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This is a new one to me

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Do you get taught about it at school?
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Nope. Wasn't on out agenda when I was a kid.

But then, neither were the McCarthy hearings.
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Research would suggest it is another of those conspiracy rumours with little foundation in truth.
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LarsMac;1342047 wrote: Nope. Wasn't on out agenda when I was a kid.

But then, neither were the McCarthy hearings.


Why would something like that not be part of the curriculum? I'm surprised it wouldn't be covered as part of teaching history just as amatter of course along with the civil rights movement. You learn about the depression and the like don't you? Prohibition as well - that was the result of right wing christian politics. The McCarthy era always seemed to me to be the last fling of the american fascists, especially when you look at who the targets were.

Research would suggest it is another of those conspiracy rumours with little foundation in truth.


Have there not been recent releases of secret dicuments from that period, like us you have sixty and seventy year moratoriums on the release of government documents. Specifically the report of the congressional commitee that investigated the planned coup. The mocormack dixteen commitee.

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It would be fascinating to go read them, I dare say they will be put on line eventually.

The recent release of documents from the cuban missile crisis is an eye opener - looks like kennedy was having a real problem controlling the military and preventing them escalating the situation to full scale war. There are russian documents now available as well. When you look at both you appreciate how close a nuclear exchange really was. What you think happened is sometimes not what did. Some of the ones in the UK are fascinating, when the british navy mutinied at invergordon in 1931 it was actually the king that talked to the mutineers and was instrumental in preventing the use of force, his role wasn't known until recently.
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gmc;1342064 wrote: Why would something like that not be part of the curriculum? I'm surprised it wouldn't be covered as part of teaching history just as amatter of course along with the civil rights movement. You learn about the depression and the like don't you? Prohibition as well - that was the result of right wing christian politics. The McCarthy era always seemed to me to be the last fling of the american fascists, especially when you look at who the targets were.



Have there not been recent releases of secret dicuments from that period, like us you have sixty and seventy year moratoriums on the release of government documents. Specifically the report of the congressional commitee that investigated the planned coup. The mocormack dixteen commitee.

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It would be fascinating to go read them, I dare say they will be put on line eventually.

The recent release of documents from the cuban missile crisis is an eye opener - looks like kennedy was having a real problem controlling the military and preventing them escalating the situation to full scale war. There are russian documents now available as well. When you look at both you appreciate how close a nuclear exchange really was. What you think happened is sometimes not what did. Some of the ones in the UK are fascinating, when the british navy mutinied at invergordon in 1931 it was actually the king that talked to the mutineers and was instrumental in preventing the use of force, his role wasn't known until recently.


Well, the Cuban Missile thing was very close, indeed. I was a boy when that was going on, but lived in an area where a lot of defense related activity was going on, and seveal families had members in the middle of the preparations.

As for Mr Bush, though, it would seem out of character for him to have been in the middle of that issue. Even so, such an event would not have bubbled to the top of public awareness by the time I was in school.

A lot of things get talked about over cigars and brandy, but that does not make them a reality.

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LarsMac;1342088 wrote: Well, the Cuban Missile thing was very close, indeed. I was a boy when that was going on, but lived in an area where a lot of defense related activity was going on, and seveal families had members in the middle of the preparations.

As for Mr Bush, though, it would seem out of character for him to have been in the middle of that issue. Even so, such an event would not have bubbled to the top of public awareness by the time I was in school.

A lot of things get talked about over cigars and brandy, but that does not make them a reality.

insanity is often genius, unfulfilled.


I wouldn't have thought it would have worked anyway - or at least not for long.
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gmc;1342006 wrote: This is a new one to me

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Do you get taught about it at school?


Untrue story on its face. It's a leftist attempt to associate R's with fascists when in fact fascism is a leftist movement.
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Here's what my dictionary says:

fascism fasc"ism (f[a^]sh"[i^]z'm) n.

1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian

hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and

liberalism.

[WordNet 1.5]

2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute

control of a single dictator, allowing no political

opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly

controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such

regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly

nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.

[PJC]

3. Specifically, the Fascist movement led by Benito Mussolini

in Italy from 1922 to 1943.

[PJC]

4. broadly, a tendency toward or support of a strongly

authoritarian or dictatorial control of government or

other organizations; -- often used pejoratively in this

sense.

[PJC]



-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

fascism

n : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical

government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)



-- From WordNet (r) 2.0

72 Moby Thesaurus words for "fascism":

Jim Crow, Jim Crow law, Nazism, anti-Semitism, apartheid,

argumentum baculinum, big stick, black power, black supremacy,

centralism, chauvinism, class consciousness, class distinction,

class hatred, class prejudice, class war, collectivism, color bar,

color line, communism, constitutionalism, democratism, despotism,

discrimination, domination, domineering, federalism, feudalism,

feudality, governmentalism, heavy hand, high hand, imperialism,

iron boot, iron hand, iron heel, know-nothingism, male chauvinist,

minority prejudice, monarchism, national socialism, neofascism,

oppression, parliamentarianism, parliamentarism, pluralism,

political principles, race hatred, race prejudice, race snobbery,

racial discrimination, racialism, racism, red-baiting,

reign of terror, republicanism, royalism, segregation,

sex discrimination, sexism, social barrier, social discrimination,

socialism, statism, superpatriotism, terrorism, thought control,

tyranny, ultranationalism, white power, white supremacy,

xenophobia

I'd agree it is beginning to seemingly apply to many democrats today, since the democratic party has been hijacked by the moderate republicans and is no longer liberal, really. But make no mistake, it definitely applies to the right.

