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Nobody pretended she was clever.
What they accused her of is staging the disappearance for the press reward that would be offered. The prosecution's not quite explained why, when a £50,000 reward was offered, they didn't end it and claim the money. It seems to be a major flaw in the argument.
What they accused her of is staging the disappearance for the press reward that would be offered. The prosecution's not quite explained why, when a £50,000 reward was offered, they didn't end it and claim the money. It seems to be a major flaw in the argument.
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spot;1056959 wrote: Nobody pretended she was clever.
What they accused her of is staging the disappearance for the press reward that would be offered. The prosecution's not quite explained why, when a £50,000 reward was offered, they didn't end it and claim the money. It seems to be a major flaw in the argument.
As you said earlier.. this smacks of inept Plod and their desperation to nail her for something. They threw her in prison and now have to prove their case.
Very similar to a suspect refusing a caution.. then Plod has to thrash about finding what ever ridiculous proof they can get.
In this case, it sounds as if Plod had very little proof what so ever. Why indeed, did she or no other family member request the reward money?
If she staged the dissapearence, how would she know for sure that there would even be a reward or that the case would become high profile? She had no gauruntee of either.
I will be very interested in the case for the Defence!
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What they accused her of is staging the disappearance for the press reward that would be offered. The prosecution's not quite explained why, when a £50,000 reward was offered, they didn't end it and claim the money. It seems to be a major flaw in the argument.
As you said earlier.. this smacks of inept Plod and their desperation to nail her for something. They threw her in prison and now have to prove their case.
Very similar to a suspect refusing a caution.. then Plod has to thrash about finding what ever ridiculous proof they can get.
In this case, it sounds as if Plod had very little proof what so ever. Why indeed, did she or no other family member request the reward money?
If she staged the dissapearence, how would she know for sure that there would even be a reward or that the case would become high profile? She had no gauruntee of either.
I will be very interested in the case for the Defence!
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I'm not sure weather this helps her or hinders her?
Hear 'fake' 999 call made by Karen Matthews to report daughter Shannon missing - mirror.co.uk
I'm not sure how the prosecution could use this against her??
Hear 'fake' 999 call made by Karen Matthews to report daughter Shannon missing - mirror.co.uk
I'm not sure how the prosecution could use this against her??
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The trial's halted after prison officers failed to ensure the safety of Michael Donovan. Prison offers are like that, egged on by demented people of Andy's sort who want extra-judicial vigilante punishment meting out in prison where it's impossible to avoid. The judge rather feebly said that "It's sometimes what happens in prison, regrettably."
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Prison attack halts Shannon trial
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Prison attack halts Shannon trial
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oscar;1024938 wrote: In mho, Shannon Matthews mother is not the brightest lightbulb in the pack is she??
Maybe, there's a possibility, that this unfortunate woman loved her daughter so much that she didn't want the gestapo social services, and let's be honest, who have cocked up on a major scale before, taking Shannon away simply because the S.S.'s think she's too unintelligent to care for her.
Maybe, in her un-intelligent world, she did not have the money for fancy lawyers to fight them nor the brains to aquire enough knowledge about the system to force them into court proceedings to prove any allegations of neglect that they had put forward.
Maybe in her small way, the only idea's they could come up with was to fake a dissapearence in the hope that everyone would leave them alone for-ever.
It's very well to scoff at what i have just said if you are learned enough to read and understand the labour Party Manifesto. Sadly, in this country, 50% approx of our population can not barely read or write. These people are taken for mugs by the system because they may not have any help dealing with the authoritie's that you or i would deal with in an instance.
If my propositions turn out to be true, then shame on the police for not using discretion and some common sense again.
It sounds a little like they have jumped in on this case, made the arrests and the accusations without actually having any bloody evidence as per usual.
The police are then left shamed face because the case has gone high profile in the national press and rather than lose face, they scrape whatever they can together to nail them for some-thing.
Amen
I stand by my own post that i made weeks ago.
Maybe, there's a possibility, that this unfortunate woman loved her daughter so much that she didn't want the gestapo social services, and let's be honest, who have cocked up on a major scale before, taking Shannon away simply because the S.S.'s think she's too unintelligent to care for her.
Maybe, in her un-intelligent world, she did not have the money for fancy lawyers to fight them nor the brains to aquire enough knowledge about the system to force them into court proceedings to prove any allegations of neglect that they had put forward.
Maybe in her small way, the only idea's they could come up with was to fake a dissapearence in the hope that everyone would leave them alone for-ever.
It's very well to scoff at what i have just said if you are learned enough to read and understand the labour Party Manifesto. Sadly, in this country, 50% approx of our population can not barely read or write. These people are taken for mugs by the system because they may not have any help dealing with the authoritie's that you or i would deal with in an instance.
If my propositions turn out to be true, then shame on the police for not using discretion and some common sense again.
It sounds a little like they have jumped in on this case, made the arrests and the accusations without actually having any bloody evidence as per usual.
The police are then left shamed face because the case has gone high profile in the national press and rather than lose face, they scrape whatever they can together to nail them for some-thing.
Amen
I stand by my own post that i made weeks ago.
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If the country and the court and the jurors can avoid scapegoating we might even get to apologize to the pair of them.
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spot;1060542 wrote: The trial's halted after prison officers failed to ensure the safety of Michael Donovan. Prison offers are like that, egged on by demented people of Andy's sort who want extra-judicial vigilante punishment meting out in prison where it's impossible to avoid. The judge rather feebly said that "It's sometimes what happens in prison, regrettably."
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Prison attack halts Shannon trial
I can't find the link but 'The Sun' did have a small piece a few days ago stating that Shannon Matthews mother nor anyone associated with her, had applied for a reward. The Sun added that they had neither discussed a reward with her. The defence would have been very interesting.
I said it on another post about baby P, I have a school chum who has been a prison warden for 25 yrs. I have never doubted anything he has ever told me and part of that, is that prison wardens do deliberately or accidentaly turn their back for 5 minutes while the 'Peado' as our poster labelled him, are with other inmates. It has also been 'suggested' that some wardens could even swop luxerys to other inmates to do the dirty deed.
Given our police Force, i am in no doubt as to what he says, being true.
Is this not, going to be just awfull when it turns out that they were 'fitted up'. If they are innocent, i hope they take the police for every penny that they have got. I can't say that her mother would win any 'mother of the year' awards but this smacks of a fit up.
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Prison attack halts Shannon trial
I can't find the link but 'The Sun' did have a small piece a few days ago stating that Shannon Matthews mother nor anyone associated with her, had applied for a reward. The Sun added that they had neither discussed a reward with her. The defence would have been very interesting.
I said it on another post about baby P, I have a school chum who has been a prison warden for 25 yrs. I have never doubted anything he has ever told me and part of that, is that prison wardens do deliberately or accidentaly turn their back for 5 minutes while the 'Peado' as our poster labelled him, are with other inmates. It has also been 'suggested' that some wardens could even swop luxerys to other inmates to do the dirty deed.
