Enter any newsagents, or even pick up a paper from a news vendor on the side of the road, and invariably you will be inundated with cheap filth - magazines of girls abusing their bodies and more. Not many of these magazines sell any way, and are usually put there by the vendor trying to earn a few extra bucks on the side.
Rather than put up with this sort of trash, what I would really love to see is a trust or fund started up where a small newspaper seller could be persuaded to rid his stall of such material for a sum of money, provided he agrees to destroy what material he has, and not restock. If he is offered say, $500.00 there is every chance he will accept the offer especially if he is only selling a handful of the magazines every week. Such a fund would never be able to take on multi-million pound concerns like W H Smiths, but if we could at least start with the man at the side of the road and then maybe work up to an independent corner shop, that would be a start, and who knows, it could actually catch on. How I'd love to go into a bookshop or newsagent, look up on the shelf and just see general reading material. There must be many people like me who are sick and tired of being presented with this filth everywhere they look. The Paul Raymonds of this world say they are providing a service. They are. They're providing an excellent service - for SATAN!
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Are you serious Weinbeck? For Satan? Just what kind of smut are we talking? Standard Penthouse? Hustler? D-Cup magazine? Or worse? I don't see a problem. If those women want to do that stuff, there's some guy who wants to see it. Why not just ignore it? And what about the magazines for women? We look too.
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Soberano, you are a credit to your kind. :wah:
No seriously Weinbeck, I mean no offense to you at all. I've just never had a big problem with porn. Well...that's not totally true...there's some that deeply offends me and grosses me out but I just don't have to look at that. The stuff I'd fight against would be crush mags and stuff with kids obviously. But naked women? Pfft.
No seriously Weinbeck, I mean no offense to you at all. I've just never had a big problem with porn. Well...that's not totally true...there's some that deeply offends me and grosses me out but I just don't have to look at that. The stuff I'd fight against would be crush mags and stuff with kids obviously. But naked women? Pfft.
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RedGlitter;602257 wrote: Are you serious Weinbeck? For Satan? Just what kind of smut are we talking? Standard Penthouse? Hustler? D-Cup magazine? Or worse? I don't see a problem. If those women want to do that stuff, there's some guy who wants to see it. Why not just ignore it? And what about the magazines for women? We look too.
I'm not talking about Penthouse. I'm talking about magazines - and you can get them anywhere, of women masturbating or having oral sex. It's absolutely true what you said, yes, if women want to "do that stuff" there's always some poor, sad, lonely person who'll pay his $5.00 or whatever it costs, go into the public lavatory and sit there masturbating for the next few hours. You don't see a problem - are you happy to have society sink into this form of depravity? And what of these people who perform these acts - they're somebody's daughter, somebody's sister. GOD FORBID, but if my sister or my daughter ever got involved in anything like that, I'D CHANGE MY NAME BY DEED POLE!
I'm not talking about Penthouse. I'm talking about magazines - and you can get them anywhere, of women masturbating or having oral sex. It's absolutely true what you said, yes, if women want to "do that stuff" there's always some poor, sad, lonely person who'll pay his $5.00 or whatever it costs, go into the public lavatory and sit there masturbating for the next few hours. You don't see a problem - are you happy to have society sink into this form of depravity? And what of these people who perform these acts - they're somebody's daughter, somebody's sister. GOD FORBID, but if my sister or my daughter ever got involved in anything like that, I'D CHANGE MY NAME BY DEED POLE!
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weinbeck;602276 wrote: I'm not talking about Penthouse. I'm talking about magazines - and you can get them anywhere, of women masturbating or having oral sex. It's absolutely true what you said, yes, if women want to "do that stuff" there's always some poor, sad, lonely person who'll pay his $5.00 or whatever it costs, go into the public lavatory and sit there masturbating for the next few hours. You don't see a problem - are you happy to have society sink into this form of depravity? And what of these people who perform these acts - they're somebody's daughter, somebody's sister. GOD FORBID, but if my sister or my daughter ever got involved in anything like that, I'D CHANGE MY NAME BY DEED POLE!
Hold your horses. What "sad lonely person?" Viewing/using that stuff renders them sad and lonely? I don't agree with this at all.
As for oral and doing it yourself, well what *of* the people who perform "those acts?" Is your complaint that people do that or that you just don't want someone else to look at pictures of it being done? Please clarify. Because if you think your sister and daughter aren't doing the most basic of the two at least now and then, I'd be really amazed at such naivete.
Could you explain why you feel this is depraved? Is this a religious thing?
I'm just not seeing all the wheels turning here. I think sex is great and porn is fine and everyone should stick to their own business.
But I'm interested to hear more of where you're coming from...
Hold your horses. What "sad lonely person?" Viewing/using that stuff renders them sad and lonely? I don't agree with this at all.
As for oral and doing it yourself, well what *of* the people who perform "those acts?" Is your complaint that people do that or that you just don't want someone else to look at pictures of it being done? Please clarify. Because if you think your sister and daughter aren't doing the most basic of the two at least now and then, I'd be really amazed at such naivete.
Could you explain why you feel this is depraved? Is this a religious thing?
I'm just not seeing all the wheels turning here. I think sex is great and porn is fine and everyone should stick to their own business.
But I'm interested to hear more of where you're coming from...
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Soberano;602283 wrote: I would rather somebody took their sexual frustrations out with a magazine than rape somebody, cos that is the alternative for some. Its harmless, let em carry on.
I beg to differ - what starts off as tittilation often plays on the mind so much that in the end that young person releaving his sexual tensions finds, like a drug the kick is not strong enough, and in the end he will end up raping somebody, or worse, if he finds through fantasising so much through magazines, the reality is so very different that he can't perform, he could well end up murdering somebody. Don't rubbish it - it has happened.
I beg to differ - what starts off as tittilation often plays on the mind so much that in the end that young person releaving his sexual tensions finds, like a drug the kick is not strong enough, and in the end he will end up raping somebody, or worse, if he finds through fantasising so much through magazines, the reality is so very different that he can't perform, he could well end up murdering somebody. Don't rubbish it - it has happened.
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Oh heck no! What are your sources for this? That's not sexual titillation, that's being a freaking crackpot! They have deeper seated problems than just getting off to a glossy with staples down the middle! This theory is overblown.
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weinbeck;602253 wrote: Enter any newsagents, or even pick up a paper from a news vendor on the side of the road, and invariably you will be inundated with cheap filth - magazines of girls abusing their bodies and more. Not many of these magazines sell any way, and are usually put there by the vendor trying to earn a few extra bucks on the side.
