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Has any of our UK friends had the "FINDUS" beef lasagna? It appears that it is made with horse beef.

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I wonder how the MR.ED strip steak would compare to a KC strip steak. I've never eaten horse but it being a grain eater I would surmise that it would be comparable to beef, venison or buffalo.

Anyone here ever eat horse knowingly?
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It's no secret here that I love horses, particually those that jump over fences with a vertically challenged Irish man on It's back.

However, I am a realist and know that horse meat Is eaten. I myself would never want to eat It and my main objection to horse meat is the truly appalling transportation conditions of horses In transit across Europe and the horrific practices In some horse slaughter houses. I have seen the evidence. I recently backed Andrew Brons call to The European Parliament over this Issue.

Taking out the sheer cruelty aspect of some slaughter houses, It's not the eating of horse meat that Is the Issue but the criminal deception of what looks like now, a French supplier breaking every law In the EU book by selling horse meat as beef.

I myself am thankfully not affected. I wouldn't buy anything from Findus and very rarely buy ready meals. I don't buy burgers either but If I had, I'd be pretty upset that I had been duped Into eating meat that I chose to boycott.
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oscar;1419520 wrote: It's no secret here that I love horses, particually those that jump over fences with a vertically challenged Irish man on It's back.

However, I am a realist and know that horse meat Is eaten. I myself would never want to eat It and my main objection to horse meat is the truly appalling transportation conditions of horses In transit across Europe and the horrific practices In some horse slaughter houses. I have seen the evidence. I recently backed Andrew Brons call to The European Parliament over this Issue.

Taking out the sheer cruelty aspect of some slaughter houses, It's not the eating of horse meat that Is the Issue but the criminal deception of what looks like now, a French supplier breaking every law In the EU book by selling horse meat as beef.

I myself am thankfully not affected. I wouldn't buy anything from Findus and very rarely buy ready meals. I don't buy burgers either but If I had, I'd be pretty upset that I had been duped Into eating meat that I chose to boycott.


I understand your stance. I would probably try it. I've eaten venison,elk,buffalo,lamb,goat etc. but never horse.
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Long ago, I had pancakes that had mare's milk used in the batter,

but never eaten horse meat.

In addition to the transportation aspect and the slaughter

conditions Oscar mentioned, the overwhelming likelihood of

seriously bad for you DRUGS that could be in the horse meat

should be enough to put anyone off of trying it, at the very least

on a regular basis or not knowing supplier.
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What Val said. I linked an article awhile back about how unsafe horsemeat is due to the unregulated and prolific use of drugs in horses to keep them on their feet and earning money.

The most common pharmacological concern when it comes to horse meat is an anti-inflammatory drug called phenylbutazone, or “bute.” Whatever the exact lineup of drugs administered, many racehorses receive a steady dosage of bute. For all its effectiveness in treating horse pain, however, bute, a carcinogen, is strongly linked with bone marrow and liver problems in humans. In fact, the danger it poses is so acute that the FDA has banned its use in animals intended for human consumption because, according to one peer-reviewed study in Food and Chemical Toxicology, “it causes serious and lethal idiosyncratic adverse effects in humans.”


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I heard on the News "Burger King" was selling beef burgers which was actually horse meat.

People have been eating horse meat for years

The deception has been going for years. probably will continue.

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Anyone that eats pig shouldn't have a problem with horse.
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Any meat product produced with good health practices in place is OK as far as I am concerned.

The problem here is the products were falsely claimed to be Beef, the customer should always have the choice.
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We the UK have labelling laws and advertising laws.... plain and simple.

It's not about anyone eating horse meat but about criminal deception of horse meat SOLD and advertised as beef.
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SnoozeAgain;1419532 wrote:



M. Wells Dinette horse meat scandal: Why horse meat is more dangerous than you think. - Slate Magazine


I saw that. As I understand It, there Is testing going on right now to find any drugs In the horse meat.
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YZGI;1419542 wrote: Anyone that eats pig shouldn't have a problem with horse.


Au contraire, mon ami! One of the very early reasons for

keeping and consuming pigs was their incredible ease of

growth on pretty much anything anyone was able to feed

them, and "everything but the squeal" being edible.

Of course nowadays they've found more ways to use more

parts of other animals, and there is the concern about

antibiotic use in so many farm raised animals, but still.

The other thing to consider with animals such as racehorses

entering the food chain, is probably a majority of the colts/stallions

are left intact, and consuming that meat opens you up to the

vast world of testosterone consumption, even given that you

could get animals w/o the rest of the drugs in them.

