shannon found safe and well

[Betty Boop]

Chezzie;1077943 wrote: ok Mrs...I was going to pm him to request I merge the two threads:D



Shannon Matthews was minutes away from being murdered, say police - mirror.co.uk

During the trial the court heard how Shannon had been drugged for 20 months with Tamazepam and Travelease.

But what the jury did not hear was that toxicologists actually found FIVE drugs from her hair sample, including two anti-depressants and a pain killer.

It is believed the drugs were mostly given to her during school holidays. Police also discovered a poignant note in Shannon’s home in Dewsbury Moor – written between her and her brother before she went missing.

The pair wrote it as they huddled together after being banished upstairs in the dark. “Do you think we’ll get any tea tonight?” Shannon asks. “We may get a packet of crisps if we keep quiet,” comes the reply. “Don't say anything, though, ’cos we’ll be beaten.”

After her rescue, Shannon was asked by child psychologists whether she wanted to go home. The reply came immediately – No. On her bedroom wall she had written about wanting to say with her real dad Leon Rose.

Last night officers told how twisted Matthews danced, drank and jokes about raping a police officer – just hours after handing over her children to social services following Craig’s arrest for possessing child porn.

It was her bizarre behaviour that first began to raise suspicions over Shannon’s disappearance.

One neighbour said: “It just seemed weird. If it was me I would have been devastated. But she didn’t seem to give a damn.”



Hope that Shannon gets a lot of love and support that she dearly needs and deserves.


hmmmm I read that and I feel disgust as you no doubt do too, but then if this 'clever manipulative' woman had any sense she wouldn't have done those things, she would have acted out the part of a heartbroken mother for all to see to keep her story going. I still maintain that Karen had no idea of how to love and nurture a child yet alone look after it.

They revealed those drugs in the programme last night, and I say again we will never know who administrated them.

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Chezzie;1077943 wrote: ok Mrs...I was going to pm him to request I merge the two threads:D



Shannon Matthews was minutes away from being murdered, say police - mirror.co.uk

During the trial the court heard how Shannon had been drugged for 20 months with Tamazepam and Travelease.

But what the jury did not hear was that toxicologists actually found FIVE drugs from her hair sample, including two anti-depressants and a pain killer.

It is believed the drugs were mostly given to her during school holidays. Police also discovered a poignant note in Shannon’s home in Dewsbury Moor – written between her and her brother before she went missing.

The pair wrote it as they huddled together after being banished upstairs in the dark. “Do you think we’ll get any tea tonight?” Shannon asks. “We may get a packet of crisps if we keep quiet,” comes the reply. “Don't say anything, though, ’cos we’ll be beaten.”

After her rescue, Shannon was asked by child psychologists whether she wanted to go home. The reply came immediately – No. On her bedroom wall she had written about wanting to say with her real dad Leon Rose.

Last night officers told how twisted Matthews danced, drank and jokes about raping a police officer – just hours after handing over her children to social services following Craig’s arrest for possessing child porn.

It was her bizarre behaviour that first began to raise suspicions over Shannon’s disappearance.

One neighbour said: “It just seemed weird. If it was me I would have been devastated. But she didn’t seem to give a damn.”



Hope that Shannon gets a lot of love and support that she dearly needs and deserves.


Well, i have to admit, that the more that comes out, the worse it gets.

I still believe she just wanted to run off with Donovan but that does not excuse what a digusting mother she was.

Only based on the fact that Shannon was found well, it may be a blessing in disguise as it led to all her kids being taken away from her. Her actions probably saved them all from a child-hood of misery.

When i watched the documentary last night (and being very interested in body language) i have to admit that i didn't feel her reaction infront of the press when they announced they had found Shannon was right.

I do also believe that the pepers will print storie's to shock and the more they can use anything on her, they will.

If only social services had done their job when Shannon was on the 'At risk register' for two years. What on earth possessed them to remove her from the register in 2004. As i said, social services will now be trying to cover their arsses as with baby P by blaming Karen Matthews for manipulating them. They are trained to see through people like her.

