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The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word "all." They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word "all" to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the "one that is," and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.

It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev.13:13- "And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men".

Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

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ephraim;1363553 wrote: The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians. Like everything else in the Bible, Revelation was written for the author's own time. Everything in Revelation refers to the suffering of the Church under pagan Rome.

Trying to fold, spindle and mutilate it to fit the present, and the Middle East, is silly.
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ephraim;1363553 wrote: The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.


If you can find one. Who probably won't read much farther than this. :)
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Mark Aspam;1363711 wrote: Like everything else in the Bible, Revelation was written for the author's own time.
Like prophecies, you mean.

Aspam scores again.

Everything in Revelation refers to the suffering of the Church under pagan Rome.


It says nothing about the burning of Tyndale.
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Mark Aspam wrote:

Everything in Revelation refers to the suffering of the Church under pagan Rome.


xyz wrote:

It says nothing about the burning of Tyndale.




The burning of Tyndale was when?

And Rome gave up the Pagan faith when?

but I forget, you believe that Rome is still Pagan - sorry, the Pagans would be horrified at the thought.

If you cannot debate within the real world then give up - distorting reality to support your view only proves your view to be distorted.
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Hello Ephraim

Read your OP and felt lead to reply with some thoughts. May we be blessed with understanding.

Ephraim

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture.


I cannot agree with this interpretation. Firstly What is removed is not a something it is a someone.



2 Thessalonians 2

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

When satan was given clearance to put job to the test he was not given full clearance to do anything he wanted to Job. God restrained him with limitations. The scriptures you have to mean the rapture are not pointing to a rapture but to an agent of God who acts to restrain satan in the things he does with mankind.



Ephraim

What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual.


Yes they do have that wrong. I agree. you seemed to have laboured a lot in righting arguments against them being the same but all you needed to do was post one verse to establish your point to Bible believers. Here it is.

Revelation 20

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.



Ephraim

So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven.


We do not know when satan was or will be cast out of Heaven. Some people believe it happened when Jesus was on the Earth.

Luke 10

17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

So it is unclear when satan was or is to be cast out of Heaven. But the world shows us that he has been having his effect on it for a long long time.



We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe.


I see it as being on earth. The only time in the episode that could refer to them being in heaven was when satan took Jesus to see all the kingdoms of the earth to tempt Him with them if He would worship satan.



Ephraim

suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out.


True.



Ephraim

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries.


God established in OT prophecy the symbol of Horns and of Beasts. The Horns are nations and kings. We read in the Book of Daniel.

“Daniel 8:3

I looked up, and there before me was a ram with two horns, standing beside the canal, and the horns were long. One of the horns was longer than the other but grew up later.”

The Angel interpreted the vision to Daniel later in the passage.

Daniel 8

20The ram which you saw, having the two horns--they are the kings of Media and Persia.”

Meda-Persia Empire became united into one kingdom (the ram) one horn (Persia) was longer (more powerful) than the other (Media) it became more powerful and eventually absorbed its partner Media and the empire became known as Persian empire.

But the Persian Empire included many more nations than just the Persian and Median nations. Many nations fell under it's control. But initially the controlling nations where Media and Persia. So the Ram is the Beast which includes many nations but the controlling nations (ones with the real power) are the Horns.

In this same prophesy the ram was destroyed by a one horned goat.

Daniel 8

“5And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6Then he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing beside the river, and ran at him with furious power. 7And I saw him confronting the ram; he was moved with rage against him, attacked the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to withstand him, but he cast him down to the ground and trampled him; and there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand.”

The Angel interpreted the vision to Daniel later in the passage.

Daniel 8

21And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

The Greek Empire was controlled by the Macedonian king Alexander. Macedonia was the Single Horn that was the power of the Greek Empire. But in the end the Goat (beast) included many nations more than had been under the control of the Persian Empire. Even if it was only a shot time.

