life for the killers of stephen lawrence the AA grumpy column

[the grumps]

hello and welcome to what may be one of the more contreversial posts i have ever written getting the AA grumpy column 2012 off with a bang.

Police are assessing new information they have received in the wake of the conviction and sentencing of two of Stephen Lawrence's killers.

Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, were given life sentences at the Old Bailey yesterday for the racist murder of Mr Lawrence nearly 19 years ago.

Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll, who has been the senior officer in the case for a number of years, said the Met had received five calls from members of the public during the trial.

'We have had people who have phoned in during the trial and offered their assistance and we are looking at that to the best of our abilities,' he told the BBC.

He added that officers would be visiting Dobson and Norris in prison to see whether they would be willing to assist the inquiry and said he remained 'optimistic' about further progress being made in the case.

Mr Justice Treacy dramatically ordered Scotland Yard to hunt down the ‘three or four’ killers still at large. Police, he declared, should not ‘close the file’ on the case.

His forthright comments were backed by Stephen’s parents, Neville and Doreen, and prompted the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe to pledge that the remaining suspects ‘should not rest easily in their beds’.

The court has heard that a gang of five or six white youths set upon the A-level student in Eltham, South-East London, in 1993.

Dobson, who is already serving a five-year sentence for drug-dealing, was sentenced to at least 15 years and two months.

Norris was given a minimum of 14 years and three months for the murder, which the judge said was a 'terrible and evil crime'.

A spokesman for the Met said detectives were looking into information they had received in the previous 24 hours.

He said: 'We can confirm that we have received a number of telephone calls in light of the verdicts and today's sentencing. This information will be evaluated.'

The trio of men long suspected of joining Dobson and Norris in the ‘racist and thuggish’ South London attack in April 1993 are brothers Neil and Jamie Acourt and Luke Knight.

Their names were handed to police within days of Stephen’s murder and all five were named by the Daily Mail as killers in 1997 and challenged to sue if the newspaper was wrong. They never did.

The new phase of the marathon Lawrence investigation is expected to focus on the Acourt brothers and Knight, who were in hiding last night after apparently fleeing their homes. It is also likely to include a renewed attempt to identify a possible sixth member of the gang.

In an interview with the Daily Mail, Mr Lawrence's mother Doreen said of the sentences given to Norris and Dobson: 'They took my son's life, so I feel they should be given life with a minimum of 20 years.

'Their age had nothing to do with it. They had the same mindset at 16 and 17 that they probably still have now.

'I would have liked longer sentences but the law is the law.'

Referring to the rest of the killers, she told the newspaper: 'I'm hoping that, eventually, Dobson and Norris will give up the others; that they won't take the whole guilty vote for themselves.

'I want to get the others, but I also want a life.'

Mr Lawrence's father Neville told reporters outside court that he hoped the pair would 'give up the rest of the people' involved.

Mrs Lawrence said the sentences were 'quite low', but appreciated the judge's hands were tied and she would now 'start moving on'.

It is understood that a decision will be made on whether to keep the men at Belmarsh prison, South-East London, where Norris has previously been beaten up.

Wherever they end up the pair are expected to be given extra protection in prison amid fears of revenge attacks.

It is likely they will serve their sentences in segregated wings alongside other 'vulnerable' prisoners such as paedophiles who are also thought to be at risk of attack.

A legal expert told Mail Online: 'There is a general duty of care to ensure their safety; how it is fulfilled is a matter for the prison governor.

'But Rule 45 is likely to come into play, under which they could be put in solitary confinement for their own protection.'

Rule 45 (formerly Rule 43), is the rule that allows the isolation of vulnerable prisoners in the interests of their own personal safety.

In court, Mr Justice Treacy called forward Mr Driscoll, and said that the public inquiry into the circumstances surrounding Mr Lawrence's death had 'shamed and humbled' the Met, but praised the hard work done in recent years.