Rather than put up with this sort of trash, what I would really love to see is a trust or fund started up where a small newspaper seller could be persuaded to rid his stall of such material for a sum of money, provided he agrees to destroy what material he has, and not restock. If he is offered say, $500.00 there is every chance he will accept the offer especially if he is only selling a handful of the magazines every week. Such a fund would never be able to take on multi-million pound concerns like W H Smiths, but if we could at least start with the man at the side of the road and then maybe work up to an independent corner shop, that would be a start, and who knows, it could actually catch on. How I'd love to go into a bookshop or newsagent, look up on the shelf and just see general reading material. There must be many people like me who are sick and tired of being presented with this filth everywhere they look. The Paul Raymonds of this world say they are providing a service. They are. They're providing an excellent service - for SATAN!
My objection would be to have this material displayed at public book or newstands along with other straight mags and newspapers. I don't know where you live, but my experience hs been that the sleazy mags of which you speak are sold in Porn Shops along with, videos, and adult toys. I think you may be overly concerned with the overall effect porn has on society and that it conflicts with your religious thinking (not mean't as criticisim).
I was exposed to hard core porn at age 7 for the first time as were many of my peers. I don't think it had any long lasting negative effect. Your use of the words FILTH & SATAN says much.
Rather than put up with this sort of trash, what I would really love to see is a trust or fund started up where a small newspaper seller could be persuaded to rid his stall of such material for a sum of money, provided he agrees to destroy what material he has, and not restock. If he is offered say, $500.00 there is every chance he will accept the offer especially if he is only selling a handful of the magazines every week. Such a fund would never be able to take on multi-million pound concerns like W H Smiths, but if we could at least start with the man at the side of the road and then maybe work up to an independent corner shop, that would be a start, and who knows, it could actually catch on. How I'd love to go into a bookshop or newsagent, look up on the shelf and just see general reading material. There must be many people like me who are sick and tired of being presented with this filth everywhere they look. The Paul Raymonds of this world say they are providing a service. They are. They're providing an excellent service - for SATAN!
My objection would be to have this material displayed at public book or newstands along with other straight mags and newspapers. I don't know where you live, but my experience hs been that the sleazy mags of which you speak are sold in Porn Shops along with, videos, and adult toys. I think you may be overly concerned with the overall effect porn has on society and that it conflicts with your religious thinking (not mean't as criticisim).
I was exposed to hard core porn at age 7 for the first time as were many of my peers. I don't think it had any long lasting negative effect. Your use of the words FILTH & SATAN says much.
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RedGlitter;602285 wrote: Hold your horses. What "sad lonely person?" Viewing/using that stuff renders them sad and lonely? I don't agree with this at all.
As for oral and doing it yourself, well what *of* the people who perform "those acts?" Is your complaint that people do that or that you just don't want someone else to look at pictures of it being done? Please clarify. Because if you think your sister and daughter aren't doing the most basic of the two at least now and then, I'd be really amazed at such naivete.
Could you explain why you feel this is depraved? Is this a religious thing?
I'm just not seeing all the wheels turning here. I think sex is great and porn is fine and everyone should stick to their own business.
But I'm interested to hear more of where you're coming from...
What people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own thing - there's nothing wrong in sex - none of us would be here if it wasn't for it! What I am talking about is the over-publication of such material. Right from the year dot pornography has existed. If people wish to see photographs or films of others having sex, that's up to them, but let's limit it to those type of shops. And yes, it is a religious thing - that's why it's on the Christianity board. I was once amongst the catagory of those who'd spend every Saturday night in an all-night cinema at Leicester Square which showed about five X-rated films and then had to walk the eight miles home because I had blown everything on those type of magazines. And yes, they do make people lonely and feel even more inadequate. For some people it eats away at their brain like a cancer. On a religious score, the have an Unclean Spirit. As soon as I became a born-again Christian my whole body, and mind was cleansed - PERMANENTLY. So I know what this type of material can do - I've been down that road myself - I KNOW pornography can deprave.
As for oral and doing it yourself, well what *of* the people who perform "those acts?" Is your complaint that people do that or that you just don't want someone else to look at pictures of it being done? Please clarify. Because if you think your sister and daughter aren't doing the most basic of the two at least now and then, I'd be really amazed at such naivete.
Could you explain why you feel this is depraved? Is this a religious thing?
I'm just not seeing all the wheels turning here. I think sex is great and porn is fine and everyone should stick to their own business.
But I'm interested to hear more of where you're coming from...
What people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own thing - there's nothing wrong in sex - none of us would be here if it wasn't for it! What I am talking about is the over-publication of such material. Right from the year dot pornography has existed. If people wish to see photographs or films of others having sex, that's up to them, but let's limit it to those type of shops. And yes, it is a religious thing - that's why it's on the Christianity board. I was once amongst the catagory of those who'd spend every Saturday night in an all-night cinema at Leicester Square which showed about five X-rated films and then had to walk the eight miles home because I had blown everything on those type of magazines. And yes, they do make people lonely and feel even more inadequate. For some people it eats away at their brain like a cancer. On a religious score, the have an Unclean Spirit. As soon as I became a born-again Christian my whole body, and mind was cleansed - PERMANENTLY. So I know what this type of material can do - I've been down that road myself - I KNOW pornography can deprave.
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I think we just found the crux of the matter.
You blew all your cash on porn and thereby felt rightly empty and lowdown because of it, so porn is now a bad thing, add in the religious factor (and we all pretty much know how christianity and sex beg to differ with each other) so porn is bad on that account too.
The porn didn't cause anyone to lose their money. Just like casinos don't force people to gamble. They're there and you'd better be able to handle it. If you can't then the problem lies with you.
I'm not making light of your previous situation. But to swathe the sexuality of all humankind in the cloth of religion and depravity I find upsetting.
You blew all your cash on porn and thereby felt rightly empty and lowdown because of it, so porn is now a bad thing, add in the religious factor (and we all pretty much know how christianity and sex beg to differ with each other) so porn is bad on that account too.
The porn didn't cause anyone to lose their money. Just like casinos don't force people to gamble. They're there and you'd better be able to handle it. If you can't then the problem lies with you.
I'm not making light of your previous situation. But to swathe the sexuality of all humankind in the cloth of religion and depravity I find upsetting.
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Hark! Is that a spring cuckoo I hear? :sneaky:
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Surely this cannot be the same Weinbeck that posted in another slot on this forum? I mean... You are getting all shirty about magazines etc, and then you post elsewhere about internet porn. You denegrade people for looking at pictures of the very thing that you now advocate.
Originally Posted by weinbeck
I've tried it (Viagra), and it's not much cop. What sells it is hype. Far quicker for a desired effect is the adult sites on the internet where just the opening shots show women having oral sex. Gets it up in about eight seconds!
Originally Posted by weinbeck
I've tried it (Viagra), and it's not much cop. What sells it is hype. Far quicker for a desired effect is the adult sites on the internet where just the opening shots show women having oral sex. Gets it up in about eight seconds!
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weinbeck;602253 wrote: ...Not many of these magazines sell any way,...
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Weinbeck! weinbeck... let me ex.. :yh_rotfl
...explain some... :yh_rotfl
ah, dear....
hooooooooooo.
