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spot;1505707 wrote: I've seen references to Pyongyang DC. If they become popular I may take to referring to President Trump as the Dear Leader.


Should I ask yet Mr Spot, if you have modified your praise for the Trump meister ?

In your recent posts I feel a degree of dislike, before you were leaning toward him being a good thing for America and the world.
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He isn't Hillary Clinton, thank Christ. The world's a safer place even if the Presidency has been handed to the inmates. What's happening in Washington is a sideshow, what matters is the corralling of all American armed forces into the Homeland borders. Mrs Clinton wasn't ever going to do that, President Trump might.
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spot;1505720 wrote: He isn't Hillary Clinton, thank Christ. The world's a safer place even if the Presidency has been handed to the inmates. What's happening in Washington is a sideshow, what matters is the corralling of all American armed forces into the Homeland borders. Mrs Clinton wasn't ever going to do that, President Trump might.


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As a public service I've put my Geiger counter permanently online with five minute updates, just to balance matters.
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I think his solution to ISIS was "To bomb the **** out of them".......................or very similar wording.

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The wording is right, but "them" refers to Middle East oilfields from which ISIS was at the time generating profits - something they're not doing now since the Russians bombed their oil transport assets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... ools-okay/

That's one entire year before the election.
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Bruv;1505723 wrote: I think his solution to ISIS was "To bomb the **** out of them".......................or very similar wording.

Nice.


No sympathy for Isis, only for the obvious "collateral", real damage to innocents.
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LarsMac;1505721 wrote: I would not hold my breath if I were you.


Agreed.
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Trump is either going to be a HUGE success or he will lose the house and senate in just a couple of years.

I just can't ever remember being so concerned with the health of our supreme court justices. :)
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Just because Trump sees the wisdom of a strong military does not mean he wants to create war. All indications are he has no taste for nation building.

Ronald Reagan built up the military and we defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot.
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flopstock;1505729 wrote: Trump is either going to be a HUGE success or he will lose the house and senate in just a couple of years.

I just can't ever remember being so concerned with the health of our supreme court justices. :)


I hope Trump is a HUGE success, just as I hoped Obama would be. No reason to hope for anything less for my country.
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Bruv;1505716 wrote: Should I ask yet Mr Spot, if you have modified your praise for the Trump meister ?




May I throw in a quote?"The next President must unite America. He must calm its angers, ease its terrible frictions, and bring its people together once again in peace and mutual respect. He has to take hold of America before he can move it forward. This requires leadership that believes in law, and has the courage to enforce it; leadership that believes in justice, and is determined to promote it; leadership that believes in progress, and knows how to inspire it".

That's Richard Nixon, two months before his election as President. Oddly enough I think he was the most honorable President America ever elected, he was a man for whom I hold great admiration. President Trump says very similar things.

President Nixon's presidency was destroyed by journalism. I don't see that happening to this year's man in the White House.

Nixon pledged that, if elected, he will organize a government drawn from the broadest possible base. He has been highly critical of the present cabinet as being largely composed of rather undistinguished and untried personal and party favorites. He promised to ignore party in a search for the best career, business, and professional men.
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spot;1505837 wrote: May I throw in a quote?"The next President must unite America. He must calm its angers, ease its terrible frictions, and bring its people together once again in peace and mutual respect. He has to take hold of America before he can move it forward. This requires leadership that believes in law, and has the courage to enforce it; leadership that believes in justice, and is determined to promote it; leadership that believes in progress, and knows how to inspire it".

That's Richard Nixon, two months before his election as President. Oddly enough I think he was the most honorable President America ever elected, he was a man for whom I hold great admiration. President Trump says very similar things.

President Nixon's presidency was destroyed by journalism. I don't see that happening to this year's man in the White House.

Nixon pledged that, if elected, he will organize a government drawn from the broadest possible base. He has been highly critical of the present cabinet as being largely composed of rather undistinguished and untried personal and party favorites. He promised to ignore party in a search for the best career, business, and professional men.


Nixon's presidency was destroyed by what he allowed his staff to get away with.

He was far too trusting of those around him. And, that cost him dearly.
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So Nixon was naive ?

i.e. ..........showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement.

Do we know anyone else that fits that bill ?
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LarsMac;1505838 wrote: Nixon's presidency was destroyed by what he allowed his staff to get away with.

He was far too trusting of those around him. And, that cost him dearly.


