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jimbo;1107896 wrote: i just wondered how many of you guys believed in the big bang theory :thinking::thinking:

every star, planet,comet,moon every thing was confined in a space smaller than an atom :thinking:

it takes some imagining does it not :thinking:

but everything points this is the way everything came into creation what do you guys think:thinking::thinking:

THE BIG BANG


I always preferred Sir Fred's idea - the steady state theory where atoms are steadily and spontaneously generated throughout the universe pushing apart the fabric of space.

Consider two universes lying alongside each other and mirror images. At the interface between the two universes generate a matter and amtimatter pair each splitting off into its own universe (a therefore satisfying the conservation of mass, etc.).

Modern theory has a hole in it and dark matter and dark energy are just fiddle factors invented to plug the holes.
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jimbo;1107902 wrote: a sort of puncture in the membrane between universes like a leaking inertube allowing bubbles of matter to enter our universe hmmm


Have you seen the theories of astro-scientists who claim there are infact up to 11 parellel universe's in a curved formation. String theory and worm-holes could occur between the parralel universe's?

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Parallel Universes
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Jimbo, the only theory I have about the BIG BANG is, when our neighbours next door (we are semi det) slam one of their doors (which happens too often, and usually at about 6 am !), that somebody in their house is not a happy bunny ! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:p
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G#Gill;1107920 wrote: Jimbo, the only theory I have about the BIG BANG is, when our neighbours next door (we are semi det) slam one of their doors (which happens too often, and usually at about 6 am !), that somebody in their house is not a happy bunny ! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:p


:yh_rotfl

I thought this was a thread on gang bangs......... I really must get my specs changed :yh_rotfl
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Oscar !!!!!!!! I think this is meant to be a cleeeeeeeen thread :yh_rotfl:lips:
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jimbo;1107937 wrote: really :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


HOW VERY VERY DARE YOU :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Hey Jimbo........................ where's that thread about those spoof pics ???? It should be brought back ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry me little mate, didn't mean to belly up yer thread. I'll be good now................... Right where were we........................... Oh, having a big bang :lips: ;);):yh_hugs
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jimbo;1107902 wrote: a sort of puncture in the membrane between universes like a leaking inertube allowing bubbles of matter to enter our universe hmmm


Imagine a vessel containing oil and a denser liquid separated by a thin layer of water. Now imagine the water being split with the hydrogen bubbling off into the water and the oxygen passing into the denser liquid.

That's more the picture I had in mind :-)
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jimbo;1107896 wrote: i just wondered how many of you guys believed in the big bang theory :thinking::thinking:

every star, planet,comet,moon every thing was confined in a space smaller than an atom :thinking:

it takes some imagining does it not :thinking:

but everything points this is the way everything came into creation what do you guys think:thinking::thinking:

THE BIG BANG


Considering that the Universe is continuing to expand, it makes much sense.
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Lon;1107961 wrote: Considering that the Universe is continuing to expand, it makes much sense.


Inertia my boy, pure inertia :wah:
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The earth broke away 66 Billion years ago from our sun , which is 93 Million away and 93 Billion year old . The earth had many beginnings and replenishing , Such as the Ice Age , And Stone Age , Which was destroys by meteorite showers . There are many proofs of this , Such as The Grand Cayon And Meteorite Crates . This also explain the 23 - degree axis earth is on .

What Do Scientist Believe Cause The Creation Of The Planet Earth ?

There are several different Theories about the creation and origin of Life On This Planet . Scientists say about 15 to 2o Billion years ago , The universe started to expand . When the universe was contracting , There was a Big Bang , The Galaxies were closer together . It had high density and the universe itself was compressed . The condititions of the universe at that particular time that existed could not have been created nor produced . Scientists also have claimed for many years that the first life form came from simple one cell animals called Protozoa , Amoeba , Bacteria , And Amino Acids . Thus , Was the beginning of evolutionary life . This Theory ignores the intelligence of the cell itself .

Along with the previous Theory , Is The Charles Darwin Theory , Also called Darwinism , Darwin

( 1809 - 1882 A.D. ) Was best known for his Theory Of Evolution through natural selection . This Theory was based on four presumption . Darwin claimed that life began spontaneously from inanimated , inorganic matter form water . A Singe cell formed , Split , And multiplied and evolved into forms of life fossils and other remnants were found . Parts of Darwin's Theory were unworkable and down right wrong . Fossil records did not support his Theory . There were many missing Links causing Scientists to call The Theory '' Punctuated Equilibrium , ''

A Third Theory is that A Supernatural being called '' God '' created the earth and everything in it , In 6 days and 24 hours or 144 hour , And on The 7th Day He Rested '' Slept '' , If you say that God can create a whole universe , All the stars , All the animals , Design the wings of each butterfly and the wings of each species in a mere 7 days simply because God can do Anything and Everything , Then 7 days is too long of a period for an all powerful God , Allah , Yahweh , Rabb , Or Adonai Eloheem , Ha - Shem , Thehos , Christ , Khrishna , Or Whatever you call him to do it . A God or Gods of this caliber could have done it in less time , Especially when all he has to say is Be ,

