of The Million Campaign '' . As it was called . Was to gather A Million Jehovahs Witnesses after their Prophecy Of The End Of The World Failed And Their Prophecy Than Abraham , Isaac , And Jacob Would Resurrect Into Human Form In 1925 A.D. And Live On Earth In A Mansion In San Diego California Called Beth Sarim , '' House Of Princes '' Which By They Way Never Happened .

The original leader , Charles T . Russell Died October 31 , 1916 A.D. ) .. As A Freemason he was Buried Under A Pyramid - Like Stone Which Bore The Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Which Is A Crown With A Cross In It All Of The Leader From Those Days Were A Part Of Mystical Orders .

Half of The Jehovah's Witnessestoday don't even know the event that went on . They don't know about that mansion in San Diego California . They don't even know about The Millions Campaign or The Real History Of The Jehovah's Witnesses. Go Do Your Research . You Will Be Amazed At What You Will Find .

Charles Taze Russell Was Also Considered A Christ . Russell Claimed To Be The Seventh Angel Mentioned In Revelation . He Predicted The End Of The World Several Times ! 1874 A.D. 1876 A.D. 1914A.D. 1916 A.D. And 1918 A.D. Each Time Stating That Word Came To Him From The Creator Whom He Called Jehovah . He Was A '' Fake Christ ''

Now-A-Days In America There Are Many More '' False Teacher '' And '' False Leaders '' . Or What I Refer To As '' Fake Gods '' And False Christs '' Let Me Walk You Through The List .

You Have A Group Referred To As The Moonies , Headed By A Man Named Sun Myung Moon , Who Is A Oriental Who Declared Himself The Messiah . As Stated In An Article In '' Time '' Magazine Dated January 13 , 1992 A.D. Moon Set ( In Part ) .. His Followers Liken The Rise Of Korean Cleric Sun Myung Moon To The Coming Of The Messiah ... Sun Myung Moon Is An Evangelish , Who Claims That Jesus Appeared Before Him When He Was 16 Years Old And Told Him To '' Complete My Still Uncompleted Mission . ''

( Sun Myung Moon '' Fake Christ '' ) .

Then There Was A Religious Leader Name David Korresh Whose Birth Name Is Vernon Howell Korresh Whom The Media Claimed He Declared Himself Christ And Was Head Of The Davidian Church Where He And His Extended Family Lived Called Mount Carmel Located In Waco . Texas . ( David Korresh '' Fake Christ '' ) .

Then You Have A Man Named Hulon Mitchell Jr . Who Later Called Himself Yahweh Ben Yahweh Leader Of The Hebrew Israelites . He Also Declared Himself Christ And The Son Of God . According To The Book Entitled '' Yahweh Judges America '' On Page 81 , In The 7th Paragraph It States '' The Scripture Is Letting Us Know You Must LQQk Up And Observe The Characteristics Of The One That Is Coming As The True Messiah If You Will Open Your Eyes You Will Be Able To See The Right One Clearly ... Yahweh Ben Yahweh , The Son Of Yahweh '' . Here They Are Implying That Yahweh Ben Yahweh Is Christ Of The Son Of God . ( Yahweh Ben Yahweh '' Fake Christ '' ) .

Then You Have Ben Ammi Ben Israel Also Known As G . Parker , Declaring Himself Christ Who Is The Learder Of The Black Hebrews . And The List Goes On And On . ( Ben Ammi Ben Israel '' Fake Christ '' ) .

Then You Have People Like Elizabeth Clare Prophet , Who Has Authored Over 50 Books Within The Series '' The Lost Teaching Of Jesus , The Lost Years Of Jesus '' And Many More , Who Conduct Workshops And Retreats On Jesus's Life And Teachings . You Tell Me . Is She A False Teacher Or False Christ ( Elizabeth Chaire Prophet Fake God Or False Christ ) ..

Then You Have Maittreya The Christ , Most Of The Information About Him Has Come From A Man Named Benjamin Creme . According To '' Creme , Maitreya The Christ '' Descended In July 1977 A.D. And Took Up Residence In A Pakistanian Community In London ( Maittreya The Christ '' Fake God And False Christ '' ) .