So now we come to the Beast of Revelation the one with 10 Horns. This reveals in the times just before the return of the Messiah Jesus that a great Empire (beast) will exist and that 10 Nations/Kings will be the powers that control the rest. So it is indeed plausible that a union of the 10 most powerful nations in the world could dominate and control all nations on earth.



Ephraim

There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe.


I have been a member of a lot of different Christain forums Ephraim and i have never seen anyone putting forward the proposition that the mark of the beast will be 3 sixes on their right hand or head. The important thing about the Mark is that No one will be able to buy or sell anything without it. This will probably come about when we have a single world currency that is electronic in form. Yes there are many societies and movements through history that have marked people under there control but nowhere have people been unable to buy or sell if they had the cash.





Ephraim

Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why?


If we read the verse preceding the one that reveals all will receive the mark of the Beast we may come to a better understanding off the Mark of the Beast, it says:

Revelation 13

15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So before the Mark of the Beast comes the Execution of people who refuse to worship the image of the Beast. So it ma very well be that the Mark of the Beast will be seen as a Reward for those who worship the Beast. I believe worshipping the image of the Beast will be the prerequisite needed for one to then be granted to receive the Mark of the Beast.



Ephraim

The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations.


I cannot agree. Horns are kings and nations. There is no point saying 10 horns (nations) and then adding 7 mountains (nations) If mountains where nations then the beast would ever be said to have 17 Horns or 17 mountains. I believe the mountains are just that. Mountains where the Harlot sits. But i do not necessarily believe it is Rome as many have indicated. Yes Rome was built on seven hills. But there are other cities on earth that are likewise built on 7 hills, Jerusalem is one of them.



Ok Ephraim that’s all i have to say at the moment, I hope you are a regular visitor to this site and read my reply. Here's Hoping for a bright future for you. :yh_smiley



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Does anyone agree with my conclusions?
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Are there any Christians? Is this prophecy making sense yet?
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Blimey.....................Ephraims back
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And I thought this thread was about my moped - "Da Beast".
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Time is running out.
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ephraim;1520751 wrote: Time is running out.


When? Only I need to get my Tesco order in, don't want to waste my time and money if it's all over tomorrow...
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Betty Boop;1520752 wrote: When? Only I need to get my Tesco order in, don't want to waste my time and money if it's all over tomorrow...


It's not tomorrow.
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More than likely they were referring to Nero:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of ... y_gematria
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yaaarrrgg;1520762 wrote: More than likely they were referring to Nero:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of ... y_gematria


Or far worse , Adam Schiff for Brains
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Raphael;1527675 wrote: Or far worse , Adam Schiff for Brains


Evidence in support of my "Bot Theory" is mounting.

I think that DFT might be the Dragon's Pet beastie.
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I had hoped never to see ephraim's name again, to be honest. One of these days someone will re-engage a voice from the past that should never have been disturbed, it's like playing with matches, we'll be discussing Mahmoud Abbas again and the veracity of "today I would not have made such remarks". Someone should pass that phrase to Prince Andrew, on reflection.
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LarsMac;1527687 wrote: Evidence in support of my "Bot Theory" is mounting.

I think that DFT might be the Dragon's Pet beastie.




You have lost me again . I know DJT ( Warrior King ) but not DFT.

Over here DFT is Department for Transport ---- so are you thinking of our Dr Who or his nemesis The Dalek .?
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DFT, DJT, same-same
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It's only five months since he last logged in. Having someone walk over your grave is nothing by comparison.
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I come back to view any comments every week. I don't see anything that I need to respond to. I said what needed to be said. It seems no one agrees. That's fine.
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ephraim;1527776 wrote: I come back to view any comments every week. I don't see anything that I need to respond to. I said what needed to be said. It seems no one agrees. That's fine.


We apologize for disturbing you. The recent criticism has been entirely aimed at a roughneck newbie who has so far failed to display good manners, it has not been criticism of you or your earlier posts. On behalf of the site I extend my apology to his uncouth lack of courtesy.