And instantly , It Is . So you mean to say that in only Six Days Of 24 Hours Each , Your All Mighty God Got Tired ? What foolishness . That would mean Adam at this time was only A few hours old or 86,400 Seconds old when he named all the animals . Make note that The Bible tells them , That '' Each Day With The Lord , Yehweh Is 1,000 Years And 1,000 Years One Day '' ( Psalm 9 ; 4 , 2 Peter 3 ; 8 ) , And time is based on how far you are from The Sun . This Is A Religious Theory , That after existing from before time . He just decided to start then and Say Let Us Create , Where A God , By whichever name He or She may be called always existed , Decided to created a being Called Human ( Humin ) '' In His Image And After His / Her Likeness '' ( Genesis 1 ; 27 ) . The creation is what is termed as The '' 6 Days Of Creation '' , Different '' Sacred '' Book called ; The Bible , Koran , Hadith , Talmud And The Mishna , Kabala , Urantia , Book Of Mormons ,

And many other books support this Theory . That after existing from before time , He just decided to start then and say Let Us Create . It is recorded that some kind of '' God '' Waved His Hand And Made All Things Possible . This Is Believe By Many To Be The Total Truth By Different Religion Sects , Never To Ask Who Created This Single Creator . That Would Be A Sin . They Don't Care What New Information Is Being Provided Each Day By Scientists , Or Anthropologists . Fact Are Being Found Each Day To Prove Their Religions Wrong .

For Example . Zecharia Sitchin Books Entitled ; The 12th Planet'' The Stairway To Heaven '' The Wars Of Gods And Men '' , The Lost Realms When Time Began , Genesis Revisited , Is Modern Science Catching Up With Ancient Knowledge ? And Many More , Don't Acknowledge These Faces , Because They Are Under A Religious Spell .

The Most Recent Theory Is That Earth Was Like A Melting Pot In The Universe Cause All Kind Of Beings To Visit , And Life Was Transplanted Here Intenionally By Extraterrestrials Who Bred Here For Whatever Reasons . In Order For This To Be Possible , Two Basic Molecules Had To Have Been Here On The Planet Earth , Proteins , And Nucleic Acid - DNA And RNA . What Is So Interesting Is That Each Of These Conflicting Theories Have Their Own Truth ?
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In the very beginning was The Word Existence and Creation came after . Nothing would exist If The Sumerian Supreme being called Anu , In which he is known in Egipt as Annu or On also Amen - Ra didn't create it . In order for the Supreme Being To Create . He must have existed . If the Christians say that God is The Creator of all things , Or The Hebrews say that Yahweh is The Creator of everything , or The Muslims say that Allah created everything , Then Yahweh Allah or God must have Existed . So Yes , There Was Existence Before Creation .



Am I Saying There Is More Than One Adam ?

Yes , That is what the Plagiarzed Scriptures from the Ancient Tablets , That you believe in , Teaches , In Genesis 5 ; 2 It States ;

Bible - Old Testament , Genesis 5 ; 2 ( With Hebrew Insert )

Male and female created he him ; and blessed them , and calling their name Adam , in the day when they were created .

''Male And Female Created He Them , Blessed Then And Called Their Name Adam , In The Day When They Were Created .

Adam , Whose real name is Zakar , As you can read above , Was Told To ' Be Fruitful And Multiply And Replenish The Earth '' As found in Genesis 1 ; 28 , Each time the planet was refilled that was A new Adam , Such as in the case with Adam of Genesis and Noah ( Genesis 8 ; 17 ) , Whose real name was Utnafishtim In The Gilgamesh Epics Tablets lll . He was also an Adam In Genesis 9 ; 1 , Noah Is Told The Same Thing As Adam In Genesis 1;22 , '' To Be Fruitful And Multiply , '' Adam Is Merely A Term Meaning '' Man , Or Mankind '' From The Cuneiform Adamah , Meaning '' Earthling '' , Also Meaning '' Of The Ground '' . The Hebrew Phoenician Translation Of It Became Edom For '' Ruddy Or Reddish Brown '' .

Am I Saying That There Were Beings Before Adam & Eve ?

As it was mentioned many times before , Yes '' There were beings here before your Adam and Eve . According To '' The Holy Tablets '' , Adam And Eve were described as having parents name Atum And Lillith , Lillith being from The Cuthite Tribe and Atum being A Hindu from The Watusi Tribe . Eve's parents were Ptah or The Dogon And Anath of The Havilahites , Both of which were Pygmy Tribes , As A Matter Of Fact , There were more than one Adam and Eve . There were actually four set of Adam and Eve.

For instance , The name Adam pronounced Aw - Dawm in the Akkadian tongue ( A Dialect Of Cuneiform ) Is a title and also A Tribe ( Genesis 1 ; 27 ) Meaning , '' Dark Brown , Of The Earth , Or Life Blood '' , A name like Adam does not necessarily mean it's talking about the same Adam that is recorded in your Scriptures , Because there was a different Adam in Cuneiform it's Adama And means '' Earthling Upon Each Reconstruction And Replenishing Of The Planet Earth '' , The first tribe or beings were called Adamites or Adam . What I mean by Each Reconstruction And Replenishing is that The Planet Earth was destroyed more than once ( Genesis 5 ; 2 ) , And called Their name Adam .

Bible - Old Testament , Genesis 5 ; 2 ( With Hebrew Insert )

Male and female created he him ; and blessed them , and calling their name Adam , in the day when they were created .

''Male And Female Created He Them , Blessed Then And Called Their Name Adam , In The Day When They Were Created .
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The four sets of Adam and Eve Were Originally referred to as The 8 Ogdoads or Pa Khemenu , And they existed when this was completely A water planet . These four sets represented Genetic Shifts every four generation giving birth to various types of Humims that would eventually dwell on the dry land that later appeared .

