Socialism vs Capitalism - An xfrodobagginsx Compilation Thread

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:06 am

LarsMac;1516655 wrote: That is a trait he shares with many bible-thumpers.

I've known may who can quote verse for verse, nearly every word of the Bible, but they have no real idea what any of it actually means.I suppose that would be because it actually doesn't mean anything. Their babbling/parroting is about all there is to the bible. My point is that the people we're discussing can't see that.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:19 am

I think this video sums up the problem with Liberal Thinking.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:25 am

Don't have time right now. Will talk about it later.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:32 am

I think that video is asinine.

America has proved to represent both of those extreme views.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:37 am

Ahso!;1516656 wrote: I suppose that would be because it actually doesn't mean anything. Their babbling/parroting is about all there is to the bible. My point is that the people we're discussing can't see that.

I am sorry that you have no appreciation for the poetry and lessons that can be learned from the Bible. I suppose it comes from your almost rabid rejection of anything deemed religious.

But then, that is probably best a separate discussion, entirely.

I think that you are as much a literalist as our pal Frodo is. Just on the other end of the see-saw.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:20 pm

LarsMac;1516665 wrote: I am sorry that you have no appreciation for the poetry and lessons that can be learned from the Bible. I suppose it comes from your almost rabid rejection of anything deemed religious.

But then, that is probably best a separate discussion, entirely.

I think that you are as much a literalist as our pal Frodo is. Just on the other end of the see-saw.You got me!

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:25 pm

Ahso!;1516670 wrote: You got me!

Sorry.

I was hoping you would explain how I was mistaken.

Seeing the type of music that you like, I know that there is a poet in there somewhere.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:55 pm

LarsMac;1516655 wrote: That is a trait he shares with many bible-thumpers.

I've known may who can quote verse for verse, nearly every word of the Bible, but they have no real idea what any of it actually means.Okay, I'll bite. What does the bible actually mean?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:05 pm

LarsMac;1516671 wrote: Sorry.

I was hoping you would explain how I was mistaken.

Seeing the type of music that you like, I know that there is a poet in there somewhere.I just googled "best poets". Nowhere do I see Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Moses or any other author of the bible listed. Do please explain to me why, with the vast amount of work out there by all the great poets who are listed, would anyone waste their time reading the bible instead?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:10 pm

Ahso!;1516674 wrote: I just googled "best poets". Nowhere do I see Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Moses or any other author of the bible listed. Do please explain to me why, with the vast amount of work out there by all the great poets who are listed, would anyone waste their time reading the bible instead?And here is a list of "best poetry of all time" listed by google. Nowhere is the bible listed there.

https://www.google.com/search?q=best+po ... e&ie=UTF-8

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:35 pm

Did I say it was the best?

Besides, such rankings are always subjective.

But, there are plenty of reasons to read and appreciate the writings of such works as the Bible, The Koran, the Vedas, the Upanishads, Mahiyani, sutras, and such. As well as many of the writers of such philosophies.

Some of it is right up there with Shakespeare.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:03 pm

LarsMac;1516677 wrote: Did I say it was the best?

Besides, such rankings are always subjective.

But, there are plenty of reasons to read and appreciate the writings of such works as the Bible, The Koran, the Vedas, the Upanishads, Mahiyani, sutras, and such. As well as many of the writers of such philosophies.

Some of it is right up there with Shakespeare.

Don't forget Rumi.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:20 pm

Ahso!;1516673 wrote: Okay, I'll bite. What does the bible actually mean?

Well, to start with, you can read the stories like you would read Aesop or the mythologies of Greece and Rome, or the Norse Mythologies. There are lessons to be learned and examples of how humans developed their ideas of morals and ideals. There are stories about humans and their failures, and their faith.

The overall theme of the Bible is man and his struggle to understand the world and the universe.

You can read the story of David, for example and find someone who, in spite of his failures and foibles, managed to hold on to his faith and accomplish his "destiny" And age old story of Mankind.

The whole story of how mankind began to evolve society, ideals, and morals.

There are some very good lessons to be learned, which Frodo and his ilk completely miss

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:56 pm

LarsMac;1516680 wrote:

The overall theme of the Bible is man and his struggle to understand the world and the universe.

