Is Afghanistan a second rate war
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nvalleyvee
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
Why don't we hear about it anymore except for the body burnings. What if your kid were stationed there and it was treated as nothing unless the Americans screw up. Have we all forgotten why we are over there???
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
nvalleyvee wrote: Why don't we hear about it anymore except for the body burnings. What if your kid were stationed there and it was treated as nothing unless the Americans screw up. Have we all forgotten why we are over there???
Or why those who supported the Afghan government have been displaced as refugees because the Tailiban has killed their families yeah it seems we have forgotten it. Such a pity
Or why those who supported the Afghan government have been displaced as refugees because the Tailiban has killed their families yeah it seems we have forgotten it. Such a pity
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nvalleyvee
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minks wrote: Or why those who supported the Afghan government have been displaced as refugees because the Tailiban has killed their families yeah it seems we have forgotten it. Such a pity
Why haven't we done the support that we have in Iraq. I think the women and children have a little more freedom. Come on USA - this is where it started.
Why haven't we done the support that we have in Iraq. I think the women and children have a little more freedom. Come on USA - this is where it started.
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
nvalleyvee wrote: Why haven't we done the support that we have in Iraq. I think the women and children have a little more freedom. Come on USA - this is where it started.
horrible horrible isn't it. And the corruption over there just keeps going, the pity is this used to be such a lovely place, Kabul a gorgous capital city, in the mountains precious gems and gold were found ahhhhh the stories of this countries past are amazing sigh, so sad to "not" hear about it anymore.
horrible horrible isn't it. And the corruption over there just keeps going, the pity is this used to be such a lovely place, Kabul a gorgous capital city, in the mountains precious gems and gold were found ahhhhh the stories of this countries past are amazing sigh, so sad to "not" hear about it anymore.
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My BTS has a theory about Afghnistan and Iraq - he says the US is trying to flank Iran. Well if we are trying to flank Iran - we are doing a **** poor job because Iran wants nothing to do with this middle east war.
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SnoozeControl wrote: I still don't understand what we're doing over there. It started out as a hunt for Bin Ladin and the other terrorists that destroyed the Twin Towers. Somehow we ended up in a "war" with a country that should have had its tyrant ousted the first time we were there in 91. Are our troops dying because of some ego trip George Dubya's on? I dunno, I wish we'd just get the hell out of there, I can't see what our continued presence will accomplish.
Sorry, I seldom comment on political matters, but this war is a crock.
Excuse me SnoozeControl...... I think the subject is Afghanistan "NOT" Iraq..
Oh you mentioned IRAQ...........1991............................
HMMM Can you tell me why we did not oust him then....
Does the UN ring a bell?
Sorry, I seldom comment on political matters, but this war is a crock.
Excuse me SnoozeControl...... I think the subject is Afghanistan "NOT" Iraq..
Oh you mentioned IRAQ...........1991............................
HMMM Can you tell me why we did not oust him then....
Does the UN ring a bell?
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Is Afghanistan a second rate war
nvalleyvee wrote: My BTS has a theory about Afghnistan and Iraq - he says the US is trying to flank Iran. Well if we are trying to flank Iran - we are doing a **** poor job because Iran wants nothing to do with this middle east war.
yeah Iran says "been there done that got the tshirt" I dunno I haven't even heard anymore about who is in power in afghanastan, are the Taliban still reaking havoc? Such horror.
yeah Iran says "been there done that got the tshirt" I dunno I haven't even heard anymore about who is in power in afghanastan, are the Taliban still reaking havoc? Such horror.
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minks wrote: yeah Iran says "been there done that got the tshirt" I dunno I haven't even heard anymore about who is in power in afghanastan, are the Taliban still reaking havoc? Such horror.
I think several Middle Eastern countries want NOTHING to do with terrorists or the US.
I think several Middle Eastern countries want NOTHING to do with terrorists or the US.
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Hop_Sing wrote: and George W Bush is an arse.
Brilliant. Far, a combat veteran, pours his heart out and this is what he gets. :-5
Some people don't deserve the right to free speach.
Brilliant. Far, a combat veteran, pours his heart out and this is what he gets. :-5
Some people don't deserve the right to free speach.
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
posted by nynalleyvee
Why don't we hear about it anymore except for the body burnings. What if your kid were stationed there and it was treated as nothing unless the Americans screw up. Have we all forgotten why we are over there???