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Betty Boop;1077946 wrote: hmmmm I read that and I feel disgust as you no doubt do too, but then if this 'clever manipulative' woman had any sense she wouldn't have done those things, she would have acted out the part of a heartbroken mother for all to see to keep her story going. I still maintain that Karen had no idea of how to love and nurture a child yet alone look after it.

They revealed those drugs in the programme last night, and I say again we will never know who administrated them.


I agree. If karen matthews was that clever and manipulative, and her neighbour said she was a very good actress, then she could have put on a far better show as the heart-broken mother than she did.

[Chezzie]

oscar;1077948 wrote: Well, i have to admit, that the more that comes out, the worse it gets.

I still believe she just wanted to run off with Donovan but that does not excuse what a digusting mother she was.

Only based on the fact that Shannon was found well, it may be a blessing in disguise as it led to all her kids being taken away from her. Her actions probably saved them all from a child-hood of misery.

When i watched the documentary last night (and being very interested in body language) i have to admit that i didn't feel her reaction infront of the press when they announced they had found Shannon was right.

I do also believe that the pepers will print storie's to shock and the more they can use anything on her, they will.

If only social services had done their job when Shannon was on the 'At risk register' for two years. What on earth possessed them to remove her from the register in 2004. As i said, social services will now be trying to cover their arsses as with baby P by blaming Karen Matthews for manipulating them. They are trained to see through people like her.


Ohhhhh somebody catch me....Im fainting...I agree with Oscar :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

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Chezzie;1077950 wrote: Ohhhhh somebody catch me....Im fainting...I agree with Oscar :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


That's a first on FG :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[abbey]

Sigh!

Could you please post a link to the article you lifted so that the person who wrote it may be accredited?

To copy a link of the page you are quoting simply copy the address in the address bar from where you are copying and paste it here.

[Chezzie]

abbey;1078080 wrote: Sigh!

Could you please post a link to the article you lifted so that the person who wrote it may be accredited?

To copy a link of the page you are quoting simply copy the address in the address bar from where you are copying and paste it here.




he has Abs, and he says just for you next to it:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[abbey]

Chezzie;1078085 wrote: he has Abs, and he says just for you next to it:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflNow I see it.

But he kinda missed the point, the idea is to post just a couple of paragraphs to save our eyeballs.

[abbey]

pantoandy;1077781 wrote:

Karen Matthews is a warped, immoral scrounger who lost count of her own children | The Sun |News ( just for abbey)


Thankyou . :-6

[Chezzie]

abbey;1078092 wrote: Now I see it.

But he kinda missed the point, the idea is to post just a couple of paragraphs to save our eyeballs.


Well their are some peeps that dont like to click on links and like to read the info on the post so if he does both he is keeping everyone happy:-6

[OpenMind]

Pity the poor.

[Chezzie]

PantoAndy's two threads on Shannon Matthews have been merged into this thread with his permission.

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Chezzie;1078542 wrote: PantoAndy's two threads on Shannon Matthews have been merged into this thread with his permission.


Good.

I read all the papers yesterday as of course, all the details can come out now because until the trial ended, everyone was subject to Sub Judice.

How horrifying, that her revolting family even directly approached 'The McCans' to ask for £25,000??

This is no doubt, the most revolting family in Britain but as one paper said yesterday, this family is not a one off. It is entire estate's full of mothers like Baby P's and Karen matthews who believe the working tax payer owes them a living.

However, how also revolting to see two police officers jubilant and crowing outside the court. Another personal triumph for them. This kind of behaviour makes our 'Police Service' look more stupid than they already are. Police officers are supposed to gather imformation to put to the CPS, not take personal victory so gleefully. They are no better than her.

[spot]

pantoandy;1077781 wrote: britains vilest mother karen matthewsWould you like to bet me a casino dollar that I can't change your mind about that?