And Then You Have Another False Ethiopian Messiah Who Is Called Haile Selassie . Haile Selassie Was Born In Harar, Ethiopia In 1892 A.D. Which Is The Northeastern Part Of Ethiopia . Rastafarians Say That Haile Selassie Is '' The Conquering Lion Of Judah '' King Of Kings '' or Lord Of Lords '' . They Claim That He Is The Person Being Talked About In Revelation 17;14 ( Haile Selassie '' Fake God And False Christ '' ) .

And Let's Not Forget About The Jehovah's Witnesses. As I Mentioned Earlier On In This E-Mail . Their Former Leader . Charles T . Russell Was Also Considered '' A Christ '' He Founded The Sect In The Years 1870 A.D. When He Was Dissatisfied With Christianitty As It Was , He Organized His First Bible Study Class . Six Years Later In 1876 A.D. He Elected Himself Pastor '' In 1879 A.D. He Sold Interest In A Clothing Firm And Began Printing '' The Watchtower '' A Semi-Monthly Publication . By 1884 A.D. His '' Zion's Watchtower And Bible Society '' Was Incorporated In Pittsburgh , Pennsylvania To Brooklyn , New York . Russell Claimed To Be The '' Seventh Angel '' Mentioned In The Book Of Revelation 10;7 , 11;15 , And 16;17 , ( Charles T . Russell '' A Fake Christ And False Angel ) ..

All Of Them Have You Believing In Religious Rhetoric And Claiming That They Are God . Christ The Messiah , Angelic Beings . However None Of Them Can Answer The Simple Question Of Why ? None Of Them Can Give You A Logical Reason About Why The World Is In Chaos . If They Were God They Would Be Able To Answer Simple Questions Like Why ? The Very Holy Book In Which You Claim You Live By Warns You Of These Kinds Of False Prophet And Christ , And I Quote ;

Matthew 24;24 ( In Modern Greek Script )

And In Time There Shall Rise Up Lying Messiah And False Prophet And Shall Have The Power To Do Great Sign And Miracles , So Great That If It Was All Possible They Would Be Able To Deceive The Chosen Ones .

Mark 13;22 ( In Modern Greek Script )

For False Christs And False Prophets Shall Rise And Shall Show Signs And Wonders To Seduce If It Were Possible Even The Very Chosen .

If Even Tells You How To Decipher If These Prophets Or Christs Are Of God In 1John 4;1

1John 4;1 ( In Modern Greek Script )

Beloved Do Not Believe Every Spirit But Test The Spirit To See Whether They Are Of Thehos ; Because Many False Prophets Are Gone Forth Into The World .



M.Z.York

[Daniyal]

kash567;15448 wrote: Biggest conspiracy to date is did he die on the cross in other words was Jesus crucified?

How can you prove it if he did?


What Kind Of Nail Was Used To Nail Jesus On The Cross ?



Ans ; There is no type of Nail That They Could Have used to Support A Man Like Jesus' Size , Without Ripping Through His , Plams Or Shattering His Bones. Again Jesus was Not Crucified . It's A Myth . A Play Created By Joseph Flavius. But The kind of Nailsused by Romans Which Measure 8 To 10 Inches . It was Hammered Through The Hands And Feet Of The Accused Victimes Sentenced To Death . In Order For The Weight Of The Body To Be Supported . Shroudist State That The Nail Had To Pass Through The Wrist In What Is Called The Despot's Space , A Nail This Size WouldShatter Someone's Wrist Bones , Then What Suport Do You Think They Would Have Had Then ? Jesus Should Have Been Dead Within An Hour, Because His Diaphram Would Have Collapes DueTo His Dead Weight Body . His Diaphram Could Have Not Supported His Body Weight . Note The Cruxifixion Lasted For Three Hours Before He Dies .



Ques ; Was Yashu'a ( Jesus ) To Carry A Tree ?

Ans ; According To The New Testament , In Numerous Places. It Says Jesus Was Hung On Tree .

Acts 5 ; 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree.

Acts10 ; 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree

1Peter 2 ; 24 who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed

John 19 ; 17 They took Jesus therefore: and he went out, bearing the cross for himself, unto the place called The place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha



Carry , To Put Upon One's Self ( Something ) To Be Carried And The Word Being Used For '' Cross '' In Greek Staurous, Meaning '' An Upright Stake '' From The Root Word Histemi , Meaning '' To Cause Or MakeStand'' .