Was yesterday Opposite Day? You got it backwards, Lars.
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AnneBoleyn;1505847 wrote: Was yesterday Opposite Day? You got it backwards, Lars.
How so?

Nixon made the mistake of surrounding himself with people who gave him some plausible deniability. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but it came back to bite him. Turned out that they didn't tell him everything, until the after the cracks started showing.

A victim of his own cleverness.
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The November election was a farce . Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly three million votes . but because we have the long obsolete Electoral College system in America , Trump was the technical winner . No other country has this ridiculous system .

It should have been abolished long ago .

The last time a President was elected after losing the popular vote was in 2000 when the pathetic, clueless buffoon G.W. Bush was able to gain the White House this way .

There were a few examples of this long ago in US political history , but no other candidate who lost had such a large majority of popular votes as Hillary Clinton, who ironically had all the qualifications, experience, knowledge and ability Trump lacks .

Other factors were Republican party gerrymandering of voting districts , suppression of minority votes and very possibility interference by Russia .

Now America is stuck with the worst, most unfit, unqualified and unworthy individual ever to run for President . The damage is just beginning . This is absolutely sickening .
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superhorn;1505901 wrote: The November election was a farce . Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly three million votes . but because we have the long obsolete Electoral College system in America , Trump was the technical winner . No other country has this ridiculous system .


On the contrary, the British have the exact same system. It's pretty common worldwide. The electorate votes for local representatives first-past-the-post to go into a group, and those representatives each have one vote for who will be the country's political leader and the majority say of the representatives is decisive. Britain has the same issue of the popular vote not agreeing with the choice of leader too, sometimes.

America is Trump led, not Hillary Clinton led, because of the American laws relating to the election. You cannot have the election and then choose to change the law retrospectively to get yourself a different result.

The extent to which American Democrat voters are protesting the result is an embarrassment, it's something only Birther Lunatics used to do. Now there's no clear distance between the sensibles and the unsavories.
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superhorn;1505901 wrote: The November election was a farce . Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly three million votes . but because we have the long obsolete Electoral College system in America , Trump was the technical winner . No other country has this ridiculous system .

It should have been abolished long ago .

The last time a President was elected after losing the popular vote was in 2000 when the pathetic, clueless buffoon G.W. Bush was able to gain the White House this way .

There were a few examples of this long ago in US political history , but no other candidate who lost had such a large majority of popular votes as Hillary Clinton, who ironically had all the qualifications, experience, knowledge and ability Trump lacks .

Other factors were Republican party gerrymandering of voting districts , suppression of minority votes and very possibility interference by Russia .

Now America is stuck with the worst, most unfit, unqualified and unworthy individual ever to run for President . The damage is just beginning . This is absolutely sickening .


You, along with a majority of the Democrats failed to take seriously the level of disenfranchisement the people were feeling, and how influential the radical right media outlets had become. How they were feeding the dysfunction between government and the governed. Nearly half the voters simply stayed home. The media contributed by constantly playing one side against the other, and kept the people so busy, they never noticed the sleight of hand going on, where most of the state legislatures changes the rules on the Electoral College to the "winner-take-all" system, replacing the district representation that had been the mainstay of the College up through 2008.

The perception DNC's mistreatment of Bernie was the last straw for many voters.

Simply put, you didn't pay attention, and Trump snagged the prize right from under your nose.

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You, along with a majority of the Democrats (my add: or Remainers) failed to take seriously the level of disenfranchisement the people were feeling, and how influential the radical right media outlets had become. How they were feeding the dysfunction between government and the governed. Nearly half the voters simply stayed home. The media contributed by constantly playing one side against the other, and kept the people so busy, they never noticed the sleight of hand going on...


Same true over here. Have to hold my hand up and say Guilty. :(

May meeting Trump around now I suppose. Gawd help us all. Trade deals, NATO, torture. Women's Rights? Climate Change?
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Clodhopper;1505915 wrote: Same true over here. Have to hold my hand up and say Guilty. :(

May meeting Trump around now I suppose. Gawd help us all. Trade deals, NATO, torture. Women's Rights? Climate Change?


Yeah, I can't say that I was much better, though I did see the signs, and tried to say something a few times. Usually getting a "Shut up and sit down" for my efforts.