Neil Acourt and his girlfriend Claire Vose: He has repeatedly been in trouble with the law. She is expecting their first child this month

The judge went on: 'At least a measure of justice has been achieved at last. However, the convictions of Gary Dobson and David Norris will not, I hope, close the file on this murder. On the evidence before the court, there are still three or four other killers of Stephen Lawrence at large.

'Just as advances in science have brought two people to justice, I hope the Metropolitan Police will be alert to future lines of inquiry, not only based on developments in science but perhaps also information from those who have been silent so far, wherever they may be.'

Earlier, he had sentenced Dobson and Norris in a packed but silent courtroom.

He called the killing 'a terrible and evil crime', and quoted the Lord Chief Justice who called it a 'murder which scarred the conscience of the nation'.

Mr Justice Treacy told the pair: 'A totally innocent 18-year-old youth on the threshold of a promising life was brutally cut down in the street in front of eyewitnesses by a racist, thuggish gang.

'You were both members of that gang. I have no doubt at all that you fully subscribed to its views and attitudes.'

He said the murder was committed 'for no other reason than racial hatred'.



The evidence in the trial could not prove who wielded the knife, but he said that whoever used it had done so with Dobson and Norris' 'knowledge and approval'.

Neither of them had shown "the slightest regret or remorse" since the murder and they had both lied to the court.

When it was over, Dobson left speedily, stepping over Norris who had bent down to pick up his papers.

Norris then kissed his hand and offered it up to the public gallery in a thumbs-up sign before he too was led from the court.

As the judge rose to leave, a few people began clapping in the public gallery.

Dobson's father, Stephen, called down to the court: 'Shame on all of you.'

Read more: Jailing of Lawrence murderers prompts FIVE calls to detectives offering new information | Mail Online



AAG

now please allow me to crave your indulgence

what if the situation was reversed and a black man killed a white teenager would the case be reopened after 19 years ... NO

would it have been such a high profile case... NO

and what right has m lud got to tell scotland yard to find the other three NONE ... this is two tier justice on the orders of a politically correct government foisting multiculutualism on us and as a PC publicity stunt as the political elite are terrified of a repeat of the london riots or the brixton riots where black feral youths went on the rampage.

these same black youths who instead of being in jail for carrying knives rioting,looting escape with police cautions for the london riots.

these same blacks who escape with a smack on wrist for an unproved racist attack on a white girl but this didnt get the same amount of publicity as the stephen lawrence case.

one commenter even wrote there are a large enclave of BNP in eltham which is typical blame the BNP for the killing .

now im not racist or anti black but justice must be the same for all regardless of the colour of your skin

[Clodhopper]

now im not racist or anti black but justice must be the same for all regardless of the colour of your skin


Yes you are. You support the BNP. At best you are misguided; at worst you are a racist inciter of hatred and a disgrace to the nation of whom I am ashamed.

MY understanding is that the only reason the case was still going was the determination of the lad's mother. What has that to do with the colour of her skin?

And yes, I do think the BNP has some responsibility for the killing by the way they approve of and support the murderers' disgusting racist beliefs. The BNP are evil.

This video demonstrates exactly how he is conning the gullible:

[Bruv]

I don't honestly know if I can be arsed answering many of your points.

It would appear we both live in different worlds with a different set of media where we get different news beamed at us.

Just for an insight into different views of the world and how things work in real life where non racists live...... an experiment in people's attitude.

[Oscar Namechange]

Last night, the Mail reported that a police officer had to stand over the memorial of Stephen Lawrence as It was being vandalised. They also reported that many many passing motorists were hurling racist abuse as they drove past.... all BNP racists ? No.... ordinary people who have been left with a very uncomfortable feeling surrounding this whole affair.

This should send a clear message to the Mother, the courts and the police.... That the entire country is not celebrating the conviction of what could be two Innocent men.