Given our police Force, i am in no doubt as to what he says, being true.
Is this not, going to be just awfull when it turns out that they were 'fitted up'. If they are innocent, i hope they take the police for every penny that they have got. I can't say that her mother would win any 'mother of the year' awards but this smacks of a fit up.
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They can scarcely be innocent, they wasted a whole stack of police time. The question is whether, in their very dim-witted way, they were acting out of good motives or not. I'd hope that if the jury decides they were they'll have the wit to acquit them both. There are worse crimes than wasting police time. Far less of it would have been wasted if the officers in charge had half a brain between them.
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spot;1060798 wrote: They can scarcely be innocent, they wasted a whole stack of police time. The question is whether, in their very dim-witted way, they were acting out of good motives or not. I'd hope that if the jury decides they were they'll have the wit to acquit them both. There are worse crimes than wasting police time. Far less of it would have been wasted if the officers in charge had half a brain between them.
It's very hard to imagine until you have had some personal experience but the press are very good at getting their 'money shot'. I am in no doubt that she would have been sucked in to posing in the tee-shirts etc. Some-times that kind of picture has the opposite effect and the public think you are milking the attention. Most have more brains than her and can see through them very quickly but i doubt she did. The press attention would no doubt be harming her now.
Do you think that if they are aquited, Plod will go for charges of wasting police time to save face?
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It's very hard to imagine until you have had some personal experience but the press are very good at getting their 'money shot'. I am in no doubt that she would have been sucked in to posing in the tee-shirts etc. Some-times that kind of picture has the opposite effect and the public think you are milking the attention. Most have more brains than her and can see through them very quickly but i doubt she did. The press attention would no doubt be harming her now.
Do you think that if they are aquited, Plod will go for charges of wasting police time to save face?
Where is our Truthbringer????
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spot;1060798 wrote: They can scarcely be innocent, they wasted a whole stack of police time. The question is whether, in their very dim-witted way, they were acting out of good motives or not. I'd hope that if the jury decides they were they'll have the wit to acquit them both. There are worse crimes than wasting police time. Far less of it would have been wasted if the officers in charge had half a brain between them.
More from the trial today
Police officer describes moment he found 'frightened and crying' Shannon Matthews 'hidden in bed drawer' | Mail Online
More from the trial today
Police officer describes moment he found 'frightened and crying' Shannon Matthews 'hidden in bed drawer' | Mail Online
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Both of them have been convicted on all counts of kidnap and whatever else was thrown at them. That's what comes of one of them lying, whichever one it was. Or both. The police are skilled at interviewing people, people aren't skilled at being interviewed, there's an imbalance there.
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Mother guilty over Shannon kidnap
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Mother guilty over Shannon kidnap
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spot;1077300 wrote: Both of them have been convicted on all counts of kidnap and whatever else was thrown at them. That's what comes of one of them lying, whichever one it was. Or both. The police are skilled at interviewing people, people aren't skilled at being interviewed, there's an imbalance there.
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Mother guilty over Shannon kidnap
I totally agree.
The Sun newspaper made a statement some weeks ago that no reward was ever discussed with the pair.
I do not and will never believe that her mother had enough brain cells to manipulate police, neighbours, the country and the press to that degree. As the defence said, 'She would have to be on par with 'Max Clifford' to pull it off'.
Another case of gung ho cops. Arrest first... find the charges and proof later.
They found a packet of tamazam in the flat. That was enough for the police to insist she had drugged Shannon for two years.
I look forward to an appeal.
BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Mother guilty over Shannon kidnap
I totally agree.
The Sun newspaper made a statement some weeks ago that no reward was ever discussed with the pair.
I do not and will never believe that her mother had enough brain cells to manipulate police, neighbours, the country and the press to that degree. As the defence said, 'She would have to be on par with 'Max Clifford' to pull it off'.
Another case of gung ho cops. Arrest first... find the charges and proof later.
They found a packet of tamazam in the flat. That was enough for the police to insist she had drugged Shannon for two years.
I look forward to an appeal.
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There's a programme on now about it all... BBC1
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Betty Boop;1077402 wrote: There's a programme on now about it all... BBC1
I have it on too Betty
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Chezzie;1077403 wrote: I have it on too Betty Me too Chezza wezza and Boopy Doo 
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oscar;1077405 wrote: Me too Chezza wezza and Boopy Doo
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What on earth were social services up to!!
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What on earth were social services up to!!
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Well in my mind she is guilty. She says she arranged with Micheal for him to have Shannon for a bit so she could leave Craig. Even if that's true, the bitch decided to leave her daughter there for a further 24 days drugged up too.
The forensics on her hair showed she was being drugged for the last 20 months. Especially at Christmas and the summer hols....
She could of stopped this and she didn't she lied and cheated and failed her daughter. She failed all her children and her family and friends.
The forensics on her hair showed she was being drugged for the last 20 months. Especially at Christmas and the summer hols....
She could of stopped this and she didn't she lied and cheated and failed her daughter. She failed all her children and her family and friends.
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Chezzie;1077416 wrote: Well in my mind she is guilty. She says she arranged with Micheal for him to have Shannon for a bit so she could leave Craig. Even if that's true, the bitch decided to leave her daughter there for a further 24 days drugged up too.
The forensics on her hair showed she was being drugged for the last 20 months. Especially at Christmas and the summer hols....
She could of stopped this and she didn't she lied and cheated and failed her daughter. She failed all her children and her family and friends.
Hmmm I'm not sure, considering social services deemed her unable to put the needs of her children above her own, she should have been getting more help. Or even better the children should have been removed years ago. She strikes me as being mentally challenged.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
The forensics on her hair showed she was being drugged for the last 20 months. Especially at Christmas and the summer hols....
She could of stopped this and she didn't she lied and cheated and failed her daughter. She failed all her children and her family and friends.
Hmmm I'm not sure, considering social services deemed her unable to put the needs of her children above her own, she should have been getting more help. Or even better the children should have been removed years ago. She strikes me as being mentally challenged.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
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Betty Boop;1077421 wrote: Hmmm I'm not sure, considering social services deemed her unable to put the needs of her children above her own, she should have been getting more help. Or even better the children should have been removed years ago. She strikes me as being mentally challenged.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
She has to take some blame. It was her that asked him to take Shannon. It was her that kept the pretence up for 24 days. It was her that decided to neglect all 7 children. SHE has to be made accountable for her actions. She wasn't so mentally challenged when she concocted up her story and deceived all her friends and family, the media and all of Great Britain. Even if it was more his idea, she could of still stopped it but she chose not too..I'm not fooled into her little crying act of woe me. Guilty was the right verdict. I just hope those kids feel safe and loved now.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
She has to take some blame. It was her that asked him to take Shannon. It was her that kept the pretence up for 24 days. It was her that decided to neglect all 7 children. SHE has to be made accountable for her actions. She wasn't so mentally challenged when she concocted up her story and deceived all her friends and family, the media and all of Great Britain. Even if it was more his idea, she could of still stopped it but she chose not too..I'm not fooled into her little crying act of woe me. Guilty was the right verdict. I just hope those kids feel safe and loved now.
