The Reader
Nomads Rating: 4 popcorn kernels.
The Reader (2008)
Genre: Drama
Starring: David Kross, Kate Winslet, Lena Olin, Ralph Fiennes, Bruno Ganz
Director: Stephen Daldry
Release Date: December 10, 2008 (limited); January 9, 2009 (wide)
THE READER opens in post-WWII Germany when teenager Michael Berg becomes ill and is helped home by Hanna, a stranger twice his age. Michael recovers from scarlet fever and seeks out Hanna to thank her. The two are quickly drawn into a passionate but secretive affair.
Michael discovers that Hanna loves being read to and their physical relationship deepens. Hanna is enthralled as Michael reads to her from �The Odyssey�, 'Huck Finn', and �The Lady with the Little Dog.� Despite their intense bond, Hanna mysteriously disappears one day and Michael is left confused and heartbroken.
Eight years later, while Michael is a law student observing the Nazi war crime trials, he is stunned to find Hanna back in his life � this time as a defendant in the courtroom. As Hanna�s past is revealed, Michael uncovers a deep secret that will impact both of their lives. THE READER is a haunting story about truth and reconciliation, about how one generation comes to terms with the crimes of another.
THE READER stars Ralph Fiennes, David Kross and Kate Winslet, and is directed by Stephen Daldry (the Academy Award nominated director of THE HOURS), from a script by David Hare, and based on the award winning novel by Bernhard Schlink. Schlink�s The Reader has been translated into 39 languages and was the first German novel to reach number one on The New York Times Bestseller List.
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4 Kernels that good I will check it out been on the fence with this one thanks Nomie..
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WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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CARLA;1193233 wrote: 4 Kernels that good I will check it out been on the fence with this one thanks Nomie..
Im not a big Kate Winslet fan but the film in its entirety ended up being quite thoughtful. The film raises questions that arent answered, you must do this for yourself. I found myself wanting to sympathize with her character yet repulsed by her actions.
Im not a big Kate Winslet fan but the film in its entirety ended up being quite thoughtful. The film raises questions that arent answered, you must do this for yourself. I found myself wanting to sympathize with her character yet repulsed by her actions.
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I saw this movie a month ago on the net. I agree with you, Nomie. A good movie that leaves you with mixed feelings.
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along-for-the-ride;1193280 wrote: I saw this movie a month ago on the net. I agree with you, Nomie. A good movie that leaves you with mixed feelings.
She acted as if she thought she had license to do what she did because that was her job. There was never any indication of remorse though. Do you think she really believed she was just doing her job or did she support the cause ?
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
She acted as if she thought she had license to do what she did because that was her job. There was never any indication of remorse though. Do you think she really believed she was just doing her job or did she support the cause ?
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
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Nomad;1193596 wrote: She acted as if she thought she had license to do what she did because that was her job. There was never any indication of remorse though. Do you think she really believed she was just doing her job or did she support the cause ?
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
I believe she thought she was just doing her job. I do think her illiteracy kept her from being aware of the magnitude of the situation. Instead, she prefered the pretty stories read by others to her to help her escape from her reality. She did have choices to do what was right for herself and others , but ignored them. She was just too comfortable in her role of psuedo-authority figure. She could use others to get what she wanted at the moment.
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
I believe she thought she was just doing her job. I do think her illiteracy kept her from being aware of the magnitude of the situation. Instead, she prefered the pretty stories read by others to her to help her escape from her reality. She did have choices to do what was right for herself and others , but ignored them. She was just too comfortable in her role of psuedo-authority figure. She could use others to get what she wanted at the moment.
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Nomad;1193596 wrote: She acted as if she thought she had license to do what she did because that was her job. There was never any indication of remorse though. Do you think she really believed she was just doing her job or did she support the cause ?
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
She was only young when she started the job and I think she was somewhat overawed by the authority and eager to please.
My feeling was that she thought her behaviour was perfectly acceptable because the people were prisoners and it was her job to make sure they didn't escape.
I think her illiteracy stunted her emotional growth as well as her intellectual level,and the fact that she wouldn't save herself from a long jail sentence by admitting in court that she couldn't read or write and therefore couldn't possibly have drafted any orders to be signed,showed how overwhelming her secret had become.
I think this immaturity was part of the reason why she started a sexual relationship with a young boy;a mature man would probably have guessed her secret.