I agree with much Grumps has said...In my line of work for Nationalism, I have seen the evidence of white teenagers stabbed and beaten senseless by racist black and Asian gangs.... Remember Ben Kinsalla ????? For one. I could sit here all night loading video evidence that would shock you all.

You talk about racism Clod... I'll tell you what is racist.... when one case Is re-opened, enquirey after enquirey, laws and policing changed and re-opening a new trial after the two were found not guilty to appease a woman who has screamed racism from the start because her son was black while racist attacks go un-investigated or un-prosecuted because the victem was white.

This whole case Is not about the colour of the victem's skin.... I couldn't care less If It was a Chinaman frankly... It Is the refusal by the family to accept the not guilty verdict of a trial by jury and another ensuing equirey. It Is the persecution of a group of men who happened to fit the profile.

If this country Is going to persue racist murderers with such zeal, then let's be fair. Let's put the same amount of time, money and resources Into bringing to justice those blacks and Asians who attack white teenagers.

The only reason this case has reached this conclusion Is down to a Mother who would not accept the not guilty verdict of a fair Initial trial and the findings of a later enquirey.

You can argue that she fought for justice or her son, well, many do not agree. This woman seems consumed by a hatred that will not be satisfied. I remember seeing an Interview with her years ago where she said she just wanted someone accountable. Now she has two accountable, she Is Insisting she wants anyone remotely associated with the two thrown In jail for life also.... That's not justice.... That Is a hatred.

Will she be donating some of the donations she has recieved to the families of white teenagers stabbed by black gangs ? I guess not.

I don't give a flying Fox Clod If you think I am racist. You need to get In the real world and If you attended some of The Nationalist road-shows all over the country that I organise, talking to the public, real people, you would find that the country does not follow your thinking.

I don't want any teenager killed what ever his nationality or colour but this whole case is very suspicious to me and you'll never convince me that It was nothing more than to shut the mother up.

I hope they appeal the conviction.

They have had their faces plastered all over newspapers and tv for 18 years and could never have had a fair trial. Any other trial would have been thrown out because of this.

[Oscar Namechange]

This case Is still on going... Have the police spent years tracking down every one of these people who were there when he was attacked.... NO... Are the police Interested In getting every one of them.... No

RACIAL ATTACKS ON WHITES DONT COUNT - YouTube

Where's his justice ?

[Bruv]

What sort of person would want to deface a memorial ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380459 wrote: What sort of person would want to deface a memorial ? I agree with you. I wouldn't want to see any memorial defaced who ever It was.

I think the anger shown here In this case Is more the unfairness of It all and not that Lawrence was black. I don't believe people are against him because of the colour of his skin but more because they don't see the police persue attacks on white teenagers with the same vigour... It Is that which leaves many angry at the whole affair,

Stephen Lawrence murder: Motorists racially abuse mourners at memorial | Mail Online

[Bruv]

I think any abuse is due to racist 'tourists' trying to make a point, and not the average guy in the street.

I would hazard a guess that black on black knife and gun crime, by far out weighs any black on white crime.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380462 wrote: I think any abuse is due to racist 'tourists' trying to make a point, and not the average guy in the street.

I would hazard a guess that black on black knife and gun crime, by far out weighs any black on white crime.


I think you're right and we are seeing more Increasing black and Asian gang crime against each other. It Is still fact that many police forces refuse to accept that attacks on white teenagers are racially motivated. Either that or they know bloody well they are racially motivated but fear the publicity for giving the BNP more votes and causing racial unrest In the country.

[Clodhopper]

So what are you saying, oscar? That the police should drop this murder case because the victim is black? I notice you don't say the police should do better in general. Suits you fine you can yell about it in a crass, generalised way that will convince the likes of AA Grumpy there's a point other than race hate to it.

And by the way, I think it entirely possible that the BNP organised members to drive past (several times each) and deface the memorial. Griffin takes a lot from the Nazis and this was a Nazi tactic. Worked very well, too.