Here's 'fascist':

fascist

adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist

propaganda" [syn: fascistic]

n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian

views



-- From WordNet (r) 2.0

37 Moby Thesaurus words for "fascist":

absolute, aristocratic, authoritarian, autocratic, autonomous,

bureaucratic, civic, civil, constitutional, democratic, despotic,

dictatorial, federal, federalist, federalistic, governmental,

gubernatorial, heteronomous, matriarchal, matriarchic, monarchal,

monarchial, monarchic, monocratic, official, oligarchal,

oligarchic, parliamentarian, parliamentary, patriarchal,

patriarchic, pluralistic, political, republican, self-governing,

theocratic, totalitarian





-- From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0

fascist adj. 1. [common] Said of a computer system with excessive or

annoying security barriers, usage limits, or access policies. The

implication is that said policies are preventing hackers from getting

interesting work done. The variant `fascistic' seems to have been

preferred at MIT, poss. by analogy with `touristic' (see tourist or

under the influence of German/Yiddish `faschistisch'). 2. In the design

of languages and other software tools, `the fascist alternative' is the

most restrictive and structured way of capturing a particular function;

the implication is that this may be desirable in order to simplify the

implementation or provide tighter error checking. Compare

bondage-and-discipline language, that term is global rather

than local.





-- From Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001)

fascist



Said of a computer system with excessive or annoying

security barriers, usage limits, or access policies. The

implication is that said policies are preventing hackers from

getting interesting work done. The variant "fascistic" seems

to have been preferred at MIT.
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wikipedia wrote: While historians have questioned whether or not a coup was actually close to execution, most agree that some sort of "wild scheme" was contemplated and discussed.[2][3][4][5][6] Contemporaneous media initially dismissed the plot, with a New York Times editorial characterizing it as a "gigantic hoax".[7] When the committee's final report was released, the Times said the committee "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a Fascist march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "It also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized Fascist march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".[8]


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I taught US history as recently as last year, and I've never heard of this. The 3 minutes of research I just did shows that at least some think it a credible story. Makes one wonder what else is hidden in our attic.
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While historians have questioned whether or not a coup was actually close to execution, most agree that some sort of "wild scheme" was contemplated and discussed.[2][3][4][5][6] Contemporaneous media initially dismissed the plot, with a New York Times editorial characterizing it as a "gigantic hoax".[7] When the committee's final report was released, the Times said the committee "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a Fascist march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "It also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized Fascist march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".[8]


A lot of "wild schemes" have been contemplated and discussed.

Doesn't make them history.

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LarsMac;1347144 wrote: A lot of "wild schemes" have been contemplated and discussed.

Doesn't make them history.

I could tell you stories.:wah: We could make it a college course: American Lore and Urban Legends. :D
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Accountable;1347162 wrote: :wah: We could make it a college course: American Lore and Urban Legends. :D


It's what's being taught now in the public failure factories as American history.

Jim Crow Donks

black power, black supremacy Donks

centralism Donks

class consciousness, class distinction,

class hatred, class prejudice, class war Donks

democratism Umm, that would be the donks, no?

domination, domineering, federalism Donks again...

governmentalism, heavy hand, high hand, imperialism,

iron boot, iron hand, iron heel, know-nothingism Has donk painted all over it.

national socialism Donks...need I go on?

Thanx for making my points for me.

Have you ever taken a poli-sci course?

What in the freakin' world would ever make you think that any socialist movement like fascism is rightwing???? :wah:
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BaghdadBob;1347173 wrote: It's what's being taught now in the public failure factories as American history.

Donks

Donks

Donks

Donks

Umm, that would be the donks, no?

Donks again...

Has donk painted all over it.

Donks...need I go on?You really need to change the channel every once in a while. Perhaps an expansion of vocabulary.

BaghdadBob;1347173 wrote: Thanx for making my points for me.

Have you ever taken a poli-sci course?

What in the freakin' world would ever make you think that any socialist movement like fascism is rightwing???? :wah:The dictionary too liberal for ya?
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BaghdadBob;1347173 wrote: It's what's being taught now in the public failure factories as American history.I teach American history in public school. The White House Coup isn't mentioned at all.

BaghdadBob;1347173 wrote: Have you ever taken a poli-sci course?No, but I take it that you have? Is that your idea of the best place to learn conservative political theory?

