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rstrats;1519708 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Umm, ..., Say that, again?"

Sunday night started at sundown Saturday and lasted until sunrise Sunday morning, thus the 4th night.


And when did Thursday night start?

Sundown Thursday to Sunup Friday = night one

Sundown Friday to Sunup Saturday = night two

Sundown Saturday to Sunup Sunday = night three

Where is the fourth night?
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Bryn Mawr,

re: "And when did Thursday night start?"

It started at sundown at the end of Wednesday.



re: "Where is the fourth night?"

Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night - 4 nights.
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That is one of the most bass ackwards notions I have seen in a while.
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LarsMac,

re: "That is one of the most bass ackwards notions I have seen in a while."

If that comment is directed to me, what is "bass ackwards" about it? I was asked when did Thursday night start?

I replied that It started at sundown at the end of Wednesday. When do you say it started?
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rstrats;1519845 wrote: Bryn Mawr,

re: "And when did Thursday night start?"

It started at sundown at the end of Wednesday.



re: "Where is the fourth night?"

Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night - 4 nights.


Changing the definition to make an apparent contradiction does not mean that there is a contradiction, it means that your definition is wrong.

The night starting sundown Wednesday is Wednesday night just as the Sabbath starts on Friday night - sundown Friday.
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Bryn Mawr,

re: "The night starting sundown Wednesday is Wednesday night..."

That is incorrect. Wednesday night had been over some 12 hours by the time Wednesday daytime ended at sundown. And at that moment Thursday night began.



re: "...just as the Sabbath starts on Friday night.."

The Sabbath starts right after sundown at the end of Friday daytime. Friday night had been over some 12 hours by the time Friday ended.
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rstrats;1520329 wrote: Bryn Mawr,

re: "The night starting sundown Wednesday is Wednesday night..."

That is incorrect. Wednesday night had been over some 12 hours by the time Wednesday daytime ended at sundown. And at that moment Thursday night began.



re: "...just as the Sabbath starts on Friday night.."

The Sabbath starts right after sundown at the end of Friday daytime. Friday night had been over some 12 hours by the time Friday ended.


OK, regardless of what you call the nights, Luke 23:56 to Luke 24:1 and John 19:28 to John 20:1 both appear to be quite specific, Jesus died and way buried on Friday afternoon and the tomb was found to be open on Monday morning - that to me is three days and three nights in anyone's money.
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Bryn Mawr,

re: "OK, regardless of what you [and scripture] call the nights...Jesus died and way buried on Friday afternoon and the tomb was found to be open on Monday morning..."

How do you arrive at Monday, the 2nd day of the week?
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rstrats;1520350 wrote: Bryn Mawr,

re: "OK, regardless of what you [and scripture] call the nights...Jesus died and way buried on Friday afternoon and the tomb was found to be open on Monday morning..."

How do you arrive at Monday, the 2nd day of the week?


Monday has always been the first day of the week where I come from :-)
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Maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
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In case you haven't noticed, there are few biblical scholars hanging out in this garden.

But since the Bible, itself seems terribly unclear on the matter, I don't think it was considered a very important issue by the people who wrote it.
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LarsMac,

re: "In case you haven't noticed, there are few biblical scholars hanging out in this garden."

I don't think one needs to be a biblical scholar to know if they believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
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rstrats;1521296 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "In case you haven't noticed, there are few biblical scholars hanging out in this garden."

I don't think one needs to be a biblical scholar to know if they believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.


Depends on whose week we are talking about. The The Hebrew week starts on Friday night, so it would have been the seventh day. The First Day began at sundown Friday.

Interesting thing is that Mat 28 says that on the first day of the week, at sunrise the the two Mary s found the tomb open. So he was only in the tomb overnight so it is still Shabbat, the first day. Obviously the tomb was not the "Heart of the Earth" in which he was going to spend three days.
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LarsMac,

re: "Depends on whose week we are talking about."

We're talking about the week the Messiah was using in the 1st century.



re: "The The Hebrew week starts on Friday night, so it would have been the seventh day.The First Day began at sundown Friday."

That's a new one on me if by Friday night you mean the 1st half of the 6th calendar day of the week. What is your source?
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rstrats;1521303 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Depends on whose week we are talking about."

We're talking about the week the Messiah was using in the 1st century.



re: "The The Hebrew week starts on Friday night, so it would have been the seventh day.The First Day began at sundown Friday."

That's a new one on me if by Friday night you mean the 1st half of the 6th calendar day of the week. What is your source?


Ummm, I guess that I should refrain from posting when I am on my pain meds?
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LarsMac;1521305 wrote: Ummm, I guess that I should refrain from posting when I am on my pain meds?


Eh.. Don't worry about it, the dancing video was hilarious..
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LarsMac,

What is your source for saying that "The Hebrew week starts on Friday night..."?
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rstrats;1521374 wrote: LarsMac,

What is your source for saying that "The Hebrew week starts on Friday night..."?


I already covered that.
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LarsMac,

re: "I already covered that. "

I just reread your posts and I don't see where you have identified your source for saying that the Hebrew week starts on Friday night. How about providing the number of the post where I can find it?
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rstrats;1521383 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "I already covered that. "

I just reread your posts and I don't see where you have identified your source for saying that the Hebrew week starts on Friday night. How about providing the number of the post where I can find it?


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1st day of the Hebrew week is Sunday. Saturday, shabbat, day when G-d rested followed his work week of six days Sunday through Friday, making Saturday the last day of the week, not the first.