*wipes tear from eyes
wait, wait, give me a sec...
:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
Weinbeck! weinbeck... let me ex.. :yh_rotfl
...explain some... :yh_rotfl
ah, dear....
hooooooooooo.
*wipes tear from eyes
wait, wait, give me a sec...
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Hugh Janus;602338 wrote: Surely this cannot be the same Weinbeck that posted in another slot on this forum? I mean... You are getting all shirty about magazines etc, and then you post elsewhere about internet porn. You denegrade people for looking at pictures of the very thing that you now advocate.
Originally Posted by weinbeck
I've tried it (Viagra), and it's not much cop. What sells it is hype. Far quicker for a desired effect is the adult sites on the internet where just the opening shots show women having oral sex. Gets it up in about eight seconds!
Spot on!:wah: :wah: That was, of course, spoken in jest, though obviously you're going to say "people in glass houses..."
Originally Posted by weinbeck
I've tried it (Viagra), and it's not much cop. What sells it is hype. Far quicker for a desired effect is the adult sites on the internet where just the opening shots show women having oral sex. Gets it up in about eight seconds!
Spot on!:wah: :wah: That was, of course, spoken in jest, though obviously you're going to say "people in glass houses..."
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I think I'd make it compulsory for every citizen to appear in a top-shelf magazine, depicted both masturbating and having oral sex, as a condition for voting. No action strip shots, no franchise. It might even bring the price of the magazines down. Nobody should be responsible for selecting their representation in government unless they can demonstrate an adequate sense of selflessness that way.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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RedGlitter;602329 wrote: I think we just found the crux of the matter.
You blew all your cash on porn and thereby felt rightly empty and lowdown because of it, so porn is now a bad thing, add in the religious factor (and we all pretty much know how christianity and sex beg to differ with each other) so porn is bad on that account too.
The porn didn't cause anyone to lose their money. Just like casinos don't force people to gamble. They're there and you'd better be able to handle it. If you can't then the problem lies with you.
I'm not making light of your previous situation. But to swathe the sexuality of all humankind in the cloth of religion and depravity I find upsetting.
We have a budding psychologist in our midst. I will answer your comments as truthfully as I can, and then perhaps you can gain a better understanding of the reasons behind my feelings:
Although neither of my parents were church goers on a regular basis, it didn't prevent me from receiving a receiving a Christian upbringing. I actually joined a Christian youth club, so I guess I got off on a right footing. Unfortunately, that's where it ended. As soon as you started work, you became a man in a man's world, and were expected to conduct yourself accordingly. With pubs, clubs and top-shelf magazines in every newsagent, God soon took second place and was eventually forgotten about altogether. Unlike my colleagues, I had very few friends, and no girlfriend, so like many lonely people, I visited museums, art galleries, that sort of thing, and launched myself into penfriendship where, along with my equally lonely respondents, I was able to indulge in a form of online "romance" safe in the knowledge that we were unlikely to meet up. It's not as corny as it sounds. You end up sharing exceedingly personal information, because you form a kind of a bond, and become involved with each other's lives. When I wasn't corresponding with my penfriends, I was visiting the West End and pouring over soft-porn magazines (nothing compared to what is available now). The problem was, it was followed by feelings of guilt. Soon I was too ashamed to even enter a church. I'd try to "confess my sins" in the privacy of my own room, but felt I wasn't "getting through". Like half the country, I became what I'd term as a "Christian of convenience" thinking about God only in times of crisis. I'd go through religious spells but they would last only for five or six weeks at a time, or for the duration of whatever was troubling me. Then I'd be back to my old self.
Many years later my father passed away and I was going through one crisis after another, and at the nadir of my life, just millimetres away from a nervous breakdown, I listened to a lay preacher down by the Tower of London. He came across to me after he had stepped down and asked me if I had given myself to the Lord. I went straight into the nearest church, dropped to my knees and for the first time in my life experienced true remorse, true repentance. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart as my personal Guide and Saviour, to wipe away my sins, and to cleanse my mind. He did - INSTANTLY! I was, in every sence of the word born-again. That wa five years ago. I'm now writing a book on people's testimonies. The raw emotion of finding true salvation is something that can ONLY be experienced by a fellow convert.
You blew all your cash on porn and thereby felt rightly empty and lowdown because of it, so porn is now a bad thing, add in the religious factor (and we all pretty much know how christianity and sex beg to differ with each other) so porn is bad on that account too.
The porn didn't cause anyone to lose their money. Just like casinos don't force people to gamble. They're there and you'd better be able to handle it. If you can't then the problem lies with you.
I'm not making light of your previous situation. But to swathe the sexuality of all humankind in the cloth of religion and depravity I find upsetting.
We have a budding psychologist in our midst. I will answer your comments as truthfully as I can, and then perhaps you can gain a better understanding of the reasons behind my feelings:
Although neither of my parents were church goers on a regular basis, it didn't prevent me from receiving a receiving a Christian upbringing. I actually joined a Christian youth club, so I guess I got off on a right footing. Unfortunately, that's where it ended. As soon as you started work, you became a man in a man's world, and were expected to conduct yourself accordingly. With pubs, clubs and top-shelf magazines in every newsagent, God soon took second place and was eventually forgotten about altogether. Unlike my colleagues, I had very few friends, and no girlfriend, so like many lonely people, I visited museums, art galleries, that sort of thing, and launched myself into penfriendship where, along with my equally lonely respondents, I was able to indulge in a form of online "romance" safe in the knowledge that we were unlikely to meet up. It's not as corny as it sounds. You end up sharing exceedingly personal information, because you form a kind of a bond, and become involved with each other's lives. When I wasn't corresponding with my penfriends, I was visiting the West End and pouring over soft-porn magazines (nothing compared to what is available now). The problem was, it was followed by feelings of guilt. Soon I was too ashamed to even enter a church. I'd try to "confess my sins" in the privacy of my own room, but felt I wasn't "getting through". Like half the country, I became what I'd term as a "Christian of convenience" thinking about God only in times of crisis. I'd go through religious spells but they would last only for five or six weeks at a time, or for the duration of whatever was troubling me. Then I'd be back to my old self.
Many years later my father passed away and I was going through one crisis after another, and at the nadir of my life, just millimetres away from a nervous breakdown, I listened to a lay preacher down by the Tower of London. He came across to me after he had stepped down and asked me if I had given myself to the Lord. I went straight into the nearest church, dropped to my knees and for the first time in my life experienced true remorse, true repentance. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart as my personal Guide and Saviour, to wipe away my sins, and to cleanse my mind. He did - INSTANTLY! I was, in every sence of the word born-again. That wa five years ago. I'm now writing a book on people's testimonies. The raw emotion of finding true salvation is something that can ONLY be experienced by a fellow convert.
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The problem was, it was followed by feelings of guilt. Soon I was too ashamed to even enter a church. I'd try to "confess my sins" in the privacy of my own room, but felt I wasn't "getting through".