According To The New Encylopedia Britannica Volume 19 Published By Helen Hemingway , Bentica On Page 918 , Concerning The Weight Of Wood , It Says ;

Common Temperate Climate Woods Range In Weight , From About 300 To 900 Kilograms Per Cubic Metre , ( 20 - 55 Pounds Per Cubic Foot ) In Air - Dry Condition , But Lighter And Heavier Woods Exist In The Tropics , ( 80 - 1 ,300 Kilogram Per Pubic Metre On 10 - 80 Pounds Per Cubic Foot ) , Such As Balsa And Lignum Vitae , Respectively . ;... The Lightest Kind Of Wood Is Balsa Wood , Which Is Used Making Model Airplanes , Life Rafts And Buoys . That Kind Of Wood Could Not Have Been Used , Because The Lightest Kind Of Wood Weighs Up To 20Lbs . Per Cubic Foot . A Cross Made Our Of Balsa Could Not Have Supported Yashua's ( Jesus ) Weight Not If You Say It Was A Heavier Kind Of Wood , Like Oak , That Was Used , When You Would Have To Take Into Consideration That The Wood Would Have Been To Heavy For Yashu'a ( Jesus ) , Who Was Beaten And Weakened



Matthew 26 ; 67 Then did they spit in his face and buffet him: and some smote him with the palms of their hands

Matthew 27 ; 26 Then released he unto them Barabbas; but Jesus he scourged and delivered to be crucified.

Matthew 27 ; 30 And they spat upon him, and took the reed and smote him on the head.

Mark 15 ; 19 And they smote his head with a reed, and spat upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.

Luke 22 ; 63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and beat him



The Greek Word Used For '' Smote '' Is Tupto Meaning '' Smite , Beat , Strike , Wound , '' And The Greek Word Used For '' Smote'' In Luke 22 ; 63 Is Dero Meaning '' To Beat , Smite , To Flay , To Skin , To Beat , Thrash . The Greek Word Used For '' Scourged '' Is Phragello Meaning '' To Whip . '' After Being Beaten And Skinned , He Was Too Weak To Carry A Corss 18 Feet 6 Inches Tall , With A Cross Beam Of 6 Feet 6 Inches Long . Now Wood Is Cut In 2x4 , 4x4 And So On , Whatever Size Wood Is Used For Building . With Its Length Varying According To The Length That Is Needed . In Order For The Cross To Have Been Strong Enough To Hold A Man Of His Size It Would Have Had To Have Been Thicker Than A 2X4 Or



4x4 To Support His Weight . How Was It Possible For Yashua Or Jesus . Who Had Been Straved And Beaten , To Have Carried A Tree - Sized Cross 6'4'' Inches Wide And 18'2 Inches Tall . Or An Actual Tree To Galgotha Matthew 27 ; 33 ?

Ques ; How Could Yashua ( Jesus ) Carry The Cross To Calvary , When According To The Holy Bible He Was Starved First , Then Beaten , Then Made To Bear His Own Cross ?

According To John 19 ; 17 Yashua ( Jesus ) Carried His Own Cross .

John 19 ; 17 They took Jesus therefore: and he went out, bearing the cross for himself, unto the place called The place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha:



It Is Clear That According To John 19 ; 17 Yashua Bared His Own Cross , Even If Simeon ( 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) Had A Good Night's Sleep And Ate A Good Meal The Next Day . He Still Wouldn't Have The Strength To Carry A Cross Of That Size And Weight Yashua And Simeon Together Couldn't Even Carry The Cross All The Way To Calvary , ( According To '' Jerusalem '' , By Colin Thuborn , On Page 91 , It States ; The Traditional Route Of Christ To Calvary Begins At The Convent Of The Sisters Of Zion , Near The Ruins Of Antonia -- The Fortress Raised By Herod On A Scarp Above The Temple . ) .



Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him. Then Made To Carry The Cross John 19 ; 17 . So , Even With The Help Of Simeon . It Would Have Taken Samson To Carry A Cross That Size , Weight , And Distance ..



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