The British are coming, the British are coming
The British are coming, the British are coming
This quote was attributed to Paul Revere on his famous night time ride, warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776. Actually he never said it.
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
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Lon;1114522 wrote: This quote was attributed to Paul Revere on his famous night time ride, warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776. Actually he never said it.
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
Are you flaming again by stirring up anti-Britishness Lon? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
Are you flaming again by stirring up anti-Britishness Lon? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
The British are coming, the British are coming
This quote was attributed to Paul Revere on his famous night time ride, warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776. Actually he never said it.
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
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:wah:
Did you just now realize this, Lon?
Did you just now realize this, Lon?
Life is a Highway. Let's share the Commute.
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along-for-the-ride;1114534 wrote: :wah:
Did you just now realize this, Lon?
No---I've suffered in silence.:wah:
Did you just now realize this, Lon?
No---I've suffered in silence.:wah:
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I think Lon hiccupped and accidently posted the same thread twice.
Okay, Lon, can you hold your breath for 10 seconds?
Okay, Lon, can you hold your breath for 10 seconds?
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Actually, that statement was made in 1964 when the Beatles arrived in our country to entertain us.
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along-for-the-ride;1114548 wrote: Actually, that statement was made in 1964 when the Beatles arrived in our country to entertain us.
Entertain you? My, you certainly are amused easily.
The Rolling Stones we sent you......... now your talking :-6
Entertain you? My, you certainly are amused easily.
The Rolling Stones we sent you......... now your talking :-6
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oscar;1114573 wrote: Entertain you? My, you certainly are amused easily.
The Rolling Stones we sent you......... now your talking :-6
Remember the saying------------"A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss" A little Grass maybe.:wah:
The Rolling Stones we sent you......... now your talking :-6
Remember the saying------------"A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss" A little Grass maybe.:wah:
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Oh, I want a fife!
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In a very funny mood Lon....whattsup ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1114579 wrote: In a very funny mood Lon....whattsup ?
YouTube - Fawlty Towers | Germans
YouTube - Fawlty Towers | Germans
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Actually, Lon is doing a very cruel wind-up of the British:
"The British are coming" may have struck fear into the heart of the Damned Rebels in 1775, but when the Brits go to NZ and play rugby, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to Australia and play cricket, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to South Africa and play either game, we get our arses handed to us...you get the picture.
How cruel!:)
"The British are coming" may have struck fear into the heart of the Damned Rebels in 1775, but when the Brits go to NZ and play rugby, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to Australia and play cricket, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to South Africa and play either game, we get our arses handed to us...you get the picture.
How cruel!:)
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Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1114932 wrote: Actually, Lon is doing a very cruel wind-up of the British:
"The British are coming" may have struck fear into the heart of the Damned Rebels in 1775, but when the Brits go to NZ and play rugby, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to Australia and play cricket, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to South Africa and play either game, we get our arses handed to us...you get the picture.
How cruel!:)
Good morning Clodhopper. Your up very early for a British person. We're just having a spot of tiffin... care to join us old chap?
"The British are coming" may have struck fear into the heart of the Damned Rebels in 1775, but when the Brits go to NZ and play rugby, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to Australia and play cricket, we get our arses handed to us on a plate. When we go to South Africa and play either game, we get our arses handed to us...you get the picture.
How cruel!:)
Good morning Clodhopper. Your up very early for a British person. We're just having a spot of tiffin... care to join us old chap?
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jimbo;1114925 wrote: an anti british thread if i ever saw one :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
dont mention the war ......of independance mentioned it once ...think i got away with it
now for a nice cup of tea :):) .......ooops nearly mention the tea party ... chimps tea party.... not boston :wah:
then i'll put on my coat ...my grey one ........ not a red one .......oh red coats .... british .....oh the war of independance it always comes back to that doesn't it :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Naughty wicked Jumbo. Typical british tactic that one. sneak in while the Americans are asleep, start a war and retreat quickly before they notice you've been there.
Whoops.... did i mention the war? Terribly sorry old bean, must have been a slip of the tongue.
dont mention the war ......of independance mentioned it once ...think i got away with it
now for a nice cup of tea :):) .......ooops nearly mention the tea party ... chimps tea party.... not boston :wah:
then i'll put on my coat ...my grey one ........ not a red one .......oh red coats .... british .....oh the war of independance it always comes back to that doesn't it :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Naughty wicked Jumbo. Typical british tactic that one. sneak in while the Americans are asleep, start a war and retreat quickly before they notice you've been there.
Whoops.... did i mention the war? Terribly sorry old bean, must have been a slip of the tongue.
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Oscar: Don't mind if I do............Aaaaaah! A nice refreshing bucket of the Co-ops Finest Fairtrade. Just the ticket!
Probably not here for long today. Have this slightly blurry recollection of getting back from the local in the wee early hours and posting, so I just wanted to be sure I hadn't been too appalling. Apart from advocating Absolute Monarchy it seems reasonably ok.
Probably not here for long today. Have this slightly blurry recollection of getting back from the local in the wee early hours and posting, so I just wanted to be sure I hadn't been too appalling. Apart from advocating Absolute Monarchy it seems reasonably ok.
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Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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jimbo;1114936 wrote: we lost that one so i feel i cant be accused of being anti american on that one ....can i ?:-3:-3
i expect them british will lay into me now and call me a turn coat ...... oh red coat i completely forgot about that ..... boston tea party and all that :D
Or a turnpike.
We lost that one because we didn't have the American's on our side :yh_rotfl
i expect them british will lay into me now and call me a turn coat ...... oh red coat i completely forgot about that ..... boston tea party and all that :D
Or a turnpike.
We lost that one because we didn't have the American's on our side :yh_rotfl
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Clodhopper;1114939 wrote: Oscar: Don't mind if I do............Aaaaaah! A nice refreshing bucket of the Co-ops Finest Fairtrade. Just the ticket!
Probably not here for long today. Have this slightly blurry recollection of getting back from the local in the wee early hours and posting, so I just wanted to be sure I hadn't been too appalling. Apart from advocating Absolute Monarchy it seems reasonably ok.
Mr oscar is preparing a fine full English breakfast as we speak. Or will that make you reach for the porcelain after last night?