The overall theme of the Bible is that man is a sinner and in desperate need of a Savior. God formed the Nation of Israel to be a light to the word of the truth of who God is and to be the nation in which the Savior would come. Jesus Christ is the Savior and by believing that He died on the cross and rose from the dead, placing your faith in Him and calling on Him for salvation, you can be spared from the horrific fate that awaits the rest of the world.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:11 pm

gmc;1516594 wrote: Actually large parts of the world would be only too happy to see america stop interfering in the politics of other countries, especially those who have in the past had to put up with repressive regimes either put in place and supported by the US. Like Iraq, Iran , nicaragua, chile etc etc.

posted by ted

Only the religious would have even thought it was in the first place. The roots of capitlaism and of socialism are the same the age of enlightenment/age of reason relgion now gets in the way of mankind living peacefully together

Karen armstrong is a classic exemple of a religious writer interpreting events to suit her particular agenda. Islam likem catholicism was a religion crafted to gain control of apopulation. The schisms that followed the prophets death like thgose of the christian god suggest either a giod incapable of making his message clear, a lalicious god or one that does not actually exist.

The Countries that we have interfered with are prospering. E.g. Japan, Germany. When we leave before the project is over, the Country becomes hell on earth. E.g. Iraq, North Korea, Vietnam. I agree that islam is about control. Christianity did not originate with Catholicism.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:23 pm

So, my question is do you think this man is lying? You really believe that the Socialist nations that he names aren't bankrupt? If he's not lying, then why the push for a system that doesn't work?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:26 pm

LarsMac;1516663 wrote: I think that video is asinine.

America has proved to represent both of those extreme views.

Whenever the US invades a Country it is always for good reason and for the good of the people of that Country. There was good reason to invade Iraq, but it didn't turn out as we had hoped. The UN, England, The CIA all agreed that Saddam had WMD and we did find them and know that he used them. We just didn't find the large stockpiles of them because they were shipped to Syria.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:39 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516686 wrote: Whenever the US invades a Country it is always for good reason and for the good of the people of that Country. There was good reason to invade Iraq, but it didn't turn out as we had hoped. The UN, England, The CIA all agreed that Saddam had WMD and we did find them and know that he used them. We just didn't find the large stockpiles of them because they were shipped to Syria.

Where do you get this crap?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:43 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516685 wrote: So, my question is do you think this man is lying? You really believe that the Socialist nations that he names aren't bankrupt? If he's not lying, then why the push for a system that doesn't work?

I don't know if he is lying. He may actually believe that tripe.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:46 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1516682 wrote: The overall theme of the Bible is that man is a sinner and in desperate need of a Savior. God formed the Nation of Israel to be a light to the word of the truth of who God is and to be the nation in which the Savior would come. Jesus Christ is the Savior and by believing that He died on the cross and rose from the dead, placing your faith in Him and calling on Him for salvation, you can be spared from the horrific fate that awaits the rest of the world.

I somehow knew that you would say that.

Night Watchman · Post by **Night Watchman** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:14 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514783 wrote: Socialist Countries Are Bankrupt. Don't Fall For The Lie. 1 Minute Video:

Difficult to get across when reduced to a one minute slot, with just soundbites. Yet, he's not far wrong.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:34 am

LarsMac;1516691 wrote: I somehow knew that you would say that.Your chiding aside, who's right, You or him? I think he is.

Anyway, you missed my point.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:30 am

LarsMac;1516680 wrote: Well, to start with, you can read the stories like you would read Aesop or the mythologies of Greece and Rome, or the Norse Mythologies. There are lessons to be learned and examples of how humans developed their ideas of morals and ideals. There are stories about humans and their failures, and their faith.Yes, but they are stories none the less. They are mostly invented stories in order to create a certain mindset. One can try to make the case that there was a time when such stories served a purpose for the survival of the species, and some people do try to make that case. I would not, however.

LarsMac;1516680 wrote: The overall theme of the Bible is man and his struggle to understand the world and the universe.Is that right? It's not an attempt to define the world and the universe?

LarsMac;1516680 wrote: You can read the story of David, for example and find someone who, in spite of his failures and foibles, managed to hold on to his faith and accomplish his "destiny" Meaning what exactly? That faith, or belief in something or someone with no basis in reality is worth fighting to hold on to? That's exactly what all you religious people do to varying degrees. My point is that it's not, especially now that we know so much more that contradicts the foundation of biblical faith.LarsMac;1516680 wrote: And age old story of Mankind.What?

LarsMac;1516680 wrote: The whole story of how mankind began to evolve society, ideals, and morals."The whole story"? Really? Come now!

LarsMac;1516680 wrote: There are some very good lessons to be learned, which Frodo and his ilk completely missYou said yourself that it's subjective. But wait, your subjective interpretation of biblical meaning and application is, what, more, what, objective? That's cute! And predictable.

Please forgive us all, Lord, for we know not what we do!

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:52 am

Ahso!;1516698 wrote: Yes, but they are stories none the less. They are mostly invented stories in order to create a certain mindset. One can try to make the case that there was a time when such stories served a purpose for the survival of the species, and some people do try to make that case. I would not, however.