There is something I would invite you to do though, if you feel it might be illuminating. I would be interested in your view of the nature of foreseeing, as opposed to its content. Revelation and Daniel and the many other sources of foresight all intend the user to regard their prophesies as accurate, in other words foreseen, as opposed to predictive based on current knowledge. Is that a fair assessment? I can think of exceptions like Jonah but in general I think the visionary's declarations are intended as graphic snapshots of future events rather than warnings of possibility.

What distinguishes a foreseer with truthful visions from a storyteller making up a fiction? Is foresight open to everyone or can only a fraction of people do it? What distinguishes the one group from the other?

As for your observation that "no one agrees" I think that's unfair. You are clearly writing from a position of expert knowledge to what can only be a random selection of passers-by. Nothing any of us might say could carry weight in such a circumstance.
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ephraim;1527776 wrote: I come back to view any comments every week. I don't see anything that I need to respond to. I said what needed to be said. It seems no one agrees. That's fine.


Out of casual interest -- and I emphasise the use of the word , casual :-

Do you wonder at your gifts of interpretation , dedication and faith but ever ask

yourself , why is it only me that has this understanding ?

If not , why ?

And what has your therapist got to say ?

And has Mrs Trellis of Wales yet contacted you ?

I know from correspondence she is very worried about you and would like your

address so that she can send you some of her famous raspberry scones .



Just out of interest, I am rather keen for your End of Times . I cannot stand the

prospect of a mini ice age and the stress of moving to north Africa .A quick plague and

a Tsunami to clear up the mess is preferable .
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LarsMac;1527713 wrote: DFT, DJT, same-same


If you had said -- typo or predictive interference or even bad eyesight , I would forgive .

But instead you have told us that details are irrelevant to you . Key info no less .

A continued downward spiral is inevitable and given that you are in Colorado in the first

place , that is an awful punishment .

Has anything good ever been seen or found in Colorado , save future President Trey Gowdy ?

Rhetorical . Do not answer .

You will only start lying again !!!!!!!!
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Raphael;1527801 wrote: If you had said -- typo or predictive interference or even bad eyesight , I would forgive .

But instead you have told us that details are irrelevant to you . Key info no less .

A continued downward spiral is inevitable and given that you are in Colorado in the first

place , that is an awful punishment .

Has anything good ever been seen or found in Colorado , save future President Trey Gowdy ?

Rhetorical . Do not answer .

You will only start lying again !!!!!!!!


Personal note: DFT = Donald F****** Trump.

Sorry that you're not clever enough to pick up on that.
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LarsMac;1527818 wrote: Personal note: DFT = Donald F****** Trump.

Sorry that you're not clever enough to pick up on that.


It took you long enough to invent that lame and hopelessly inept cover story .

Amazing that you assume that me of all people would not just laugh at your hopeless attempt to wriggle .

But I am not laughing .

Just worried on your behalf .

I would call you a b***oon but our sour moderators tend to only read literally and would accuse me of some heinous infraction . Balloon . Naturally
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Raphael;1527836 wrote: It took you long enough to invent that lame and hopelessly inept cover story .

Amazing that you assume that me of all people would not just laugh at your hopeless attempt to wriggle .

But I am not laughing .

Just worried on your behalf .

I would call you a b***oon but our sour moderators tend to only read literally and would accuse me of some heinous infraction . Balloon . Naturally


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Better a tailor than suiting yourself .
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I have no use for a suit, or a tailor.
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Assumed .

Not a gentleman I fear .

A bounder perhaps .
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Raphael;1527836 wrote: I would call you a b***oon but our sour moderators tend to only read literally and would accuse me of some heinous infraction . Balloon . Naturally


The first time I skimmed past that I thought the profanity filter had excised your ass.

Apparently not.
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Raphael;1527906 wrote: Assumed .

Not a gentleman I fear .