Did her illiteracy play a part in her inability to grasp the magnitude of the situation ?
Was she kind to the prisoners or selfish because when they read to her it allowed her to escape from her reality ?
She was only young when she started the job and I think she was somewhat overawed by the authority and eager to please.
My feeling was that she thought her behaviour was perfectly acceptable because the people were prisoners and it was her job to make sure they didn't escape.
I think her illiteracy stunted her emotional growth as well as her intellectual level,and the fact that she wouldn't save herself from a long jail sentence by admitting in court that she couldn't read or write and therefore couldn't possibly have drafted any orders to be signed,showed how overwhelming her secret had become.
I think this immaturity was part of the reason why she started a sexual relationship with a young boy;a mature man would probably have guessed her secret.
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Chockygirl;1193723 wrote:
She was only young when she started the job and I think she was somewhat overawed by the authority and eager to please.
My feeling was that she thought her behaviour was perfectly acceptable because the people were prisoners and it was her job to make sure they didn't escape.
I think her illiteracy stunted her emotional growth as well as her intellectual level,and the fact that she wouldn't save herself from a long jail sentence by admitting in court that she couldn't read or write and therefore couldn't possibly have drafted any orders to be signed,showed how overwhelming her secret had become.
I think this immaturity was part of the reason why she started a sexual relationship with a young boy;a mature man would probably have guessed her secret.
That was her biggest fear I think, people finding out she was illiterate and she readily accepted the sentencing rather than admit her shortcoming. She was as defenseless as the ones that could not escape from the burning church.
Still it bothered me a great deal that she never showed regret. Michael provided an opportunity when he met with her prior to her release. It was the one chance she had to bear responsibility for her crimes and she ignored it after 20 years of isolation. I believe it was at that moment she realized she was unfit for social intercourse and decided to end her life.
Im troubled by her hardness because underneath it all she was tender.
Tragedy all the way around.
She was only young when she started the job and I think she was somewhat overawed by the authority and eager to please.
My feeling was that she thought her behaviour was perfectly acceptable because the people were prisoners and it was her job to make sure they didn't escape.
I think her illiteracy stunted her emotional growth as well as her intellectual level,and the fact that she wouldn't save herself from a long jail sentence by admitting in court that she couldn't read or write and therefore couldn't possibly have drafted any orders to be signed,showed how overwhelming her secret had become.
I think this immaturity was part of the reason why she started a sexual relationship with a young boy;a mature man would probably have guessed her secret.
That was her biggest fear I think, people finding out she was illiterate and she readily accepted the sentencing rather than admit her shortcoming. She was as defenseless as the ones that could not escape from the burning church.
Still it bothered me a great deal that she never showed regret. Michael provided an opportunity when he met with her prior to her release. It was the one chance she had to bear responsibility for her crimes and she ignored it after 20 years of isolation. I believe it was at that moment she realized she was unfit for social intercourse and decided to end her life.
Im troubled by her hardness because underneath it all she was tender.
Tragedy all the way around.
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Hey...rip off Nomad...where are your kernels:D
I just ordered this movie on Netflix. Keep your suggestions coming;)
I just ordered this movie on Netflix. Keep your suggestions coming;)
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Nomad;1193815 wrote: That was her biggest fear I think, people finding out she was illiterate and she readily accepted the sentencing rather than admit her shortcoming. She was as defenseless as the ones that could not escape from the burning church.
Still it bothered me a great deal that she never showed regret. Michael provided an opportunity when he met with her prior to her release. It was the one chance she had to bear responsibility for her crimes and she ignored it after 20 years of isolation. I believe it was at that moment she realized she was unfit for social intercourse and decided to end her life.
Im troubled by her hardness because underneath it all she was tender.
Tragedy all the way around.
I think her hardness was built up over years of trying to hide her inadequacy...she developed a shell to shield herself from public ridicule.
I wondered for a long time after the movie as to why she took her life just before her release.
Had she become too institutionalised and panicked at the thought of being free?
Did she resent the idea that she would have to be dependent on Michael when the basis of their earlier relationship had her as the dominant partner?
Did she finally realize that her crimes didn't warrant her freedom?
Still it bothered me a great deal that she never showed regret. Michael provided an opportunity when he met with her prior to her release. It was the one chance she had to bear responsibility for her crimes and she ignored it after 20 years of isolation. I believe it was at that moment she realized she was unfit for social intercourse and decided to end her life.