My previous comments bear repeating. This guilt is peculiar to christianity (I do have some personal experience with that) and is one of the ways that particular religion is designed to control us. Why should there be any guilt at all? God created desire and made ways for it to be expressed, so how is that wrong or to be smothered in guilt?
There's free will to do what you wish and I think if women want to be seen in a smut aspect and men want to observe that, then who's getting hurt, how and why?
I'm thinking the disagreement between us about sex and porn is soon to be displaced by one of religion.
I'm thinking the problem is religion.
Again, no offense Weinbeck. At all. I'm just saying that christianity and me have never seen eye to eye. In fact it messed me up for a good long time until I got out of its grasp.
My previous comments bear repeating. This guilt is peculiar to christianity (I do have some personal experience with that) and is one of the ways that particular religion is designed to control us. Why should there be any guilt at all? God created desire and made ways for it to be expressed, so how is that wrong or to be smothered in guilt?
There's free will to do what you wish and I think if women want to be seen in a smut aspect and men want to observe that, then who's getting hurt, how and why?
I'm thinking the disagreement between us about sex and porn is soon to be displaced by one of religion.
I'm thinking the problem is religion.
Again, no offense Weinbeck. At all. I'm just saying that christianity and me have never seen eye to eye. In fact it messed me up for a good long time until I got out of its grasp.
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RedGlitter;602565 wrote: The problem was, it was followed by feelings of guilt. Soon I was too ashamed to even enter a church. I'd try to "confess my sins" in the privacy of my own room, but felt I wasn't "getting through".
My previous comments bear repeating. This guilt is peculiar to christianity (I do have some personal experience with that) and is one of the ways that particular religion is designed to control us. Why should there be any guilt at all? God created desire and made ways for it to be expressed, so how is that wrong or to be smothered in guilt?
There's free will to do what you wish and I think if women want to be seen in a smut aspect and men want to observe that, then who's getting hurt, how and why?
I'm thinking the disagreement between us about sex and porn is soon to be displaced by one of religion.
I'm thinking the problem is religion.
Again, no offense Weinbeck. At all. I'm just saying that christianity and me have never seen eye to eye. In fact it messed me up for a good long time until I got out of its grasp.
Thank you for you comments. It's not so much sex that Christians tend to have moral hang ups over. Let's face it, God gave us a reproductive system to use for both pleasure and necessity. No, what many Christians (and non-Christians for that matter) find distasteful is the way in which is projected - where it is rammed down people's throats in "those type" of magazines with people indulging in oral sex, self-abuse etc. OK, some Christians could look at page after page of women abusing their bodies, and it would do nothing to them, but as I pointed out - and openly admit, for many it had an adverse effect. The early stages of the fall of the Roman Empire was marked by moral decline and mass whoring - don't asked what started the decline of the British Empire! Lol.
Many will say: "It's my body, and I can do what I like with it." As Christians, we tend to disagree on that point. Our bodies are a Temple of God, therefore if we abuse our bodies - be it sex, masturbation, drugs, alcohol, smoking - anything that is contrary to a healthy lifestyle, we are throwing back into God's face what He has so graciously given us, (Corrinthians, ct 6 v19) If you haven't got a Bible the actual quotation is: "Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God. You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. The price referred to our salvation through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ - a price that can never be repaid. THAT is why we feel guilt. We all sin, but when I intentionally sin, I feel I am driving those thorns still deeper into Christ's head.
I had to go to the dentist the other day - not an enjoyable experience! I could have cancelled it, but there is one appointment which I cannot break, and that is when I am called before God to give an account of my actions. Two months ago I came perilously close to meeting Him when I was involved in a serious car smash. He spared my life so that hopefully I could finish my book - In Him I Place My Trust. When it finally gets published, I would dearly love to give you a copy. One of those who gave me his testimony had SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM! Don't worry, I'm not going to preach to you. All I will say, is since turning to our Saviour, our lives have changed forever.
Whatever, thank you for your comments. Peace be with you, Fred.
My previous comments bear repeating. This guilt is peculiar to christianity (I do have some personal experience with that) and is one of the ways that particular religion is designed to control us. Why should there be any guilt at all? God created desire and made ways for it to be expressed, so how is that wrong or to be smothered in guilt?
There's free will to do what you wish and I think if women want to be seen in a smut aspect and men want to observe that, then who's getting hurt, how and why?
I'm thinking the disagreement between us about sex and porn is soon to be displaced by one of religion.
I'm thinking the problem is religion.
Again, no offense Weinbeck. At all. I'm just saying that christianity and me have never seen eye to eye. In fact it messed me up for a good long time until I got out of its grasp.
Thank you for you comments. It's not so much sex that Christians tend to have moral hang ups over. Let's face it, God gave us a reproductive system to use for both pleasure and necessity. No, what many Christians (and non-Christians for that matter) find distasteful is the way in which is projected - where it is rammed down people's throats in "those type" of magazines with people indulging in oral sex, self-abuse etc. OK, some Christians could look at page after page of women abusing their bodies, and it would do nothing to them, but as I pointed out - and openly admit, for many it had an adverse effect. The early stages of the fall of the Roman Empire was marked by moral decline and mass whoring - don't asked what started the decline of the British Empire! Lol.
Many will say: "It's my body, and I can do what I like with it." As Christians, we tend to disagree on that point. Our bodies are a Temple of God, therefore if we abuse our bodies - be it sex, masturbation, drugs, alcohol, smoking - anything that is contrary to a healthy lifestyle, we are throwing back into God's face what He has so graciously given us, (Corrinthians, ct 6 v19) If you haven't got a Bible the actual quotation is: "Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God. You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. The price referred to our salvation through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ - a price that can never be repaid. THAT is why we feel guilt. We all sin, but when I intentionally sin, I feel I am driving those thorns still deeper into Christ's head.
I had to go to the dentist the other day - not an enjoyable experience! I could have cancelled it, but there is one appointment which I cannot break, and that is when I am called before God to give an account of my actions. Two months ago I came perilously close to meeting Him when I was involved in a serious car smash. He spared my life so that hopefully I could finish my book - In Him I Place My Trust. When it finally gets published, I would dearly love to give you a copy. One of those who gave me his testimony had SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM! Don't worry, I'm not going to preach to you. All I will say, is since turning to our Saviour, our lives have changed forever.
Whatever, thank you for your comments. Peace be with you, Fred.
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weinbeck;602276 wrote: are you happy to have society sink into this form of depravity? And what of these people who perform these acts - they're somebody's daughter, somebody's sister. GOD FORBID, but if my sister or my daughter ever got involved in anything like that, I'D CHANGE MY NAME BY DEED POLE!
This has damn all to do with society. Sex and sexuality is about people, not society. I, personally would be far happier if an offspring of mine (of whatever gender) chose to indulge in "these acts", rather than don a uniform and go out to kill someone wearing a slightly different uniform.