Probably not here for long today. Have this slightly blurry recollection of getting back from the local in the wee early hours and posting, so I just wanted to be sure I hadn't been too appalling. Apart from advocating Absolute Monarchy it seems reasonably ok.
Mr oscar is preparing a fine full English breakfast as we speak. Or will that make you reach for the porcelain after last night?
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Jimbo: Didn't you know that the British WON the American War of Independence?
A collection of mostly British colonists (with French help) beat a mostly German army fighting for a German King and won their Independence. Classic British victory over those Damned Continentals. Then they got lost for a hundred years or so (we call it isolationism), turned up in California, smoked the '60s and called themselves Americans after Amerigo Vespucci who invented ice-cream.
A collection of mostly British colonists (with French help) beat a mostly German army fighting for a German King and won their Independence. Classic British victory over those Damned Continentals. Then they got lost for a hundred years or so (we call it isolationism), turned up in California, smoked the '60s and called themselves Americans after Amerigo Vespucci who invented ice-cream.
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jimbo;1114947 wrote: well at least they came in at the start of that one :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
that really was just a joke guys :o
somehow it all goes wrong for jimbo again :-5:-5
Usually they come in towards the end so good result on that one.
How late do you think they'll be in ww111? :D
that really was just a joke guys :o
somehow it all goes wrong for jimbo again :-5:-5
Usually they come in towards the end so good result on that one.
How late do you think they'll be in ww111? :D
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jimbo;1114954 wrote: no comment .... i see you what you are doing your baiting my hook so my american friends bite at me not you :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
the old get jimbo banned from the forum ploy :rolleyes:
every one knows i have lived in america and have an american daughter ... and that makes me considerably more american than yoooaa :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
i just have to never mention the you know what ever again :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm far more American than you because i speak the language fluently and i watch CSI Miami.
What is it you must never mention again?
Catch you later... Oscar's off out :D:D
the old get jimbo banned from the forum ploy :rolleyes:
every one knows i have lived in america and have an american daughter ... and that makes me considerably more american than yoooaa :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
i just have to never mention the you know what ever again :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm far more American than you because i speak the language fluently and i watch CSI Miami.
What is it you must never mention again?
Catch you later... Oscar's off out :D:D
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Lon;1114522 wrote: This quote was attributed to Paul Revere on his famous night time ride, warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776. Actually he never said it.
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
I see the fashion hasn't changed much!
In reality, the British are here and alive on FG.
I see the fashion hasn't changed much!
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sunny104;1115036 wrote: I see the fashion hasn't changed much!
Ah.... but there's a new twist now sunny and this one is fun
It has now turned into British vs English (yes, there is a difference ).
Now, it's The British baiting Jimbo into mentioning the war as many times as possible and to get him to make comments likely to offend you lovely American people, so we get him into trouble. Please feel free to bait the Jimbo as much as you like :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Ah.... but there's a new twist now sunny and this one is fun
It has now turned into British vs English (yes, there is a difference ).
Now, it's The British baiting Jimbo into mentioning the war as many times as possible and to get him to make comments likely to offend you lovely American people, so we get him into trouble. Please feel free to bait the Jimbo as much as you like :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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sunny104;1115036 wrote: I see the fashion hasn't changed much!
The uniforms had not changed that much by the War of 1812. Our troops still found them to be pretty easy targets what with all that red.
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Lon;1115542 wrote: The uniforms had not changed that much by the War of 1812. Our troops still found them to be pretty easy targets what with all that red.
And no surprise so many got shot as it must have taken an hour just to get dressed :yh_rotfl
And no surprise so many got shot as it must have taken an hour just to get dressed :yh_rotfl
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Lon;1115542 wrote: The uniforms had not changed that much by the War of 1812. Our troops still found them to be pretty easy targets what with all that red.
I believe you got your butts kicked in that one - I do know you needed a new White House..........
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
I believe you got your butts kicked in that one - I do know you needed a new White House..........
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
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Lon;1114522 wrote: This quote was attributed to Paul Revere on his famous night time ride, warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776. Actually he never said it.
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No but he did it. "warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776"
He just NEVER said it......
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No but he did it. "warning of the impending battle at Lexington during the American Revolution 1776"
He just NEVER said it......
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Chookie;1115594 wrote: I believe you got your butts kicked in that one - I do know you needed a new White House..........
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
Not sure bout gettin our butts kicked......
Buttt now "How-bout that house?"
Yippers...........We built us a new one.
And Ain't she a purty one?
SHUCKS......We just put a new family in there yesterday.
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
Not sure bout gettin our butts kicked......
Buttt now "How-bout that house?"
Yippers...........We built us a new one.
And Ain't she a purty one?
SHUCKS......We just put a new family in there yesterday.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Chookie;1115594 wrote:
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
Good Marnin Chookie and all. Sorry but this thread got me to thinking about my family history (this is a history thread......right?) and why I might be just a little prejudice against the English.
Most of my roots come from either Ireland and Scotland on my dads side.
I hope you don't get bored but this just might show you a different point of view. A view from a Scotch-Irish-American and what a hardy bunch they were. They tamed some of the harshest lands where others were afraid to venture.
My Patton's came to America before 1730. I am just going to paste some of my notes on them, long I know but I think there is some great history here that is NOT taught in hisory books today.
My 9th Great Grandfather is the starting point and most of these stories are about his decendants and what they did in Americas early history.
Patton, William
1590 - 1642
From "James Patton and the Appalachian Colonists" by Anne Rhea Bruce:
The Pattons were originally landed gentry seated at Ferrochie, Fifeshire,
Scotland. The progenitor of the Irish branch of the family, William Patton,
M.A., was born in Scotland; had immigrated to Northern Ireland during
the King James Plantation. He was in County Donegal by 1626 as Rector
of the parishes of Ramoigh and Clonmary, Barony of Raphoe and later at
Aughnish, Barony of Kilmacrenan. Reverend William Patton and his wife,
Margaret, made their home at an estate called 'Groghan', and reared two
sons, Henry and John.