Im troubled by her hardness because underneath it all she was tender.
Tragedy all the way around.
I think her hardness was built up over years of trying to hide her inadequacy...she developed a shell to shield herself from public ridicule.
I wondered for a long time after the movie as to why she took her life just before her release.
Had she become too institutionalised and panicked at the thought of being free?
Did she resent the idea that she would have to be dependent on Michael when the basis of their earlier relationship had her as the dominant partner?
Did she finally realize that her crimes didn't warrant her freedom?
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Chockygirl;1193939 wrote:
I think her hardness was built up over years of trying to hide her inadequacy...she developed a shell to shield herself from public ridicule.
I wondered for a long time after the movie as to why she took her life just before her release.
Had she become too institutionalised and panicked at the thought of being free?
Did she resent the idea that she would have to be dependent on Michael when the basis of their earlier relationship had her as the dominant partner?
Did she finally realize that her crimes didn't warrant her freedom?
Michael made a statement concerning what she may have learned about her actions and she appeared to experience a brief moment of shock, not quite understanding that that was now the primary concern, not that she was being freed or had to learned to read and write. The expectation of recognition was beyond her I think.
This was an adaptation from a book. Perhaps in the book the author delved into her thoughts because the book was written in narrative.
I think her hardness was built up over years of trying to hide her inadequacy...she developed a shell to shield herself from public ridicule.
I wondered for a long time after the movie as to why she took her life just before her release.
Had she become too institutionalised and panicked at the thought of being free?
Did she resent the idea that she would have to be dependent on Michael when the basis of their earlier relationship had her as the dominant partner?
Did she finally realize that her crimes didn't warrant her freedom?
Michael made a statement concerning what she may have learned about her actions and she appeared to experience a brief moment of shock, not quite understanding that that was now the primary concern, not that she was being freed or had to learned to read and write. The expectation of recognition was beyond her I think.
This was an adaptation from a book. Perhaps in the book the author delved into her thoughts because the book was written in narrative.
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Nomad;1194019 wrote: Michael made a statement concerning what she may have learned about her actions and she appeared to experience a breif moment of shock, not quite understanding that that was now the primary concern, not that she was being freed or had to learned to read and write. The expectation of recognition was beyond her I think.
This was an adaptation from a book. Perhaps in the book the author delved into her thoughts because the book was written in narrative.
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
This was an adaptation from a book. Perhaps in the book the author delved into her thoughts because the book was written in narrative.
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
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Chockygirl;1194149 wrote:
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
No but Ill look for it. The entire process one of something bordering mass hysteria. It was a huge machine with great momentum and Im sure many got caught up in believing it was a movement for the betterment of the nation. They werent people rather an obstacle to be removed. Many others were silenced by fear or an inability to have an effect. Hitler was also a dynamic orater with great ability to invoke absurd ideals by way of charged emotional manipulation.
There were few heroes.
And still genocide exists today.
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
No but Ill look for it. The entire process one of something bordering mass hysteria. It was a huge machine with great momentum and Im sure many got caught up in believing it was a movement for the betterment of the nation. They werent people rather an obstacle to be removed. Many others were silenced by fear or an inability to have an effect. Hitler was also a dynamic orater with great ability to invoke absurd ideals by way of charged emotional manipulation.
There were few heroes.
And still genocide exists today.
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Nomad;1194341 wrote: No but Ill look for it. The entire process one of something bordering mass hysteria. It was a huge machine with great momentum and Im sure many got caught up in believing it was a movement for the betterment of the nation. They werent people rather an obstacle to be removed. Many others were silenced by fear or an inability to have an effect. Hitler was also a dynamic orater with great ability to invoke absurd ideals by way of charged emotional manipulation.
There were few heroes.
And still genocide exists today.
I'll look forward to discussing the movie with you when you've had a chance to see it.
I don't want to add any spoilers,but it's a movie that shows the struggle of innocence in a barbaric world.
You may find it a trifle slow in the beginning,but stick with it because the buildup and climax of the movie will keep you thinking for a long time after it finishes.
Genocide will always exist unless racism and religious separatism ceases to inflame hatred anymore.
More folk have been slaughtered for their religious beliefs than for probably any other reason.
There were few heroes.
And still genocide exists today.
I'll look forward to discussing the movie with you when you've had a chance to see it.
I don't want to add any spoilers,but it's a movie that shows the struggle of innocence in a barbaric world.