You referred to "these acts" and the people who "perform" these acts. There is clue in there........the word PEOPLE.
This has damn all to do with society. Sex and sexuality is about people, not society. I, personally would be far happier if an offspring of mine (of whatever gender) chose to indulge in "these acts", rather than don a uniform and go out to kill someone wearing a slightly different uniform.
You referred to "these acts" and the people who "perform" these acts. There is clue in there........the word PEOPLE.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
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Chookie;602757 wrote: This has damn all to do with society. Sex and sexuality is about people, not society. I, personally would be far happier if an offspring of mine (of whatever gender) chose to indulge in "these acts", rather than don a uniform and go out to kill someone wearing a slightly different uniform.
You referred to "these acts" and the people who "perform" these acts. There is clue in there........the word PEOPLE.
Damn all to do with society?? Damn all to do with society? My friend, even if I were not a Christian, I reiterate my words: what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own affair, but if somebody showed me a magazine featuring my daughter (or son) carrying out acts of self-abuse, I would, as I said, change my name by deed poll, and my will, with it! Perhaps you have the skin of a rhino - I know I don't!
You referred to "these acts" and the people who "perform" these acts. There is clue in there........the word PEOPLE.
Damn all to do with society?? Damn all to do with society? My friend, even if I were not a Christian, I reiterate my words: what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own affair, but if somebody showed me a magazine featuring my daughter (or son) carrying out acts of self-abuse, I would, as I said, change my name by deed poll, and my will, with it! Perhaps you have the skin of a rhino - I know I don't!
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Pinky;602822 wrote: The way I see it is this...no-one is forcing you to buy one and look through it, so what's the prob?
Very true - you've got a point there
Nobody forces anybody to do anything in this world. Nobody forces anybody to try cannabis, alcohol or anything else for that matter. The only problem is when these magazines get into the hands of those who are easily influenced, they percieve women in a derogatory manner. They've got an 18+ on the cover, but like cigarettes and alcohol, it seems to mean damn all. I know you can't wrap kids up in cotton wool, but if your fifteen year old started started smoking, would turn a blind eye and ignore it?
Very true - you've got a point there
Nobody forces anybody to do anything in this world. Nobody forces anybody to try cannabis, alcohol or anything else for that matter. The only problem is when these magazines get into the hands of those who are easily influenced, they percieve women in a derogatory manner. They've got an 18+ on the cover, but like cigarettes and alcohol, it seems to mean damn all. I know you can't wrap kids up in cotton wool, but if your fifteen year old started started smoking, would turn a blind eye and ignore it?Top-shelf magazines and all that
weinbeck;602748 wrote: Thank you for you comments. It's not so much sex that Christians tend to have moral hang ups over. Let's face it, God gave us a reproductive system to use for both pleasure and necessity. No, what many Christians (and non-Christians for that matter) find distasteful is the way in which is projected - where it is rammed down people's throats in "those type" of magazines with people indulging in oral sex, self-abuse etc. OK, some Christians could look at page after page of women abusing their bodies, and it would do nothing to them, but as I pointed out - and openly admit, for many it had an adverse effect. The early stages of the fall of the Roman Empire was marked by moral decline and mass whoring - don't asked what started the decline of the British Empire! Lol.
Many will say: "It's my body, and I can do what I like with it." As Christians, we tend to disagree on that point. Our bodies are a Temple of God, therefore if we abuse our bodies - be it sex, masturbation, drugs, alcohol, smoking - anything that is contrary to a healthy lifestyle, we are throwing back into God's face what He has so graciously given us, (Corrinthians, ct 6 v19) If you haven't got a Bible the actual quotation is: "Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God. You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. The price referred to our salvation through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ - a price that can never be repaid. THAT is why we feel guilt. We all sin, but when I intentionally sin, I feel I am driving those thorns still deeper into Christ's head.
I had to go to the dentist the other day - not an enjoyable experience! I could have cancelled it, but there is one appointment which I cannot break, and that is when I am called before God to give an account of my actions. Two months ago I came perilously close to meeting Him when I was involved in a serious car smash. He spared my life so that hopefully I could finish my book - In Him I Place My Trust. When it finally gets published, I would dearly love to give you a copy. One of those who gave me his testimony had SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM! Don't worry, I'm not going to preach to you. All I will say, is since turning to our Saviour, our lives have changed forever.
Whatever, thank you for your comments. Peace be with you, Fred.
Could you please tell me where in the Bible God says to use the body for pleasure? Perhaps I'm just thinking Old Testament here where sex was only to be use for procreation.
(Who's Fred?)
Many will say: "It's my body, and I can do what I like with it." As Christians, we tend to disagree on that point. Our bodies are a Temple of God, therefore if we abuse our bodies - be it sex, masturbation, drugs, alcohol, smoking - anything that is contrary to a healthy lifestyle, we are throwing back into God's face what He has so graciously given us, (Corrinthians, ct 6 v19) If you haven't got a Bible the actual quotation is: "Do you not know that your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God. You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. The price referred to our salvation through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ - a price that can never be repaid. THAT is why we feel guilt. We all sin, but when I intentionally sin, I feel I am driving those thorns still deeper into Christ's head.
I had to go to the dentist the other day - not an enjoyable experience! I could have cancelled it, but there is one appointment which I cannot break, and that is when I am called before God to give an account of my actions. Two months ago I came perilously close to meeting Him when I was involved in a serious car smash. He spared my life so that hopefully I could finish my book - In Him I Place My Trust. When it finally gets published, I would dearly love to give you a copy. One of those who gave me his testimony had SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM! Don't worry, I'm not going to preach to you. All I will say, is since turning to our Saviour, our lives have changed forever.
Whatever, thank you for your comments. Peace be with you, Fred.
Could you please tell me where in the Bible God says to use the body for pleasure? Perhaps I'm just thinking Old Testament here where sex was only to be use for procreation.
(Who's Fred?)
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911;604239 wrote: Could you please tell me where in the Bible God says to use the body for pleasure? Perhaps I'm just thinking Old Testament here where sex was only to be use for procreation.
(Who's Fred?)
God said "Be fruitful and multiply." (Gen. 1 v 28) Thus said, it would obviously be an enjoyable and pleasurable experience - who abstains from marital relationships the second a spouse becomes pregnant? The body was designed to give physical pleasure, within the confines of marriage. That is why, in the book of Comon Prayer, one of the reasons "for the remission of sin". Physical relationships outside marriage are frowned upon - there are several passages in the Bible to back this up. A third reason is for companionship in one's twilight years.
(For the record, Fred is my personal - I used to use it a few years back, but then moved house and adopted a new name, not realising the old one was still valid). Old'uns like Ted can still remember me - for the wrong reasons!
(Who's Fred?)