From " Coming to America; A Chronicle of the American Lineage of the
Pattons" by C. L. Patton,Springfield, Illinois, 1954:
The earliest known progenitors of the Patton Pioneers in America were of
scotch origin, living in the Highlands and Lowlands of Scotland, in the
vicinity of Loch Linnhe. They were ardent Presbyterians and took their
religion
seriously. For many years they had opposed the tyranny of the English
monarchs, who had denied them the right of freedom of worship or
participation in civic affairs.
For centuries, the Irish, who were Roman Catholics, independent and
aggressive in Character, had been a source of great concern to England.
In the latter part of the sixteenth century, Queen Elizabeth conceived
the plan of
planting colonies of Protestants in Ireland, to promote loyalty in that
rebellious country. Six counties comprising a half-million acres were set
aside to form the Ulster Plantation. The settlement of this area was at
first
indifferent and inconsequential but after the advent of James the Sixth
of Scotland, who became James the First of England, at the beginning of
the seventeenth century, colonization became more active. The great
majority of
the colonists sent to Northern Ireland by James, were Scotch Lowlanders
and English from the northern counties of England. These people, through
intermarriage with the Irish, inaugurated the "Ulster Scots" or
"Scotch-Irish."
The reign of Charles the First (1625-1649) brought the Ulstermen, as well
as the Presbyterians of the Lowlands of Scotland a period of vicious
persecution, practically suppressing the Presbyterian religion in Ireland
and
demanding subservience to the Church of England, which bore heavily upon
these staunch Protestants. This persecution continued throughout the
reign of Charles the Second (1660-1685) and the passage of the
Corporation acts and
the Test Acts demanded conformity with the practices of the Church of
England. Little relief was experienced by these unhappy people during the
Cromwell Protectorate (1635-1658) which preceded the reign of Charles and
despite
the fact tha tall of this period was under Protestant domination, the
Presbyterians and Nonconformists suffered quite as badly as they did
under the persecutions of Catholic James, who ascended the throne in 1685.
It was during the reign of James the Second that the discontented and
oppressed English invited William of Orange to accept the throne; jointly
with his cousin Mary, daughter of James the Second. This precipitated war and induced many of the Scotch Lowlanders to join the army of William and proceed to Ulster to oppose the army of James. A successful resistance to the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 and a victory over the forces of James at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 terminated hostilities and established William and Mary upon the throne of England.
Despite these victories, life became almost unbeaable in Ulster because
of the many years of guerilola warfare with the Irish Celts. This,
together withthe desire for more religious freedom and political
independence and
because of the glowing accounts of life in the New World, ws a detemining
factor in causing the Ulsterites to seek their fortune in America. It is
estimated that twenty thousand of the Scotch-Irish left Ireland in the
first
three decades of the eighteenth century. More than six thousand entered
the Port of Philadelphia in the year 1729. These adventurers, however,
did not tarry long in "The City of Brotherly Love" but moved into
adjoining
counties in the Province of Pennsylvania and acquired parcels of land,
particularly in the County of Lancaster.
After a comparatively short residence in the Pennsylvania country, these
hardy Scotch-Irish pioneers developed an urge for further exploration.
Large numbers of them proceeded up the valley of the Shenandoah to the
mountains
and fertile valleys of Virginia. Coincident with this immigration was the
movement of the Germans into the valley. They, for the most part, settled
in the lower part of the valley in the region of the present town of
Winchester, while the Scotch-Irish continued their trek up the valley
into the county of Augusta and across the Blue Ridge into the present
county of Pendleton, West Virginia. Their first settlement was near the
present town
of Staunton, which had been founded by John Lewis in 1732. From thence
they spread to other parts of the Virginia Frontier, into North and South
Carolina and Tennessee. By mid-century they were exploring the Ohio and
Kentucky
country and had established themselves on the headwaters of the James
River and the region of the Cumberland. In all of these adventures the
Pattons took an active part and left ehri imipress upon the communities
in which they
lived.
It seems certain that the various Pattons settling in Augusta County,
Virginia, in the early part of the eighteenth century, were of the same
origin, the father of whom was John Patton, brother of Colonel James
Patton and
Elizabeth Patton Preston. Colonel James had come from Ireland in 1730.
Probably one of the compelling reasons for the mass migration at this
time was the forced exile of John lewis in 1729. He was a brother-in-law
of Henry
Patton, having married Margaret Lynn, sister of Henry's wife, Sarah Lynn.
They were daughters of the Laird of Loch Lynn (Linnhe). John Lewis first
took up his residence in Philadelphia but he soon went into Lancaster
County,
Pennsylvania, purchasing severla tracts of land in that county but later
moving on to the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia.
The early attempts at colonization in America by the English were made at
the incidence of the Crown and were not particlarly successful. At a
later period independent immigration took place but was sporadic and
disorganized.
It was not long however before certain small groups found their way to
the New World seeking a greater religious and political freedom than they
had experienced in the mother country. Later, independent ship-owners
brought
increasing numbers of colonists to the small communities established by
the ealier pioneers, hoping to find a haven where they might better their
fortunes and social standing. Companies were organized and controlled by
groups
of men in England, under the protection of the King, for the purpose of
increasing immigration and developing the resources of the colonies.
The immigrants were largely of the "middle class" of society and were
composed of farmers, tradesmen, artisans, laborers and apprentices. The
limited number of the "nobility" to venture to this new land were, as a
rule,
reprsentaives of the Crown and therefore not permanent residents. At a
later time, considerable numbers of "redemptioners" and "political
offenders" were transported to the colonies. There were two main sources
of ingress in
the early 1700's; one being direct to Virginia and Massachusetts and the
other up the Delaware to the Port of Philadelphia. A small number of the
Scotch-Irish landed in Charleston, South Carolina, but by far the greater
number
came direct to Philadelphia because of the liberality of the Pennsylvania
government, but the inhabitants of this part of the colony preferred to
see the newcomers pass on, so they moved inland in search of unoccupied
land.
The Scotch-Irish being on the whole the more venturesome, went further
and penetrated the mountain valleys and spread northward and southward
and thus formed a solid rim of settlement all along the Virginia
frontier. Their
first abode was in that part of Augusta County that later became
Pendleton County, West Virginia. From this stopping point they soon
advanced up the valley to southwestern Virginia, North Caolina and
Tennessee and on to Ohio,
Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri.