And if you want the racist stuff that dare not say its name, it's some English who hate the Scots and Welsh and vice versa. Why aren't you going on about that? Or AA Grumpy thinking he's insulting me by calling me "Southern". You are Southern too. Do you realise that Grumpy DESPISES you because you live south of the Trent? The way some Scots have "No friends south of the border"?

Get real. Please.

[Oscar Namechange]

Clodhopper;1380486 wrote: So what are you saying, oscar? That the police should drop this murder case because the victim is black? I notice you don't say the police should do better in general. Suits you fine you can yell about it in a crass, generalised way that will convince the likes of AA Grumpy there's a point other than race hate to it.

And by the way, I think it entirely possible that the BNP organised members to drive past (several times each) and deface the memorial. Griffin takes a lot from the Nazis and this was a Nazi tactic. Worked very well, too.

And if you want the racist stuff that dare not say its name, it's some English who hate the Scots and Welsh and vice versa. Why aren't you going on about that? Or AA Grumpy thinking he's insulting me by calling me "Southern". You are Southern too. Do you realise that Grumpy DESPISES you because you live south of the Trent? The way some Scots have "No friends south of the border"?

Get real. Please.
Now you are being ridiculous....

First of all, to suggest Nick would ask anyone to drive past the memorial to chant racist remarks Is just outrageous libel. Nick may be many things but he Is not stupid, he Is highly educated and would never put himself In any position as you suggest. We let the EDL get on with that sort of thing. The difference between you and I Clod, Is that you go by tired old you tube clips and outdated quotes where I actually know Nick and have socialised with him many times.

Why do you choose Nick Griffin as the Instigator of the abuse at the memorial? Why not The EDL, Combat 18, The ED, BF etc etc ?

So, because there are many people In this country who are disgusted that the same amount of money, time and resources along with a change of law AFTER the two were found NOT guilty, Is not being spent on white teenagers attacked by black or Asian gangs, they all have to be raving, Nazi Loving racists ?

Remember Ben Kinsalla ? There were up to 20 black youths who chased him through the streets of London like animals until he was cornered and stabbed to death. The one who nifed him was convicted........ So Clod... why did the police not persecute the other 19 to the ends of justice until every one of them was behind bars as they vow to do In the Lawrence case? Hypocrisy, double standards, white racism and appeasement to a woman who only hired black legals and will not be happy until every white person In this country atones the death of her son.

This case would have been dropped years ago simply because after a trial by jury, the two were found NOT guilty. Another enquirey followed and NOT guilty. If this was a white teenager, following those two NOT guilty verdicts, the case would have been dropped.

Ask yourself this.... what If the gang who killed her son were black ? Would she have accused the police, the government, the authorities and every Joe Blogs In the street of being racist? I doubt It.

I don't suggest the police should drop a case because he Is black... I have never said that.... I do believe that after a fair trial and a NOT guilty verdict with a subsequent enquirey, It should have been dropped.

Me get real ??? You seriously need to get In the real world. Instead of trying to guess what the BNP or Nick has to say or thinks on the Lawrence case, try doing some research,

This Is what the BNP thinks of the case. I believe their view Is fair and I agree with them.

http://bnpideas.com/?p=3035

So Clod... Where In that does It state that the case should have been dropped because he was Black?..... Go on.... show us.

[Clodhopper]

Where In that does It state that the case should have been dropped because he was Black?..... Go on.... show us.


But that's NOT what I said. What I said was So what are you saying, oscar? That the police should drop this murder case because the victim is black?


I asked you if that is what you thought. I didn't SAY that is what you thought. There's a massive and important difference, in case you hadn't noticed.

Typical. Put up a windmill and tilt away, Donkey Hote.

The driving past several times to look like there are lots of you is a a trick Hitler used. It worked for him - at least in part because no-one believed anyone would do something like that. Big fan of Hitler, Griffin. Ask him. I'd be interested to see what the Holocaust denying racist swine has to say.