You may find it a trifle slow in the beginning,but stick with it because the buildup and climax of the movie will keep you thinking for a long time after it finishes.
Genocide will always exist unless racism and religious separatism ceases to inflame hatred anymore.
More folk have been slaughtered for their religious beliefs than for probably any other reason.
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Chockygirl;1194344 wrote:
I'll look forward to discussing the movie with you when you've had a chance to see it.
I don't want to add any spoilers,but it's a movie that shows the struggle of innocence in a barbaric world.
You may find it a trifle slow in the beginning,but stick with it because the buildup and climax of the movie will keep you thinking for a long time after it finishes.
Genocide will always exist unless racism and religious separatism ceases to inflame hatred anymore.
More folk have been slaughtered for their religious beliefs than for probably any other reason.
As long as theres a climax Im all over it.
I'll look forward to discussing the movie with you when you've had a chance to see it.
I don't want to add any spoilers,but it's a movie that shows the struggle of innocence in a barbaric world.
You may find it a trifle slow in the beginning,but stick with it because the buildup and climax of the movie will keep you thinking for a long time after it finishes.
Genocide will always exist unless racism and religious separatism ceases to inflame hatred anymore.
More folk have been slaughtered for their religious beliefs than for probably any other reason.
As long as theres a climax Im all over it.
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nomad;1194401 wrote: as long as theres a climax im all over it.
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Hello Nomad and Chocky:-6
I've ordered the film from Netflix and watched a part of it last night. Unfortunately, I was sleepy while watching it and may have to view it again.
I will watch the rest of the movie now. I'm not sure about how I feel about the movie right now. The coldness and hard edges of Hanna confused me as she showed such softness when listening to the sadness in the stories Michael read to her and while listening to the choir singing in the church and crying.
I must say that this story is very powerful and will haunt me as to why Hanna didn't understand that she sent people to their death. Her only concern was to do damage control...get rid of the people in the camp so new prisoners will have a place to stay in the camp....keep the door locked to the burning barn because the prisoners will escape, and how will they corrale them so they don't escape:mad: Geeze....It seemed to me that she was oblivious to the atrosities that she and the Nazi's were inflicting upon these innocent people. It was just a job to her that she needed to do, and be done with it and move on...
I have watched so many films and read so many books about the Holocaust that I had to take a break for awhile trying to understand why this happened. It just upsets me too much to think of anyone going through this nightmare.
I'll be baaaaack...says Arnold:driving:
I've ordered the film from Netflix and watched a part of it last night. Unfortunately, I was sleepy while watching it and may have to view it again.
I will watch the rest of the movie now. I'm not sure about how I feel about the movie right now. The coldness and hard edges of Hanna confused me as she showed such softness when listening to the sadness in the stories Michael read to her and while listening to the choir singing in the church and crying.
I must say that this story is very powerful and will haunt me as to why Hanna didn't understand that she sent people to their death. Her only concern was to do damage control...get rid of the people in the camp so new prisoners will have a place to stay in the camp....keep the door locked to the burning barn because the prisoners will escape, and how will they corrale them so they don't escape:mad: Geeze....It seemed to me that she was oblivious to the atrosities that she and the Nazi's were inflicting upon these innocent people. It was just a job to her that she needed to do, and be done with it and move on...
I have watched so many films and read so many books about the Holocaust that I had to take a break for awhile trying to understand why this happened. It just upsets me too much to think of anyone going through this nightmare.
I'll be baaaaack...says Arnold:driving:
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Alright:-6 I've finished watching the movie and am disappointed at the ending. I was tired when I watched this movie and may have to watch it again. Was there any foreshadowing that I missed about the ending?? I didn't expect this ending.
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Kathy Ellen;1201442 wrote: Alright:-6 I've finished watching the movie and am disappointed at the ending. I was tired when I watched this movie and may have to watch it again. Was there any foreshowing that I missed about the ending?? I didn't expect this ending.
Kathy,were you surprised by the ending,or did you feel it was weak?
What ending were you expecting?
Kathy,were you surprised by the ending,or did you feel it was weak?
What ending were you expecting?
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plus there was lots of sex at the beginning.....
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Chockygirl;1194149 wrote:
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
I've seen The Boy In The Striped Pajamas. The ending was a cruel irony that shocked me even considering the theme of the film.