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Betty Boop;1077421 wrote: Hmmm I'm not sure, considering social services deemed her unable to put the needs of her children above her own, she should have been getting more help. Or even better the children should have been removed years ago. She strikes me as being mentally challenged.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
I agree with you. Yes, after watching the documentary, she has to take some of the blame. I just can't believe she had enough brain cells to concoct the whole thing and manipulate the press.
I don't remember any actual proof that it was her that administered the tamazapam. It could have been the lover.
No one can know for sure who drugged the child, it could have been Karen under direction of her 'lover'. Karen herself could have decided to do it, simply because it made the children easier to handle, or kept them quiet and kept an abusive man on an even keel.
I agree with you. Yes, after watching the documentary, she has to take some of the blame. I just can't believe she had enough brain cells to concoct the whole thing and manipulate the press.
I don't remember any actual proof that it was her that administered the tamazapam. It could have been the lover.
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Chezzie;1077437 wrote: She has to take some blame. It was her that asked him to take Shannon. It was her that kept the pretence up for 24 days. It was her that decided to neglect all 7 children. SHE has to be made accountable for her actions. She wasn't so mentally challenged when she concocted up her story and deceived all her friends and family, the media and all of Great Britain. Even if it was more his idea, she could of still stopped it but she chose not too..I'm not fooled into her little crying act of woe me. Guilty was the right verdict. I just hope those kids feel safe and loved now.
Yes, she needs to take some blame. I do believe that there are some people that are unable to see the consequences of their actions though. I think she got caught up in something and didn't know how to stop it.
It's interesting that social services kept walking away from that family, what Karen could have done with was a straight talking social worker that would have told her she was neglecting her children. She needed parenting lessons, then if she failed to change her ways, take the children away. Social workers have their hands tied behind their backs nowadays, there is too much softly softly don't offend the client etc etc.
I feel there is a whole generation of parents that weren't parented themselves, I see them here, add in people with learning difficulties that are unable to socialise properly and you have a recipe for child neglect, they know no better.
Yes, she needs to take some blame. I do believe that there are some people that are unable to see the consequences of their actions though. I think she got caught up in something and didn't know how to stop it.
It's interesting that social services kept walking away from that family, what Karen could have done with was a straight talking social worker that would have told her she was neglecting her children. She needed parenting lessons, then if she failed to change her ways, take the children away. Social workers have their hands tied behind their backs nowadays, there is too much softly softly don't offend the client etc etc.
I feel there is a whole generation of parents that weren't parented themselves, I see them here, add in people with learning difficulties that are unable to socialise properly and you have a recipe for child neglect, they know no better.
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She obviously asked for the guy to take the child and she obviously knew where, what was left to decide was why. She ended up lying which guaranteed her conviction and his too. I put that down to police interview techniques, not to events. Divide them, get them to contradict each other by claiming blame's been passed, who can resist that sort of pressure? The idea that it was a financial scam seems ludicrous because it's impossible to pull off, the child would blow every possible story out of the water as soon as she was questioned. It's a senseless motive. Keeping the girl safe sounds far more likely but that's a defensible motive in court. The police have far more motive to blacken them than to present the truth.
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spot;1077451 wrote: She obviously asked for the guy to take the child and she obviously knew where, what was left to decide was why. She ended up lying which guaranteed her conviction and his too. I put that down to police interview techniques, not to events. Divide them, get them to contradict each other by claiming blame's been passed, who can resist that sort of pressure? The idea that it was a financial scam seems ludicrous because it's impossible to pull off, the child would blow every possible story out of the water as soon as she was questioned. It's a senseless motive. Keeping the girl safe sounds far more likely but that's a defensible motive in court. The police have far more motive to blacken them than to present the truth.
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its joy, cake, and cigars for the west yorkshire police this week as abducted 9 year old shannon matthews was found alive safe and well.
its always good news to know that an abutcted child is found safe as so many of these cases end in tragedy like little jamie bulger who would have been 18 this week.
lets hope that the vile paedophile pervert who abucted shannon is jailed for life and spends the rest of his days rotting in wakefield maxium security prison with the added bonus of a good hiding or two from fellow cons and staff.AA grumpy:D:D
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its joy, cake, and cigars for the west yorkshire police this week as abducted 9 year old shannon matthews was found alive safe and well.
its always good news to know that an abutcted child is found safe as so many of these cases end in tragedy like little jamie bulger who would have been 18 this week.
lets hope that the vile paedophile pervert who abucted shannon is jailed for life and spends the rest of his days rotting in wakefield maxium security prison with the added bonus of a good hiding or two from fellow cons and staff.AA grumpy:D:D
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I don't see any vile Paedophile!!!
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spot;1077451 wrote: She obviously asked for the guy to take the child and she obviously knew where, what was left to decide was why. She ended up lying which guaranteed her conviction and his too. I put that down to police interview techniques, not to events. Divide them, get them to contradict each other by claiming blame's been passed, who can resist that sort of pressure? The idea that it was a financial scam seems ludicrous because it's impossible to pull off, the child would blow every possible story out of the water as soon as she was questioned. It's a senseless motive. Keeping the girl safe sounds far more likely but that's a defensible motive in court. The police have far more motive to blacken them than to present the truth.
Always the blame being misplaced. Karen Matthews is a liar and it wasn't the police who kidnapped her or neglected her. She has done wrong and has to pay the price. Yes Social Services should of done more BUT if Karen Matthews wasn't such a selfish self absorbed liar, they wouldn't of needed to as she would of been looking after her kids properly with all those benefits she was reaping in, due to having 7 children with 5 different fathers!
Everyone who knows her well, have all stated that they had started getting suspicious of her lies.
Always the blame being misplaced. Karen Matthews is a liar and it wasn't the police who kidnapped her or neglected her. She has done wrong and has to pay the price. Yes Social Services should of done more BUT if Karen Matthews wasn't such a selfish self absorbed liar, they wouldn't of needed to as she would of been looking after her kids properly with all those benefits she was reaping in, due to having 7 children with 5 different fathers!
Everyone who knows her well, have all stated that they had started getting suspicious of her lies.
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Chezzie;1077464 wrote: Always the blame being misplaced. Karen Matthews is a liar and it wasn't the police who kidnapped her or neglected her.It was the police who couldn't tell their arse from their elbow for three whole weeks though. That's the red-faced Keystone Kops blundering which escalated the farce to international proportions.
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I've just heard on the news that social services have come back with a statement saying that Shannon was put on 'The at Risk Register' in 2002 with the report that Karen matthews' needed constant supervision throughout her children's live's. Shannon was removed from the register in 2004
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spot;1077471 wrote: It was the police who couldn't tell their arse from their elbow for three whole weeks though. That's the red-faced Keystone Kops blundering which escalated the farce to international proportions.