The First set of Adam and Eve were The Sumerian Apsu Meaning '' One Who Exised From The Beginning '' , And Tiamat , M,eaning '' Maiden Of Life , '' They Were Known To The Ancient Egiptians As Nun Meaning '' Supreme Being Of The Ocean '' , And Nunet Meaning '' Female Supreme Beings Of The Oceans '' , Gods Over The Deep .

The Second set of Adam and Eve were The Sumerian Lahmu , Meaning '' Deity Of Waar '' , And Lahamu , Meaning '' Lady Of Battles '' , And Who Were To The Ancient Egiptians as Heh Meaning '' The Supreme Being Of Immeasurable As In Time , Or Neter Of Infinity '' Represented by Tadpoles , Each of which Symbolizes 10,000 Years ; And Hehet Meaning '' Female Supreme Being Of Immeasurable '' ; Heh Was Also Called The Supreme Being Of Chaos . They Were Destroyed 17,250,000 Years ago by A Meteorite Shower And Sandstorms .

The Third set of Adam and Eve were The Sumerian Anshar Meaning '' Foremost Of The Heavens ''

And Kishar Meaning '' Foremost Of The Firmaments '' . Who were known to the Ancient Egiptians As Kek , Meaning '' Supreme Being Of Darkness , Void And Darkness '' . And Keket , Meaning '' Female Supreme Being Of Darkness '' , They Were Destroyed By A Second Meteorite Shower 14,250,000 Years Ago .

And The Fourth set of Adam and Eve was Zakar Meaning '' Remember '' , And Nakaybaw Meaning '' Female Tribal Leader '' Who You Know As The Adam Meaning '' Life Blood '' , And Eve Meaning '' Hawwah [ Female Liveing Being ] Means '' Mother Of All Living '' , Of The Hebrew Bibles Today . The 5th Set Or 1st Set Of The New Equinox Was Anu And Antum Known , As Amun And Amunet To The Egiptians .

What Do Modern Day Scientists Say About The Very Beginning ?

It is clear by The Gems and Minerals of The Earth and their Age , That anyone with A Scientific Mind would not accept A 6000 Years Old Age For The The Planet Earth . In Fact , At The Very Beinning According To Scientisys Of This Day And Time , We Have What Was Called '' The Big Bang '' , As Mentioned Earlier , Which Took Place Many Million Of Years Ago .
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First Make note that they , the scientific community refer to the '' The Big Bang '' as a Theory . When You LQQk Up The Word '' Theory '' The American Heritage Dictionary '' , It Is Defined As Such ;

the - o - ry , N. , pl . the - o - ries . 1 . a Systematically Organized Knowldge Applicable In A Relatively Wide Variety Of Circumstance , especially A Systems Of Assumption , Accepted Principles . And Rules Of Procedure Devised To Analyze , Predict , Or Otherwise Explain The Nature Or Behavior Of A Specified Set Of Phenomena .

The word Theory comes from the Late Latin Theoria , from Greek , from theoros , meaning '' spectator '' ; from thea , a viewing + -oros , '' seeing '' Make note that , though they call it a Theory , they say '' seeing is believing '' . When in actulity hearing and reading is believing , and seeing is knowing .



( Where Did They Get The Word Theory From ? )



,Their word Theory as the Greek say Theoris becomes Thehos for God in Greek , taken from Taweret , The Tama - Rean Goddess of women in childbirth and this birth is of the Sun ( sons ) . Taweret was hated by The Greeks because she was the center of The Iunet or Tantere , Called by The Greeks Denderah Calendar And She Represented Mitochondria DNA In The Center Of The Denderah ( Zodiac ) .

So The Big Bang Is Not A Theory ?

Although they call the Big Bang a Theory contact is a reality , as the sperm hiitting the ovum , Though , the human ear can't hear it , it is a Big Bang to microscopic existing entities . When positive and negative charges clash , though you don't hear it , it is a Big Bang to minute energy . So in actuality the Big Bang is a reality .

But is it '' The Big Bang , or '' A '' nother Big Bang .

Just another '' Big Bang , as an incident that occurs and re-occurs .

So There Is More Than one Big Bang ?

Yes , As things come into Existence , or where things become somethings , the Sum Of A Thing, A Thing Would Need Another Thing To Bang Into To Have A Big Bang . Their problem is , comprehending matter and anti - matter as the things that Clash to bring about , alternate things .

So What They Call It , Is True ?

It is untrue by their title . There was no single one '' Big Bang '' as the statement would imply that something just went '' Bang '' without a reason or Cause or under control , direction or command .

So Then , The Original Black Dot Was Not Alone ?

No , for it existed in a states of existence .

Which '' Big Bang '' Is The Most Important ?

It depends on the beings that is affected by it .

Which One Affects Earth People ?

In your beginning this '' Big Bang '' was twenity four billuion years ago when Nibira , a craft under the control of the Neteru Anunnaqi collided into the planet Tamtu or Tanen called Tiamat and Qi , and caused a '' Big Bang '' ...

Was There One Before That One ?

Indeed ! There Were Others . This Incident Was Not At The Very Beginning Of All Things , But In The Beginning Of An On-Going Event . As You Know , This Planet Earth Is Just One Of Many In This Solar System , And Even Less Important In The Universe . It Is Egotistical And Naive To Think That No Other Intelligent Life Exists In The Boundless Universes . Except Here On The Seventh Planet, The Third From Your Sun .

Is It Possible For A Chain Of Events To Occur By Accodent ?