Her way of thinking that she wasn't guilty for her actions reminds me of another movie that I've just seen recently:The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas.
Many of the Germans viewed the Jewish people as their sworn enemy and had been brain-washed into thinking that exterminating them was the right thing for the Fatherland.
Have you seen this movie?
I've seen The Boy In The Striped Pajamas. The ending was a cruel irony that shocked me even considering the theme of the film.
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Chockygirl;1201472 wrote:
Kathy,were you surprised by the ending,or did you feel it was weak?
What ending were you expecting?
Hi Chocky,
I am not surprised that she committed suicide at the end of the story. I'm sure all of her hope was gone for normalcy after 20 years in prison, and then knowing that Michael would not be there for her emotionally.
It's hard to accept the fact that after 20 years, she still didn't understand that it was inhumane to sent hundredths of women to death. This hatred of the Jewish people must be so ingrained in these guards and officers that they see nothing wrong with this exterimination.
I was just confused at the end when he brought his daughter to see Hanna's grave. I must have dozed off during this time and wasn't sure if it was his daughter with wife or Hanna. Now I realize that this was his daughter with wife, and he was going to tell her about his affair.
I just wish that they had examined more of Hanna's mental state regarding her attitude towards sending women to their death without a care or emotion in her mind. There was too much soft porn and not enought depth of her mindset about her JOB:(
I'm often upset about watching movies about the Holocaust because I wish there were more explanations from the SS Officers and guards about their feelings about their part in the Holocaust.
I had nightmares after watching Schindler's List. To me, that was a powerful film about the Holocaust.
No, I would not recommend this film to anyone when one can watch Schindler's list.
I would rate this film with 2 of Nomad's kernels....
Kathy,were you surprised by the ending,or did you feel it was weak?
What ending were you expecting?
Hi Chocky,
I am not surprised that she committed suicide at the end of the story. I'm sure all of her hope was gone for normalcy after 20 years in prison, and then knowing that Michael would not be there for her emotionally.
It's hard to accept the fact that after 20 years, she still didn't understand that it was inhumane to sent hundredths of women to death. This hatred of the Jewish people must be so ingrained in these guards and officers that they see nothing wrong with this exterimination.
I was just confused at the end when he brought his daughter to see Hanna's grave. I must have dozed off during this time and wasn't sure if it was his daughter with wife or Hanna. Now I realize that this was his daughter with wife, and he was going to tell her about his affair.
I just wish that they had examined more of Hanna's mental state regarding her attitude towards sending women to their death without a care or emotion in her mind. There was too much soft porn and not enought depth of her mindset about her JOB:(
I'm often upset about watching movies about the Holocaust because I wish there were more explanations from the SS Officers and guards about their feelings about their part in the Holocaust.
I had nightmares after watching Schindler's List. To me, that was a powerful film about the Holocaust.
No, I would not recommend this film to anyone when one can watch Schindler's list.
I would rate this film with 2 of Nomad's kernels....
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mikeinie;1201568 wrote: plus there was lots of sex at the beginning.....
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Did you close your eyes looking at this soft porn
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:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Did you close your eyes looking at this soft porn
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Kathy Ellen;1201660 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Did you close your eyes looking at this soft porn:D
No, I just kept thinking 'lucky b@stard'
:DNo, I just kept thinking 'lucky b@stard'
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mikeinie;1201662 wrote: No, I just kept thinking 'lucky b@stard'
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Man oh man...she really did show him some cool tricks:wah:
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Man oh man...she really did show him some cool tricks:wah:
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Thanks for posting the review-------I just ordered from Netflix.
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Kathy Ellen;1201656 wrote: Hi Chocky,
I was just confused at the end when he brought his daughter to see Hanna's grave. I must have dozed off during this time and wasn't sure if it was his daughter with wife or Hanna. Now I realize that this was his daughter with wife, and he was going to tell her about his affair.
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Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
I was just confused at the end when he brought his daughter to see Hanna's grave. I must have dozed off during this time and wasn't sure if it was his daughter with wife or Hanna. Now I realize that this was his daughter with wife, and he was going to tell her about his affair.
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Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
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Chockygirl;1201729 wrote:
Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
Come on, the guy was lucky, what he had most teenage boys would dream of. His only mistake was not dating that cute girl from school as well.
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
Come on, the guy was lucky, what he had most teenage boys would dream of. His only mistake was not dating that cute girl from school as well.