When the Scotch-Irish began to arrive in Philadelphia, the Secretary of
the Province of Pennsylvania wrote, "It looks to me as if all of Ireland
is to send its inhabitants hither, for last week not less than six ships
arrived.
It is strange that they thus crowd in where they are not wanted." The
Scotch-Irish were accustomed to not being wanted. This did not deter them
from a continued and steady advance into more remote parts of the
country. By
1738 when the first valley counties were established, they were in such
numbers that a petition was sent by them to the Governor of Virginia,
asking "that we might be allowed the liberty of our consciences in
worshipping God in
a way agreeable to the principles of our education." The Governor
graciously replied that "they would not be interfered with so long as
they behaved peaceably, registered their meeting places, abjured the
Stuart Pretender,
the doctrine of transubstantiation and the Pope at Rome." Nothing in this
request disturbed a Presbyterian conscience so they, in turn, agreed to
pay their tithes to the Established Church so long as they did not have to
attend its services. His Honor welcomed an increase in quitrents and the
Governor took pleasure in establishing a group of hardy people between
the rich plantation owners and the inhabitants of the frontier. Thee was
no one
to object to the Scotch-Irignh in the Valley and this time they found
rest and peace and thse descendants of the "persecuted" found contentment
and dwelt amicably, one with another.
There, early settlers in Western Virginia were descended from
nonconformist Presbyterians and the Covenanters. It has been said "They
had such a fear of God that it left no room in their hearts for any fear
of Man." Certainly
man they did not fear and persecution had taught them only to adhere more
firmly to their principles, their customs and their faith.
The Pattons, on the whole, were a God-fearing, earnest and industrious
lot and, despite trials and tribulations, became influential and
aggressive members of their communities. They occupied positions of trust
in both military
and civic affairs and in general were successful in the pursuit of
fortune.
Descendants of the early settlers, either from the Pilgrim fathers or
from the colonists of Virginia, should take a justifiable pride in their
early American ancestry. This feeling of pride, however, should rise from
the
sturdy character of the pioneers and from the things they accomplished
and not from any false idea of an aristocratic heredity imported from the
Mother Country. Those individuals who became prominent and influential in
the
development of the colonies did so through their own initiative, energy
and ability and not through the influence and favor of the "Hierarchy."
Note: Henry, with three brothers was in the army of William of Orange and participated in the defense of Londonderry from April to August 1689. He was present at the battle of the Boyne 1 July 1690. Henry and his family left Scotland during the reign of James the Second of England. He settled in the province of Ulster in North of Ireland, near the town of Newtonlimavady in the county of Derry (Now Londonderry).
Now, can I go back to taunting the PBE?*
*PBE = Poor Bloody English.
Good Marnin Chookie and all. Sorry but this thread got me to thinking about my family history (this is a history thread......right?) and why I might be just a little prejudice against the English.
Most of my roots come from either Ireland and Scotland on my dads side.
I hope you don't get bored but this just might show you a different point of view. A view from a Scotch-Irish-American and what a hardy bunch they were. They tamed some of the harshest lands where others were afraid to venture.
My Patton's came to America before 1730. I am just going to paste some of my notes on them, long I know but I think there is some great history here that is NOT taught in hisory books today.
My 9th Great Grandfather is the starting point and most of these stories are about his decendants and what they did in Americas early history.
Patton, William
1590 - 1642
From "James Patton and the Appalachian Colonists" by Anne Rhea Bruce:
The Pattons were originally landed gentry seated at Ferrochie, Fifeshire,
Scotland. The progenitor of the Irish branch of the family, William Patton,
M.A., was born in Scotland; had immigrated to Northern Ireland during
the King James Plantation. He was in County Donegal by 1626 as Rector
of the parishes of Ramoigh and Clonmary, Barony of Raphoe and later at
Aughnish, Barony of Kilmacrenan. Reverend William Patton and his wife,
Margaret, made their home at an estate called 'Groghan', and reared two
sons, Henry and John.
From " Coming to America; A Chronicle of the American Lineage of the
Pattons" by C. L. Patton,Springfield, Illinois, 1954:
The earliest known progenitors of the Patton Pioneers in America were of
scotch origin, living in the Highlands and Lowlands of Scotland, in the
vicinity of Loch Linnhe. They were ardent Presbyterians and took their
religion
seriously. For many years they had opposed the tyranny of the English
monarchs, who had denied them the right of freedom of worship or
participation in civic affairs.
For centuries, the Irish, who were Roman Catholics, independent and
aggressive in Character, had been a source of great concern to England.
In the latter part of the sixteenth century, Queen Elizabeth conceived
the plan of
planting colonies of Protestants in Ireland, to promote loyalty in that
rebellious country. Six counties comprising a half-million acres were set
aside to form the Ulster Plantation. The settlement of this area was at
first
indifferent and inconsequential but after the advent of James the Sixth
of Scotland, who became James the First of England, at the beginning of
the seventeenth century, colonization became more active. The great
majority of
the colonists sent to Northern Ireland by James, were Scotch Lowlanders
and English from the northern counties of England. These people, through
intermarriage with the Irish, inaugurated the "Ulster Scots" or
"Scotch-Irish."
The reign of Charles the First (1625-1649) brought the Ulstermen, as well
as the Presbyterians of the Lowlands of Scotland a period of vicious
persecution, practically suppressing the Presbyterian religion in Ireland
and
demanding subservience to the Church of England, which bore heavily upon
these staunch Protestants. This persecution continued throughout the
reign of Charles the Second (1660-1685) and the passage of the
Corporation acts and
the Test Acts demanded conformity with the practices of the Church of
England. Little relief was experienced by these unhappy people during the
Cromwell Protectorate (1635-1658) which preceded the reign of Charles and
despite
the fact tha tall of this period was under Protestant domination, the
Presbyterians and Nonconformists suffered quite as badly as they did
under the persecutions of Catholic James, who ascended the throne in 1685.
It was during the reign of James the Second that the discontented and
oppressed English invited William of Orange to accept the throne; jointly
with his cousin Mary, daughter of James the Second. This precipitated war and induced many of the Scotch Lowlanders to join the army of William and proceed to Ulster to oppose the army of James. A successful resistance to the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 and a victory over the forces of James at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 terminated hostilities and established William and Mary upon the throne of England.