At least they got her and she was safe and well Spot. Most families that have had a child kidnapped are not so lucky eh!
I doubt they wanted it to drag out for 24 days. I'm happy with the final outcome.
At least they got her and she was safe and well Spot. Most families that have had a child kidnapped are not so lucky eh!
I doubt they wanted it to drag out for 24 days. I'm happy with the final outcome.
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oscar;1077474 wrote: I've just heard on the news that social services have come back with a statement saying that Shannon was put on 'The at Risk Register' in 2002 with the report that Karen matthews' needed constant supervision throughout her children's live's. Shannon was removed from the register in 2004
Yes, they stated something like that on the programme as well, thats why I questioned what were social services playing at.
Yes, they stated something like that on the programme as well, thats why I questioned what were social services playing at.
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Betty Boop;1077480 wrote: Yes, they stated something like that on the programme as well, thats why I questioned what were social services playing at.
If social services reported in 2002 that Karen Matthew's needed constant supervision for the rest of her children's life, that tells me, she was not of the intelligence to manipulate this whole circus.
I am more in agreement with Spot.
She no doubt wanted to leave the partner and set up home with her lover. She then asked him to take care of Shannon until she left to join him.
Enter plod and keystone cops. Arrested her before any evidence and come up with charges later. As Spot said, the police are well trained to 'divide' in interview. it's a well know technique.
The rest of her fate was sealed by the police who had to secure a conviction to satisfy the media circus.
If social services reported in 2002 that Karen Matthew's needed constant supervision for the rest of her children's life, that tells me, she was not of the intelligence to manipulate this whole circus.
I am more in agreement with Spot.
She no doubt wanted to leave the partner and set up home with her lover. She then asked him to take care of Shannon until she left to join him.
Enter plod and keystone cops. Arrested her before any evidence and come up with charges later. As Spot said, the police are well trained to 'divide' in interview. it's a well know technique.
The rest of her fate was sealed by the police who had to secure a conviction to satisfy the media circus.
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oscar;1077496 wrote: If social services reported in 2002 that Karen Matthew's needed constant supervision for the rest of her children's life, that tells me, she was not of the intelligence to manipulate this whole circus.
I am more in agreement with Spot.
She no doubt wanted to leave the partner and set up home with her lover. She then asked him to take care of Shannon until she left to join him.
Enter plod and keystone cops. Arrested her before any evidence and come up with charges later. As Spot said, the police are well trained to 'divide' in interview. it's a well know technique.
The rest of her fate was sealed by the police who had to secure a conviction to satisfy the media circus.
Yup, I agree too. They mentioned that Karen appeared to have 'borderline' learning difficulties, hmmmm whats that then, sounds like a cover up for something that should have been investigated further.
I am more in agreement with Spot.
She no doubt wanted to leave the partner and set up home with her lover. She then asked him to take care of Shannon until she left to join him.
Enter plod and keystone cops. Arrested her before any evidence and come up with charges later. As Spot said, the police are well trained to 'divide' in interview. it's a well know technique.
The rest of her fate was sealed by the police who had to secure a conviction to satisfy the media circus.
Yup, I agree too. They mentioned that Karen appeared to have 'borderline' learning difficulties, hmmmm whats that then, sounds like a cover up for something that should have been investigated further.
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Betty Boop;1077503 wrote: Yup, I agree too. They mentioned that Karen appeared to have 'borderline' learning difficulties, hmmmm whats that then, sounds like a cover up for something that should have been investigated further.
Exactly!!! The prosecution put forward the claim that she had manipulated the public, the media, the police, neighbours etc etc. No-one with 'borderline' learning difficultie's could create and control that whole circus.
I do think it was a plot to move in with the lover and take Shannon with her. She sent her on and asked him to keep her safe. That is not abduction, kidnap or perverting the course of justice. That's plain stupidity.
Her defence lawyer should be struck off. If a report of Karen's 'sub' intelligence was on file, he should have investigated that. It's very surprising what a defence lawyer can find if they bother to take out their own investigation and not go by the police. He could have used that report in court to show she was not intellectually capable of master-minding that kind of 'Bond Movie script'.
There should be an appeal with that report used as evidence for her.
What else is over-looked is that trained officers would have intensly interviewed the child at length. The non- apperence of Shannon in the witness stand or evidence by video link up, tells me that Shannon never said anything that incriminated her mother and boyfriend. If she had, they would have used her.
Exactly!!! The prosecution put forward the claim that she had manipulated the public, the media, the police, neighbours etc etc. No-one with 'borderline' learning difficultie's could create and control that whole circus.
I do think it was a plot to move in with the lover and take Shannon with her. She sent her on and asked him to keep her safe. That is not abduction, kidnap or perverting the course of justice. That's plain stupidity.
Her defence lawyer should be struck off. If a report of Karen's 'sub' intelligence was on file, he should have investigated that. It's very surprising what a defence lawyer can find if they bother to take out their own investigation and not go by the police. He could have used that report in court to show she was not intellectually capable of master-minding that kind of 'Bond Movie script'.
There should be an appeal with that report used as evidence for her.
What else is over-looked is that trained officers would have intensly interviewed the child at length. The non- apperence of Shannon in the witness stand or evidence by video link up, tells me that Shannon never said anything that incriminated her mother and boyfriend. If she had, they would have used her.
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oscar;1077508 wrote: Exactly!!! The prosecution put forward the claim that she had manipulated the public, the media, the police, neighbours etc etc. No-one with 'borderline' learning difficultie's could create and control that whole circus.
I do think it was a plot to move in with the lover and take Shannon with her. She sent her on and asked him to keep her safe. That is not abduction, kidnap or perverting the course of justice. That's plain stupidity.
Her defence lawyer should be struck off. If a report of Karen's 'sub' intelligence was on file, he should have investigated that. It's very surprising what a defence lawyer can find if they bother to take out their own investigation and not go by the police. He could have used that report in court to show she was not intellectually capable of master-minding that kind of 'Bond Movie script'.
There should be an appeal with that report used as evidence for her.
What else is over-looked is that trained officers would have intensly interviewed the child at length. The non- apperence of Shannon in the witness stand or evidence by video link up, tells me that Shannon never said anything that incriminated her mother and boyfriend. If she had, they would have used her.
Yes they would certainly have used it. Thats a good point, where is the evidence that Shannon would have provided.
I do think it was a plot to move in with the lover and take Shannon with her. She sent her on and asked him to keep her safe. That is not abduction, kidnap or perverting the course of justice. That's plain stupidity.
Her defence lawyer should be struck off. If a report of Karen's 'sub' intelligence was on file, he should have investigated that. It's very surprising what a defence lawyer can find if they bother to take out their own investigation and not go by the police. He could have used that report in court to show she was not intellectually capable of master-minding that kind of 'Bond Movie script'.
There should be an appeal with that report used as evidence for her.