If It Is A Chain Of Events Then Each Action Has A Previous Cause . So You Can't Have A Chain Of Events To Occur By Accident . It Is Impossible For A Chain Of Event To Have Occurred By Accident The Same Way Eact Time , Year In And Year Out Many Thousands Of Years . In That Case , Accident Would Still Be The Rule In Our Universe And They Are Not . They Are Also A Part Of The System Of Things .
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Because The Luciferians And Reptiulians , The Serpent Children ( Genesis 3 ; 14 ) Must Keep You Ignoring True Scientific Data To Enforce Religious Beliefs , And Keep You Worshipping Them ( Revelation 13 ; 15 ) , And In Their Image , So As Not To Alarm The God With ( Psalms 82;6 ) And ( John 10 ; 34 ) .

Do They Know These Facts ?

Indeed ! They Do , And Of The Many Bangs And The Biggest Bang . The Dragon's Seed Comes In All Races . They Could Be Anybody ; Maybe Your Reading This Book Are One .



What Sound Did It Make ?

The Bang Created A Vibration , A Friction That Results In Sound , Each Additional Bang Had A Different Time And Distance And Magnitude That Created A Harmony Of Music Heard By The True Litener Of Om Or Aum As Amun '' The Amen '' . It Vibrates At A Rate Of 144 , And It Is The Letter '' D '' Of The 1st Center '' C '' Octave Bass , Its Color Is Green ,

So Which Is The '' Biggest Bang '' ?

This Event Still Happen To This Day. It Is A Result Of The Expanding . Then Collapsing Of A Universe . In Your Case , This Universe Which Caused The Explosion Of Positive And Negative Forces , Cause The Negative And Positive Forces To Clash Into Each Other , Matter And Anti -Matter .

What Happens In This Event ?

H 1 - Hydrogen Becomes He - Helium , From E , 1 - Ether To E2 , - Ether Two , Onto O 8 - Oxygen Liquid And E 8 , - Ether Liquid Gas . This Was The Birth Of Your Sun , Which Is 93 , 000,000 , Miles Away .





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jimbo;1107941 wrote: and yet another great jimbo thread goes belly up :-5:-5

oh well :rolleyes::rolleyes:


On the contrary jimbo it's a very good thread. What you have to remember is that the 'theories' of how the universe came about is above the heads of most individuals, including mine.

I don't know if any theory will actually make much sense to me, and this includes creationism caused by a deity. I suppose I would have to know what the 'foundation' is of what first appeared and where it came from. The world of physics is so far above me that I can't even guess at what radiation consists of at it's base. Something had to first appear to create everything else. But something cannot appear from nothing. It really doesn't matter if we are talking a single universe or muli universes, one dimension or 2 or more dimensions. Everything had to have a 'start'. But again, something can't come from nothing.

I will follow this thread though in the hopes that yourself or Bryn can explain something in more depth.:)
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Watching a show on this topic recently they claimed the big bang was actually silent.

How the hell do they know I have to ask myself :confused:

And so I do.
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Nomad;1140886 wrote: Watching a show on this topic recently they claimed the big bang was actually silent.

How the hell do they know I have to ask myself :confused:

And so I do.


Actually Nomad, I think a lot of the so called 'theories' are nothing more than guesses. Recently I read in a astronomy link that a 'sugar molecule' was sited on the far side of the galaxy. I had to stop and wonder just how big that molecule actually is. Imagine a sugar molecule in you hand right now, now try to imagine someone sighting this at the far end of the galaxy.

I'm left in a strange position now as to what to believe. I find I can't believe creationism or evolution, neither can I believe what religion tells us or science. :confused:

Is there a third option????:thinking:
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I had to stop and wonder just how big that molecule actually is. Imagine a sugar molecule in you hand right now, now try to imagine someone sighting this at the far end of the galaxy.


Hang on. I think I know (very roughly) how they do that one: They don't look for the molecule itself, they look for light shining through the molecules. Every chemical has a unique light signature (oxygen is a particular shade of blue, methane is a shade of green and so on) and THAT is what the astronomers look for.
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Everything is a BIG OL accident ya know?



Seeing as I am a one finger typer I am going to paste my thoughts........



Now to prove once and for all that we survive because it is all a BIG OL accident:



Accident #1)



EARTH'S SURFACE TEMPERATURE

The average temperature at the earth's surface depends upon several factors, the two most important being the distance of the earth from the sun and the tilt of the rotational axis of the earth. Of secondary importance to the earth's surface temperature is the area of the continents, the amount of earth covered by light- and heat-reflecting masses of ice (glaciers), and the amount of carbon dioxide and water vapor affecting the transparency of the atmosphere to both incoming and outgoing heat.



The most important factor affecting the surface temperature of the earth is obviously the distance from the sun. If the earth were moved a few million miles closer to the sun, the surface of the earth would become warmer causing our glaciers to melt. With a decrease in the area of ice the total reflectivity of our planet's surface would thereby decrease and more of the sun's heat would be absorbed. The melting of glaciers would produce a rise of sea level, and, apart from flooding most of our modern cities, would create a larger total ocean surface area. Since seawater absorbs larger amounts of solar radiation than equal area land masses, heating of the earth would again be promoted. Furthermore, after increasing the temperature of the oceans, much of the ocean's dissolved carbon dioxide would be added to the atmosphere along with large amounts of water due to increased evaporation. The increased carbon dioxide and water vapor level of the atmosphere would again bring about a significant temperature rise. All things considered, a minor decrease in the sun's distance would have a drastic heating effect on the earth's surface.