BaghdadBob;1347173 wrote: What in the freakin' world would ever make you think that any socialist movement like fascism is rightwing???? :wah::-2 I don't get where you got this idea. I never mentioned anything like that.
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Ahso!;1347176 wrote:

The dictionary too liberal for ya?


Don't be told what and how to think. Use yer damned noggin for something besides a seat cushion.

Try to reason thru this: If socialism is a leftist movement and the Nazis (National Socialist German Workers' Party) were a socialist movement, then...





(Come on! I know you can admit it to yourself. Don't keep pretending socialists {collectivists} are conservative {individualists}.)
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BaghdadBob;1347215 wrote: Don't be told what and how to think. Use yer damned noggin for something besides a seat cushion.

Try to reason thru this: If socialism is a leftist movement and the Nazis (National Socialist German Workers' Party) were a socialist movement, then...





(Come on! I know you can admit it to yourself. Don't keep pretending socialists {collectivists} are conservative {individualists}.)So, you'd like to rewrite the dictionary? Lets just use the language we now have and our existing dictionary. Deal?
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BaghdadBob;1347086 wrote: Untrue story on its face. It's a leftist attempt to associate R's with fascists when in fact fascism is a leftist movement.


I suppose you believe the communist revolution in Russia was a right wing attempt to overthrow the liberal government of kerensky and restore the monarchy.

What does donks mean by the way?

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I teach American history in public school. The White House Coup isn't mentioned at all.




Thanks, I was just curious. Do they teach much about the great depression, new deal etc etc? Vetnam war - do the pentagon papers get a mention nowadays as a matter of course or is that something for university courses?
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Donks is slang for democrats (the symbol for the democratic party is a donkey).
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BaghdadBob;1347215 wrote: Don't be told what and how to think. Use yer damned noggin for something besides a seat cushion.

Try to reason thru this: If socialism is a leftist movement and the Nazis (National Socialist German Workers' Party) were a socialist movement, then...





(Come on! I know you can admit it to yourself. Don't keep pretending socialists {collectivists} are conservative {individualists}.)


Umm,...

:-3

:rolleyes:

:wah:

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

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gmc;1347299 wrote: Thanks, I was just curious. Do they teach much about the great depression, new deal etc etc? Vetnam war - do the pentagon papers get a mention nowadays as a matter of course or is that something for university courses?No mention right now, but the textbooks are going through a major rewrite now. I'm not sure if the new editions are coming 2011 or 2012.
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Ahso!;1347300 wrote: Donks is slang for democrats (the symbol for the democratic party is a donkey).


Thanks Ahso, I was wondering what that word meant.
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Ahso!;1347300 wrote: Donks is slang for democrats (the symbol for the democratic party is a donkey).


You're kidding right? Is that because they are stubborn or because they know heehaw?
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Ahso!;1347300 wrote: Donks is slang for democrats (the symbol for the democratic party is a donkey).


chonsigirl;1347331 wrote: Thanks Ahso, I was wondering what that word meant.


gmc;1347339 wrote: You're kidding right? Is that because they are stubborn or because they know heehaw?


This was the first time I ever heard that.

HERE is the only definition of "Donks" I had ever heard, before.
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LarsMac;1347343 wrote: This was the first time I ever heard that.

HERE is the only definition of "Donks" I had ever heard, before.It's the first time I'd heard it as well, I deduced that's what he meant by it, though. I can't think of any other purpose for the word especially in the context he applied it to.
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:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

If you come across a british tourist don't offer to show him your donk because you just might get a very puzzled response.
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gmc;1347349 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

If you come across a british tourist don't offer to show him your donk because you just might get a very puzzled response.I'll tell them they are in the land of Donks.
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gmc;1347349 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

If you come across a british tourist don't offer to show him your donk because you just might get a very puzzled response.I had deduced the meaning, too. I'd never heard it before, but you can bet the double-meaning was hardly an accident.
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Ahso!;1347217 wrote: So, you'd like to rewrite the dictionary? Lets just use the language we now have and our existing dictionary. Deal?


I just got to the point of imagining somebody thinking Hitler was a Communist (or even a Socialist like Blair :yh_rotfl) and it took me five minutes to start breathing again with laughing so much :wah:
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Bryn Mawr;1347379 wrote: I just got to the point of imagining somebody thinking Hitler was a Communist (or even a Socialist like Blair :yh_rotfl) and it took me five minutes to start breathing again with laughing so much :wah:There were two (Heckle and Jeckle we'll call them), they were a gas. I wonder if they'll be back.
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I have a friend (A Brit) who likes to say, "Oh, sure, I believe in Socialism, but only on a national scale."
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LarsMac;1347387 wrote: I have a friend (A Brit) who likes to say, "Oh, sure, I believe in Socialism, but only on a national scale."


Closet Tory. Simple test, get him this for christmas:sneaky:

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gmc;1347560 wrote: Closet Tory. Simple test, get him this for christmas:sneaky:

I STILL HATE THATCHER T SHIRT on eBay (end time 17-Jan-11 12:46:22 GMT)


:yh_rotfl

Thanks! That is just the thing I was looking for to send him.

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