What else is over-looked is that trained officers would have intensly interviewed the child at length. The non- apperence of Shannon in the witness stand or evidence by video link up, tells me that Shannon never said anything that incriminated her mother and boyfriend. If she had, they would have used her.
Yes they would certainly have used it. Thats a good point, where is the evidence that Shannon would have provided.
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Betty Boop;1077522 wrote: Yes they would certainly have used it. Thats a good point, where is the evidence that Shannon would have provided.
I've known cases in the past of children as young as 5 giving evidence in video link up to incriminate a child abuser. That side of the police is very good at exracting imformation from young children with highly skilled officers. Are they trying to say now that Shannon herself was never asked if she went voluntarilly or if they abducted her??
It's nonsence.
I've known cases in the past of children as young as 5 giving evidence in video link up to incriminate a child abuser. That side of the police is very good at exracting imformation from young children with highly skilled officers. Are they trying to say now that Shannon herself was never asked if she went voluntarilly or if they abducted her??
It's nonsence.
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oscar;1077463 wrote: Would you like to comment panto????
I don't see any vile Paedophile!!!
We are waiting pantoAndy :yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame
I don't see any vile Paedophile!!!
We are waiting pantoAndy :yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame:yh_shame
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hello
im back again lifting the lid on the lavatory of life and have another sad story to share.
today its the sad tale of shannon matthews and her brothers and sisters at the hands of britains vilest mother
karen matthews.
VILE Karen Matthews was branded the world’s worst mother yesterday — by her own family.
The fathers of her children also queued up to condemn her as a foul-mouthed drunken slob unfit to look after kids.
She cared so little about them she even FORGOT how many she had.
Kidnap victim Shannon was put on a child protection register in 2002. But in late 2004 she was taken OFF it by social workers who decided the family was “settling down”.
It left the nine-year-old at the mercy of her dreadful mother.
Twenty months before the abduction, Matthews began to dope Shannon with a cocktail of drugs including the sedative temazepam and travel sickness pills.
Police believe the drugs — revealed by tests on Shannon’s hair after she was found — were a “chemical cosh” to keep her quiet so Matthews did not have to give her any attention.
Staff at the girl’s school reported fears about her home life when she turned up caked in filth. But social services did not intervene.
The concerns over Shannon were raised with social services by the headmistress of West Moor Junior School in Dewsbury Moor, Krystyna Piatkowski.
When cops launched the hunt for Shannon they were stunned to find a note written on her bedroom wall saying she “missed” her real dad Leon Rose and wanted to live with him.
They also recovered a series of sad notes between her and her brother discussing in their bedroom whether they would be fed.
One said: “Do you think we’ll get tea tonight?”
Another said: “If we’re quiet we might get a bag of crisp. Don’t talk too loud or we’ll get a beating.”
Relatives and boyfriends of scrounging Matthews painted a disturbing picture of her squalid existence — in which Shannon and her six siblings were trapped. They told how the mum:
NEVER bothered to clean her house or cook proper meals.
LAZED around, played computer games, guzzled lager, scoffed pizza and chain-smoked up to 60 cigarettes a day.
TAPED a carrier bag to one of her baby’s bottoms instead of a nappy.
REFERRED to another child as “that thing”.
PROPPED up baby milk bottles with cushions so kids fed themselves while she watched TV.
MILKED the system for benefits, raking in £350 a week which she described as “my wage”.
HURLED pots and pans during violent rages, and
SNUBBED the funeral of a two-year-old nephew who had Down’s Syndrome.
Her sister Julie Poskitt, 37, said: “I’m sickened and disgusted. She is unfit to be the mother of any child.” Matthews’ distraught mother June, 65, said: “I feel ashamed she is my daughter.”
Her brother Martin stormed: “She’s a disgrace — I can’t believe she’s my own flesh and blood.”
Martin also told how Shannon often cried when she was at his house and sobbed: “I don’t want to go home — I hate living there.”
Matthews’ children were fathered by five different men over 11 years. Her boyfriends ranged from a 16-year-old schoolboy to a divorcee aged 63. During the hunt for Shannon, she went potty when a TV report said she’d had five HUSBANDS. She yelled: “That’s a ********** lie. I never married any of ’em.”
On another occasion as the search continued, Matthews and Shannon’s stepdad Craig Meehan, 22, were seen coming home from shops with 48 cans of lager to swill.
When the girl was found a local supermarket gave the pair crates of champagne to “celebrate”. Soon they called back to ask for more.
June told how her grandchildren broke down in tears at the end of visits. She said: “It was heartbreaking. It couldn’t have been more obvious they didn’t want to go back.”
She added: “At times their hair was dirty and their clothes were smelly. They needed a proper caring home and love and attention.”
Julie severed contact with Matthews, of Dewsbury Moor, West Yorks, after becoming appalled by her. She told how her sister would drop off one of her babies with a carrier bag taped to the tot’s bottom or a towel tied around it.
Mum-of-six Julie, a care assistant, said: “Instead of spending money on nappies she’d spend it on stuff like crisps, sweets and pop.
“She showed no love and it was heartbreaking. I contacted social services three times but nothing ever seemed to happen.”
Julie told how Matthews showed no compassion when her two-year-old Down’s Syndrome son Jonathan died — and simply stayed away from his funeral.
She had earlier snubbed the boy’s christening. Julie said: “Everyone else was there but not Karen. There was no excuse, no card, no flowers.
“It was typical of her that when Shannon first went missing, Karen told everyone she had SIX children.
“It took her days to remember she had SEVEN. How can you forget how many children you have?
“I am so disgusted with her and furious social services never seemed to react to my concerns.”
The sentiment was echoed by Matthews’ ex-neighbour Claire Wilson. She said she heard Shannon and other kids crying through the bedroom wall as Matthews threw all-night parties.
Claire, 32, said Shannon was often grimy, adding: “I once rolled the dirt off her feet. It was like glue. Imagine living with a neighbour from hell and then double it.”
Claire said she informed social services but was just told: “We’ll look into it.” She added: “I think they should be shot.”
The dad of Matthews’ first child, kitchen assistant John Bretton, called her a “babymaking machine”.
John, who met Matthews when he was 16 and she was 19, said: “She just goes from one bloke to the next, uses them to have a kid, grabs all the child benefit going and moves on. That’s all she wants.”
When their child was two weeks old, Matthews abandoned John and the mite during a row in the street.
John said: “She just turned her back and disappeared. I didn’t hear from her for two days.”
He said: “She had violent rages. I was hit by almost everything in the house.” Matthews’ next two kids, including Shannon, were fathered by Leon Rose, 29. He said: “It’s shocking what happened.” Father No3 Paul Hooker, 31, said the kidnap “made my blood run cold”.
Father No4 William Marshall, 36, told how Matthews spoke of their child as “that thing”. Father No5, Phil Newsome, has refused to talk about their relationship.
Matthews later had a three-month fling with three-times-divorced Eddie Clayton, 63. When they first had sex — on a sofa in her lounge — she told him not to bother taking his shoes off.