What would happen if the earth were a few million miles farther from the sun? The reverse of the previous situation applies. We would have more of our planet covered by ice, with associated increased reflectivity of the sun's heat. The ocean would cover less of the earth's surface and the important process of absorption of heat by seawater would be decreased. Since the ocean would be colder, evaporation would be less with less heat-trapping water vapor in the atmosphere. Much of the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere would become dissolved in the colder ocean. Calculations show that a decrease of carbon dioxide in the air to just one-half of its present level would lower the average temperature of the earth's surface by about 7.0 degrees Fahrenheit! Thus, increasing the sun's distance would have a profound cooling effect on our planet.

From this discussion we see that the earth is just the proper distance from the sun to maintain the right surface temperature suitable for life and the many important geologic processes! To the evolutionist the distance of the earth from the sun is a strange accident, but to the creationist it is a marvelous testimony of God's planning.



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Accident #2)



EARTH'S TILT AND ROTATION

The earth's axis of rotation is tilted 231/2 degrees relative to the perpendicular of the earth's plane of orbit. This tilt causes the four seasons. During the months of May, June, and July the northern hemisphere is pointed toward the sun, causing the hemisphere to warm and bringing on the season called summer. During November, December, and January the northern hemisphere is pointed away from the sun providing colder temperatures and the season called winter. Why is this tilt 231/2 degrees? Why not some other value?

What if the earth had no tilt, and the axis of rotation remained perpendicular to the plane of orbit? We would have no seasons and the surface temperature at any point on the earth would be the same during both July and January. The equatorial region of our planet would be intolerably hot all year and the poles would remain fairly cold. Ice would accumulate at the poles. The weather patterns would be stationary with permanently positioned warm and cold air masses. Some areas would continually be very humid while other areas would be quite arid. Only the mid-latitudes would be comfortable for human habitation and suitable for cultivation. Only about one half of our presently farmable lands could grow crops.

What would be the effect if the earth had double the present tilt? Temperature extremes between seasons would be much more pronounced. Even the mid-latitudes would have unbearable heat in the summer and frigid cold in the winter. Most of Europe and North America would experience very prolonged darkness in the winter and very prolonged daylight in the summer. Life on most of the earth's surface would become intolerable.

The earth rotates once every 24 hours producing the interval of time called "day". If the earth rotated more slowly, we would have more extreme day and night temperatures. Other planets have "days" which are many times that of the earth, producing scorching daytime heat followed by freezing nighttime cold. The normal daily routine of plants and animals would be impossible if the earth day were much shorter than that of the present. The 24-hour day seems to be optimum, serving to evenly heat the earth (somewhat like a turkey turning on a barbecue spit).

Thus, we could hardly improve on the present arrangement of tilt and rotation, which seems to be planned for both comfort and economy. Our present tilt causes seasons with associated fluctuations in weather, producing a maximum amount of farmable land and pleasant seasons. The present rotation of the earth helps to uniformly heat its surface and cause winds and ocean currents.



Another obvious accident that can't be denied
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EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE

The earth's atmosphere is composed of four important gases. The most abundant gas is nitrogen (N2) which comprises about 78% of the atmosphere. Oxygen gas (O2) is the second most common ingredient, being present at 21%. Argon gas (Ar) is third at slightly less than 1%. Fourth is carbon dioxide gas (CO2), present at 0.03%.

In our study of the atmosphere we see that its gases can be divided into two main categories ¾ inert gases and reactive gases. Argon is inert and nitrogen is relatively inactive. These enter into very few chemical reactions. It is indeed fortunate that nitrogen gas does not readily combine with oxygen, otherwise, we could have an ocean full of nitric acid!

Oxygen gas is the most common reactive gas in our atmosphere. The presence of abundant oxygen is the feature which most distinguishes our atmosphere, for oxygen in more than trace amounts has not been discovered in the atmosphere of any other planet.

Unlike nitrogen gas, oxygen gas readily enters into reactions with other gases, with organic compounds, and with rocks. The present level of oxygen seems to be optimum. If we had more oxygen, combustion would occur more energetically, rocks and metals would weather faster, and life would be adversely affected. If oxygen were less abundant, respiration would be more difficult and we would have a decreased quantity of ozone gas (O3) in the upper atmosphere which shields the earth's surface from deadly ultraviolet rays.

Carbon dioxide is also a reactive gas which forms an essential part of our atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is required by plants, serves to effectively trap the sun's radiation, and mixes with water to form an acid which dissolves rocks adding an important substance called bicarbonate to the ocean. Without a continuing supply of carbon from the atmosphere, life would be impossible.

Important as carbon dioxide is to the present earth and life, it comprises only a mere 0.03% of our atmosphere! This small amount, however, seems to be at the optimum value. If we had less carbon dioxide, the total mass of terrestrial and marine plants would decrease, providing less food for animals, the ocean would contain less bicarbonate, becoming more acidic, and the climate would become colder due to the increased transparency of the atmosphere to heat. While an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide would cause plants to flourish (a beneficial circumstance for the farmer), there would be some unfortunate side effects. A fivefold increase in carbon dioxide pressure (the optimum level for organic productivity) would alone cause the average world surface temperature to be a few tens of degrees Fahrenheit warmer! Also, a large increase in carbon dioxide would so accelerate the chemical weathering of the continents that an excess of bicarbonate would form in the ocean, leading to an alkali condition unfavorable for life.