Beef cattle, for the most part, are steers w/o testosterone

because they have been snipped prior to adulthood.
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valerie;1419570 wrote: Au contraire, mon ami! One of the very early reasons for

keeping and consuming pigs was their incredible ease of

growth on pretty much anything anyone was able to feed

them, and "everything but the squeal" being edible.

Of course nowadays they've found more ways to use more

parts of other animals, and there is the concern about

antibiotic use in so many farm raised animals, but still.

The other thing to consider with animals such as racehorses

entering the food chain, is probably a majority of the colts/stallions

are left intact, and consuming that meat opens you up to the

vast world of testosterone consumption, even given that you

could get animals w/o the rest of the drugs in them.

Beef cattle, for the most part, are steers w/o testosterone

because they have been snipped prior to adulthood.


OK, how bout a properly farm raised horse?

I would imagine Shetland meat would be a hard sale.
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^ If you could actually get a properly farm raised horse, then yeah,

while I personally wouldn't eat it, it would be a better option for

those who would.

What really should happen is a lot more controls. Especially since

pretty much the whole horse industry in the U.S. has been in the

toilet for several years now. I doubt you could really make any

money between the cost of raising a horse and what you'd get for meat.

That's why we have so many kill buyers here in the states paying

squat for horses at auction, and shipping them off.

Again, pigs are a much more cost effective option.
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Substances of potential abuse (the use of steroids in Britain is strictly prohibited in both horses on the racecourse and

those in training).

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I suspect it will turn out this has been a long term criminal fraud activity. Does rather beg the question what checks tesco and findus had in place to test the quality of what they were paying for.

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Beef cattle, for the most part, are steers w/o testosterone

because they have been snipped prior to adulthood.


Actually there is a health issue with beef cattle being injected with female hormones to promote growth. It's one of the issues the US and the EU fight about, the EU bans the use of hormones that america and canada still use and consequently banned the import of american beef. You've got a lot more to worry about than we do.

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You're right, gmc, I was only speaking about the male part of it. (No comments, YZGI!!)

We do have dairy products here that are certified BGH free, but they are pricey and

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valerie;1419581 wrote: You're right, gmc, I was only speaking about the male part of it. (No comments, YZGI!!)

We do have dairy products here that are certified BGH free, but they are pricey and

out of reach of a lot of people.


We're better off in that regard, after the mass boycott of foods containing GM crops the demand for organic produce and foods turned out to be so big that all the main supermarkets carry a large range and there was also massive consumer demand for home grown food so if I am buying meat I at least usually know where it is actually from in some cases which farm is shown on the label as well. I very seldom buy things like ready meals anyway. Ironically it's eu rules that have shut down many local abattoirs and led to the processing of meat by large processes who supply a number of large customers including own brand stuff.
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gmc;1419591 wrote: We're better off in that regard, after the mass boycott of foods containing GM crops the demand for organic produce and foods turned out to be so big that all the main supermarkets carry a large range and there was also massive consumer demand for home grown food so if I am buying meat I at least usually know where it is actually from in some cases which farm is shown on the label as well. I very seldom buy things like ready meals anyway. Ironically it's eu rules that have shut down many local abattoirs and led to the processing of meat by large processes who supply a number of large customers including own brand stuff.


You're right

Farm shops and Organic foods are huge business here.
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Never eaten horse meat.

Healthy when slaughtered, I be breaking out the BBQ.

Just to be clear, mislabeling is a big No No.
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News just In....

Scotland Yard have now been brought in to Investigate the criminal side of things.
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It depends on what Country your in - but everything is eaten

if it crawls - swims - walks or barks it's eaten.

What's the (out of the norm) item that you've eaten..?

Mine would be snails - creeped my husband out - I guess I'm more adventurous.

and they were delish .

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Patsy Warnick;1419644 wrote: It depends on what Country your in - but everything is eaten

if it crawls - swims - walks or barks it's eaten.

What's the (out of the norm) item that you've eaten..?

Mine would be snails - creeped my husband out - I guess I'm more adventurous.

and they were delish .

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Mathimbi, or caterpillar, didn't like them wouldn't recommend them
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In Siberia they eat not only horse meat but reindeer and dog. Beef tends to be too expensive to raise in that climate. I have eaten reindeer and it is much like venison. I have eaten kebabs and other Russian/Siberian meat products in various forms and never questioned the contents.

I'll eat just about anything, just don't tell me what it is. :)
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I've eaten Ostrich. Very Gamey taste....

But then I bought It as Ostrich not advertised as Beef which Is the whole criminal point here In the UK with the horse meat.
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oscar;1419690 wrote: I've eaten Ostrich. Very Gamey taste....

But then I bought It as Ostrich not advertised as Beef which Is the whole criminal point here In the UK with the horse meat.