Eddie bought her a £36.99 engagement ring from Argos but dumped her when she cheated on him.
Matthews’ last lover Meehan — in hiding after being convicted of having kiddie porn on his computer — THOUGHT he had fathered a child. But she was pregnant when she met him.
Last night social services managers at the local Kirklees Council were facing questions about their apparent lack of action.
A source close to the Matthews family said: “After Shannon’s recovery it was claimed social services had been closely monitoring the family — and had been considering taking her into care.
“However although they had a massive dossier on the family, they failed to take any action.”
A police source said: “The irony is the kidnap has meant Shannon now has a proper life. But really it is no thanks to social services.”
The council said it would be “scrutinising carefully” its work.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 007148.ece ( just for abbey)
AAG
this could have been so nearly a tragedy with another life being lost as shannons kidnapper could so easily have murdered her.
fortunatley all are now in jail awaiting sentencing and the reception that comes with this type of vile crime
especially for karen matthews.
but once again social services failed to act on infomation given once again social services need to be held accountable for their actions.
once again children have been let down by social services.
HOW MANY MORE BEFORE THE SYSTEM IS TIGHTENED UP AND CHILDREN DONT FALL THROUGH THE SAFETY NET
this is 2008 not charles dickens 18th century.
AAG
im back again lifting the lid on the lavatory of life and have another sad story to share.
today its the sad tale of shannon matthews and her brothers and sisters at the hands of britains vilest mother
karen matthews.
VILE Karen Matthews was branded the world’s worst mother yesterday — by her own family.
The fathers of her children also queued up to condemn her as a foul-mouthed drunken slob unfit to look after kids.
She cared so little about them she even FORGOT how many she had.
Kidnap victim Shannon was put on a child protection register in 2002. But in late 2004 she was taken OFF it by social workers who decided the family was “settling down”.
It left the nine-year-old at the mercy of her dreadful mother.
Twenty months before the abduction, Matthews began to dope Shannon with a cocktail of drugs including the sedative temazepam and travel sickness pills.
Police believe the drugs — revealed by tests on Shannon’s hair after she was found — were a “chemical cosh” to keep her quiet so Matthews did not have to give her any attention.
Staff at the girl’s school reported fears about her home life when she turned up caked in filth. But social services did not intervene.
The concerns over Shannon were raised with social services by the headmistress of West Moor Junior School in Dewsbury Moor, Krystyna Piatkowski.
When cops launched the hunt for Shannon they were stunned to find a note written on her bedroom wall saying she “missed” her real dad Leon Rose and wanted to live with him.
They also recovered a series of sad notes between her and her brother discussing in their bedroom whether they would be fed.
One said: “Do you think we’ll get tea tonight?”
Another said: “If we’re quiet we might get a bag of crisp. Don’t talk too loud or we’ll get a beating.”
Relatives and boyfriends of scrounging Matthews painted a disturbing picture of her squalid existence — in which Shannon and her six siblings were trapped. They told how the mum:
NEVER bothered to clean her house or cook proper meals.
LAZED around, played computer games, guzzled lager, scoffed pizza and chain-smoked up to 60 cigarettes a day.
TAPED a carrier bag to one of her baby’s bottoms instead of a nappy.
REFERRED to another child as “that thing”.
PROPPED up baby milk bottles with cushions so kids fed themselves while she watched TV.
MILKED the system for benefits, raking in £350 a week which she described as “my wage”.
HURLED pots and pans during violent rages, and
SNUBBED the funeral of a two-year-old nephew who had Down’s Syndrome.
Her sister Julie Poskitt, 37, said: “I’m sickened and disgusted. She is unfit to be the mother of any child.” Matthews’ distraught mother June, 65, said: “I feel ashamed she is my daughter.”
Her brother Martin stormed: “She’s a disgrace — I can’t believe she’s my own flesh and blood.”
Martin also told how Shannon often cried when she was at his house and sobbed: “I don’t want to go home — I hate living there.”
Matthews’ children were fathered by five different men over 11 years. Her boyfriends ranged from a 16-year-old schoolboy to a divorcee aged 63. During the hunt for Shannon, she went potty when a TV report said she’d had five HUSBANDS. She yelled: “That’s a ********** lie. I never married any of ’em.”
On another occasion as the search continued, Matthews and Shannon’s stepdad Craig Meehan, 22, were seen coming home from shops with 48 cans of lager to swill.
When the girl was found a local supermarket gave the pair crates of champagne to “celebrate”. Soon they called back to ask for more.
June told how her grandchildren broke down in tears at the end of visits. She said: “It was heartbreaking. It couldn’t have been more obvious they didn’t want to go back.”
She added: “At times their hair was dirty and their clothes were smelly. They needed a proper caring home and love and attention.”
Julie severed contact with Matthews, of Dewsbury Moor, West Yorks, after becoming appalled by her. She told how her sister would drop off one of her babies with a carrier bag taped to the tot’s bottom or a towel tied around it.
Mum-of-six Julie, a care assistant, said: “Instead of spending money on nappies she’d spend it on stuff like crisps, sweets and pop.
“She showed no love and it was heartbreaking. I contacted social services three times but nothing ever seemed to happen.”
Julie told how Matthews showed no compassion when her two-year-old Down’s Syndrome son Jonathan died — and simply stayed away from his funeral.
She had earlier snubbed the boy’s christening. Julie said: “Everyone else was there but not Karen. There was no excuse, no card, no flowers.
“It was typical of her that when Shannon first went missing, Karen told everyone she had SIX children.
“It took her days to remember she had SEVEN. How can you forget how many children you have?
“I am so disgusted with her and furious social services never seemed to react to my concerns.”
The sentiment was echoed by Matthews’ ex-neighbour Claire Wilson. She said she heard Shannon and other kids crying through the bedroom wall as Matthews threw all-night parties.
Claire, 32, said Shannon was often grimy, adding: “I once rolled the dirt off her feet. It was like glue. Imagine living with a neighbour from hell and then double it.”
Claire said she informed social services but was just told: “We’ll look into it.” She added: “I think they should be shot.”
The dad of Matthews’ first child, kitchen assistant John Bretton, called her a “babymaking machine”.
John, who met Matthews when he was 16 and she was 19, said: “She just goes from one bloke to the next, uses them to have a kid, grabs all the child benefit going and moves on. That’s all she wants.”
When their child was two weeks old, Matthews abandoned John and the mite during a row in the street.
John said: “She just turned her back and disappeared. I didn’t hear from her for two days.”
He said: “She had violent rages. I was hit by almost everything in the house.” Matthews’ next two kids, including Shannon, were fathered by Leon Rose, 29. He said: “It’s shocking what happened.” Father No3 Paul Hooker, 31, said the kidnap “made my blood run cold”.
Father No4 William Marshall, 36, told how Matthews spoke of their child as “that thing”. Father No5, Phil Newsome, has refused to talk about their relationship.