Despite these victories, life became almost unbeaable in Ulster because
of the many years of guerilola warfare with the Irish Celts. This,
together withthe desire for more religious freedom and political
independence and
because of the glowing accounts of life in the New World, ws a detemining
factor in causing the Ulsterites to seek their fortune in America. It is
estimated that twenty thousand of the Scotch-Irish left Ireland in the
first
three decades of the eighteenth century. More than six thousand entered
the Port of Philadelphia in the year 1729. These adventurers, however,
did not tarry long in "The City of Brotherly Love" but moved into
adjoining
counties in the Province of Pennsylvania and acquired parcels of land,
particularly in the County of Lancaster.
After a comparatively short residence in the Pennsylvania country, these
hardy Scotch-Irish pioneers developed an urge for further exploration.
Large numbers of them proceeded up the valley of the Shenandoah to the
mountains
and fertile valleys of Virginia. Coincident with this immigration was the
movement of the Germans into the valley. They, for the most part, settled
in the lower part of the valley in the region of the present town of
Winchester, while the Scotch-Irish continued their trek up the valley
into the county of Augusta and across the Blue Ridge into the present
county of Pendleton, West Virginia. Their first settlement was near the
present town
of Staunton, which had been founded by John Lewis in 1732. From thence
they spread to other parts of the Virginia Frontier, into North and South
Carolina and Tennessee. By mid-century they were exploring the Ohio and
Kentucky
country and had established themselves on the headwaters of the James
River and the region of the Cumberland. In all of these adventures the
Pattons took an active part and left ehri imipress upon the communities
in which they
lived.
It seems certain that the various Pattons settling in Augusta County,
Virginia, in the early part of the eighteenth century, were of the same
origin, the father of whom was John Patton, brother of Colonel James
Patton and
Elizabeth Patton Preston. Colonel James had come from Ireland in 1730.
Probably one of the compelling reasons for the mass migration at this
time was the forced exile of John lewis in 1729. He was a brother-in-law
of Henry
Patton, having married Margaret Lynn, sister of Henry's wife, Sarah Lynn.
They were daughters of the Laird of Loch Lynn (Linnhe). John Lewis first
took up his residence in Philadelphia but he soon went into Lancaster
County,
Pennsylvania, purchasing severla tracts of land in that county but later
moving on to the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia.
The early attempts at colonization in America by the English were made at
the incidence of the Crown and were not particlarly successful. At a
later period independent immigration took place but was sporadic and
disorganized.
It was not long however before certain small groups found their way to
the New World seeking a greater religious and political freedom than they
had experienced in the mother country. Later, independent ship-owners
brought
increasing numbers of colonists to the small communities established by
the ealier pioneers, hoping to find a haven where they might better their
fortunes and social standing. Companies were organized and controlled by
groups
of men in England, under the protection of the King, for the purpose of
increasing immigration and developing the resources of the colonies.
The immigrants were largely of the "middle class" of society and were
composed of farmers, tradesmen, artisans, laborers and apprentices. The
limited number of the "nobility" to venture to this new land were, as a
rule,
reprsentaives of the Crown and therefore not permanent residents. At a
later time, considerable numbers of "redemptioners" and "political
offenders" were transported to the colonies. There were two main sources
of ingress in
the early 1700's; one being direct to Virginia and Massachusetts and the
other up the Delaware to the Port of Philadelphia. A small number of the
Scotch-Irish landed in Charleston, South Carolina, but by far the greater
number
came direct to Philadelphia because of the liberality of the Pennsylvania
government, but the inhabitants of this part of the colony preferred to
see the newcomers pass on, so they moved inland in search of unoccupied
land.
The Scotch-Irish being on the whole the more venturesome, went further
and penetrated the mountain valleys and spread northward and southward
and thus formed a solid rim of settlement all along the Virginia
frontier. Their
first abode was in that part of Augusta County that later became
Pendleton County, West Virginia. From this stopping point they soon
advanced up the valley to southwestern Virginia, North Caolina and
Tennessee and on to Ohio,
Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri.
When the Scotch-Irish began to arrive in Philadelphia, the Secretary of
the Province of Pennsylvania wrote, "It looks to me as if all of Ireland
is to send its inhabitants hither, for last week not less than six ships
arrived.
It is strange that they thus crowd in where they are not wanted." The
Scotch-Irish were accustomed to not being wanted. This did not deter them
from a continued and steady advance into more remote parts of the
country. By
1738 when the first valley counties were established, they were in such
numbers that a petition was sent by them to the Governor of Virginia,
asking "that we might be allowed the liberty of our consciences in
worshipping God in
a way agreeable to the principles of our education." The Governor
graciously replied that "they would not be interfered with so long as
they behaved peaceably, registered their meeting places, abjured the
Stuart Pretender,
the doctrine of transubstantiation and the Pope at Rome." Nothing in this
request disturbed a Presbyterian conscience so they, in turn, agreed to
pay their tithes to the Established Church so long as they did not have to
attend its services. His Honor welcomed an increase in quitrents and the
Governor took pleasure in establishing a group of hardy people between
the rich plantation owners and the inhabitants of the frontier. Thee was
no one
to object to the Scotch-Irignh in the Valley and this time they found
rest and peace and thse descendants of the "persecuted" found contentment
and dwelt amicably, one with another.
There, early settlers in Western Virginia were descended from
nonconformist Presbyterians and the Covenanters. It has been said "They
had such a fear of God that it left no room in their hearts for any fear
of Man." Certainly
man they did not fear and persecution had taught them only to adhere more
firmly to their principles, their customs and their faith.
The Pattons, on the whole, were a God-fearing, earnest and industrious
lot and, despite trials and tribulations, became influential and
aggressive members of their communities. They occupied positions of trust
in both military
and civic affairs and in general were successful in the pursuit of
fortune.
Descendants of the early settlers, either from the Pilgrim fathers or
from the colonists of Virginia, should take a justifiable pride in their
early American ancestry. This feeling of pride, however, should rise from
the
sturdy character of the pioneers and from the things they accomplished
and not from any false idea of an aristocratic heredity imported from the
Mother Country. Those individuals who became prominent and influential in
the
development of the colonies did so through their own initiative, energy
and ability and not through the influence and favor of the "Hierarchy."