A bounder perhaps .


I've seldom been accused of being a gentleman.
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LarsMac;1527910 wrote: I've seldom been accused of being a gentleman.


It is hard to see how modern society, at least as practised in America, could ever result in one. The Antebellum South was a different matter of course, but came at a heavy price and one would not wish to see it return in anything like its original form. There remain enclaves of good taste, I'm told, but there's a startling amount of embarrassing imitation in places like Kentucky and Texas where money, I fear, is mistakenly seen as a requirement where in fact it often detracts from a good upbringing and natural manners.

Given this evident disadvantage, may I remark on how well you present yourself online in these surroundings.
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LarsMac;1527910 wrote: I've seldom been accused of being a gentleman.


Have you worked out what made you seem a gentleman on the infrequent occasions that you claim you were so titled ?

A decent hair cut , Leather shoes , cravat and smoking jacket -- all as appropriate --- might help .

And never spit in mixed company .
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Raphael;1527914 wrote: And never spit in mixed company .


Or on sidewalks, ever.

Actually, play safe - no bodily mucus or fluids of any description anywhere in public.

What confuses people most about gentlemen relates to shoe polish. The misconception is who applies it to their shoes, the real issue is whether they use any at all.
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Raphael;1527914 wrote: Have you worked out what made you seem a gentleman on the infrequent occasions that you claim you were so titled ?

A decent hair cut , Leather shoes , cravat and smoking jacket -- all as appropriate --- might help .

And never spit in mixed company .


Well, it usually seemed to occur after I had provided assistance to someone going through a rough patch of one sort or another.
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LarsMac;1527917 wrote: Well, it usually seemed to occur after I had provided assistance to someone going through a rough patch of one sort or another.


What did you help them with?

Lightening their pockets ?
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Raphael;1527934 wrote: What did you help them with?

Lightening their pockets ?


Even for you that’s sinking to a new low :-(

If you ever evolve beyond getting your kicks out of insulting people you *might* make an interesting poster, as it is you’re just a waste of space,
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Bryn Mawr;1527942 wrote: Even for you that’s sinking to a new low :-(

If you ever evolve beyond getting your kicks out of insulting people you *might* make an interesting poster,----




You have nailed it Bryn , or are you really our Simon Cowell of the Garden ?

But give us a point for effort and another for creativity .

I can see what you are up to :-

You are working selflessly for Queen and Country and pushing the young upstarts back to those better and more wholesome times .

You are making a stand for bland banter and the hey day of Tony Blackburn.

Beer back down to a shilling a pint and Family Favourites on Sunday at lunch time .

Absolutely . By jove .

What on earth was I thinking about ?

Be honest , could I be in the running for the Nobel Prize for literature if I tidy the loose ends ?
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Raphael;1527951 wrote:

You have nailed it Bryn , or are you really our Simon Cowell of the Garden ?

But give us a point for effort and another for creativity .

I can see what you are up to :-

You are working selflessly for Queen and Country and pushing the young upstarts back to those better and more wholesome times .

You are making a stand for bland banter and the hey day of Tony Blackburn.

Beer back down to a shilling a pint and Family Favourites on Sunday at lunch time .

Absolutely . By jove .

What on earth was I thinking about ?


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Raphael;1527951 wrote: You have nailed it Bryn , or are you really our Simon Cowell of the Garden ?

But give us a point for effort and another for creativity .

I can see what you are up to :-

You are working selflessly for Queen and Country and pushing the young upstarts back to those better and more wholesome times .

You are making a stand for bland banter and the hey day of Tony Blackburn.

Beer back down to a shilling a pint and Family Favourites on Sunday at lunch time .

Absolutely . By jove .

What on earth was I thinking about ?

Be honest , could I be in the running for the Nobel Prize for literature if I tidy the loose ends ?


It is not creative and suggesting that someone is stealing from vulnerable people is not banter, it is insult and not welcome on this site.

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