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spot;1078573 wrote: Would you like to bet me a casino dollar that I can't change your mind about that?
I wouldn't bet Spot.

After reading of Karen Matthews own childhood, it's not astonishing that she put her own needs before her childrens. She also had a vile mother and probably knew no different.

[OpenMind]

oscar;1077405 wrote: Me too Chezza wezza and Boopy Doo


You're a real softie at heart, ain't ya?:-4

[OpenMind]

abbey;804817 wrote: My Aunt is married to the brother of Shannons biological father yet I still have an open mind as to what happened.




My twin?

[OpenMind]

spot;805289 wrote: I expect she went to him for help. I expect he thought he was helping. I doubt whether he damaged her in the slightest though I expect Social Services will do their best to wreck her life.


Those were my first intuitive thoughts on the matter when this case arose.

[OpenMind]

spot;806858 wrote: Hush, I'm slapping an idiot. Come back when I've finished.








:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[OpenMind]

Dewsbury is a godsforsaken ****hole. the only people that do well there are the Asians who virtually run the place. Having gone back there a couple of times since I moved to Leeds, I am struck by what I didn't notice while I was living in its centre. My residential pub no longer sells real ale (the landlord did profess to me once that he only kept it on for me). What pubs do sell real ale there do not keep it properly and it tastes sour. The people are themselves dour and generally negative in their outlook.

I hardly need to say that there is always a major fight every weekend in the town centre since this has become a regular pastime and I know the same used to happen in Bedford where I used to live. None of this is helped by Dewsbury's geographical status within a vale.

The Asians did not take over the town until the 1970s. This is borne out by a book I found in the pub I stayed at that contained many photos of Dewsbury from the 1800s.

[OpenMind]

I want to add that the last murder I know of committed in Dewsbury was of an Asian killed by his peers.

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OpenMind;1078679 wrote: I want to add that the last murder I know of committed in Dewsbury was of an Asian killed by his peers.


Was that the lad i just mentioned in the park? His youngest attacker was 13 years old (without checking).

I got rather annoyed with one article yesterday about karen Mathews. Included in the report was also the allegation that anyone who lived on an estate in Dewsbury was living a life on benifit on a 'sink' estate like matthews.

[OpenMind]

oscar;1079202 wrote: Was that the lad i just mentioned in the park? His youngest attacker was 13 years old (without checking).



I got rather annoyed with one article yesterday about karen Mathews. Included in the report was also the allegation that anyone who lived on an estate in Dewsbury was living a life on benifit on a 'sink' estate like matthews.


No, the Asian I refer to was killed outside the railway station by a gang.

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OpenMind;1079377 wrote: No, the Asian I refer to was killed outside the railway station by a gang.


I also got a little annoyed at the press printint that 'Police believed that Donovan would have killed Shannon'. That's un-founded bullshit unless he actually told them that. How could they know for sure?

Again, gutter press.

[OpenMind]

oscar;1079601 wrote: I also got a little annoyed at the press printint that 'Police believed that Donovan would have killed Shannon'. That's un-founded bullshit unless he actually told them that. How could they know for sure?

Again, gutter press.


I never buy newspapers and rarely have the TV on so I also miss the news on that medium. I know that all papers have either a slant or a particular perspective. I used to get emails of headlines for The Telegraph but that seems to have stopped since they updated their site.

If ever anything comes to my attention that I want to check on, I can do my own research. Even so, without being a first hand witness, I am only forming an opinion based on the general facts given. I am always ready to correct my opinion if further information warrants it.

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OpenMind;1079676 wrote: I never buy newspapers and rarely have the TV on so I also miss the news on that medium. I know that all papers have either a slant or a particular perspective. I used to get emails of headlines for The Telegraph but that seems to have stopped since they updated their site.

If ever anything comes to my attention that I want to check on, I can do my own research. Even so, without being a first hand witness, I am only forming an opinion based on the general facts given. I am always ready to correct my opinion if further information warrants it.


Me too.