Note: Henry, with three brothers was in the army of William of Orange and participated in the defense of Londonderry from April to August 1689. He was present at the battle of the Boyne 1 July 1690. Henry and his family left Scotland during the reign of James the Second of England. He settled in the province of Ulster in North of Ireland, near the town of Newtonlimavady in the county of Derry (Now Londonderry).
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Lieutenant Samuel Patton
Revolutionary War Service, 1778 - 1781
From: Samuel Patton: Revolutionary War Service, 1778-1781
Samuel Patton, great grandson of William Patton I, who emigrated with his family to America in the early 1720's from Ireland, was born in Rowan County, NC in about 1761. In 1778, Samuel enlisted in the North Carolina Militia to serve in various campaigns throughout North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia as both an infantryman and waggoner.
I have written this article from Samuel's perspective based upon testimony he delivered to a Court of Pleas and Questions in 1832 and later in 1836 to obtain pension benefits from the war. His service was never fully recognized until more than 50 years after America gained Independence from Britian.
Based upon historical documents gathered by my mother, Janet Patton, over the last decades and my own historical research I have tried to write a narrative based on historical facts. My hope is that we can get a better understanding of our ancestor and his time.
Click on the links below for each chapter of the story!
Introduction - Pension Hearing 1836
PART ONE - Battle of Briar Creek
PART TWO - Court Martial of General John Ashe
PART THREE - Battle at Monck's Corner
PART FOUR - Buford's Massacre/Battle of the Waxhaws
PART FIVE - Battle of Ramsour's Mill
PART SIX - Indian Scout
View Rev. War - Transcribed Documents
View Muster Roll - Patton's Company near Augusta, GA - 1779
Revolutionary War Service, 1778 - 1781
From: Samuel Patton: Revolutionary War Service, 1778-1781
Samuel Patton, great grandson of William Patton I, who emigrated with his family to America in the early 1720's from Ireland, was born in Rowan County, NC in about 1761. In 1778, Samuel enlisted in the North Carolina Militia to serve in various campaigns throughout North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia as both an infantryman and waggoner.
I have written this article from Samuel's perspective based upon testimony he delivered to a Court of Pleas and Questions in 1832 and later in 1836 to obtain pension benefits from the war. His service was never fully recognized until more than 50 years after America gained Independence from Britian.
Based upon historical documents gathered by my mother, Janet Patton, over the last decades and my own historical research I have tried to write a narrative based on historical facts. My hope is that we can get a better understanding of our ancestor and his time.
Click on the links below for each chapter of the story!
Introduction - Pension Hearing 1836
PART ONE - Battle of Briar Creek
PART TWO - Court Martial of General John Ashe
PART THREE - Battle at Monck's Corner
PART FOUR - Buford's Massacre/Battle of the Waxhaws
PART FIVE - Battle of Ramsour's Mill
PART SIX - Indian Scout
View Rev. War - Transcribed Documents
View Muster Roll - Patton's Company near Augusta, GA - 1779
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This is my 4th Great Grandfathers, Matthew Pattons Revolution Pension Statement. Mind you this is 1834 and he has yet to recieve a pension!!!!
Southern Campaign American Revolution Pension Statements
Pension application of Matthew Patton S31294
Transcribed by Will Graves
State of Kentucky, County of Christian
Personally appeared this 8th day of January 1834 before the Honorable Justices of
the Christian County Court and State aforesaid Mathew Patton Senr. aged Eighty four
years next June who being duly sworn doth on his oath make the following declaration in
order to obtain the benefit of an act of Congress passed June 1832. That he entered the
service of the United States as a volunteer in the year 1775 and continued therein to the
close of the war under the following named Officers -- Mordecai Gist as a Captain who
was afterwards taken & commissioned in the regular service and promoted to a Majority
next under Capt. John Sterrett & after his death under Capt. Nicholas Ruxton Moore. --
Mathew Patton Senior states he was born in May 1750 old style & next June will
be (according to the register of his age) Eighty four years old. Was born in Augusta
County State of Virginia but now called Pendleton. That he moved to Baltimore when a
young man and in 1775 was one of about sixty Gentlemen of handsome property who
organized themselves into a Company of Infantry under Captain Mordecai Gist as the
Baltimore Independent Company: that their services were tendered to the Governor of
Maryland for and during the resistance to British oppression—The first services rendered
was the quelling of Tories on the Eastern shore of Maryland in which we were engaged.
The next actual service was at the head of Elk where Lord Howe landed the
British army then on the south of Philadelphia -- Capt Gist was before this transferred to
the regular army and Captain Joshua Sterrett was our commander. We commenced our
march early in August & was in the Battles of Brandywine & Germantown & returned
home to winter quarters -- when in Battle we were under the command of Genl
Smallwood.
We were engaged in this service three months or more. Sometime after our return
Captain Sterrett died, when by unanimous consent we equipped ourselves as a troop of
Cavalry and Chose Captain Nicholas Ruxton Moore as our Captain and was received as a
State troop of Volunteer Dragoons always prepared and always willing to do any kind of
service -- This was in the year 1778 or 1779. In this Company I was a Sergeant and acted
as such to the termination of hostilities. In the foot Company Genl Saml Smith of
Baltimore was a private & after leaving us for the regular service was made a Colonel in
the same & bore a conspicuous part in the defense of Mud Island fort [sic, Fort Mifflin]--
In the Dragoons Alexander McKim (since a member of Congress) was a private -- In the
spring or summer of 1781 we joined the forces of General Lafayette on his way to
Virginia to arrest Cornwallis in his career and remained with him until Cornwallis was
shut up in York, where it was found inconvenient to keep our horses and we were
permitted to return home -- During the whole War I nor any of my comrades ever
received one dollar of compensation for our services, nor did we ever ask it. Frequently
when on duty we were compelled to sustain ourselves and horses & always when at home
our horses & arms were kept in readiness to move at a moments warning.