[gmc]

The irony that he is himself descended from immigrants I assume is completely lost on him. He looks Pakistani to me ( well the hair and brown eyes do) which is perhaps due to the turkish blood in his veins since they used to rule that part of europe his ancestors came from.

Surely the main issue is that the police should have investigated the stephen Lawrence case with the same zeal they should investigate every case of murder. It's not just race they allow to influence them it's the double standards if the victim is seen as of little worth we should condemn.

[Oscar Namechange]

Clodhopper;1380523 wrote: But that's NOT what I said. What I said was

I asked you if that is what you thought. I didn't SAY that is what you thought. There's a massive and important difference, in case you hadn't noticed.

Typical. Put up a windmill and tilt away, Donkey Hote.

The driving past several times to look like there are lots of you is a a trick Hitler used. It worked for him - at least in part because no-one believed anyone would do something like that. Big fan of Hitler, Griffin. Ask him. I'd be interested to see what the Holocaust denying racist swine has to say.


You need to get some therepy.

Your bigoted rants of a man you have never met are deluded and paranoid In the extreme. You post the same old, 30 year old quotes and heavilly edited you tube clips In an attempt to hammer your point home but It Is monotonous, repetitive and tiring. You offer no debate to threads, dodge reasonable questions put to you and In your delusion, believe you are doing all of us a favour by pointing out what a nasty man Nick Griffin Is.... grow up !!!

I'd have more respect for you If you had ever met Nick, debated with him as I have or at least heard one of his speeches. Those In the real world, not the edited crap from 30 years ago on you tube.

Now back to topic....

Why don't you answer my questions Clod ?

Would the mother have accused the police, the authorities, the Government and every single white person of racism If the gang who killed her son were black ?

Why was the same amount of time, money and resources not Invested In tracking down and bringing to Justice every one of the 20 strong black gang who chased Ben Kinsalla through the streets until he was cornered and stabbed to death ?



Where In the link I posted from the BNP on their view of the Lawrence case does It state that any BNP member thinks the case should have been dropped because the victem was black ?

Why did his mother only take on black legals?

I have given my personal view... The case should have been dropped after two NOT guilty verdicts In a trial by Jury and subsequent enquirey.

You are deluded Clod.... If you think It's the BNP, EDL, NF, BF, ED or Combat 18 that stirs up racial hatred In this country then you keep believing that. The truth Is, none of them have to lift a finger when we have a Government and authorities who Ignore two not guilty verdicts just to appease a woman consumed with hatred of anything white In this country because god forbid she may accuse them of being racist.

If you accuse the police, the authorities and the government of being racist long and hard enough, eventually, they have to shut you up even at the cost that two Innocent men may be behind bars.

As I said prior... If we are going to persue racist killers to the bitter end, then let's be fair and spend 18 years Ignoring two not guilty verdicts In other cases laid to rest years ago.

All this case has done Is stir up racial unrest, resentment and bitterness In this country simply because the resources put Into convicting someone, anyone, In this case after they have been found not guilty twice Is unjust and unfair when illers of white teenagers go unprosecuted.

[Bruv]

A search reveals frightening statistics for the same year Ben Kinsella died. Linky

Why are some cases high profile and others not ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380530 wrote: A search reveals frightening statistics for the same year Ben Kinsella died. Linky

Why are some cases high profile and others not ? In my opinion It's the nature of reporting. When all the tabloids jump on a particually sensitive Issue such as 'Broken Britain', they will target such stories....It sells newspapers... When It's no longer topical, you don't see so many reported In the nationals but they still happen daily.

This case was one that upset me at the time.

Schoolboy left brain damaged in savage 'Quentin Tarantino-style' hammer attack loses £1million fight for compensation | Mail Online

When he was being attacked up to 30 Asian youths cheered them on baying for blood. So why have we not seen the same amount of resources put Into convicting everyone of those boys ?

Double standards.