God said "Be fruitful and multiply." (Gen. 1 v 28) Thus said, it would obviously be an enjoyable and pleasurable experience - who abstains from marital relationships the second a spouse becomes pregnant? The body was designed to give physical pleasure, within the confines of marriage. That is why, in the book of Comon Prayer, one of the reasons "for the remission of sin". Physical relationships outside marriage are frowned upon - there are several passages in the Bible to back this up. A third reason is for companionship in one's twilight years.
(For the record, Fred is my personal - I used to use it a few years back, but then moved house and adopted a new name, not realising the old one was still valid). Old'uns like Ted can still remember me - for the wrong reasons!
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But this is presuming the bible and christianity are applicable to everyone and accepted by everyone and they are wholly not. There are other religions just as viable in the eyes of their practitioners and even bystanders that do not have the marriage clause. While I agree with you in part, I don't agree that sex is for marriage only.
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RedGlitter;605055 wrote: But this is presuming the bible and christianity are applicable to everyone and accepted by everyone and they are wholly not. There are other religions just as viable in the eyes of their practitioners and even bystanders who do not have the marriage clause. While I agree with you in part, I don't agree that sex is for marriage only.
It's too late for me to start digging through my Bible - it's passed midnight (00.40hrs) however I will sort something out for you later.
It's too late for me to start digging through my Bible - it's passed midnight (00.40hrs) however I will sort something out for you later.
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Soberano;605065 wrote: Hey Weinbeck, there are a couple of nutter threads here you might like to participate in.
Ah. welcome back! Laugh all you like. I'll laugh too - from the other side of that great gulf that will divide us. You can laugh all the way to Hell - but you certainly can't laugh your way out. You're obviously happy with where you are - I'm happy with where I'm going! "And besides all this, between you and us, there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us." (Luke ct16 v 26)
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction!" (Proverbs ct 1 v 7) See you around, sucker;)
Ah. welcome back! Laugh all you like. I'll laugh too - from the other side of that great gulf that will divide us. You can laugh all the way to Hell - but you certainly can't laugh your way out. You're obviously happy with where you are - I'm happy with where I'm going! "And besides all this, between you and us, there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us." (Luke ct16 v 26)
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction!" (Proverbs ct 1 v 7) See you around, sucker;)
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Once again....only if you are a believer....
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weinbeck;605077 wrote: Ah. welcome back! Laugh all you like. I'll laugh too - from the other side of that great gulf that will divide us. You can laugh all the way to Hell - but you certainly can't laugh your way out. You're obviously happy with where you are - I'm happy with where I'm going! "And besides all this, between you and us, there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us." (Luke ct16 v 26)
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction!" (Proverbs ct 1 v 7) See you around, sucker;)
i hear entitlement, compulsion disorder and a control problem here....let me see...tht will be five dolla...:yh_bigsmi
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction!" (Proverbs ct 1 v 7) See you around, sucker;)
i hear entitlement, compulsion disorder and a control problem here....let me see...tht will be five dolla...:yh_bigsmi
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weinbeck;602809 wrote: Damn all to do with society?? Damn all to do with society? My friend, even if I were not a Christian, I reiterate my words: what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own affair, but if somebody showed me a magazine featuring my daughter (or son) carrying out acts of self-abuse, I would, as I said, change my name by deed poll, and my will, with it! Perhaps you have the skin of a rhino - I know I don't!
So you're a Christian except when it comes to compassion and forgiveness? I don't recall JC mentioning you should turn your back and walk away from sinners. Then again I'm not a Christian so maybe I misunderstood. How do you decide which bits of JC's teaching you can ignore?
So you're a Christian except when it comes to compassion and forgiveness? I don't recall JC mentioning you should turn your back and walk away from sinners. Then again I'm not a Christian so maybe I misunderstood. How do you decide which bits of JC's teaching you can ignore?
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If I'm not mistaken all magazines are required by law to not have uncensored pornography on the front page...
I do agree that this stuff isn't appropriate for in the event of children stumbling upon it, but as for it as a whole I think what other people do that doesn't threaten anyone else in any way is their business...
But in any case, there will just simply be no end to pornography...
I commend you for your determination though...
I do agree that this stuff isn't appropriate for in the event of children stumbling upon it, but as for it as a whole I think what other people do that doesn't threaten anyone else in any way is their business...
But in any case, there will just simply be no end to pornography...
I commend you for your determination though...
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gmc;605188 wrote: So you're a Christian except when it comes to compassion and forgiveness? I don't recall JC mentioning you should turn your back and walk away from sinners. Then again I'm not a Christian so maybe I misunderstood. How do you decide which bits of JC's teaching you can ignore?
Aha - bet you thought you had me in a corner - you did, for about three seconds!:wah: Whilst there can be absolutely no denial that our Saviour's message was one of love and peace, there are a couple of let-outs.
A couple that spring to mind are: "If anyone will not welcome you, or listen to your words (italic mine) shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town." (Matt. ct10 v 14)
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked Him: "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus replied: "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." (Matt. ct18 v 21).
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy. If that's what makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody has their particular rants, be it pornography, prostitution, homosexuality bestiality - there's enough out there to keep the world raving for several lifetimes. I try not to get too hyped up about the wrongs of this world, and concentrate on what God has done for me personally since I became a Born-again Christian, but I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be:
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous act are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind, our sins sweep us away." (Isaiah ct64 v 6)
Aha - bet you thought you had me in a corner - you did, for about three seconds!:wah: Whilst there can be absolutely no denial that our Saviour's message was one of love and peace, there are a couple of let-outs.
A couple that spring to mind are: "If anyone will not welcome you, or listen to your words (italic mine) shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town." (Matt. ct10 v 14)
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked Him: "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus replied: "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." (Matt. ct18 v 21).
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy. If that's what makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody has their particular rants, be it pornography, prostitution, homosexuality bestiality - there's enough out there to keep the world raving for several lifetimes. I try not to get too hyped up about the wrongs of this world, and concentrate on what God has done for me personally since I became a Born-again Christian, but I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be:
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous act are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind, our sins sweep us away." (Isaiah ct64 v 6)
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I'm always wary of people who take on the bible's sentiments verbatim and at face value. And then apply it to everyone else as if it fits. I'm no sinner. I make mistakes left and right granted but I was not born unclean or wretched and this notion that I have to pay for the life given me rankles me to no end. My own faith leaves room for what others believe, unlike that of chest beating christians. I have a whole family of them trying to save my soul. Don't need any more of them.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
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RedGlitter;605858 wrote: I'm always wary of people who take on the bible's sentiments verbatim and at face value. And then apply it to everyone else as if it fits. I'm no sinner. I make mistakes left and right granted but I was not born unclean or wretched and this notion that I have to pay for the life given me rankles me to no end. My own faith leaves room for what others believe, unlike that of chest beating christians. I have a whole family of them trying to save my soul. Don't need any more of them.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
Very much so - no way do I want to be forced to live my life according to someone else's interpretation of the Bible.