I would refer to each and every member of the court, to the Hon Henry Clay & the
Honorable Chittenden Lyon now in Congress for my character for probity, integrity &
veracity and their general belief of my voluntary services ---
He then states that owing to his old age & consequent loss of memory he cannot
State these various services he performed at various times during the years 1775 '76 '77
'78 79 & 81 but states positively that he was a volunteer for & during the war and
sustained horses frequently when in duty -- He hereby relinquishes every claim to a
pension or annuity, except the present and declares his name is not on the pension roll of
any agency in any State -- and states he never received any written discharge.
Sworn and subscribed to in open court the day & year aforesaid
Interlined "Senior" & "leaving us for the regular services"
S/ Matthew Patton Sr. {Seal}
We Thomas Kirkman a clergyman residing in Christian County, Ky and James C
Anserson residing in the same county & State that we are well acquainted with Matthew
Patton Sr. who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to
be Eighty four years of age next June as he has stated -- that he is reputed & believed to
have been a soldier of the revolution in this neighborhood where he has resided upwards
of twenty years, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn & subscribed the day & year afrsaid
S/ Thomas Kirkman
S/ Jas. C Anderson
Southern Campaign American Revolution Pension Statements
Pension application of Matthew Patton S31294
Transcribed by Will Graves
State of Kentucky, County of Christian
Personally appeared this 8th day of January 1834 before the Honorable Justices of
the Christian County Court and State aforesaid Mathew Patton Senr. aged Eighty four
years next June who being duly sworn doth on his oath make the following declaration in
order to obtain the benefit of an act of Congress passed June 1832. That he entered the
service of the United States as a volunteer in the year 1775 and continued therein to the
close of the war under the following named Officers -- Mordecai Gist as a Captain who
was afterwards taken & commissioned in the regular service and promoted to a Majority
next under Capt. John Sterrett & after his death under Capt. Nicholas Ruxton Moore. --
Mathew Patton Senior states he was born in May 1750 old style & next June will
be (according to the register of his age) Eighty four years old. Was born in Augusta
County State of Virginia but now called Pendleton. That he moved to Baltimore when a
young man and in 1775 was one of about sixty Gentlemen of handsome property who
organized themselves into a Company of Infantry under Captain Mordecai Gist as the
Baltimore Independent Company: that their services were tendered to the Governor of
Maryland for and during the resistance to British oppression—The first services rendered
was the quelling of Tories on the Eastern shore of Maryland in which we were engaged.
The next actual service was at the head of Elk where Lord Howe landed the
British army then on the south of Philadelphia -- Capt Gist was before this transferred to
the regular army and Captain Joshua Sterrett was our commander. We commenced our
march early in August & was in the Battles of Brandywine & Germantown & returned
home to winter quarters -- when in Battle we were under the command of Genl
Smallwood.
We were engaged in this service three months or more. Sometime after our return
Captain Sterrett died, when by unanimous consent we equipped ourselves as a troop of
Cavalry and Chose Captain Nicholas Ruxton Moore as our Captain and was received as a
State troop of Volunteer Dragoons always prepared and always willing to do any kind of
service -- This was in the year 1778 or 1779. In this Company I was a Sergeant and acted
as such to the termination of hostilities. In the foot Company Genl Saml Smith of
Baltimore was a private & after leaving us for the regular service was made a Colonel in
the same & bore a conspicuous part in the defense of Mud Island fort [sic, Fort Mifflin]--
In the Dragoons Alexander McKim (since a member of Congress) was a private -- In the
spring or summer of 1781 we joined the forces of General Lafayette on his way to
Virginia to arrest Cornwallis in his career and remained with him until Cornwallis was
shut up in York, where it was found inconvenient to keep our horses and we were
permitted to return home -- During the whole War I nor any of my comrades ever
received one dollar of compensation for our services, nor did we ever ask it. Frequently
when on duty we were compelled to sustain ourselves and horses & always when at home
our horses & arms were kept in readiness to move at a moments warning.
I would refer to each and every member of the court, to the Hon Henry Clay & the
Honorable Chittenden Lyon now in Congress for my character for probity, integrity &
veracity and their general belief of my voluntary services ---
He then states that owing to his old age & consequent loss of memory he cannot
State these various services he performed at various times during the years 1775 '76 '77
'78 79 & 81 but states positively that he was a volunteer for & during the war and
sustained horses frequently when in duty -- He hereby relinquishes every claim to a
pension or annuity, except the present and declares his name is not on the pension roll of
any agency in any State -- and states he never received any written discharge.
Sworn and subscribed to in open court the day & year aforesaid
Interlined "Senior" & "leaving us for the regular services"
S/ Matthew Patton Sr. {Seal}
We Thomas Kirkman a clergyman residing in Christian County, Ky and James C
Anserson residing in the same county & State that we are well acquainted with Matthew
Patton Sr. who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to
be Eighty four years of age next June as he has stated -- that he is reputed & believed to
have been a soldier of the revolution in this neighborhood where he has resided upwards
of twenty years, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn & subscribed the day & year afrsaid
S/ Thomas Kirkman
S/ Jas. C Anderson
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Had a bit of a skim of your history: interesting stuff.
It's something that isn't generally appreciated over here - that until WW2 for many if not most Americans, the UK was the enemy. Really, it took Kaiser Wilhelm II, Hitler AND Stalin to change that perception (though I'm sure it still lingers. These things do). Perhaps two comments by Patton illustrate this:
First one in 1944: He'll close the gap at Falaise by driving north, and if the British (actually Canadians and Poles in this case, but never mind...) happen to be in the way, he'll "drive them into the sea for a second Dunkirk."
Second one at the Berlin Victory parade in 1945, when Stalin unveiled his latest heavy tanks to the Western Allies for the first time. They were miles ahead of anything we had. The story goes that a British officer seeing the tanks went white and his jaw dropped. Patton leaned over and said out of the side of his mouth, "Don't worry, buddy. We're still on your side."
I think it's only now becoming clear what an incredible achievement that UK/US alliance was.
It's something that isn't generally appreciated over here - that until WW2 for many if not most Americans, the UK was the enemy. Really, it took Kaiser Wilhelm II, Hitler AND Stalin to change that perception (though I'm sure it still lingers. These things do). Perhaps two comments by Patton illustrate this:
First one in 1944: He'll close the gap at Falaise by driving north, and if the British (actually Canadians and Poles in this case, but never mind...) happen to be in the way, he'll "drive them into the sea for a second Dunkirk."