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
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mikeinie;1201763 wrote: Come on, the guy was lucky, what he had most teenage boys would dream of. His only mistake was not dating that cute girl from school as well.
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
And a very experienced woman at that....
even did the washing up:yh_rotfl
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
And a very experienced woman at that....
even did the washing up:yh_rotfl-
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mikeinie;1201763 wrote: Come on, the guy was lucky, what he had most teenage boys would dream of. His only mistake was not dating that cute girl from school as well.
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
I'm sure a young teenage boy would feel lucky having a sexual relationship with an older experienced woman,but I wonder if he felt 'used' after she left with no warning?
Hanna was twenty years older than Michael,and while most men may think he was the luckiest kid,I think that Hanna just totally used him for her own gratification-does a bloke mind being used like that?
Yes,he definitely had problems with his father,but that may have resolved once Michael matured and was past his teenage angst,and his father learned more appreciation towards his own son.
Maybe the emotions issues he had were due to his father, look at the conversations around the dinner table at home, I would think there would be more to his physiological make up than just one summer of nonstop sex with an older woman.
I'm sure a young teenage boy would feel lucky having a sexual relationship with an older experienced woman,but I wonder if he felt 'used' after she left with no warning?
Hanna was twenty years older than Michael,and while most men may think he was the luckiest kid,I think that Hanna just totally used him for her own gratification-does a bloke mind being used like that?
Yes,he definitely had problems with his father,but that may have resolved once Michael matured and was past his teenage angst,and his father learned more appreciation towards his own son.
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along-for-the-ride;1201645 wrote: I've seen The Boy In The Striped Pajamas. The ending was a cruel irony that shocked me even considering the theme of the film.
It was definitely a shocker,that's for sure!!
Did you feel any empathy towards the father when he realized what had happened to his own son?
Do you think that's the only way that people with the father's mentality can finally begin to understand the atrocities that they condoned?
It was definitely a shocker,that's for sure!!
Did you feel any empathy towards the father when he realized what had happened to his own son?
Do you think that's the only way that people with the father's mentality can finally begin to understand the atrocities that they condoned?
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Chockygirl;1201729 wrote:
Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
I just wonder if it was really important to dwell on his relationship with his daughter....Big deal....this thought had no impact on me.
I wanted to know more about why Hanna was so cold and unfeeling towards anyone, even Michael. He worshipped her, and she just dealt with him and used him for her own pleasures.
Even though Michael had had a very intensive sexual relationship when he was very young,he hadn't been able to develop,it appears,an emotional intimacy with other people in his life,including his former wife or his daughter.
The very act of taking his daughter to Hanna's grave and telling her about a part of life that appeared to have consumed his emotional reserves for most of his life,finally opened up the communication channels with his daughter.
The daughter mentioned in the movie-or maybe it was the book- that she thought her father's lack of being able to show love towards her was in some way HER fault.
I just wonder if it was really important to dwell on his relationship with his daughter....Big deal....this thought had no impact on me.
I wanted to know more about why Hanna was so cold and unfeeling towards anyone, even Michael. He worshipped her, and she just dealt with him and used him for her own pleasures.
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along-for-the-ride;1201645 wrote: I've seen The Boy In The Striped Pajamas. The ending was a cruel irony that shocked me even considering the theme of the film.
Thanks Along...I will look into this story:-6
Thanks Along...I will look into this story:-6
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Chockygirl;1201992 wrote:
I'm sure a young teenage boy would feel lucky having a sexual relationship with an older experienced woman,but I wonder if he felt 'used' after she left with no warning?
Hanna was twenty years older than Michael,and while most men may think he was the luckiest kid,I think that Hanna just totally used him for her own gratification-does a bloke mind being used like that?
Yes,he definitely had problems with his father,but that may have resolved once Michael matured and was past his teenage angst,and his father learned more appreciation towards his own son.
I was 16 and she was 38 (the landlords daughter). It was a dream come true. I never felt used or abused then or now. If anything, I was extremely grateful.
I'm sure a young teenage boy would feel lucky having a sexual relationship with an older experienced woman,but I wonder if he felt 'used' after she left with no warning?
Hanna was twenty years older than Michael,and while most men may think he was the luckiest kid,I think that Hanna just totally used him for her own gratification-does a bloke mind being used like that?
Yes,he definitely had problems with his father,but that may have resolved once Michael matured and was past his teenage angst,and his father learned more appreciation towards his own son.