[Oscar Namechange]

This Is the case the BNP refer to as Double standards:

Police 'hid' abuse of 60 girls by Asian takeaway workers linked to Charlene Downes murder | Mail Online

So Clodhopper.......... where's her Justice ? Where Is the 18 year old relentless bid to bring her killer to Justice?

Or Isn't she Important enough ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Clod.... I noticed you came on line for about an hour late last night and posted on a couple of threads yet seemed to cop a swerve at my questions to you.

You have done this before on other threads where you make ludicrous allegations and then cop out when It gets too tricky for you.

Have you heard of the term 'Bait racism' Clod.... It's a fairly new concept but one that Is being accepted more and more by our police and courts.

Bait Racism Is where the race card Is played to gain an advantage when no racism exists or has taken place. Here's one example:

Breitbart, ColorOfChange and HuffPo: Racism Is Not the Issue

Nationalist Parties can put their feet up..... Doreen Lawrence and Dianne Abbot have done more to cause racial tension In this country than anything that has ever come out of Nick Griffin's mouth.

[Bruv]

oscar;1380561 wrote:

Have you heard of the term 'Bait racism' Clod.... It's a fairly new concept but one that Is being accepted more and more by our police and courts.

Bait Racism Is where the race card Is played to gain an advantage when no racism exists or has taken place. Here's one example:

Breitbart, ColorOfChange and HuffPo: Racism Is Not the Issue




The definition of 'Bait racism' is the opposite to what you claim in my understanding from the linked article.

'Bait racism' is used by whites to highlight the use of the 'race card' by blacks.

From your link

".......... use deceptive tactics to gin up race-based fears, protect racists, and demonize black political leaders and institutions." Race-baiting is what Glenn Beck did when claimed that Barack Obama has "a deep-seated hatred of white people, or the white culture."
So old Nick is truly a master baiter........

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380590 wrote: The definition of 'Bait racism' is the opposite to what you claim in my understanding from the linked article.

'Bait racism' is used by whites to highlight the use of the 'race card' by blacks.

From your link

So old Nick is truly a master baiter........ Yes, I gave a conflicting link there....apologies... I think you understand the concept I meant though.

I do know that the police and courts are looking at bait racism more seriously these days because It's equally as offensive to accuse someone of being a racist just to squirm out of something as It Is to be racist.

Example.... In my Turkish friends extended family, one was arrested by UK Border Force for overstaying his visa by 3 years. Prior to his arrest his family couldn't praise our police enough. As soon as he was arrested, they accused the police of picking on him because they were racist.

I for one am thrilled that bait racism Is being taken seriously these days for reasons such as that. Maybe some will think twice before they play the race card.

[Bruv]

It is basically what I said in the other thread.....

'Playing the black card' is still a useful and powerful lever and is used by many, and the fear of being accused of being racist is like a double bluff, you lose by default either way.

Racism is still alive and well, or at least it's affects.


It is how the world is, every section/division thinks they have to fight their corner and the other side has an unfair advantage, the main problem being NO ONE can step outside of the problem and see things from the other point of view.

So everybody is either racist or bending to racism or using racism..........there may be no answer.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380596 wrote: It is basically what I said in the other thread.....



It is how the world is, every section/division thinks they have to fight their corner and the other side has an unfair advantage, the main problem being NO ONE can step outside of the problem and see things from the other point of view.

So everybody is either racist or bending to racism or using racism..........there may be no answer. Good points...

So let's take what Clodhopper posted to Andy.....

Quote

Yes you are. You support the BNP. At best you are misguided; at worst you are a racist inciter of hatred and a disgrace to the nation of whom I am ashamed.

MY understanding is that the only reason the case was still going was the determination of the lad's mother. What has that to do with the colour of her skin?

And yes, I do think the BNP has some responsibility for the killing by the way they approve of and support the murderers' disgusting racist beliefs. The BNP are evil."