Second one at the Berlin Victory parade in 1945, when Stalin unveiled his latest heavy tanks to the Western Allies for the first time. They were miles ahead of anything we had. The story goes that a British officer seeing the tanks went white and his jaw dropped. Patton leaned over and said out of the side of his mouth, "Don't worry, buddy. We're still on your side."
I think it's only now becoming clear what an incredible achievement that UK/US alliance was.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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I find it very sad in this day and age, that many kids don't even know who their father is, let alone their family tree.
I think everyone should care enough to research their family tree. I am actually half-Irish but my husbands past generations are absolutely fascinating.
I just think very-one should do this and be proud of their ancesters. I am :-6
I think everyone should care enough to research their family tree. I am actually half-Irish but my husbands past generations are absolutely fascinating.
I just think very-one should do this and be proud of their ancesters. I am :-6
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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BTS, I've only managed to gave quick look at your first post about your family history, I'm afraid that Ferrochie and Fifeshire don't exist and never have.
As far as Fifeshire goes, the Kingdom of Fife was originally the Pictish kingdom of Fibh, it was a county of Scotland until 1975 (when it became a Region). It was very occasionally known by the anglification Fifeshire in old documents and maps compiled by English cartographers and authors.
The village itself is now known as Freuchie (I'm willing to accept that Ferrochie is an example of linguistic drift - or it might even be Pictish). The modern name is from the Gaelic Fraoch (Heather).
But then I found this:-
From " Coming to America; A Chronicle of the American Lineage of the
Pattons" by C. L. Patton,Springfield, Illinois, 1954:
The earliest known progenitors of the Patton Pioneers in America were of
scotch origin, living in the Highlands and Lowlands of Scotland, in the
vicinity of Loch Linnhe. They were ardent Presbyterians and took their
religion seriously. For many years they had opposed the tyranny of the English
monarchs, who had denied them the right of freedom of worship or
participation in civic affairs.
I have great difficulty in taking any of this seriously. If they lived in "the vicinity of Loch Linnhe", they were either Cameron or MacDonald and both clans were mainly Episcopalian. Also, English monarchs could not allow or deny anything to Scots.
Sorry for getting technical there..........
As far as Fifeshire goes, the Kingdom of Fife was originally the Pictish kingdom of Fibh, it was a county of Scotland until 1975 (when it became a Region). It was very occasionally known by the anglification Fifeshire in old documents and maps compiled by English cartographers and authors.
The village itself is now known as Freuchie (I'm willing to accept that Ferrochie is an example of linguistic drift - or it might even be Pictish). The modern name is from the Gaelic Fraoch (Heather).
But then I found this:-
From " Coming to America; A Chronicle of the American Lineage of the
Pattons" by C. L. Patton,Springfield, Illinois, 1954:
The earliest known progenitors of the Patton Pioneers in America were of
scotch origin, living in the Highlands and Lowlands of Scotland, in the
vicinity of Loch Linnhe. They were ardent Presbyterians and took their
religion seriously. For many years they had opposed the tyranny of the English
monarchs, who had denied them the right of freedom of worship or
participation in civic affairs.
I have great difficulty in taking any of this seriously. If they lived in "the vicinity of Loch Linnhe", they were either Cameron or MacDonald and both clans were mainly Episcopalian. Also, English monarchs could not allow or deny anything to Scots.
Sorry for getting technical there..........
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
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Chookie: Had a bit of a think about your post and I think you're looking at BTS's article almost back-to-front. It was written or published in 1954 by someone who was not a professional historian, but pulling together family history as best they could into a coherent story.
As such it should in my opinion be regarded as a historical resource or document as much as or more than it is historical analysis
BTS: Hope you aren't offended by this. But that article is fascinating for the assumptions and inaccuracies it has and what those tell us about the attitudes of so many Americans, and how those attitudes were arrived at. For someone not connected to the people in question that is perhaps as interesting as the story it relates. I do feel that to criticise it as one would a recently published article by a professional historian is to miss its real historical value - and of course all of this takes no account of it's inestimable personal value to your family.
As such it should in my opinion be regarded as a historical resource or document as much as or more than it is historical analysis
BTS: Hope you aren't offended by this. But that article is fascinating for the assumptions and inaccuracies it has and what those tell us about the attitudes of so many Americans, and how those attitudes were arrived at. For someone not connected to the people in question that is perhaps as interesting as the story it relates. I do feel that to criticise it as one would a recently published article by a professional historian is to miss its real historical value - and of course all of this takes no account of it's inestimable personal value to your family.
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Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1116642 wrote: Chookie: Had a bit of a think about your post and I think you're looking at BTS's article almost back-to-front. It was written or published in 1954 by someone who was not a professional historian, but pulling together family history as best they could into a coherent story.
As such it should in my opinion be regarded as a historical resource or document as much as or more than it is historical analysis
You are correct Clodhopper, I was applying present-day standards, but while I was incorrect in doing so, I was also correct.
That being said, I agree it is a historical resource. I cannot and would not dispute it's value to the family, my unease probably comes from the weight given to the inaccuracies.
To put this into perspective, at one time, for my sins, I was employed as a guide in Edinburgh Castle. At least once a month I would be assured by tourists (usually American or Canadian) they (normally a couple, sometimes a couple with children) were direct descendants of the children of Bonnie Prince Charlie and Flora MacDonald.
This assurance normally ended with the assurers in tears and the assuree (myself) in tears for another reason.............
Strangely I didn't even last a whole season................
As such it should in my opinion be regarded as a historical resource or document as much as or more than it is historical analysis
You are correct Clodhopper, I was applying present-day standards, but while I was incorrect in doing so, I was also correct.
That being said, I agree it is a historical resource. I cannot and would not dispute it's value to the family, my unease probably comes from the weight given to the inaccuracies.
To put this into perspective, at one time, for my sins, I was employed as a guide in Edinburgh Castle. At least once a month I would be assured by tourists (usually American or Canadian) they (normally a couple, sometimes a couple with children) were direct descendants of the children of Bonnie Prince Charlie and Flora MacDonald.
This assurance normally ended with the assurers in tears and the assuree (myself) in tears for another reason.............
Strangely I didn't even last a whole season................
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