The matter of pornography is a socialogical issue - not something to be dictated by religious fundamentalism. Your religion is something for you to wrestle with, not something for you to force down everybody elses throats to insist that we live our lives by your rules.
Having said that, I do think that a lot of the hard core stuff goes way too far but that hardly applies to the top shelf of WH Smiths or the corner newsagents.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
Very much so - no way do I want to be forced to live my life according to someone else's interpretation of the Bible.
The matter of pornography is a socialogical issue - not something to be dictated by religious fundamentalism. Your religion is something for you to wrestle with, not something for you to force down everybody elses throats to insist that we live our lives by your rules.
Having said that, I do think that a lot of the hard core stuff goes way too far but that hardly applies to the top shelf of WH Smiths or the corner newsagents.
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RedGlitter;605858 wrote: I'm always wary of people who take on the bible's sentiments verbatim and at face value. And then apply it to everyone else as if it fits. I'm no sinner. I make mistakes left and right granted but I was not born unclean or wretched and this notion that I have to pay for the life given me rankles me to no end. My own faith leaves room for what others believe, unlike that of chest beating christians. I have a whole family of them trying to save my soul. Don't need any more of them.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
I try not to overquote the Bible as well, but when people challenge me directly (not you) I have to put my money where my mouth is. I don't spend hours poring over a Bible trying to find a suitable quotation, and certainly I don't know the exact chapters or verses. If I have to, I'll look it up in my electronic Bible - a clever little device where you just type in the first few words of the passage you yant, press the search button, and up it comes. Problems arise when the words you type are too common. For example, if I just typed in the word "God" 3,584 entries would come up! Common sense should prevail.
I'm glad what you said about your faith leaving room for what others believe - that indicates to me somebody who is level headed enough not to become a bigot or a fanatic. Although I am a practising Christian, and as such trust totally in my Saviour, I am certainly not anti this religion or anti that. I am a strong believer in religious tollerance - some of the bloodiest wars have been fought in the name of God.
I know this has nada to do with the porn topic but I felt it needed to be said.
I try not to overquote the Bible as well, but when people challenge me directly (not you) I have to put my money where my mouth is. I don't spend hours poring over a Bible trying to find a suitable quotation, and certainly I don't know the exact chapters or verses. If I have to, I'll look it up in my electronic Bible - a clever little device where you just type in the first few words of the passage you yant, press the search button, and up it comes. Problems arise when the words you type are too common. For example, if I just typed in the word "God" 3,584 entries would come up! Common sense should prevail.
I'm glad what you said about your faith leaving room for what others believe - that indicates to me somebody who is level headed enough not to become a bigot or a fanatic. Although I am a practising Christian, and as such trust totally in my Saviour, I am certainly not anti this religion or anti that. I am a strong believer in religious tollerance - some of the bloodiest wars have been fought in the name of God.
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guppy;605082 wrote: i hear entitlement, compulsion disorder and a control problem here....let me see...tht will be five dolla...:yh_bigsmi
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I'm not a big fan of the skinny/annorexic figure myself. Making love to a girl like that is like doing it to a rat trap, you are always worried about something snapping.
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Jamesblonde;605945 wrote: I'm not a big fan of the skinny/annorexic figure myself. Making love to a girl like that is like doing it to a rat trap, you are always worried about something snapping.
Uh.... :-6 I think we're going to get along just fine...
Uh.... :-6 I think we're going to get along just fine...
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How is it I always find these posts?
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Just lucky I guess? 
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weinbeck;605852 wrote: Aha - bet you thought you had me in a corner - you did, for about three seconds!:wah: Whilst there can be absolutely no denial that our Saviour's message was one of love and peace, there are a couple of let-outs.
A couple that spring to mind are: "If anyone will not welcome you, or listen to your words (italic mine) shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town." (Matt. ct10 v 14)
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked Him: "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus replied: "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." (Matt. ct18 v 21).
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy. If that's what makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody has their particular rants, be it pornography, prostitution, homosexuality bestiality - there's enough out there to keep the world raving for several lifetimes. I try not to get too hyped up about the wrongs of this world, and concentrate on what God has done for me personally since I became a Born-again Christian, but I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be:
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous act are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind, our sins sweep us away." (Isaiah ct64 v 6)
Trust a born again Christian to find a get out clause that allows them to be judgemental about sinners. Blessed are the sanctimonious for they shall be able to interpret things to their own satisfaction.
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy.
I'm not one of those that loves picking over the bible trying to prove someone wrong because they haven't read it properly. Bible quotes at 4,000 miles over the internet is not my idea of fun. There are many whose religious beliefs I find absurd but that is their choice just as it is mine not to believe as they do. Many of them do have their own favourite rants-one of yours is clearly pornography and as to why you are so obsessed by it as are so many of your brethren have such a prurient obsession with sex goodness knows but I don't think it's particularly good for you.
A couple that spring to mind are: "If anyone will not welcome you, or listen to your words (italic mine) shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgement than for that town." (Matt. ct10 v 14)
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked Him: "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus replied: "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." (Matt. ct18 v 21).
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy. If that's what makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody has their particular rants, be it pornography, prostitution, homosexuality bestiality - there's enough out there to keep the world raving for several lifetimes. I try not to get too hyped up about the wrongs of this world, and concentrate on what God has done for me personally since I became a Born-again Christian, but I am not perfect, nor do I claim to be:
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous act are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind, our sins sweep us away." (Isaiah ct64 v 6)
Trust a born again Christian to find a get out clause that allows them to be judgemental about sinners. Blessed are the sanctimonious for they shall be able to interpret things to their own satisfaction.
There are probably a few more I can dig out. People love picking over the Bible trying to find contradictions and supposed hypocracy.
I'm not one of those that loves picking over the bible trying to prove someone wrong because they haven't read it properly. Bible quotes at 4,000 miles over the internet is not my idea of fun. There are many whose religious beliefs I find absurd but that is their choice just as it is mine not to believe as they do. Many of them do have their own favourite rants-one of yours is clearly pornography and as to why you are so obsessed by it as are so many of your brethren have such a prurient obsession with sex goodness knows but I don't think it's particularly good for you.
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gmc;605995 wrote: Trust a born again Christian to find a get out clause that allows them to be judgemental about sinners. Blessed are the sanctimonious for they shall be able to interpret things to their own satisfaction.
I'm not one of those that loves picking over the bible trying to prove someone wrong because they haven't read it properly. Bible quotes at 4,000 miles over the internet is not my idea of fun. There are many whose religious beliefs I find absurd but that is their choice just as it is mine not to believe as they do. Many of them do have their own favourite rants-one of yours is clearly pornography and as to why you are so obsessed by it as are so many of your brethren have such a prurient obsession with sex goodness knows but I don't think it's particularly good for you.