Like I said early, Many of my wife's family in the region, and many of my own family, all began turning to the Trump movement. They are good people, but they we willing to dismiss a lot of his character flaws because he was, somehow, not part of the "Establishment" I still puzzle over that notion.
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LarsMac;1505927 wrote:

"Shut up...sit down"
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LarsMac;1505927 wrote: Yeah, I can't say that I was much better, though I did see the signs, and tried to say something a few times. Usually getting a "Shut up and sit down" for my efforts.

Like I said early, Many of my wife's family in the region, and many of my own family, all began turning to the Trump movement. They are good people, but they we willing to dismiss a lot of his character flaws because he was, somehow, not part of the "Establishment" I still puzzle over that notion.


I got complacent. I live in one of the strongest Remain areas in the UK and I thought everyone I knew was voting Remain. Turned out one maybe two voted brexit. The one definite was a friend but I still can't talk to him. The maybe is a Yorkshireman who generally votes differently to the rest of us out of sheer Yorkshireness (as far as we cn tell). He's said not a word on the matter.

It has split the country like nothing I've ever seen and the split is deep and involves a lot of hatred. Although most brexiters are just dupes there are enough really nasty types among them - far right white supremacists and racist thugs - if you meet one you don't know it's always a worry what you're talking to, especially online. It has entered politics in the form of the Nationalist Socialist UKIP (an alliance of left and far right) and has driven the Tory party to the loony right. All this at a time when the Labour Party is without an effective leader and the Lib Dems are paying the price for the Coalition government. I suppose the Lib Dems are backhanded beneficiaries: we've gained 20,000 members since the vote - that's a lot by our standards - and have become the default Pro-European refuge for many.

It seems Trump and May got on and we will get a trade deal. What sort of a deal goes onto the ever increasing wait and see pile. Frankly the whole thing made my toes curl but it looks as if the Foreign Office knew all the right buttons to push and May did well. I'm not a fan but she is competent. Thank heavens.
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Clodhopper;1505954 wrote: Although most brexiters are just dupes there are enough really nasty types among them


There are some nasty types but most brexiters being classified as dupes ?

I am a remainer and that offends me.
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Bruv;1505955 wrote: There are some nasty types but most brexiters being classified as dupes ?

I am a remainer and that offends me.


I think they were fooled into supporting the agenda of the far right and ultra-rich, thinking they were acting to make life better for the ordinary person. They might be very bright in other ways and on other issues, but not here. They were fooled by people like Dacre and Murdoch, Farage (now working for Murdoch...) and Banks. I didn't make them fools, they did that to themselves with the support and encouragement of the aforementioned.

I think most if not all of us were fooled to some extent, me included. It's just that they were fooled a lot worse, by some very unpleasant people, and the consequences aren't going to be good for ordinary folk like us over the next decade or two. It'll be worse if the dupes stay duped and continue to support the far right and the racists, as their vote has already done. I think it will prove to be the death blow for the NHS, for example.

Edit: Oh, and we already know who is to blame if it all goes tits up. Not brexiters of course! It's Remain voters, the EU, the BBC and the Governor of the Bank of England's fault.
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Clodhopper;1505596 wrote: I expect to see UKIP making gains. They are a nationalist socialist party.

edit: The leader of UKIP is an Eddie Hitler lookalike called Nuttall. How the hell do you parody that?


His by-election is on 23rd February, and the national press is raising astonishing claims about the chap.

Paul Nuttall, the Ukip leader, has denied that he has lied about being a Hillsborough survivor after a number of people questioned his claim to have been present on the day of the disaster.

He claims to have been present, along with his father and two uncles, when 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death, and has said only “scum of the earth” would suggest this was not true.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... h-disaster

If he's about to crash and burn it's a spectacular way to go.
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Bits of claims are crumbling, with a week to go.

The MEP, who is standing in the Stoke Central by-election, said those casting doubt on whether he was at Hillsborough that day were "cruel and nasty".

Paul Nuttall says he did not lose 'close friends' at Hillsborough - BBC News



No doubt they are, but they may also be telling the truth. Cruel and nasty is fine by me if that's so. Meanwhile one might think having it claimed on one's own website that one had lost close friends at Hillsborough, and saying when challenged that "he did not know how a statement appeared on his website", is already pretty insulting to the dead. But then, he also claims to be a politician.

Steve Kelly, a member of the Hillsborough Justice campaign whose brother Michael died in the Leppings Lane end, urged the under-pressure Ukip leader to provide further evidence if he was at Hillsborough that day.