So what Clod Is actually saying, Is because Andy dares to question why a case was re-opened after 18 years and two not guilty verdicts on the accused, he Is a racist. That Is libel and bait racism.

That In a nutshell Is the problem In this country. The one's who are constantly seeking an agenda and looking for racism at every turn when a situation doesn't suit them.

If we didn't have the likes of Doreen Lawrence and Dianne Abbot looking for racism at every turn, this country of all Nationalities would just get on with life.

[Bruv]

Andy said.....what if the situation was reversed and a black man killed a white teenager would the case be reopened after 19 years ... NO


I personally hope so, anyone who thinks differently could be construed as a racist.

If not a racist then a race baiter, otherwise why use the teenagers race as any sort of reason for the denial of justice ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1380614 wrote: Andy said.....

I personally hope so, anyone who thinks differently could be construed as a racist.

If not a racist then a race baiter, otherwise why use the teenagers race as any sort of reason for the denial of justice ? I have argued all through this thread and presented cases where I am of the firm belief that the same persuit of Justice has not been shown In cases such as Ben Kinsalla's as shown In the Lawrence case.

I have asked the question..... ' Up to 20 Black youths chased Ben Kinsalla through the streets of London until he was cornered and stabbed to death. The one who put the knife In him was convicted, now, case closed. So, can someone answer my question please ? Why hasn't the same amount of time, money and resources gone Into tracking down the other 19 who chased him to his death ?

I believe what Andy was saying was the same as I have just said, however, to quote Eric Morecombe...... ' They are all the right words but not necessarily In the right order.'

[Bruv]

oscar;1380621 wrote: The one who put the knife In him was convicted, now, case closed.



So, can someone answer my question please ? Why hasn't the same amount of time, money and resources gone Into tracking down the other 19 who chased him to his death ?




Maybe because it was a different case, handled differently with a far easier outcome ?

The three young men who killed 16-year-old Ben Kinsella were today given life sentences at the Old Bailey in London.

[Clodhopper]

Do something else for a day or two and oscar really misses me! I was indeed on for an hour or so late the other night, and Oh! Terribly sorry, didn't spend the necessary time dealing with all the propaganda and stupidity posted.

For example:

So what Clod Is actually saying, Is because Andy dares to question why a case was re-opened after 18 years and two not guilty verdicts on the accused, he Is a racist. That Is libel and bait racism.


Ah, the well known BNP/oscar tactic of twisting what someone says into something you find easier to attack.

What I said was:

Yes you are. You support the BNP. At best you are misguided; at worst you are a racist inciter of hatred and a disgrace to the nation of whom I am ashamed.



MY understanding is that the only reason the case was still going was the determination of the lad's mother. What has that to do with the colour of her skin?



And yes, I do think the BNP has some responsibility for the killing by the way they approve of and support the murderers' disgusting racist beliefs. The BNP are evil.


That is what I ACTUALLY said. And it means what it says: If you support the BNP, which is a racist organisation, you ARE a racist. Your actions define you.

You use the well known tactic of piling up loads of twisted and distorted "points" - far more than any one person could answer in a reasonable time - and then moan that all the drivel you post has not been refuted in detail. At best, ingenuous.

Any of the many points I do answer are either distorted or ignored. It's been 14 hours since Bruv posted his last points, which you have not yet answered - If I am in trouble for not replying to you within a few hours, what about you not replying to Bruv's points?

If you are going to claim you were busy with other things, I'd just like to point out that so was I.

And I'm back now.

I have asked the question..... ' Up to 20 Black youths chased Ben Kinsalla through the streets of London until he was cornered and stabbed to death. The one who put the knife In him was convicted, now, case closed. So, can someone answer my question please ? Why hasn't the same amount of time, money and resources gone Into tracking down the other 19 who chased him to his death ?


I think it is because they got the killers, and police felt their resources were better spent tracking down other killers. It is often (not always) very hard to prove anything relating to accessories, and judgements have to be made as to the allocation of resources.