I think the thing that has to be addressed in Shannon Matthew's case, as many newspapers are saying, is the total reform of the welfare benifit system that actually create women like her.

I know a some-one similar that lives near me. Totally on benifits all of her life, the kids are always under-fed, dirty and get no attention. She sits on facebook all day and night soking £40's worth of weed a week. As we live in a small village, Mr oscar will often drive past the pub and see her outside with a pint in her hand.

I can't afford to go to the pub and smoke and our kids are grown up. How do they do it?? her attitude angers me too, she thinks the world owes her a living.

She was complaining recently because they had stopped her disability allowence and put her on job seekers. I was amazed she was classed as disabled as she certainly isn't when the pubs are open. She told me she was depressed!!!! After a very long lenght of time, they put her on job seekers and now she's complaining that she has to visit the job centre every two weeks to check in or she won't get her benifit. As a tax-payer, people like her just sicken me.

That's what is the cause or partial cause of people like Karen matthews. They have been allowed to get away with it.

[OpenMind]

oscar;1079704 wrote: Me too.



I think the thing that has to be addressed in Shannon Matthew's case, as many newspapers are saying, is the total reform of the welfare benifit system that actually create women like her.

I know a some-one similar that lives near me. Totally on benifits all of her life, the kids are always under-fed, dirty and get no attention. She sits on facebook all day and night soking £40's worth of weed a week. As we live in a small village, Mr oscar will often drive past the pub and see her outside with a pint in her hand.

I can't afford to go to the pub and smoke and our kids are grown up. How do they do it?? her attitude angers me too, she thinks the world owes her a living.

She was complaining recently because they had stopped her disability allowence and put her on job seekers. I was amazed she was classed as disabled as she certainly isn't when the pubs are open. She told me she was depressed!!!! After a very long lenght of time, they put her on job seekers and now she's complaining that she has to visit the job centre every two weeks to check in or she won't get her benifit. As a tax-payer, people like her just sicken me.

That's what is the cause or partial cause of people like Karen matthews. They have been allowed to get away with it.


The problem with anything like this is that it is always open to corruption and abuse. Yet, we have to have a system that properly helps genuine unemployed people.

There have been occasions when I have had to sign on and I have always found it a debilitating experience. I'm never on the dole for long because of that and because I simply can't manage on the money I receive.

The Poor Law probably was better for weeding out scroungers as the local vicar who was responsible for aid knew the people in his area. Something similar to the workshop principle might make a difference but these scroungers are amazingly dilligent at getting around the law.

I think one method might be to remove persistent scroungers from their homes and place them in hostels. Take away their TVs and other luxuries and make them use a communal TV, etc. Further, I would have their children taken away from them and put up for adoption. The children would, in this case, be far better off.

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OpenMind;1079737 wrote: The problem with anything like this is that it is always open to corruption and abuse. Yet, we have to have a system that properly helps genuine unemployed people.

There have been occasions when I have had to sign on and I have always found it a debilitating experience. I'm never on the dole for long because of that and because I simply can't manage on the money I receive.

The Poor Law probably was better for weeding out scroungers as the local vicar who was responsible for aid knew the people in his area. Something similar to the workshop principle might make a difference but these scroungers are amazingly dilligent at getting around the law.

I think one method might be to remove persistent scroungers from their homes and place them in hostels. Take away their TVs and other luxuries and make them use a communal TV, etc. Further, I would have their children taken away from them and put up for adoption. The children would, in this case, be far better off.


I totally agree. Post ww11, many had to survive without benifit and they did it as a community.

Benifit should be the safety net for which it was created, people like yourself, who use it as a short term means to get back on their feet and not as a life-style choice.

I remember getting to about the age of 14 and my dad saying 'right, you've got to get part-time work'. I worked in a hotel washing up some nights, i baby-sat and worked in co-op on a saturday. My mother was fortunate that she never needed the money but they would take £1 a week from my earnings and that would go to my mum for my keep. She didn't need it but it was done to condition us into knowing that it was what you had to do in life to eat. Even now, my neice's take a small amount of money from their working kids.

