Man born of man will live forever......

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:47 pm

A transgender man is the first in Europe to give birth to a baby after becoming pregnant through a sperm donor.

I am confused.

The 'Man' that had the baby was born female.

She/he refused to give birth in hospital, because German law require the he/she be named as the mother, and he believes himself to be the father ?

Although he/she has all the bits and pieces required to sustain and nourish a foetus, and there was a donor involved, he/she insists he/she is the father.

Am I right to be confused ?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:33 pm

Umm, ..., well, yes,..., I think, or perhaps, well, ..., er, I , dunno.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:11 pm

I'm confused, but that's getting to be my norm.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:46 am

You think you're confused? Think how her/him/it feels.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:23 am

I am not confused at all.

To me the question is, just because do such a thing can be done, should it be?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:38 am

You are not confused, Bruv. The mother is confused. She may have cut off her breasts, but her female genitalia was left intact along with her female organs. We had a case like that here, a "celebrated" one, Thomas Beatie. First Look: The Pregnant Man and More Follow-Ups - Video - @OWNTV #WhereAreTheyNow, among many other links.

A woman who "feels" like a man, thinks she is a man, wants to be known as a man, had a baby. It's not your confusion, Bruv.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:58 pm

But......but ....he was (He remember) was granted sole custody of his (his remember) children when his estranged wife was found to be violent toward them.

It is confusing though Annie whatever you say.

Are the children he was granted sole custody of, his kids paternally ?

If they are, why did he/she require a donor to carry a child, could it be possible he/she could impregnate him/herself ?

I think the person concerned is merely a woman with a beard, who doesn't like penis's near her

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:14 pm

"In 2011 Germany's Supreme Court ruled that an individual no longer had to have his or her's reproductive organs removed 'to gain civil legal recognition in the perceived gender'."

Transgender German man becomes first in Europe to have a baby boy following home birth | Mail Online

All this shows to me is that there is legal precedence to give into fantasy, to live a fantasy, to attempt to force others to accept fantasy. If a 'man' can reproduce, 'he' is a woman. Have you noticed the Emperor wears no clothes? That's what we are doing. We're insane.

I would never suggest that people shouldn't live as they please, call themselves whatever they wish. By giving reality to fantasy only shows we are insane. I don't think that's confusing at all.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Are you saying The Emperor is naked ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:30 pm

Bruv;1435965 wrote: Are you saying The Emperor is naked ?

Not only am I saying that, I'm saying the man is a woman. The father is a mother.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:46 pm

What about the kids he has gained sole custody for......are they not his ? shock horror.

Why do some people feel the need to put themselves on display like this ?

I can.........just.......feel for some transgender individuals who have to fight hard to come to terms and get reassignment.....or whatever they call it.

Cases like this make it easy to throw doubt on the validity of genuine people with genuine problems.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:02 pm

AnneBoleyn;1435967 wrote: Not only am I saying that, I'm saying the man is a woman. The father is a mother.

It could be worse :-