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So you take the guns and they use knives... whats next? Scissors, letter openers, rocks?

STUPID is as stupid does!!!





Medical journal report claims they serve no good purpose

Posted: May 27, 2005

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It's time to ban long kitchen knives because they serve no good purpose except as weapons, write doctors in the British Medical Journal.

The doctors, as part of their research into ways to reduce violence, say they consulted with leading chefs who said long knives were not needed for cooking.



Dr. Emma Hern, a specialist registrar, and D. Mike Beckett, an emergency medicine consultant, contend in their paper that a short knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault, but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs. But a long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon."

"Many assaults are impulsive, often triggered by alcohol or misuse of other drugs, and the long pointed kitchen knife is an easily available, potentially lethal weapon, particularly in the domestic setting," wrote Hern.

The doctors say long knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings in the United Kingdom.

"Government action to ban the sale of such knives would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years," wrote Hern.

Professor Anthony Busuttil, a Scotland pathologist, backed the medical journal report.

"All the statistics show that for the last 15 years, victims of stabbings, whether fatal or seriously injured, are caused by kitchen knives such as steak knives rather than knives bought specially for the purpose," is told the Scotsman.

But the restaurant industry reacted with horror to the report.



"Kitchen knives are designed for a purpose," said Malcolm Duck, chairman of the Edinburgh Restaurateurs Association. "It would be like asking a surgeon to perform an operation with a bread knife instead of a scalpel. Anything in the house like a cricket bat could be used as weapon in the hands of an idiot."

Chief Superintendent Tom Buchan, president of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents, said although a ban on sharp, pointed kitchen knives would be welcome, it could be difficult to enforce.
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Well said. Although it is unpopular for me to say this, this is a perfect example of liberalism run amok.
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Or as it said on the box containing a set of screwdrivers, `Can be dangerous if inserted in ears or nose` (presumably ok just to jab it in your eye, then?) Quite.
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posted by tombstone

Well said. Although it is unpopular for me to say this, this is a perfect example of liberalism run amok.


actually no it's not, it's a group of doctors expressing an opinion-whether they are liberal or not is rather a moot point. The medical journal is just that- a medical journal. What you say is not unpopular it misses the point of the debate. Actually say what you like it's good fun.

note what the police superintendent said

Chief Superintendent Tom Buchan, president of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents, said although a ban on sharp, pointed kitchen knives would be welcome, it could be difficult to enforce.


Polite speak for maybe a good idea but totally impractical. In Scotland carrying an offensive weapon gets you arrested, in the right circumstances that is -a hefty dose of common sense is applied-for instance going in to a disco with a long screwdriver or stanley knife in your pocket can only have one purpose in mind and it's not to tighten a screw. Most of the assault cases are spur of the moment with what is at hand.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7017165.html

Currently in Scotland there are also calls for air rifles to be banned or at least regulated and registered-currently anyone can buy one. This isn't america we have a totally different attitude, carry out a survey and you'll find most people feel the same way about it, it's more a case of don't let the sick little B^&^%$%$%S get access to guns. nor is this is not the nanny state gone daft this is the ordinary people saying to the authorities-sort this out and get these weapons off our streets or else, politicians ignore public sentiment at their peril, all the doctors are doing is making a suggestion. impractical i think but this is not policy more of a point raised in an ongoing debate.

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It rarely enters my mind but back when I was twenty or so I bought a couple of cavalry sabers, complete with scabbards, and despite a couple of moves around the country they're still lying around the house. They have several dints where my boys used to fight each other with them but they're still perfectly serviceable. I don't remember Rosamond having a go but Philip and Geoffrey certainly did, occasionally flailing in my direction but more often at each other. They do tend to strain the wrist but the pointy end is good for plunging-forward attacks.

I'm moderately certain they're legal but not if I were to buckle one on and walk the streets with it.
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These silly bans do little more than offer false hope to the nervous nellies of the world. Go to any prison and ask to see the weapons confiscated from the inmates.
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spot;1314231 wrote: I bought a couple of cavalry sabers


From the 'states, eh?
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hoppy;1314235 wrote: These silly bans do little more than offer false hope to the nervous nellies of the world. Go to any prison and ask to see the weapons confiscated from the inmates.


But we don't ban them, hoppy.

Neither, come to that, do we ban firearms. We licence them. There are a million private firearms licence holders in the UK and between them they hold two million firearms. Aren't firearms licenced in the US too?
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Bill Sikes;1314236 wrote: From the 'states, eh?


One's British Cavalry issue from the 19th century, the other's Sikh and rather better constructed.
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Whoosh.
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spot;1314237 wrote: But we don't ban them, hoppy.

Neither, come to that, do we ban firearms. We licence them. There are a million private firearms licence holders in the UK and between them they hold two million firearms. Aren't firearms licenced in the US too?


Actually, if the firearm is classed as an antique, made before the 1890's usually, it can be purchased with nothing more than something showing the age of the buyer. Some cities and a few states are restricted. And ammo is still available in many old cartridges.

I can go on the gunbroker site right now, bid on certain old revolvers or rifles and have them delivered to my home by showing something to prove my age.
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hoppy;1314242 wrote: Actually, if the firearm is classed as an antique, made before the 1890's usually, it can be purchased with nothing more than something showing the age of the buyer. Some cities and a few states are restricted. And ammo is still available in many old cartridges.

I can go on the gunbroker site right now, bid on certain old revolvers or rifles and have them delivered to my home by showing something to prove my age.


Those, I suspect, form an insignificantly small proportion of the firearms held privately in the USA. The rest are subject to licensing restrictions, I take it?
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hoppy;1314242 wrote: Actually, if the firearm is classed as an antique


There are concessions for "antique" guns here, too.
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spot;1314250 wrote: Those, I suspect, form an insignificantly small proportion of the firearms held privately in the USA. The rest are subject to licensing restrictions, I take it?


No. You don't need a license to own firearms in the USA.

You only need a license if you intend to carry a concealed handgun on your person.
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Mustang;1314261 wrote: No. You don't need a license to own firearms in the USA.

You only need a license if you intend to carry a concealed handgun on your person.


Seriously? I've no idea what I've been reading all these years then. There's no regional variation, perhaps?
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spot;1314264 wrote: Seriously? I've no idea what I've been reading all these years then. There's no regional variation, perhaps?


Sure, it varies from State to State. Where I reside, I do not need a license to own, just to carry concealed.

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I recently purchased brand new knives for the kitchen and collected up all the old and worn ready to throw them out. Not wishing to put them in my bin nor take them to the nearest tip, i thought i was doing the responsible thing by taking them to the police station for them to dispose of and i wish i hadn't bothered. The first question i was asked was where did i get them? Was i thanked for being responsible? Not on your nelly as i was treated to a barrage of inane questions by some jobsworth on the front desk until i pointed out that should i be a mass murderer, i was hardly likely to hand them to the police with my dabs on them, in full view of cctv camera's in the cop shop and give them my address.
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Back in the late '40's through the 50's my dad, being a gun collector, would befriend sheriffs and police chiefs. At times some would sell him confiscated guns and ammo they didn't want or need for evidence. Most often they made him buy the whole lot or none at all. Our house was often awash in weapons.

Thank God they stopped all that and made us crime free now. (Sarcasm).
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