Sanctimonious, pompous p**t, am I? I hope not, but I've been called far worse! :wah: :wah: No, as I said to RG, I'm not one of these people who talk God morning, noon and night, full of quotations. People like that tend to be shallow and very difficult to hold a sensible conversation with. Neither am I a bigot, and certainly I'm not a religious fanatic - religious tollerance to me is a very important thing. Although most Sundays you'll find me at my local Methodist Church, I'll not ram my religion down other people's throats.
You ask me why I and so many of my Christians Brothers tend to rant on about pornography. That is a fair question, and I will answer it as truthfully as I can. I cannot possibly answer for my colleagues, as each case is different, but here is my story, and how it affected my entire life.
Many Christians, and non-Christians for that matter, are able to look at porn and dismiss as little more than harmless tittivation. However, like drugs, some people get hooked on it with a devistating effect on their social life. I don't smoke, I'm not into drugs, and I only have the occasional drink, so I had no problems on that score. Although neither of my parents were church goers on a regular basis, I did believe in God and later in my teen I joined a Christian youth club. However, as soon as I started work, I became a man, and was expected to behave like one. Unfortunately I didn't have a girlfriend, so most weekends I'd end up down Leicester Square blowing all my money on soft porn magazines. Nothing wrong with that - nothing wrong with smoking or even drugs as long as you don't let it take a grip on your life. Unfortunately I was one of the few it had an adverse affect on. And like the junkie needing a stronger and stronger fix, I too needed stronger and stronger stuff - magazines mainly from Holland - pretty tame by today's standards. After getting my fix I'd dump them in a bin on the way home. Try as I might, I found I couldn't shake it off. They'd actually make me feel even more inadequate, sexually. My obsession and religion were at loggerheads - in the end I was too ashamed to enter a church, because by then my mind had become diseased. Many years past, then one day I happened to listen to a lay preacher down by the Tower of London. He came over to me later and asked if I had given myself to the Lord. At the nadir of my life and close to a nervous breakdown due to family problems concerning my late father's estate, I went straight into the nearest church, dropped to my knees and asked Jesus Christ to come into my life as my personal guide and Saviour. I had done the same before, but this time everything came flooding out, the remorse, past problems, present crises - everything. I also asked Him to cleanse my mind, which He did - instantly. As a direct result, never again will I derive personal gratification from top-shelf magazines, and that's a fact, because the nanosecond He came into my heart, any desire to look at such material vanished - it was as though the problem never existed in the first place. He wiped the slate clean, but what a price to pay for my salvation - that slate was wiped clean with the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is also helping me to write a book made up solely of other people's testimonies, the aim being that if just one person finds true salvation through reading the testimonies of others, it would put everything I have ever written or done in the past in the shade - I need another forty testimonies, but I'm getting there. Somebody in Canada is sending me theirs shortly.
So there you have it. Whether it be pornography, prostitution, homosexuality, drugs, alcohol - anything at all, to each and every one of us who have for their own particular reasons become born-again Christians, we all share two things in common. The raw emotion of the moment will live with us forever, and the other thing we all share is the fact that our lives will never be the same agaain. One Christian convert had an incredible SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM. As I said, I'm anything but perfect
I'm not one of those that loves picking over the bible trying to prove someone wrong because they haven't read it properly. Bible quotes at 4,000 miles over the internet is not my idea of fun. There are many whose religious beliefs I find absurd but that is their choice just as it is mine not to believe as they do. Many of them do have their own favourite rants-one of yours is clearly pornography and as to why you are so obsessed by it as are so many of your brethren have such a prurient obsession with sex goodness knows but I don't think it's particularly good for you.
Sanctimonious, pompous p**t, am I? I hope not, but I've been called far worse! :wah: :wah: No, as I said to RG, I'm not one of these people who talk God morning, noon and night, full of quotations. People like that tend to be shallow and very difficult to hold a sensible conversation with. Neither am I a bigot, and certainly I'm not a religious fanatic - religious tollerance to me is a very important thing. Although most Sundays you'll find me at my local Methodist Church, I'll not ram my religion down other people's throats.
You ask me why I and so many of my Christians Brothers tend to rant on about pornography. That is a fair question, and I will answer it as truthfully as I can. I cannot possibly answer for my colleagues, as each case is different, but here is my story, and how it affected my entire life.
Many Christians, and non-Christians for that matter, are able to look at porn and dismiss as little more than harmless tittivation. However, like drugs, some people get hooked on it with a devistating effect on their social life. I don't smoke, I'm not into drugs, and I only have the occasional drink, so I had no problems on that score. Although neither of my parents were church goers on a regular basis, I did believe in God and later in my teen I joined a Christian youth club. However, as soon as I started work, I became a man, and was expected to behave like one. Unfortunately I didn't have a girlfriend, so most weekends I'd end up down Leicester Square blowing all my money on soft porn magazines. Nothing wrong with that - nothing wrong with smoking or even drugs as long as you don't let it take a grip on your life. Unfortunately I was one of the few it had an adverse affect on. And like the junkie needing a stronger and stronger fix, I too needed stronger and stronger stuff - magazines mainly from Holland - pretty tame by today's standards. After getting my fix I'd dump them in a bin on the way home. Try as I might, I found I couldn't shake it off. They'd actually make me feel even more inadequate, sexually. My obsession and religion were at loggerheads - in the end I was too ashamed to enter a church, because by then my mind had become diseased. Many years past, then one day I happened to listen to a lay preacher down by the Tower of London. He came over to me later and asked if I had given myself to the Lord. At the nadir of my life and close to a nervous breakdown due to family problems concerning my late father's estate, I went straight into the nearest church, dropped to my knees and asked Jesus Christ to come into my life as my personal guide and Saviour. I had done the same before, but this time everything came flooding out, the remorse, past problems, present crises - everything. I also asked Him to cleanse my mind, which He did - instantly. As a direct result, never again will I derive personal gratification from top-shelf magazines, and that's a fact, because the nanosecond He came into my heart, any desire to look at such material vanished - it was as though the problem never existed in the first place. He wiped the slate clean, but what a price to pay for my salvation - that slate was wiped clean with the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. He is also helping me to write a book made up solely of other people's testimonies, the aim being that if just one person finds true salvation through reading the testimonies of others, it would put everything I have ever written or done in the past in the shade - I need another forty testimonies, but I'm getting there. Somebody in Canada is sending me theirs shortly.
So there you have it. Whether it be pornography, prostitution, homosexuality, drugs, alcohol - anything at all, to each and every one of us who have for their own particular reasons become born-again Christians, we all share two things in common. The raw emotion of the moment will live with us forever, and the other thing we all share is the fact that our lives will never be the same agaain. One Christian convert had an incredible SIXTEEN PRISON SENTANCES BEHIND HIM. As I said, I'm anything but perfect
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Top-shelf magazines and all that
Is there no one here who will shag this poor b*stard and cure him!
Ted?
Ted?