Got into this conversation late, so never read what came before it. I regret entering it at all, but that's what idleness will do.
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AnneBoleyn;1521390 wrote: 1st day of the Hebrew week is Sunday. Saturday, shabbat, day when G-d rested followed his work week of six days Sunday through Friday, making Saturday the last day of the week, not the first.

Got into this conversation late, so never read what came before it. I regret entering it at all, but that's what idleness will do.


I actually knew that. However, the other day, I had a really bad slip and ended up with the worst Sciatic nerve pinch ever, and after a day of dealing with it, I took a dose of my Demerol, which really sends me off to never-never land.

Frankly, I was surprised to see how coherent my typing seemed that day.

The Mrs says that my daughter called that day, ad we talked for over an hour.

She hasn't returned my calls or replied to me on FB since.

The good news is that the sciatic kinda straightened itself out, and I am able to walking again, so back to Ibuprofen.
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"The good news is that the sciatic kinda straightened itself out, and I am able to walking again, so back to Ibuprofen."

And let that Demerol go to waste? I'll pm you my address. Sounds awful Lars, very glad you are feeling better!
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AnneBoleyn,

Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate?
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LarsMac,

re: "#65"



I don't see where that post shows your source for saying that "The Hebrew week starts on Friday night..." What do you have in mind?
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rstrats;1521393 wrote: AnneBoleyn,

Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate?


Oy vey iz mir. What a revolting development this is. With all due respect I should not have entered this thread but did as I knew the answer to what is the Hebrew first day of the week.

Au revoir!
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Someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
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It appears there are no folks visiting this topic who believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
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rstrats;1521394 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "#65"



I don't see where that post shows your source for saying that "The Hebrew week starts on Friday night..." What do you have in mind?


You aren't terribly intuitive, are you?

Good pain meds will contribute to some rather illogical thinking.

And no, not many people visit this thread, and even fewer seem to give much thought to your question.

I can restate what people have told me when I asked such questions, but then you might want me to defend it, which is not going to happen.
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LarsMac,

re: "You aren't terribly intuitive, are you?

Apparently not.
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rstrats;1522960 wrote: It appears there are no folks visiting this topic who believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.


Consider that this place is the wrong place for you. Explore other options.
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AnneBoleyn,

re: "Consider that this place is the wrong place for you. Explore other options."

Any suggestions?
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Arguing about who better understands the particulars of fairytales is never productive. One can almost always find equivocation.
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Ahso!;1522980 wrote: Arguing about who understands the particulars of fairytales is never productive. One can almost always find equivocation.


There are lots of people who enjoy arguing about stuff like the most minute points of biblical texts.

And,

There are also folks who like to argue about The Vedic Texts, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, or the canon of the Star Wars story lines, or the meaning of the Game of Thrones scripts.

Why don't you go bother those people for a while?
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LarsMac;1522981 wrote: There are lots of people who enjoy arguing about stuff like the most minute points of biblical texts.

And,

There are also folks who like to argue about The Vedic Texts, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, or the canon of the Star Wars story lines, or the meaning of the Game of Thrones scripts.




LOL! True, but the latter is not mistaken for reality...not for long anyway.
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Ahso!;1522982 wrote: LOL! True, but the latter is not mistaken for reality...not for long anyway.


probably so, but I don't think that applies in this thread.
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rstrats;1522978 wrote: AnneBoleyn,

re: "Consider that this place is the wrong place for you. Explore other options."

Any suggestions?


Yes. Not here.
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AnneBoleyn,

re: "Yes. Not here"

That's not very helpful.
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rstrats;1523196 wrote: AnneBoleyn,

re: "Yes. Not here"

That's not very helpful.


not helpful, but probably true.

Not many biblical scholars around here.
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LarsMac,

re: "Not many biblical scholars around here."

And as I said in post #62, I don't think one needs to be a biblical scholar to know if they believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
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rstrats;1526486 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Not many biblical scholars around here."

And as I said in post #62, I don't think one needs to be a biblical scholar to know if they believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.


Then, what, pray tell, is the point of you?
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LarsMac,

re: "Then, what, pray tell, is the point of you?"

OK, let me repeat again:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I am simply asking anyone who may fall into the above group to provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred.
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rstrats;1526508 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Then, what, pray tell, is the point of you?"

OK, let me repeat again:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I am simply asking anyone who may fall into the above group to provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred.


Well, obviously, the three days he spoke of were not in the grave.

On what day was he arrested and tossed into the slammer?
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LarsMac,

re: "Well, obviously, the three days he spoke of were not in the grave."

But this topic is directed to those who do think the "heart of the earth" does refer to the tomb. Since you are not one of those, this topic does not apply to you.
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rstrats;1526514 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Well, obviously, the three days he spoke of were not in the grave."

But this topic is directed to those who do think the "heart of the earth" does refer to the tomb. Since you are not one of those, this topic does not apply to you.


Then neither does it apply to anyone else on this forum
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rstrats;1526514 wrote: LarsMac,

re: "Well, obviously, the three days he spoke of were not in the grave."

But this topic is directed to those who do think the "heart of the earth" does refer to the tomb. Since you are not one of those, this topic does not apply to you.


Well it seems to me that you don't have much to offer to your own discussion.
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Bryn Mawr,

re: "Then neither does it apply to anyone else on this forum"

That seems to be the case so far, but there is always the chance that someone new visiting the topic in the future may be a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate who thinks the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.
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LarsMac,

re"Well it seems to me that you don't have much to offer to your own discussion."



If I knew of examples that I could offer, I would have had no reason to start this topic.
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