The problem now is that kids are growing up on a life of benifit. They see their parents never working so they think it's the norm. They consider people who do work to be 'mugs'.

I really don't know what the answer is. If a woman is alone, what happens to the kids if she's forced by the government back into work?

Besides, who the hell would want to employ the like of Karen matthews? So the chances of finding them real employment are unrealistic.

Then, there is the cost of Creche's and nursery for the kids if they do work.

I also believe that benifit has become such a life-style to the likes of Karen matthews that if benifit was stopped this late in the day, crime would soar as they would not go without and put their kids first.

It's going to take a brave politician to reform the system.

[OpenMind]

oscar;1079797 wrote: I totally agree. Post ww11, many had to survive without benifit and they did it as a community.

Benifit should be the safety net for which it was created, people like yourself, who use it as a short term means to get back on their feet and not as a life-style choice.

I remember getting to about the age of 14 and my dad saying 'right, you've got to get part-time work'. I worked in a hotel washing up some nights, i baby-sat and worked in co-op on a saturday. My mother was fortunate that she never needed the money but they would take £1 a week from my earnings and that would go to my mum for my keep. She didn't need it but it was done to condition us into knowing that it was what you had to do in life to eat. Even now, my neice's take a small amount of money from their working kids.

The problem now is that kids are growing up on a life of benifit. They see their parents never working so they think it's the norm. They consider people who do work to be 'mugs'.

I really don't know what the answer is. If a woman is alone, what happens to the kids if she's forced by the government back into work?

Besides, who the hell would want to employ the like of Karen matthews? So the chances of finding them real employment are unrealistic.

Then, there is the cost of Creche's and nursery for the kids if they do work.

I also believe that benifit has become such a life-style to the likes of Karen matthews that if benifit was stopped this late in the day, crime would soar as they would not go without and put their kids first.



It's going to take a brave politician to reform the system.
If their kids were taken away from them, that would solve the last of your concerns. Even if the kids were not placed with loving families, they would get a better education and discipline and would more likely become contributing citizens.

Then these individuals would have no excuse but to spend their days looking for work. Their benefits can reflect the amount of effort put into seeking work.

Removing them from council homes and placing them in hostels would also save money for the taxpayer as trhe overheads would be reduced.

Whatever excuse they come up with can be overcome. There are plenty of jobs that require nothing more than working limbs and no brains at all. So, at least they would be contributing to the economy rather than just extracting from it.

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OpenMind;1079846 wrote: If their kids were taken away from them, that would solve the last of your concerns. Even if the kids were not placed with loving families, they would get a better education and discipline and would more likely become contributing citizens.

Then these individuals would have no excuse but to spend their days looking for work. Their benefits can reflect the amount of effort put into seeking work.

Removing them from council homes and placing them in hostels would also save money for the taxpayer as trhe overheads would be reduced.

Whatever excuse they come up with can be overcome. There are plenty of jobs that require nothing more than working limbs and no brains at all. So, at least they would be contributing to the economy rather than just extracting from it.


I totally agree. Also, having sat on council commitee, i know the amount of benifit recipiant's who are months behind with their rent. yet previously, the government has told magistrates not to evict because they don't want a home-less situation.

By co-incidence, i had a conversation with a woman friday night who'e son had been out of work for some time. I told her my husbands boss needed a driver and he didn't want to know. I also told her that he was looking for some-one just to drop some leaflets over christmas and it was cash in hand. When he found out it was walking the streets, he didn't want to know. You just can't help some people.

With the reforms in children's homes that we have seen in the last 20 years or so, a lot of children would be a hell of alot better off being taken from parents like Karen Matthews. They would have discipline, ambition and love that would make them better individuals who could have a chance in life instead of just inheriting the parents mis-fit life-style.

The money for the childrens homes from government would cost no more than it costs to keep a woman and 7 kids on benifit.