Well yes you seem to have. Maybe if the west hadn't supported and financed the taliban in the first place they might not have gotten in to power in the first place.
Have you read the 911 commission report?
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
I find it difficult how anyone reading such reports or doing the most basic research on western policy in the middle east does not get angry at the whole situation. I say the west cos it is not just americans that are culpable in this. Now US and British soldiers are getting killed sorting out a mess politicians created.
posted by far rider
I will not forget. Say it. Don't stop saying it. When you boil it all down, what we fight for again and again is the right of a free people to self rule. In my opinion, no matter what nation, group, or people, ALL have that right.
In that case maybe if in the past that hadn't been changed to any government they want so long as it suits the west. Don't you ever question why the US government helped the taliban in the first place?
Iraq acquired all the techology for it's chemical, biological and nuclear programmes from the US, Britain, France and Germany. The US in particular supplied Iraq with weapons grade biological material originating from Fort Detrick, and from the American Type Culture Collection Company, in Maryland. These shipments were approved by the Pentagon, the US Department of Commerce and the US Treasury. It additonally supplied them with hundreds of tons of unrefined Sarin, the agent used in chemical warfare, and did so AFTER the Iraqi gas attack on Halabja, March 16th 1988.
[Source: 'THE FATHER OF ALL DESPOTS' - article by Said K. Arburish, THE GUARDIAN supplement, January 2000]
In 1994 a US Senate Committee reported that from 1985 onwards, and probably much earlier, through to 1989, US companies supplied Iraq with biological materials capable of weapons grade use, including 'Bacillus anthracis' and 'Clostridium botulinum', causing Anthrax and Botulism respectively. The US additionally supplied at least 5 other weapons capable bacteria strains, none of which were weakened or had their capacity for reproduction affected. The committee reported: "These micro-organisms exported by the United Satets were identical to those the United Nations [weapons] inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program." The report also noted that US exports to Iraq also included pre-cursors for chemicals warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, even chemical warhead filling equipment.
[Source: 'ROGUE STATE' by William Blum, ZED BOOKS, 2001]
Britain also continued to sell weapons to Iraq after the Halabja attack. Exiled Kurds staged a hunger strike outside the UN building in New York to draw attention to the massacre, but the US took no action whatsoever. Kurdish leaders made a direct appeal to then UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher pleading for her support. Instead the Export Credit Guarantee Department used £340 MILLION of British taxpayers money to underwrite further arms sales. (By the outbreak of the Gulf war, British taxpayers had underwritten £670 MILLION of export credit to Iraq which Saddam Hussein defaulted on.)
[Source: 'DISTANT VOICES' + 'HIDDEN AGENDAS' both by John Pilger, Vintage Books 1992 and 1998 respectively]
All these countries flagrantly defied the international ban on weapons sales to Iraq, and no UN Security Council resolution was ever tabled to condemn Iraq's invasion of Iran, nor their use of chemical weapons. America helped Saddam Hussein acquire weapons of mass destruction and develop his nuclear programme in violation of the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, whilst simultaneously protecting Israel’s nuclear programme, which was illegal under the US' own Foreign Aid Act which bars financial aid to any country involved in clandestine nuclear weapons development.
In 1989 Iraqi scientists were invited to attend a conference entitled 'The Physics of Detonation', sponsored by 'US Nuclear Weapons Laboratories', and held in Portland, Oregon. Britain also allowed Iraqi scientists to train at 'Hadland Photosonics', a Hertfordshire based company that specialised in flash x-ray photography used during the analysis of nuclear explosions.
[Source: 'THE SCOURGING OF IRAQ' by Geoff Simons, MacMillan Press, 1996]
The same year saw Britain co-sponsor the 'Baghdad Arms Fair'.
[Source: David Steele, former British MP, BBC 'QUESTION TIME' January 1991
If you want to support your troops stop calling anyone who questions your government unpatriotic, saying they support terrorism, and dismissing criticism out of hand. Perhaps take a critical look at what you are told by GW and his cronies and stop blindly assuming that he can do no wrong. Go after terrorists by all means but don't add to their support base while you are at it.
Why don't we hear about it anymore except for the body burnings. What if your kid were stationed there and it was treated as nothing unless the Americans screw up. Have we all forgotten why we are over there???
Well yes you seem to have. Maybe if the west hadn't supported and financed the taliban in the first place they might not have gotten in to power in the first place.
Have you read the 911 commission report?
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
I find it difficult how anyone reading such reports or doing the most basic research on western policy in the middle east does not get angry at the whole situation. I say the west cos it is not just americans that are culpable in this. Now US and British soldiers are getting killed sorting out a mess politicians created.
posted by far rider
I will not forget. Say it. Don't stop saying it. When you boil it all down, what we fight for again and again is the right of a free people to self rule. In my opinion, no matter what nation, group, or people, ALL have that right.
In that case maybe if in the past that hadn't been changed to any government they want so long as it suits the west. Don't you ever question why the US government helped the taliban in the first place?
Iraq acquired all the techology for it's chemical, biological and nuclear programmes from the US, Britain, France and Germany. The US in particular supplied Iraq with weapons grade biological material originating from Fort Detrick, and from the American Type Culture Collection Company, in Maryland. These shipments were approved by the Pentagon, the US Department of Commerce and the US Treasury. It additonally supplied them with hundreds of tons of unrefined Sarin, the agent used in chemical warfare, and did so AFTER the Iraqi gas attack on Halabja, March 16th 1988.
[Source: 'THE FATHER OF ALL DESPOTS' - article by Said K. Arburish, THE GUARDIAN supplement, January 2000]
In 1994 a US Senate Committee reported that from 1985 onwards, and probably much earlier, through to 1989, US companies supplied Iraq with biological materials capable of weapons grade use, including 'Bacillus anthracis' and 'Clostridium botulinum', causing Anthrax and Botulism respectively. The US additionally supplied at least 5 other weapons capable bacteria strains, none of which were weakened or had their capacity for reproduction affected. The committee reported: "These micro-organisms exported by the United Satets were identical to those the United Nations [weapons] inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program." The report also noted that US exports to Iraq also included pre-cursors for chemicals warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, even chemical warhead filling equipment.
[Source: 'ROGUE STATE' by William Blum, ZED BOOKS, 2001]
Britain also continued to sell weapons to Iraq after the Halabja attack. Exiled Kurds staged a hunger strike outside the UN building in New York to draw attention to the massacre, but the US took no action whatsoever. Kurdish leaders made a direct appeal to then UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher pleading for her support. Instead the Export Credit Guarantee Department used £340 MILLION of British taxpayers money to underwrite further arms sales. (By the outbreak of the Gulf war, British taxpayers had underwritten £670 MILLION of export credit to Iraq which Saddam Hussein defaulted on.)
[Source: 'DISTANT VOICES' + 'HIDDEN AGENDAS' both by John Pilger, Vintage Books 1992 and 1998 respectively]
All these countries flagrantly defied the international ban on weapons sales to Iraq, and no UN Security Council resolution was ever tabled to condemn Iraq's invasion of Iran, nor their use of chemical weapons. America helped Saddam Hussein acquire weapons of mass destruction and develop his nuclear programme in violation of the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, whilst simultaneously protecting Israel’s nuclear programme, which was illegal under the US' own Foreign Aid Act which bars financial aid to any country involved in clandestine nuclear weapons development.
In 1989 Iraqi scientists were invited to attend a conference entitled 'The Physics of Detonation', sponsored by 'US Nuclear Weapons Laboratories', and held in Portland, Oregon. Britain also allowed Iraqi scientists to train at 'Hadland Photosonics', a Hertfordshire based company that specialised in flash x-ray photography used during the analysis of nuclear explosions.
[Source: 'THE SCOURGING OF IRAQ' by Geoff Simons, MacMillan Press, 1996]
The same year saw Britain co-sponsor the 'Baghdad Arms Fair'.
[Source: David Steele, former British MP, BBC 'QUESTION TIME' January 1991
If you want to support your troops stop calling anyone who questions your government unpatriotic, saying they support terrorism, and dismissing criticism out of hand. Perhaps take a critical look at what you are told by GW and his cronies and stop blindly assuming that he can do no wrong. Go after terrorists by all means but don't add to their support base while you are at it.
Is Afghanistan a second rate war
Hop_Sing wrote: who are you to censor my free speech?
There are Peoples out there today dying.......
I have every right to vent my anger and displeasure with this dupe of a man George W Bush!
I didn't censor your speech at all. I just said I thought it was poorly timed and cheap. It was also mean spirited. Now you have me wanting to be mean. I'm no great fan of our President but he IS our President. I'm weary of people who can't come up with anything but name calling and cheap shots that degrade the whole process of sorting out public opinion. From what I can tell you don't have an opinion...all you have is an emotion.
There are Peoples out there today dying.......
I have every right to vent my anger and displeasure with this dupe of a man George W Bush!
I didn't censor your speech at all. I just said I thought it was poorly timed and cheap. It was also mean spirited. Now you have me wanting to be mean. I'm no great fan of our President but he IS our President. I'm weary of people who can't come up with anything but name calling and cheap shots that degrade the whole process of sorting out public opinion. From what I can tell you don't have an opinion...all you have is an emotion.
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And.. even though I agree that Dubya ain't the brightest bulb in the world.. everyone loves to take thier shots at him.. excuse me.. he had a majority of Congress (the House of Representatives and the Senate) approve the Iraq fiasco. How come none of this criticism is aimed at your own representatives.. I know that I voted against my current representatives during the last election cycle... based on the fact that they supported the Iraqi measure.. and now.. hypocritcally enuff they are saying but we really didn't mean to.. bad politican bad boys...
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greydeadhead wrote: And.. even though I agree that Dubya ain't the brightest bulb in the world.. everyone loves to take thier shots at him.. excuse me.. he had a majority of Congress (the House of Representatives and the Senate) approve the Iraq fiasco. How come none of this criticism is aimed at your own representatives.. I know that I voted against my current representatives during the last election cycle... based on the fact that they supported the Iraqi measure.. and now.. hypocritcally enuff they are saying but we really didn't mean to.. bad politican bad boys...
I still think the history books will say the action taken in Iraq was the right thing to do. They will also point out the mistakes made while doing the right thing and the mistakes made in foreign relations policy prior to the war.
I also see the duplicity of our Representatives. Those who voted to go to Iraq are now trying to make themselves sound like they didn't. John Kerry said the same things about Iraq that the President did (“I’d do the same thing only differentâ€Â), yet now acts like he’s always been against the war. I say that if they can’t be at least as consistent as George Bush they don’t have any business in leadership.
I still think the history books will say the action taken in Iraq was the right thing to do. They will also point out the mistakes made while doing the right thing and the mistakes made in foreign relations policy prior to the war.
I also see the duplicity of our Representatives. Those who voted to go to Iraq are now trying to make themselves sound like they didn't. John Kerry said the same things about Iraq that the President did (“I’d do the same thing only differentâ€Â), yet now acts like he’s always been against the war. I say that if they can’t be at least as consistent as George Bush they don’t have any business in leadership.
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
Clint wrote: I didn't censor your speech at all. I just said I thought it was poorly timed and cheap. It was also mean spirited. Now you have me wanting to be mean. I'm no great fan of our President but he IS our President. I'm weary of people who can't come up with anything but name calling and cheap shots that degrade the whole process of sorting out public opinion. From what I can tell you don't have an opinion...all you have is an emotion.
And what Far said.
HS, you hit a hot button with me and I shot from the hip. Far's response is much more like what mine should have been. I would like to hear more of your opinion on the subject and again...welcome.
And what Far said.
HS, you hit a hot button with me and I shot from the hip. Far's response is much more like what mine should have been. I would like to hear more of your opinion on the subject and again...welcome.
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Is Afghanistan a second rate war
Hop_Sing wrote: [quote=Hop_Sing] 
I stand my ground
George W Bush is an arse
http://peacetakescourage.com/MakingHistory.html
Ok Point made and I think what you are trying to say is you don't think much of GWB, got ya sheesh was a little unclear first time around....... opinions are allowed by the way so don't get so defensive about censorship here, if you post a controversial opinion expect controversy back, not a bad thing just know we all have opinions.
I stand my ground
George W Bush is an arse
http://peacetakescourage.com/MakingHistory.html
Ok Point made and I think what you are trying to say is you don't think much of GWB, got ya sheesh was a little unclear first time around....... opinions are allowed by the way so don't get so defensive about censorship here, if you post a controversial opinion expect controversy back, not a bad thing just know we all have opinions.
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Hop_Sing wrote: [quote=minks]
LOL, I don't know why that kept posting......sorry about that.:-2
oooo ok well I am glad you were not doing for "shock" affect. Sometiems it happens.
LOL, I don't know why that kept posting......sorry about that.:-2
oooo ok well I am glad you were not doing for "shock" affect. Sometiems it happens.
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