Exactly. We can choose to eat what we like but we are entitled to know what it is we're eating. It certainly dents any confidence we may have had in mass produced food.
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Patsy Warnick;1419644 wrote: It depends on what Country your in - but everything is eaten

if it crawls - swims - walks or barks it's eaten.

What's the (out of the norm) item that you've eaten..?

Mine would be snails - creeped my husband out - I guess I'm more adventurous.

and they were delish .

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I've eaten escargot, alligator, ostrich, monkey, snake, etc. I don't do bugs though.
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YZGI;1419929 wrote: I've eaten escargot, alligator, ostrich, monkey, snake, etc. I don't do bugs though.


How would you classify escargot ?
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Bruv;1419677 wrote: Mathimbi, or caterpillar, didn't like them wouldn't recommend them


I've eaten similar, I think they were mopani. I'll give anything a try, except maybe those balut ( Duck embryo) from the Phillipines. Thats a step too far for me
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Bruv;1419934 wrote: How would you classify escargot ?


Its alright. I wouldn't order it on purpose though. had it at a vender get together. It was a bit slimey for my tastes.
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YZGI;1419943 wrote: Its alright. I wouldn't order it on purpose though. had it at a vender get together. It was a bit slimey for my tastes.


Calling snails, escargot doesn't mean they are any less bugs,and you said you don't do bugs
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Bruv;1419948 wrote: Calling snails, escargot doesn't mean they are any less bugs,and you said you don't do bugs


Hmm. Never thought of a snail as a bug. Bugs to me, don't have much meat on them. Snails always reminded me of oysters more than bugs.
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Snowfire;1419937 wrote: I've eaten similar, I think they were mopani. I'll give anything a try, except maybe those balut ( Duck embryo) from the Phillipines. Thats a step too far for me


I have it on good authority we ate the same thing, mathimbi is Ndebele, mopani is Shona.

Just a little too crunchy for me.
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Bugs are any insect to me.

I wonder why many people are wary of eating land bugs, such as locust, caterpillar and snail.

But will seek out sea bugs such as prawns, shrimps, crabs and lobsters?
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Snails are mollusks, like oysters.

You trying to bug me? Telling me I've eaten bugs....

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Bruv;1419955 wrote: Bugs are any insect to me.

I wonder why many people are wary of eating land bugs, such as locust, caterpillar and snail.

But will seek out sea bugs such as prawns, shrimps, crabs and lobsters?


I reckon taste has to have something to do with it.
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YZGI;1419960 wrote: Snails are mollusks, like oysters.

You trying to bug me? Telling me I've eaten bugs....

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Bugs/Incests ?

I shall let you do the punchline.



OK I concede, technically not insects.
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Bruv;1419963 wrote: Bugs/Incests ?

I shall let you do the punchline.



OK I concede, technically not insects.


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Bruv;1419951 wrote: I have it on good authority we ate the same thing, mathimbi is Ndebele, mopani is Shona.

Just a little too crunchy for me.


Ah, then we are on the same page. I tried it once in Harare. Just the once mind.

Sadza, I got to like and had it at least once a week. Never found the stomach for Chibuku though
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I am still having sadza every week, sometimes more than once or twice.

Chibuku is an acquired taste, I tried it, thought it might be better cooler than I had it and tweeked a bit, maybe with ice and lemonade.
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Bruv;1419948 wrote: Calling snails, escargot doesn't mean they are any less bugs,and you said you don't do bugs What are you on about? Escargot Is snails.... snails are Molluscs not bugs.
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I will not eat sushi, I don't see what the craze is. You use Sushi as bait to catch things you cook and then eat.
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Scrat;1419998 wrote: I will not eat sushi, I don't see what the craze is. You use Sushi as bait to catch things you cook and then eat.
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Scrat;1419998 wrote: I will not eat sushi, I don't see what the craze is. You use Sushi as bait to catch things you cook and then eat. I love Sushi but only the raw fish variety.

We have a wonderful emporium downtown where you can buy Nori, wasabi and all the sources. I use raw tuna....although I must confess my rolling skills need vastly Improving.
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I've never tried sushi

I don't understand the craze anymore than Scrat

I have no itnterest to try sushi and it's everywhere..?

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Patsy Warnick;1420021 wrote: I've never tried sushi

I don't understand the craze anymore than Scrat

I have no itnterest to try sushi and it's everywhere..?

Patsy


On It's own It can be bland... there's a wealth of Japanese sauces that make It delish
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More wasabi!

Less Secretariat. ;)
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halfway;1420079 wrote: More wasabi!

Less Secretariat. ;) Served with a Seabiscuit

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