Is that right? It's not an attempt to define the world and the universe?

Meaning what exactly? That faith, or belief in something or someone with no basis in reality is worth fighting to hold on to? That's exactly what all you religious people do to varying degrees. My point is that it's not, especially now that we know so much more that contradicts the foundation of biblical faith.What?

"The whole story"? Really? Come now!

You said yourself that it's subjective. But wait, your subjective interpretation of biblical meaning and application is, what, more, what, objective? That's cute! And predictable.

Please forgive us all, Lord, for we know not what we do!

always must turn it into a confrontation. Nature of the beast, I suppose.

Nevermind, I won't bother you again.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:43 pm

LarsMac;1516665 wrote: I am sorry that you have no appreciation for the poetry and lessons that can be learned from the Bible. I suppose it comes from your almost rabid rejection of anything deemed religious.

But then, that is probably best a separate discussion, entirely.

I think that you are as much a literalist as our pal Frodo is. Just on the other end of the see-saw.
If you feel this is confrontational, your post above would be where that began.

But my latest post is not confrontational in the least. In fact, I think it's rather generous considering your accusations above.

Come to think of it, I meant to ask you to explain that last line in your confrontational post. What is the "other end of the see-saw" from religion?

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:57 pm

Ahso!;1516708 wrote:

Come to think of it, I meant to ask you to explain that last line in your confrontational post. What is the "other end of the see-saw" from religion?

That was no accusation.

You are offended by the suggestion that you might be anti-religion?

I guess I lied. I probably WILL bother you again. My apologies in advance.

I actually enjoy conversing with you, AHSO!. I just have to figure out how to do so without getting your dander up.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:16 pm

LarsMac;1516709 wrote: That was no accusation.

You are offended by the suggestion that you might be anti-religion?

I guess I lied. I probably WILL bother you again. My apologies in advance.

I actually enjoy conversing with you, AHSO!. I just have to figure out how to do so without getting your dander up.I ask you a simple question to clarify a sentence you typed and this is your response? Do you still not see how your posts equivocate? Is reading comprehension an issue with all you religious people?

I am not upset or offended in the slightest. I enjoy rough and tumble. I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet. Well, not surprised - offended maybe!

There's actually much in that confrontational post of yours that I'd like to address, but I was willing to limit it to the last line. I thought that would be the easiest.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:35 pm

Hypocrisy runs rampant in American history: Who put these men in power and kept them there> Batista in Cuba, Sadam Hussein , Marcos, Noriega. They speak of democracy but if you are a dictator of the right you are OK but if a dictator of the left then you gotta go. Iran lost a good deal of money with the west invading their oil patch. The vi==Vietnam war was a needless war i n which hundreds of thousands lost their lives. And then of course the Us was defeated.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:00 pm

Ahso!;1516711 wrote: I ask you a simple question to clarify a sentence you typed and this is your response?

There were several questions in the post, but most seemed rhetorical. and only one that might be regarded as "simple"

Ahso!;1516711 wrote:

Do you still not see how your posts equivocate? Is reading comprehension an issue with all you religious people?

I am not upset or offended in the slightest. I enjoy rough and tumble. I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet. Well, not surprised - offended maybe!

There's actually much in that confrontational post of yours that I'd like to address, but I was willing to limit it to the last line. I thought that would be the easiest.

But, yes, as I said, It's all very subjective. But then, I am just one of those religious people, so what do I know?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:12 pm

I guess fundamentalists do not totally accept the Bible. Whatever happened to action on "The good Samaritan? Either it is ignored or simply not even considered. By the nature of the parable anyone in trouble is your neighbor. What about the impoverished in. America..

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm

Let's try again. On one end of the see-saw we obviously have a literal interpretation of the bible (I don't know why you brought religion in general into this, but probably neither do you) and on the other side, according to you, we have a literal interpretation of something else which you've left undefined. All I'm asking is what that is. Might you be referring to atheism?

I understand you like to be ambiguous in your posting on this subject so you don't have to commit yourself. That's so you leave enough room for equivocation.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:38 pm

Ahso!;1516708 wrote: If you feel this is confrontational, your post above would be where that began.

But my latest post is not confrontational in the least. In fact, I think it's rather generous considering your accusations above.

Come to think of it, I meant to ask you to explain that last line in your confrontational post. What is the "other end of the see-saw" from religion?larsmac wrote: There were several questions in the post, but most seemed rhetorical. and only one that might be regarded as "simple" All I see is one question.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:25 pm

Ahso!;1516720 wrote: Let's try again. On one end of the see-saw we obviously have a literal interpretation of the bible (I don't know why you brought religion in general into this, but probably neither do you) and on the other side, according to you, we have a literal interpretation of something else which you've left undefined. All I'm asking is what that is. Might you be referring to atheism?