I was 16 and she was 38 (the landlords daughter). It was a dream come true. I never felt used or abused then or now. If anything, I was extremely grateful.
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Kathy Ellen;1201656 wrote:
It's hard to accept the fact that after 20 years, she still didn't understand that it was inhumane to sent hundredths of women to death. This hatred of the Jewish people must be so ingrained in these guards and officers that they see nothing wrong with this exterimination.
Do you remember when the children were being taught by a tutor,and the change in the daughter after a while as she started to believe the brainwashing that the Jewish people were their enemy?
If that type of garbage starts from a reasonably young age,it's not hard to see how the hatred can flourish.
It's hard to accept the fact that after 20 years, she still didn't understand that it was inhumane to sent hundredths of women to death. This hatred of the Jewish people must be so ingrained in these guards and officers that they see nothing wrong with this exterimination.
Do you remember when the children were being taught by a tutor,and the change in the daughter after a while as she started to believe the brainwashing that the Jewish people were their enemy?
If that type of garbage starts from a reasonably young age,it's not hard to see how the hatred can flourish.
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Kathy Ellen;1201997 wrote: I just wonder if it was really important to dwell on his relationship with his daughter....Big deal....this thought had no impact on me.
I wanted to know more about why Hanna was so cold and unfeeling towards anyone, even Michael. He worshipped her, and she just dealt with him and used him for her own pleasures.
I thought they overplayed the sex too. It was important to establish the relationship but they went too far and I agree I would have liked to have received more insight into her thought process.
In some regards I think she was possibly just dim witted or perhaps the fear of her actions was too intense for her to explore. Maybe she simply could not. We'll never know.
Do you remember when the children were being taught by a tutor,and the change in the daughter after a while as she started to believe the brainwashing that the Jewish people were their enemy?
If that type of garbage starts from a reasonably young age,it's not hard to see how the hatred can flourish.
Thats why racism is alive and well today. Id like to reply the children that grow up in hatred dont stand a chance but I dont really believe that. At some point as opposed to adopting those views it should be a magnificent push in the other direction.
I wanted to know more about why Hanna was so cold and unfeeling towards anyone, even Michael. He worshipped her, and she just dealt with him and used him for her own pleasures.
I thought they overplayed the sex too. It was important to establish the relationship but they went too far and I agree I would have liked to have received more insight into her thought process.
In some regards I think she was possibly just dim witted or perhaps the fear of her actions was too intense for her to explore. Maybe she simply could not. We'll never know.
Do you remember when the children were being taught by a tutor,and the change in the daughter after a while as she started to believe the brainwashing that the Jewish people were their enemy?
If that type of garbage starts from a reasonably young age,it's not hard to see how the hatred can flourish.
Thats why racism is alive and well today. Id like to reply the children that grow up in hatred dont stand a chance but I dont really believe that. At some point as opposed to adopting those views it should be a magnificent push in the other direction.
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Nomad;1202062 wrote: I thought they overplayed the sex too. It was important to establish the relationship but they went too far and I agree I would have liked to have received more insight into her thought process.
In some regards I think she was possibly just dim witted or perhaps the fear of her actions was too intense for her to explore. Maybe she simply could not. We'll never know.
I still think her illiteracy 'dumbed' her down in other areas as well.
She could only be a follower,rather than a leader, with mature adults, as she was paranoid of her secret being discovered.
Maybe,that's why she started the relationship with Michael-she could be in charge of the situation with someone who was still immature and unworldly?
Just a piece of trivia in regards to some of the sex scenes.
It turns out that Kate had to wear a Merkin[a pubic wig] because supposedly her own bush was too sparse.
I'm glad I didn't know that before I saw the movie.:wah:
In some regards I think she was possibly just dim witted or perhaps the fear of her actions was too intense for her to explore. Maybe she simply could not. We'll never know.
I still think her illiteracy 'dumbed' her down in other areas as well.
She could only be a follower,rather than a leader, with mature adults, as she was paranoid of her secret being discovered.
Maybe,that's why she started the relationship with Michael-she could be in charge of the situation with someone who was still immature and unworldly?
Just a piece of trivia in regards to some of the sex scenes.
It turns out that Kate had to wear a Merkin[a pubic wig] because supposedly her own bush was too sparse.
I'm glad I didn't know that before I saw the movie.:wah: