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I have a hard time seeing God as --- doing unto others as he would want done to himself --- in the clip above. I cannot see God wanting someone to do what he did to the women who owned those wombs to him. He is therefore certainly not walking his talk or fallowing his own good advice.

It seems that people are more responsible than God as we are trying to get everyone on board the Golden Rule that God ignores.

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All that is Beauty is the work of God.

All that is Ugly is the work of Satan.

God is perfect.

God created Satan.

Therefore Satan is perfect.
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FourPart;1479402 wrote: All that is Beauty is the work of God.

All that is Ugly is the work of Satan.

God is perfect.

God created Satan.

Therefore Satan is perfect.


If Satan is perfect and all his work is Ugly, that would mean that God is Ugly because Satan can only follow the nature God put in her.

I say her because if you look at the Vatican art, Satan is definitely female.

Now I wonder why a misogynous religion like Christianity would do such a thing.:wah:

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People love to blame all their garbage on God.

God IS the Golden Rule. any behavior that fails the Golden Rule is not of God.
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LarsMac;1479409 wrote: People love to blame all their garbage on God.

God IS the Golden Rule. anything behavior that fails the Golden Rule is not of God.


Was God torturing and killing King David's baby something of God or something of Satan?

Was his killing the innocent first born of Egypt God doing unto others?

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479411 wrote: Was God torturing and killing King David's baby something of God or something of Satan?

Was his killing the innocent first born of Egypt God doing unto others?

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Like I said, people love to blame all their garbage on God.

It 's a common human trait that has not changed for thousands of years.

It is a sign of enlightenment to accept responsibility for one's own consequences.
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LarsMac;1479414 wrote: Like I said, people love to blame all their garbage on God.

It 's a common human trait that has not changed for thousands of years.

It is a sign of enlightenment to accept responsibility for one's own consequences.


Yet you deny God his for his sins.

I did not torture and kill a baby. You God did and you did not address that bit.

Some would say that that is quite hypocritical of you and would say your morals have been corrupted by your religion as you have a double set of moral standards where you forgive a prick of a God for what you would condemn men for.

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479450 wrote: Yet you deny God his for his sins.

I did not torture and kill a baby. You God did and you did not address that bit.

Some would say that that is quite hypocritical of you and would say your morals have been corrupted by your religion as you have a double set of moral standards where you forgive a prick of a God for what you would condemn men for.

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LarsMac;1479460 wrote: Ignorant people accusing God of doing evil is not the same as God doing evil.


True but to not recognize the evil God does as evil is you accepting a satanic God.

Who is more likely to torture and kill innocent babies?

Your bible shows God as the prick who would do such a thing.

You should revue your definition of ignorant because I see most Christians as just that.

You just do not like that those accusations stick and are shown correct.

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479465 wrote: True but to not recognize the evil God does as evil is you accepting a satanic God.

Who is more likely to torture and kill innocent babies?

Your bible shows God as the prick who would do such a thing.

You should revue your definition of ignorant because I see most Christians as just that.

You just do not like that those accusations stick and are shown correct.

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Firstly, It's not MY Bible.

As usual you assume much of me, completely without understanding.

Stop making this about me. You don't know me, and chances are, you never will.

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Man made God. That was truly evil.
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LarsMac;1479469 wrote: Firstly, It's not MY Bible.

As usual you assume much of me, completely without understanding.

Stop making this about me. You don't know me, and chances are, you never will.

Men do evil, and blame the gods.


Indeed but theists see/read of God doing evil, and like you, end in calling evil good.

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FourPart;1479470 wrote: Man made God. That was truly evil.


No. That is good.

Please read Freud's Father Complex.

What is evil is what this link speaks of. Us believing that the God we created should rule us when man is the only one fit to rule men.





This Gnostic Christian’s saying. My God is I am. I am God.

The only God fit to rule men and women is a man or a woman. That is how it has always been and all we have ever had. Who but a man or woman can express the will of God? There have always only been men and women of good hearts able to express God’s real will. Archetypal Jesus and his wife preached to seek God perpetually, --- even after finding a bit of God or Goddess within the self. We are to perpetually raise the bar of excellence for ourselves, our God. Be a God and brethren to a less literal Jesus. Free yourself from your self-imposed bondage and seek Gnosis. This begins by recognizing that both Yahweh, and by association, the Westernized Jesus, as being evil and quite immoral. We do endorse the more Eastern esoteric Jesus.



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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479472 wrote: Indeed but theists see/read of God doing evil, and like you, end in calling evil good.

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And how have I done that?
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LarsMac;1479474 wrote: And how have I done that?


I must have missed where you agreed that to torture and kill a baby is evil.

"Ignorant people accusing God of doing evil is not the same as God doing evil."

You seem to be denying that God did evil when he was definitely doing evil.

Agree that it was evil or be known for your garbage morals and garbage God.

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Well, if your god tortures and kills babies, then perhaps you need a new god.

I don't know this god of yours.
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Rather than trying to describe what G-d is, I follow Maimonides logic that we can only describe what He is not.

Maimonides’ Conception of God.

Of course this is a monotheistic point of view.
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LarsMac;1479476 wrote: Well, if your god tortures and kills babies, then perhaps you need a new god.

I don't know this god of yours.


Not mine but thanks for playing and showing how religions can screw up moral thinking.

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tude dog;1479486 wrote: Rather than trying to describe what G-d is, I follow Maimonides logic that we can only describe what He is not.

Maimonides’ Conception of God.

Of course this is a monotheistic point of view.


Knowing the wrong of a thing is to also know the right of it.

I know that bible God is not a moral God.

Bible God is not moral for torturing and killing King David's baby.

Do you agree?

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479497 wrote: Knowing the wrong of a thing is to also know the right of it.

I know that bible God is not a moral God.

Bible God is not moral for torturing and killing King David's baby.

Do you agree?


I do not agree that God actually did all that the Bible attributes to God. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
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LarsMac;1479499 wrote: I do not agree that God actually did all that the Bible attributes to God. Therefore, your argument is invalid.


I agree that the bible is full of lies.

In analysing the lie of King David's baby, one with morals will conclude that that God is a prick and not worthy of that title.

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So, I think we have picked up on the idea that you don't like the Bible.
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LarsMac;1479501 wrote: So, I think we have picked up on the idea that you don't like the Bible.


I think that if read the right way it is quite a good book and was instrumental in helping me push my apotheosis.

Read literally it become a worthless book that points to an evil God whom Christians still adore out of fear.

Christians end in calling evil good.

Look at yourself. You cannot even admit that the torture and murder of a baby by your God is evil.

Your bible has corrupted your moral sense.

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479503 wrote: I think that if read the right way it is quite a good book and was instrumental in helping me push my apotheosis.

Read literally it become a worthless book that points to an evil God whom Christians still adore out of fear.

Christians end in calling evil good.

Look at yourself. You cannot even admit that the torture and murder of a baby by your God is evil.

Your bible has corrupted your moral sense.

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You've already said all that, several times.

And I have already said that you barking up the wrong tree.

Please try to keep up.
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LarsMac;1479506 wrote: You've already said all that, several times.

And I have already said that you barking up the wrong tree.




Not while you keep to your initial comments but I see that we are done here. Thanks for your comments.

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LarsMac;1479506 wrote: You've already said all that, several times.

And I have already said that you barking up the wrong tree.

Please try to keep up.
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FourPart;1479508 wrote: The tree of knowledge, perhaps. Here, have some fruit.


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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479507 wrote: Not while you keep to your initial comments but I see that we are done here. Thanks for your comments.




Oh, please do enlighten me. Which of those comments are you finding so offensive?
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479503 wrote: I think that if read the right way it is quite a good book and was instrumental in helping me push my apotheosis.

Read literally it become a worthless book that points to an evil God whom Christians still adore out of fear.

Christians end in calling evil good.

Look at yourself. You cannot even admit that the torture and murder of a baby by your God is evil.

Your bible has corrupted your moral sense.

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I think torture and murder is evil, and I think God most definitely has a hand in on it, or it simply would not be. Corruption, sin, none of that would even exist, if God did NOT want it to, or willed it to be. Its no doubt to me that God has created is handling this acid in his hands, like the potter does the clay. And the bible has been corrupted. No doubt in my mind.

Its a SERIOUS contradiction as I consider God; he IS VERY Good, Moral, Fair, Just, Loving; overly Gentle, and merciful;

but he has another side to him, even as serious as the more respectable ways he has.

Its a trip.

God has made this world cry; suffer tremendously, and he has killed; and will kill a whole lot more before he is finished. Babies, children, adults, all races, ages, sexes ; and he will make people hate the thought of his name! And he is going to destroy the surface of this whole earth in an amazing display of frightening heat and fire!

And you know what; we are VERY fortunate that God is the ruler; the one in charge; the God; because he said AFTER he is finished with doing all that evil; we all will live with him forever, in a MUCH better life!

Now WHY he is doing it that way;

I can only guess. I'm just glad humans are not in charge of destiny.
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Mickiel;1479561 wrote: I think torture and murder is evil, and I think God most definitely has a hand in on it, or it simply would not be. Corruption, sin, none of that would even exist, if God did NOT want it to, or willed it to be. Its no doubt to me that God has created is handling this acid in his hands, like the potter does the clay. And the bible has been corrupted. No doubt in my mind.

Its a SERIOUS contradiction as I consider God; he IS VERY Good, Moral, Fair, Just, Loving; overly Gentle, and merciful;

but he has another side to him, even as serious as the more respectable ways he has.

Its a trip.

God has made this world cry; suffer tremendously, and he has killed; and will kill a whole lot more before he is finished. Babies, children, adults, all races, ages, sexes ; and he will make people hate the thought of his name! And he is going to destroy the surface of this whole earth in an amazing display of frightening heat and fire!

And you know what; we are VERY fortunate that God is the ruler; the one in charge; the God; because he said AFTER he is finished with doing all that evil; we all will live with him forever, in a MUCH better life!

Now WHY he is doing it that way;

I can only guess. I'm just glad humans are not in charge of destiny.


John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

You say the bible is corrupted yet you believe the B. S. in it and turn God into an ogre.

Omnipotent includes the definition of having infinite powers of persuasion and instead of persuasion, you prefer to have God destroy and kill. Rather a contradiction to your----

"he IS VERY Good, Moral, Fair, Just, Loving; overly Gentle, and merciful;"

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Lest we forget, the Bible was written a long time ago by MEN, with all their interpretations, preferences, fears and foibles. It has been translated and altered many times. Read with caution.
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Smaug;1479577 wrote: Lest we forget, the Bible was written a long time ago by MEN, with all their interpretations, preferences, fears and foibles. It has been translated and altered many times. Read with caution.


Exactly.

Besides, if God was a mean and nasty as the OP suggests, the Bishop would probably already be cooking in his own juices, by now.
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Smaug;1479577 wrote: Lest we forget, the Bible was written a long time ago by MEN, with all their interpretations, preferences, fears and foibles. It has been translated and altered many times. Read with caution.


And with the gullibility shield on full force.

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LarsMac;1479581 wrote: Exactly.

Besides, if God was a mean and nasty as the OP suggests, the Bishop would probably already be cooking in his own juices, by now.


To you, the torture and murder of babies is not nasty.

Continue to support that satanic God.

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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1479583 wrote: To you, the torture and murder of babies is not nasty.

Continue to support that satanic God.

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Isn't it interesting how when 'God' is decried as an 'ogre' by taking the words from the Bible it's merely a matter of interpretation, whereas anything that promotes His Goodness is considered to proven by the words in that same Bible.

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FourPart;1479705 wrote: Isn't it interesting how when 'God' is decried as an 'ogre' by taking the words from the Bible it's merely a matter of interpretation, whereas anything that promotes His Goodness is considered to proven by the words in that same Bible.

Good for the Goose. Good for the Gander.


And note how their hypocrisy does not phase or shame them in the least.

Almost as if he was an atheist who did not care if he discredited Christianity.

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Discrediting Christianity?

That happens nearly every day in this country - someone claiming to be a Christian speaks hatred and discord and bigotry.
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LarsMac;1479711 wrote: Discrediting Christianity?

That happens nearly every day in this country - someone claiming to be a Christian speaks hatred and discord and bigotry.


True. And you add yourself to that list.

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Well, I must thank you for one thing.

You have cured my curiosity of Gnosticism.
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LarsMac;1479735 wrote: Well, I must thank you for one thing.

You have cured my curiosity of Gnosticism.


For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.

Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.



When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.

How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?

Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.

We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.

It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.



They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.

African witches and Jesus



Jesus Camp 1of 3



Death to Gays.



For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

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Now, had you started the conversation with that, we might be getting along much better.
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LarsMac;1479750 wrote: Now, had you started the conversation with that, we might be getting along much better.


I do two things. I speak of what I know of Gnostic Christianity as it is one of the few religions that is not homophobic and misogynous and I speak against the morality of Christianity.

I have been at it for some time and most are thus entering in discussions with me while I do those via various O.P. and various topics.

Things that I believe and do usually come out somewhere in those discussions.

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I am amazed at what some people accuse God of. We cannot ven speak of the Divine. Our language cannot corral God with out language. We lack the God language. MIDRASH
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The "Golden Rule" was around before Jesus ever appeared on the scene. If it came from God it was pre-Christian and in many other faiths.
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Ted;1484192 wrote: I am amazed at what some people accuse God of. We cannot ven speak of the Divine. Our language cannot corral God with out language. We lack the God language. MIDRASH


Our language has already improved on God's laws and midrash or not, no one is foolish enough to recommend living under bible God's laws.

We do not lack God's language as it is created us.

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Ted;1484195 wrote: The "Golden Rule" was around before Jesus ever appeared on the scene. If it came from God it was pre-Christian and in many other faiths.


I agree. I know of no theology or philosophy that does not have a reciprocity rule of some kind.

When I read the Book of the Dead for instance, I can see the ten commandments minus the God-centered and self-serving ones that Christianity came up with.

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Why does God not follow the Golden Rule? His best rule?

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The ten commandments either came from Egypt or Hittites. They did not come from a mountain top although that is their sacred story and I will not judge it.
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Why does God not follow the Golden Rule? His best rule?

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Ted;1484231 wrote: The ten commandments either came from Egypt or Hittites. They did not come from a mountain top although that is their sacred story and I will not judge it.


I did and rejected those ten commandments as not worthy of a God.

We are to emulate all of God's attribute, according to scriptures that is.

Religion is to be our moral guide. Do you think our highest moral tenets should be self-centered or centered on others?

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Why does God not follow the Golden Rule? His best rule?

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Your judgement on the Ten Commandments is purely a judgement in hind site which is not valid in this situation. Which God are you emulating the war God of the OT or the God manifest in one Jesus of Nazareth?. In my view our highest moral is to be a servant of all.
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