I understand you like to be ambiguous in your posting on this subject so you don't have to commit yourself. That's so you leave enough room for equivocation.

Well, gee. I actually thought that was rather obvious.

I was not "equivocating" as much as you were dancing around the obvious.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:32 pm

Ahso!;1516721 wrote: All I see is one question.

Well,

Ahso!;1516698 wrote: Yes, but they are stories none the less. They are mostly invented stories in order to create a certain mindset. One can try to make the case that there was a time when such stories served a purpose for the survival of the species, and some people do try to make that case. I would not, however.

Is that right?(1) It's not an attempt to define the world and the universe?(2)

Meaning what exactly? (3)That faith, or belief in something or someone with no basis in reality is worth fighting to hold on to? That's exactly what all you religious people do to varying degrees. My point is that it's not, especially now that we know so much more that contradicts the foundation of biblical faith.

What?(4)

"The whole story"? (5) Really? Come now!

You said yourself that it's subjective. But wait, your subjective interpretation of biblical meaning and application is, what, more, what, objective? That's cute! And predictable.

Please forgive us all, Lord, for we know not what we do!

So, #4 seems to be the "simple question."

And, as I said, the others seem to be rhetorical.

I suppose though, if we want to pursue this we should probably peel it off to another thread before somebody complains about us hijacking the thread.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:41 pm

The lengths you go to in order to avoid committing is astounding.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:01 pm

Ahso!;1516744 wrote: The lengths you go to in order to avoid committing is astounding.

What is it that you are expecting me to commit to, bud?

You and Frodo are two ends of the same pole, in my view. Extreme literalism over the same bit of philosophy. There seems no middle ground, whatsoever.

Me, i like to take a line of thought and explore the concept, get on the bus and see where it will go. I don't mind at all wandering down dead ends, or going out on a limb or two.

By the way, there were actually six questions in that post. I missed one. Sorry.

Do you wish for me to take them and give you an in depth answer to all of them?

I can do that, but it might take a little time. I was a work and just dropping in every now and again for a quick read and reply.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:30 am

A place marker for consolidating threads on a similar subject.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:53 pm

Europe, Canada And Mexico Charge A 10% Tax On American Goods, While America Only Charges 2.5% On Their Goods. Trump Is Forcing Them To Be Fair With Us.

Donald Trump Refuses to Back Down on Tariffs Until NAFTA Renegotiation

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:55 pm

U.S. jobless claims fall to lowest level since 1969 Under 1 Year Of Trump's Capitalism

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-jo ... 2018-03-01

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:10 am

If a nation unilaterally abrogates a trade treaty why should the other parties trust them to keep to any new one? The eu doesn't allow american meat and poultry to be imported because the husbandry practices of american farmers. GM crops are not allowed because the people started refusing to buy it the hormones used in american beef cattle are dangerous and banned in the eu it's not anti amrican there are serious health concerns.

Nobody forced american companies to move production abroad maybe you should look to the real culprits for the demise of american industry. You don't have a capitalist economy stop kidding yourself. Bet the chinese are laughing themselves silly over this.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:21 pm

U.S. Posts Biggest Budget Deficit Since 2012

The U.S. recorded a $215 billion budget deficit in February -- its biggest in six years -- as revenue declined.

Fiscal income dropped to $156 billion, down 9 percent from a year earlier, while spending rose 2 percent to $371 billion, the Treasury Department said on Monday. The deficit for the fiscal year that began in October widened to $391 billion, compared with a $351 billion shortfall the same period a year earlier, according to the Treasury report.

The data underscore concerns by some economists that Republican tax cuts enacted this year could increase the U.S. government debt load, which has surpassed $20 trillion. The tax changes are expected to reduce federal revenue by more than $1 trillion over the next decade, while a $300 billion spending deal reached by Congress in February could push the deficit higher.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:55 pm

No doubt he'll blame it on Muslims, Immigrants or Video Games.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:32 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514148 wrote: Do protesters who support Communism/Socialism know it's history? Probably not.

Im a socialist !!! And yes indeedy i do.....what would you like to know?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:47 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -un-report

Top 10 happiest countries, 2018

(2017 ranking in brackets)

1. Finland (5)

2. Norway (1)

3. Denmark (2)

4. Iceland (3)

5. Switzerland (4)

6. Netherlands (6)

7. Canada (7)

8. New Zealand (8)

9. Sweden (10)

10. Australia (9)

Who says socialism doesn't work?

Funnily enough the populace of those countries don't feel the need to arm themselves with assault rifles in case their governments attack them.

communism/socialism are not synonyms. Now if we could just stop the fascists taking oiver in the UK