The total density or pressure of our atmosphere appears to be ideal. The density is very important for it acts as an insulating blanket protecting the earth from the coldness of space. If the earth had a greater diameter, holding a more dense atmosphere, the thermal blanketing effect would be enhanced, producing a much warmer climate. If the earth were of smaller diameter, holding a less dense atmosphere, there would be a colder climate. As suggested earlier, the earth has the correct surface temperature, showing that the atmosphere has the proper density and that the earth has the proper size!

The atmosphere also serves to filter out ultraviolet light and cosmic rays. Both are harmful to life and would be much more common at the earth's surface if the atmosphere were less dense. The atmosphere also burns up meteors. Long range radio communication is possible because the atmosphere is the correct density to reflect some radio frequencies. Furthermore, the atmosphere reflects unwanted stellar noise which could interfere with radio.

This analysis shows that our atmosphere has both the correct composition and density.



How, except by many accidents, could our atmosphere have formed?
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WORLD OCEAN

Water is an extremely rare compound in space. A permanent reserve of liquid water, a very unlikely occurrence in space, is known to exist only on the earth. Our planet possesses an abundant supply estimated at some 340 million cubic miles of liquid water.

Water in liquid form has many unique chemical and physical properties which make it ideal as the primary component of life and the solution of the world ocean. The solvent characteristic of water, for example, makes it possible for all essential nutrients needed by life to be dissolved and assimilated. The fact that water is transparent to visible light makes it possible for marine algae to perform photosynthesis below the ocean surface and for ocean animals to be able to see through water. Water is one of only a few substances which expands when it freezes, preventing our ocean and lakes from freezing from the bottom upward.

One of the most remarkable properties of water is its high heat-capturing and heat-holding capacity. The ocean is less reflective than the land to incoming solar radiation and thereby absorbs more of the sun's energy than equal areas of land. It also takes much more heat to raise the temperature of a unit mass of seawater one degree than it does for an equal mass of the continents. Since the average temperature of the ocean is about 45 degrees Fahrenheit, the ocean will cool the hotter equatorial land portions of our planet and warm the colder polar regions. Furthermore, ocean currents caused by the earth's rotation serve to circulate seawater and prevent the equatorial seas from becoming too hot and the polar seas from becoming too cold and freezing completely.

The world ocean serves as a reservoir for some very important chemicals besides water. Most of our planet's carbon dioxide is dissolved in seawater, being in equilibrium with the atmosphere. The recent addition of large amounts of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere by burning of fossil fuels has not significantly raised the amount of that gas in the atmosphere. Most of the combustion-derived carbon dioxide has been absorbed by the ocean.

From our discussion it should be evident that the presence of an ocean on our planet is an evidence of accidental planning. No other planet is known to have a permanent supply of liquid water. The chemical and physical properties of liquid water are necessary for life to survive. The world ocean regulates the earth's temperature and serves as a reservoir for many important chemicals.



Can't you ALL see now how all these accidents keep us alive?
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EARTH'S CRUST

The continents which cover 29% of our planet's surface have a mean elevation of about 2,750 feet above sea level. The world ocean which covers 71% of the earth's surface has an average depth of some 12,500 feet! Why do we have such lofty continents along with such deep ocean basins? We would expect, using simple probability estimates, to have an earth of nearly constant elevation.

If we were to scrape off the continents and place them in the deeper parts of the ocean to make an earth of common elevation, we would have an earth covered with approximately 8,000 feet of water! No land areas would be exposed and terrestrial life could not exist. There would be no shallow coastal seas providing ecological zones in which most marine creatures could thrive. The ocean with a constant elevation earth would be nearly void of life.

There are two main reasons why the continents remain elevated above the sea floor. First, the continents are made up of rocks which, as a whole, are less dense than the rocks of the ocean bottom. Second, the continental crust is usually over twice as thick as the oceanic crust. The difference in density and thickness between continental and oceanic crust is just the right amount to maintain the present "freeboard" of the continents above the ocean bottom! To the evolutionist this is a peculiar accident. To the creationist, however, these facts show God's design.

Study of meteorites has revealed that the elements iron and oxygen are about equal in abundance on the average. From what is known about the density and structure of the earth, geologists suggest that iron is the commonest element in the bulk earth, being slightly more abundant than oxygen. However, when the crust of the earth is considered, geologists estimate that oxygen is about eight times more abundant than iron! Furthermore, the earth's crust has unusually large amounts of silicon and aluminum.

If we had larger amounts of iron and magnesium in the crust, oxygen from the atmosphere would be consumed to weather these elements and an oxygen-rich atmosphere would be impossible. Our present crust, unlike other planets and meteorites, is already highly oxidized and therefore permits an oxidizing atmosphere.



Thus, the composition of the crust shows accidental wisdom.
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CONCLUSION

Two different conclusions can be drawn from the data which have been presented. The data indicate either that an omniscient Mind planned and designed our amazing planet, or that it originated by a fortuitous accident without plan or design. There is no middle ground! One must decide either God or chance!

The person who is a consistent evolutionist will attribute the many wonders of our planet (the earth's surface temperature, tilt and rotation, atmosphere, ocean, and crust) to the unguided chance. This conclusion, though not impossible, takes a great deal of faith in extremely improbable events. It is akin to supposing that the Mona Lisa came into existence from globs of paint hurled at a canvas.