“He’s claimed that he can back all this up. Well, if that’s the case, that’s all he’s got to do to clear his name,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -admission



He's definitely refused to go anywhere near explaining how, if he was in the Leppings Lane End as the disaster unfolded, he or those he says he was with never responded to the many appeals for witnesses over the last quarter of a century.
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By heck, these UKIP buggers haven't quite grasped the notion of sensitivity.Arron Banks, the biggest donor to Ukip, has said that he is “sick to death of hearing about” the Hillsborough stadium disaster in which 96 people died, describing it as an “awful accident” that “could have happened anywhere, anytime” in the 1980s. He also accused one of his critics of “milking a tragedy forever”.

The millionaire businessman was reacting to a tweet on Tuesday by the Daily Mirror columnist Brian Reade after Paul Nuttall, Ukip’s leader, admitted that claims on his website that he had lost close friends in the disaster were false.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... llsborough





There goes the Liverpudlian vote, anyhow.
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The UKIP leader says he is to blame for errors on his website but accuses those who have questioned whether he was at Hillsborough on the day of the 1989 football stadium disaster of an "evil" smear campaign.

He tells the party's spring conference he won't let recent negative headlines "break me or UKIP".

Paul Nuttall: I've had a 'difficult week' - BBC News





He's still not addressed the anomaly as to why he's never stepped forward after appeals for witnesses. It would help his position if his father or his uncle had, but I've seen no indication of that being claimed either. It doesn't help that he's a very easy man to disbelieve.

On a positive note, I hope he remains leader of UKIP for decades.
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One of the features of Trump was the way nothing stuck, nothing affected the belief of the core group. It will be interesting to see if Nuttall has the same Teflon quality.

I see Trump has held a campaign style rally to keep the faithful frothing. Keep the sense of emergency, of mission going, keep judgement at bay. It is more like the way a dictator or tv evangelist relates to his supporters than a democratic politician.
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Garner Ted Armstrong? You might remember him? He had a regular program broadcast on Radio Luxembourg back in the day.
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...never heard of him...will google it.

Ugh. Yes, actually a better fit than what I consider tv evangelism to be - he was using the most advanced media of the time better quicker than anyone else in the field, just like trump now with Twitter.
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I just looked on Wikipedia to see what they said. Bang to rights, it's a perfect description of what I remember.In the mid 1970s, Penthouse magazine described Garner Ted as providing "late night companionship to thousands of truckers, the voice of the morning to millions of farmers, the living room preacher to a subculture of lonely, frightened, disoriented Americans." Noted for his charisma, movie star looks, and for being a music enthusiast, he toyed with becoming a nightclub singer before following his father into the ministry. He was at ease before cameras and microphones. In radio and TV programs he mixed political, economic, and social news of the day with Bible-based commentary. Armstrong's voice, style and presentation (with a low-key, ironic delivery more in the style of a comedian's monologue than in the didactic fashion of the standard evangelist) attracted millions to the church-sponsored broadcasts.

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spot;1506766 wrote: He's still not addressed the anomaly as to why he's never stepped forward after appeals for witnesses. It would help his position if his father or his uncle had, but I've seen no indication of that being claimed either. It doesn't help that he's a very easy man to disbelieve.


There's a very strangely-worded quote in today's Guardian.It is part of a wider smear campaign started last Friday whereby there was a claim I wasn’t at the Hillsborough disaster, even though I provided witness statements I was there and spent three hours yesterday morning at Operation Resolve giving a witness statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -statement



Started last Friday? Ukip leader Paul Nuttall denies lying about being at Hillsborough disaster was on the 11th February, that's ten days ago, it certainly predates "last Friday" by a week.

What he says is "there was a claim I wasn’t at the Hillsborough disaster, even though I provided witness statements I was there". What he's not saying is when he provided witness statements. Did he provide a witness statement before the claim surfaced ten days ago? Or is this a smudged timeline in which his first witness statement was actually made after the fuss began - perhaps "three hours on Monday giving an official witness statement to the police investigation into the Hillsborough disaster" is the first such statement he's made?

If he "provided witness statements I was there" before 11th February, what were the dates? If he didn't, why didn't he?

If his father and uncle provided witness statements, when did they do that? If they didn't, why didn't they?

The quotes in today's Guardian reek of shifty weasel wording.
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