Matthews later had a three-month fling with three-times-divorced Eddie Clayton, 63. When they first had sex — on a sofa in her lounge — she told him not to bother taking his shoes off.
Eddie bought her a £36.99 engagement ring from Argos but dumped her when she cheated on him.
Matthews’ last lover Meehan — in hiding after being convicted of having kiddie porn on his computer — THOUGHT he had fathered a child. But she was pregnant when she met him.
Last night social services managers at the local Kirklees Council were facing questions about their apparent lack of action.
A source close to the Matthews family said: “After Shannon’s recovery it was claimed social services had been closely monitoring the family — and had been considering taking her into care.
“However although they had a massive dossier on the family, they failed to take any action.”
A police source said: “The irony is the kidnap has meant Shannon now has a proper life. But really it is no thanks to social services.”
The council said it would be “scrutinising carefully” its work.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 007148.ece ( just for abbey)
AAG
this could have been so nearly a tragedy with another life being lost as shannons kidnapper could so easily have murdered her.
fortunatley all are now in jail awaiting sentencing and the reception that comes with this type of vile crime
especially for karen matthews.
but once again social services failed to act on infomation given once again social services need to be held accountable for their actions.
once again children have been let down by social services.
HOW MANY MORE BEFORE THE SYSTEM IS TIGHTENED UP AND CHILDREN DONT FALL THROUGH THE SAFETY NET
this is 2008 not charles dickens 18th century.
AAG
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Pantoandy - Here we are, on your previous thread discussing the outcome
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I am misreading something here throughout this post?
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
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mikeinie;1077806 wrote: I am misreading something here throughout this post?
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
No, shes done wrong, but even social services stated years ago that she would need constant help whilst she had her children in her care. Why then were the children removed from the 'At risk' list. It doesn't make sense, surely social services needs to be investigated to find out why they should make such a statement then do absolutely nothing!
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
No, shes done wrong, but even social services stated years ago that she would need constant help whilst she had her children in her care. Why then were the children removed from the 'At risk' list. It doesn't make sense, surely social services needs to be investigated to find out why they should make such a statement then do absolutely nothing!
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mikeinie;1077806 wrote: I am misreading something here throughout this post?
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
Not me Mike.....
Are people actually defending this woman?
Say it ain’t so!
Not me Mike.....
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Betty Boop;1077814 wrote: No, shes done wrong, but even social services stated years ago that she would need constant help whilst she had her children in her care. Why then were the children removed from the 'At risk' list. It doesn't make sense, surely social services needs to be investigated to find out why they should make such a statement then do absolutely nothing!
As bad as you think your social services may be there, here in Ireland, last year, a guy goes into a funeral home on a Friday afternoon with his wife and 3 young kids, picks out and buys coffins for all of them.
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
As bad as you think your social services may be there, here in Ireland, last year, a guy goes into a funeral home on a Friday afternoon with his wife and 3 young kids, picks out and buys coffins for all of them.
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
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mikeinie;1077846 wrote: As bad as you think your social services may be there, here in Ireland, last year, a guy goes into a funeral home on a Friday afternoon with his wife and 3 young kids, picks out and buys coffins for all of them.
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
No doubt there will be an enquirey into why social services let these kids down. We will hear all the crap excuses that we heard in the baby P case. Case loads too heavy, inexperienced junior workers blah blah blah.
I am not defending Karen Matthews. I am going by the fact that the Sun told the court that at no time was any reward discussed with Karen Matthews.
I also find it extremely sniffy that when Karen was arrested months ago and held on remand, the only charge the police could detain her on was 'perverting the course of justice'. There was a close relative of hers also arrested because police found her fingerprint on a £20 note belonging to Donovan. The relative insisted, she had only borrowed some money from him and had paid him back with £20 notes. The police released her eventually without charge.
When karen matthews was first arrested and held, there was no mention of kidnap or false imprisonment. There-fore, i don't believe that the police had any evidence what-so-ever to charge her at that time.
As i said before...arrest... then find some charges.
She was only charged with kidnap and false imprisonment once Shannon had been found.
Again, the non-appearence of Shannon's evidence is also very sniffy. If she had said anything to incriminate her mother, they would have used it and the case would be cut and dried and over in a week.
I am not defending her, i am trying to point out that a lot does not add up.
I still believe it was a plan to run off with Donovan that went horribly wrong for her. Unfortunately, if she lied to police in earlier interviews, they would have used that against her.
I still don't believe she had the brains of 'Max Clifford' to instigate and control the press and the public.
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
No doubt there will be an enquirey into why social services let these kids down. We will hear all the crap excuses that we heard in the baby P case. Case loads too heavy, inexperienced junior workers blah blah blah.
I am not defending Karen Matthews. I am going by the fact that the Sun told the court that at no time was any reward discussed with Karen Matthews.
I also find it extremely sniffy that when Karen was arrested months ago and held on remand, the only charge the police could detain her on was 'perverting the course of justice'. There was a close relative of hers also arrested because police found her fingerprint on a £20 note belonging to Donovan. The relative insisted, she had only borrowed some money from him and had paid him back with £20 notes. The police released her eventually without charge.
When karen matthews was first arrested and held, there was no mention of kidnap or false imprisonment. There-fore, i don't believe that the police had any evidence what-so-ever to charge her at that time.
As i said before...arrest... then find some charges.
She was only charged with kidnap and false imprisonment once Shannon had been found.
Again, the non-appearence of Shannon's evidence is also very sniffy. If she had said anything to incriminate her mother, they would have used it and the case would be cut and dried and over in a week.
I am not defending her, i am trying to point out that a lot does not add up.
I still believe it was a plan to run off with Donovan that went horribly wrong for her. Unfortunately, if she lied to police in earlier interviews, they would have used that against her.
I still don't believe she had the brains of 'Max Clifford' to instigate and control the press and the public.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1077906 wrote: No doubt there will be an enquirey into why social services let these kids down. We will hear all the crap excuses that we heard in the baby P case. Case loads too heavy, inexperienced junior workers blah blah blah.
I am not defending Karen Matthews. I am going by the fact that the Sun told the court that at no time was any reward discussed with Karen Matthews.
I also find it extremely sniffy that when Karen was arrested months ago and held on remand, the only charge the police could detain her on was 'perverting the course of justice'. There was a close relative of hers also arrested because police found her fingerprint on a £20 note belonging to Donovan. The relative insisted, she had only borrowed some money from him and had paid him back with £20 notes. The police released her eventually without charge.
When karen matthews was first arrested and held, there was no mention of kidnap or false imprisonment. There-fore, i don't believe that the police had any evidence what-so-ever to charge her at that time.
As i said before...arrest... then find some charges.
She was only charged with kidnap and false imprisonment once Shannon had been found.
Again, the non-appearence of Shannon's evidence is also very sniffy. If she had said anything to incriminate her mother, they would have used it and the case would be cut and dried and over in a week.