The creationist, on the other hand, will recognize that the only rational deduction from the data is that the marvels of the earth owe their origin to the intelligence and handiwork of God.
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I don't see a conflict between the Big Bang and belief in God. The omniscient and omnipotent God flicked the switch, there was an almighty (but silent) Bang, and off we go. HE knew and intended everything that happened as a consequence, axis, rotation and tilt of Earth included.

Anyway, BTS, you are forgetting just how big space is. There's more than enough room for every conceivable set-up of stars and planets.

But do bear in mind that it is the Big Bang THEORY: It is not proven fact, it is the best guess on the current data. Interesting that Sir Fred Hoyle and the Steady State are making a comeback.

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My own believe is that the universe has an aspect to it that can only be described as being "diivine" However, do I believe that god was a celestial "plumber" who sort of made the thing in a mechanist way just as they are, orchestrating the complexity of life on earth as we see it today?

No, of course I don't.

The processes that we call evolution, emergent behaviour, quantum mechanics, relativity, the creations of star and galaxies, and the subsequent creation of heavy elements in those stars, (that are dispersed throughout the cosmos in the destruction of the star), and go on in some cases to self-assemble into simple- and then ever-more-complex forms of life, are the processes that God created and that have resulted in the world we see around us. He didn't "invent" birds and flowers, and glaciers, and mountains, and people, these things self-created through a process of self-assembly that is the result of processes of a Universe that was divinely ordained to be that way.

The universe works along entirely rationalist lines, however, why it works along these lines is a completely open question that no one has a answer for. My own belief is because this was how it was intended to be. That the laws of universe are something that have come about through an event that was divine in nature involving an entity or concept that can only be described as "God".

This god isn't the personal god of the great world religions, he is a much broader thing than that, and you can see him outlined in all of the grandeur of the universe and its workings laid out in front of you.

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you can see him outlined in all of the grandeur of the universe and its workings laid out in front of you.


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The earth had many beginnings and replenishing , Such as the Ice Age , And Stone Age , Which was destroys by meteorite showers . There are many proofs of this , Such as The Grand Cayon And Meteorite Crates


Grand Canyon is river erosion. Nothing to do with meteors. Seems likely that an asteroid strike did for the dinosaurs (they've found what certainly looks like a "smoking gun"), but the Stone Age ended because people discovered how to smelt metals.
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BTS;1141185 wrote: CONCLUSION

Two different conclusions can be drawn from the data which have been presented. The data indicate either that an omniscient Mind planned and designed our amazing planet, or that it originated by a fortuitous accident without plan or design. There is no middle ground! One must decide either God or chance!

The person who is a consistent evolutionist will attribute the many wonders of our planet (the earth's surface temperature, tilt and rotation, atmosphere, ocean, and crust) to the unguided chance. This conclusion, though not impossible, takes a great deal of faith in extremely improbable events. It is akin to supposing that the Mona Lisa came into existence from globs of paint hurled at a canvas.

The creationist, on the other hand, will recognize that the only rational deduction from the data is that the marvels of the earth owe their origin to the intelligence and handiwork of God.


But it's entirely plausible that some old bearded guy, did it all in a week???? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl




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Galbally;1141201 wrote: My own believe is that the universe has an aspect to it that can only be described as being "diivine" However, do I believe that god was a celestial "plumber" who sort of made the thing in a mechanist way just as they are, orchestrating the complexity of life on earth as we see it today? No, of course I don't. The processes that we call evolution, quantum mechanics, the creations of star and galaxies, and the subsequent creation of heavy elements in those stars, that are dispersed in the destruction of the star, and go one in some cases to self-assembly into simple and then ever more complex forms of life, are the processes that god created and that result in the world we see around us.



The universe works along entirely rationalist lines, however, why it works along these lines is a completely open question that no one has a answer for. My own belief is because this was how it was intended to be. That the laws of universe are something that have come about through an event that was divine in nature involving an entity or concept that can only be described as "God". This god isn't the personal god of the great world religions, he is a much broader thing than that, and you can see him outlined in all of the grandeur of the universe and its workings laid out in front of you.



That's my concept of god and what he is.


I second that emotion Galbally. I think religions exploited the truth so much that it became implausible to believe and thus, discountable.



I believe with all the patterns in nature there is a higher power (a god or deity for my way of thinking) keeping chaos in check.......IE............



Patterns in nature:



No 2 fingerprints the same.....(who is in charge of that one :thinking: anyways?)



No 2 snowflakes the same..........





Sheesh no 2 nothings the same..........

I ask ........Why are no 2 thing EXACTLY alike?

Something is keeping track somewhere for that to be.





That's my concept of god and what he is.

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Amber Sun;1141167 wrote: Actually Nomad, I think a lot of the so called 'theories' are nothing more than guesses. Recently I read in a astronomy link that a 'sugar molecule' was sited on the far side of the galaxy. I had to stop and wonder just how big that molecule actually is. Imagine a sugar molecule in you hand right now, now try to imagine someone sighting this at the far end of the galaxy.



I'm left in a strange position now as to what to believe. I find I can't believe creationism or evolution, neither can I believe what religion tells us or science. :confused:



Is there a third option????:thinking:


Another option is that creationism and evolution can co-exist.

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Nomad;1141697 wrote: Another option is that creationism and evolution can co-exist.

Think about it.


Er, no they can't. They are mutually exclusive ideas, one based on science, the other on the concept of magic.
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Clodhopper;1141172 wrote: Hang on. I think I know (very roughly) how they do that one: They don't look for the molecule itself, they look for light shining through the molecules. Every chemical has a unique light signature (oxygen is a particular shade of blue, methane is a shade of green and so on) and THAT is what the astronomers look for.