Moving along:

Have you heard of the term 'Bait racism' Clod.... It's a fairly new concept but one that Is being accepted more and more by our police and courts.



Bait Racism Is where the race card Is played to gain an advantage when no racism exists or has taken place. Here's one example:



Breitbart, ColorOfChange and HuffPo: Racism Is Not the Issue




Yes I have. Bruv dealt more than adequately with your twisted fact:

The definition of 'Bait racism' is the opposite to what you claim in my understanding from the linked article.




Bait racism is what you are doing: claiming racism for your own purposes when none has taken place. Ironic (is that the right word? If not I'll allow others to choose words they feel are more accurate) that you are doing exactly that which you accuse others of and complain about.

Right. I have a few things to do in real life. I'll get back to your several other threads later.

[Oscar Namechange]

Clod.... How on earth would you know what a BNP tactic Is ?

We have been here before haven't we ?

You don't know anyone In the BNP, you have never been to a BNP rally, conference or even local branch meeting to hear any speeches or talks. You have never been In the BNP and even If you had, trust me, as an ordinary member, you would not be privy to 'tactics' until you actually worked for Nick.

You have never met Nick or any other key figure, yet you claim this Insight Into something you know nothing of.

Your Insight Is based on viewing 30 year old heavilly edited you tube clips because you believe that If you keep watching and posting them here, some how, that will make It all true.

If anyone Is guilty of Propaganda, It Is you because you make ludicrous accusations that you have never been able to substantiate about an Organisation you know Jack Shyte about.

It's almost like an obsession with you and you seem to have some paranoia.

Answer me this Clod...... So the BNP are evil and all members are racist and violent are they?

25 Labour Councillors had been convicted for kiddie fiddling. The number Is now up to 34. Hmmmmmmm we don't see that on the news do we? Wonder why ?

So Clod.... by your reckoning, If 34 Labour Councillors have been convicted of being kiddie Fiddlers, that makes every person In the country In the country who belongs to the Labour party a peadohile does It.?

There Is a long list of Tory's Involved In child abuse .... every Tory member Is a peadohile then ??

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Donors to the Lib Dem's convicted of fraud and Lib Dems committing fraud In expenses scandals..... So .... All Lib Dems are filthy fraudulant theives and crooks are they Clod ?

When you get your own Party In order, you may be In a position to critise others.... One thing Is sure..... Your party Is a disgrace, Clegg a laughing stock and I can't wait for the 2013 General election because your party is finished.

The only way any Lib Dem can now save face Is by using diversion tactics and attack other parties.

[Clodhopper]

The Cook report 1997:



He denies that millions of jews died in gas chambers and says he'd send all non whites "home".

And the video below explains the way Griffin is fooling the more gullible among the English public:



And I think that these are the new tactics he's using, because he says he's going to use them and the evidence is that these ARE the new tactics he's using.

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Predictable.

Sigh

Yawn

Next ?

[Clodhopper]

giggle. I prefer this response to your attempts at argument.

I particularly liked the bit where Nazi Nick tells his pet Texans that saying they will just send everyone who is not white "home" alienates people, so in future they will talk about national identity and democracy, which nobody can object to, but when they have power, and control the media, THEN maybe, just maybe, the British public will think differently.

[Bruv]

The failure of the original hunt for the killers of Stephen Lawrence will come under fresh scrutiny today following the emergence of secret Scotland Yard files which reveal police concerns about one of the officers involved in the inquiry.

The police intelligence reports, obtained by The Independent, outline extensive allegations of corruption against John Davidson, a lead detective investigating the racist murder...........

..........Davidson is alleged to have admitted that officers had a corrupt relationship with Clifford Norris, the gangster father of murderer David Norris. A police supergrass recently gave evidence under oath at the Old Bailey that Davidson had told him bent cops "looked after old man Norris".

If it doesn't 'smell' right it probably is not right.

Should we all be grateful for the perseverance of Doreen Lawrence ?