I am not defending her, i am trying to point out that a lot does not add up.
I still believe it was a plan to run off with Donovan that went horribly wrong for her. Unfortunately, if she lied to police in earlier interviews, they would have used that against her.
I still don't believe she had the brains of 'Max Clifford' to instigate and control the press and the public.
She lied to everyone. She very manipulative and she knew what she was doing. She isnt as daft as you think she is.
She is where she belongs:D
I am not defending Karen Matthews. I am going by the fact that the Sun told the court that at no time was any reward discussed with Karen Matthews.
I also find it extremely sniffy that when Karen was arrested months ago and held on remand, the only charge the police could detain her on was 'perverting the course of justice'. There was a close relative of hers also arrested because police found her fingerprint on a £20 note belonging to Donovan. The relative insisted, she had only borrowed some money from him and had paid him back with £20 notes. The police released her eventually without charge.
When karen matthews was first arrested and held, there was no mention of kidnap or false imprisonment. There-fore, i don't believe that the police had any evidence what-so-ever to charge her at that time.
As i said before...arrest... then find some charges.
She was only charged with kidnap and false imprisonment once Shannon had been found.
Again, the non-appearence of Shannon's evidence is also very sniffy. If she had said anything to incriminate her mother, they would have used it and the case would be cut and dried and over in a week.
I am not defending her, i am trying to point out that a lot does not add up.
I still believe it was a plan to run off with Donovan that went horribly wrong for her. Unfortunately, if she lied to police in earlier interviews, they would have used that against her.
I still don't believe she had the brains of 'Max Clifford' to instigate and control the press and the public.
She lied to everyone. She very manipulative and she knew what she was doing. She isnt as daft as you think she is.
She is where she belongs:D
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mikeinie;1077846 wrote: As bad as you think your social services may be there, here in Ireland, last year, a guy goes into a funeral home on a Friday afternoon with his wife and 3 young kids, picks out and buys coffins for all of them.
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
That sure is!
The owner of the funeral home was concerned and called the police, they checked it out and clearly the police became worried, but of course this is not illegal, so the police call social services. They get a voice mail saying 'the operating hours are 9-5, please call back Monday’.
Despite their efforts to get help, they couldn’t contact anyone in social services who would work over the weekend.
On the Sunday night the guys kills is whole family.
1 year later, after an investigation and recommendations, there has been no change to the out of hours policy in the social services here.
Now that is a cr@p social service.
That sure is!
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Betty Boop;1077784 wrote: Pantoandy - Here we are, on your previous thread discussing the outcome
Panto Andy has just posted another new thread on Shannon Matthews.
HELLO!!!!!!! PANTOANDY.....
WE'RE ALL HERE ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD
CAN YOU ANSWER US PLEASE?????
Panto Andy has just posted another new thread on Shannon Matthews.
HELLO!!!!!!! PANTOANDY.....
WE'RE ALL HERE ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD
CAN YOU ANSWER US PLEASE?????
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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ONLY ONE COMMENT....... She was NOT a benifit scrounger, her boyfriend was in full time employment at a fishmongers. He was bringing a wage into the house.
PANTOANDY.......... WE ARE ALL ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD... SHANNON FOUND SAFE AND WELL
PANTOANDY.......... WE ARE ALL ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD... SHANNON FOUND SAFE AND WELL
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1077934 wrote: Panto Andy has just posted another new thread on Shannon Matthews.
HELLO!!!!!!! PANTOANDY.....
WE'RE ALL HERE ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD
CAN YOU ANSWER US PLEASE?????
Can we quit that please. PantoAndy is free to post where and when he likes Mrs.
HELLO!!!!!!! PANTOANDY.....
WE'RE ALL HERE ON YOUR ORIGINAL THREAD
CAN YOU ANSWER US PLEASE?????
Can we quit that please. PantoAndy is free to post where and when he likes Mrs.
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Chezzie;1077938 wrote: Can we quit that please. PantoAndy is free to post where and when he likes Mrs.
Ok Mrs, just thought we could keep it all together as we did on all the various baby p threads:):)
Ok Mrs, just thought we could keep it all together as we did on all the various baby p threads:):)
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1077939 wrote: Ok Mrs, just thought we could keep it all together as we did on all the various baby p threads:):)
ok Mrs...I was going to pm him to request I merge the two threads:D
Shannon Matthews was minutes away from being murdered, say police - mirror.co.uk
During the trial the court heard how Shannon had been drugged for 20 months with Tamazepam and Travelease.
But what the jury did not hear was that toxicologists actually found FIVE drugs from her hair sample, including two anti-depressants and a pain killer.
It is believed the drugs were mostly given to her during school holidays. Police also discovered a poignant note in Shannon’s home in Dewsbury Moor – written between her and her brother before she went missing.
The pair wrote it as they huddled together after being banished upstairs in the dark. “Do you think we’ll get any tea tonight?†Shannon asks. “We may get a packet of crisps if we keep quiet,†comes the reply. “Don't say anything, though, ’cos we’ll be beaten.â€
After her rescue, Shannon was asked by child psychologists whether she wanted to go home. The reply came immediately – No. On her bedroom wall she had written about wanting to say with her real dad Leon Rose.
Last night officers told how twisted Matthews danced, drank and jokes about raping a police officer – just hours after handing over her children to social services following Craig’s arrest for possessing child porn.
It was her bizarre behaviour that first began to raise suspicions over Shannon’s disappearance.
One neighbour said: “It just seemed weird. If it was me I would have been devastated. But she didn’t seem to give a damn.â€
Hope that Shannon gets a lot of love and support that she dearly needs and deserves.
ok Mrs...I was going to pm him to request I merge the two threads:D
Shannon Matthews was minutes away from being murdered, say police - mirror.co.uk
During the trial the court heard how Shannon had been drugged for 20 months with Tamazepam and Travelease.
But what the jury did not hear was that toxicologists actually found FIVE drugs from her hair sample, including two anti-depressants and a pain killer.
It is believed the drugs were mostly given to her during school holidays. Police also discovered a poignant note in Shannon’s home in Dewsbury Moor – written between her and her brother before she went missing.
The pair wrote it as they huddled together after being banished upstairs in the dark. “Do you think we’ll get any tea tonight?†Shannon asks. “We may get a packet of crisps if we keep quiet,†comes the reply. “Don't say anything, though, ’cos we’ll be beaten.â€
After her rescue, Shannon was asked by child psychologists whether she wanted to go home. The reply came immediately – No. On her bedroom wall she had written about wanting to say with her real dad Leon Rose.
Last night officers told how twisted Matthews danced, drank and jokes about raping a police officer – just hours after handing over her children to social services following Craig’s arrest for possessing child porn.
It was her bizarre behaviour that first began to raise suspicions over Shannon’s disappearance.
One neighbour said: “It just seemed weird. If it was me I would have been devastated. But she didn’t seem to give a damn.â€
Hope that Shannon gets a lot of love and support that she dearly needs and deserves.