That must be some real powerful telescope Clodhopper. If they can see a light shining through a tiny itty bitty molecule at the other side of the galaxy then why are they saying that they don't know if there is life out there? Surly if there are creatures, beings, plants etc. they would be larger than 1 molecule and be a lot easier to see. All they would have to do is look for 'clusters' of certain molecules and they would have the size and shape of the plant, entity or creature. Seeing the light shining through one molecule at the other side of the universe is like saying that you can see a marble at the other end of a park with a cluster of trees but can't see the trees.
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BTS;1141185 wrote: CONCLUSION

Two different conclusions can be drawn from the data which have been presented. The data indicate either that an omniscient Mind planned and designed our amazing planet, or that it originated by a fortuitous accident without plan or design. There is no middle ground! One must decide either God or chance!

The person who is a consistent evolutionist will attribute the many wonders of our planet (the earth's surface temperature, tilt and rotation, atmosphere, ocean, and crust) to the unguided chance. This conclusion, though not impossible, takes a great deal of faith in extremely improbable events. It is akin to supposing that the Mona Lisa came into existence from globs of paint hurled at a canvas.

The creationist, on the other hand, will recognize that the only rational deduction from the data is that the marvels of the earth owe their origin to the intelligence and handiwork of God.


All the conclusions you have given BTS shows you to be a knowledgeable person concerning this planet and how it sustains our life. But not all planets and all life forms necessarily needs the same requirements.

If there is an omnipotent, omniscient god that created all of this how is it that he created humans to breakdown and die? Why would he have deliberately created inheritable gene mutations that cause deformities and diseases? Geologists tell us that we have been through 4 ice-ages that causes immense stress to humans. Why would he/she have created a planet on unstable underground plates that cause earthquakes etc.,? Why would a god/ess create a planet that causes so much hardship to the inhabitants on it? Consider tornadoes and hurricanes, tsunamis? We live on a violent and unpredictable planet, I don't consider all of this such wondrous designing.
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Amber Sun;1141881 wrote: All the conclusions you have given BTS shows you to be a knowledgeable person concerning this planet and how it sustains our life. But not all planets and all life forms necessarily needs the same requirements.



If there is an omnipotent, omniscient god that created all of this how is it that he created humans to breakdown and die? Why would he have deliberately created inheritable gene mutations that cause deformities and diseases? Geologists tell us that we have been through 4 ice-ages that causes immense stress to humans. Why would he/she have created a planet on unstable underground plates that cause earthquakes etc.,? Why would a god/ess create a planet that causes so much hardship to the inhabitants on it? Consider tornadoes and hurricanes, tsunamis? We live on a violent and unpredictable planet, I don't consider all of this such wondrous designing.


I don't know why he did all these things but I have faith that I will understand it when my soul leaves my body........

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If they can see a light shining through a tiny itty bitty molecule at the other side of the galaxy


It's clouds of molecules. Don't ask me why they said A molecule - I don't know. Sounds to me like a reporting error or a dialect I am not familiar with. But I do know that what I have described is at least one of the ways astronomers see what chemicals are out there. chuckle. Though I bet any astronomer who reads this is wincing at my layman's description.
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Galbally;1141752 wrote: Er, no they can't. They are mutually exclusive ideas, one based on science, the other on the concept of magic.


Well you cant scientifically dismiss that our species was created.

Evolution is clear.

The rub is we dont know if we were created then evolved.

That would indicate some errors in much of societies current understanding of our beginnings.

I dont particularily find that to be such a horrible thing. Its just more evolution...of the mind.

It would require more tolerance than many have because it would shake their foundation.

If you take the Bible word verbatim word then this theory isnt for you.

Those individuals would not be capable of entertaining such a possibility.

If you are open to all possibilities then its worth a look.

That you say and I assume you are speaking of creationism as magic then your mind is closed. Odd statement for a scientist, yet understandable because in your words scientists are also human.

People find thinking outside the proverbial box such a monumental task.
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Nomad;1143108 wrote: Well you cant scientifically dismiss that our species was created.

Evolution is clear.

The rub is we dont know if we were created then evolved.

That would indicate some errors in much of societies current understanding of our beginnings.

I dont particularily find that to be such a horrible thing. Its just more evolution...of the mind.

It would require more tolerance than many have because it would shake their foundation.

If you take the Bible word verbatim word then this theory isnt for you.

Those individuals would not be capable of entertaining such a possibility.

If you are open to all possibilities then its worth a look.

That you say and I assume you are speaking of creationism as magic then your mind is closed. Odd statement for a scientist, yet understandable because in your words scientists are also human.

People find thinking outside the proverbial box such a monumental task.
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YZGI;1143196 wrote: If evolution were true, wouldn't all women have large breasts?


Where's the selection pressure when implants do the work of biology?
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Bryn Mawr;1143200 wrote: Where's the selection pressure when implants do the work of biology?
Oh crap, Ya got me.
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YZGI;1143206 wrote: Oh crap, Ya got me.


Anyroadup - more than a handfull's a waste :-)
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Bryn Mawr;1143212 wrote: Anyroadup - more than a handfull's a waste :-)
Maybe not a waste, I would say just extra. For a second there I thought we went off topic again then I ralized the thread is titled Big Bang Theory.:D
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YZGI;1143216 wrote: Maybe not a waste, I would say just extra. For a second there I thought we went off topic again then I ralized the thread is titled Big Bang Theory.:D


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