Socialism vs Capitalism - An xfrodobagginsx Compilation Thread

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:47 pm

So, you really think that a genuine follower of a religion would be the one who doesn't believe what the leader says and instead makes up in his own mind what they want to believe? Or do you believe that the genuine follower is the one who actually takes their leader at His word?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:06 pm

Look no further than "Acts" to see real socialism and it's in the Bible.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:12 pm

Ted;1514907 wrote: Look no further than "Acts" to see real socialism and it's in the Bible.

What I see in Acts is Socialism and a great example that it fails every time it's tried. First of all, they were never commanded or forced to give, they did it voluntarily, unlike today's socialism. Secondly, that group ended up poor and had to live off donations from the Saints later on. They only did what they did because they thought Christ was coming sooner than He did. The Pilgrims tried socialism in the first year in America too. 1/2 of them died of starvation. The next year they tried Capitalism and they had an over abundance of food. Thanksgiving celebrates their over abundance of food. Thank God for Capitalism.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:29 pm

magentaflame;1514829 wrote: You know? Ive found people on this forum to be most helpful and forthcoming with information.

But you Mr.......can do your own homework and get your own information.

(But we all know you wont)

Because I already know that they ARE. I've done my research. You won't address it because you know that they ARE bankrupt. That's why many of them need bail outs. Just like Socialist California needed a bailout because they are broke. It's a repeated pattern of poverty. Since the Country started as a Capitalist nation, there is an infrastructure that helps it for a time, but in the end, it fails.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:57 am

So you supply one video....i cant view it so give me a transcript of it here......and thats your research....i see no footnotes, no other corrosponding materials....where is evidence of research?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 am

magentaflame;1514917 wrote: So you supply one video....i cant view it so give me a transcript of it here......and thats your research....i see no footnotes, no other corrosponding materials....where is evidence of research?

So, because you can't refute any of the information, you have to resort to claiming that everything I believe is based on one video? I'll take that as an admission that you cannot refute anything in the video. Point made. Socialism fails everywhere it's tried. Capitalism is the best economic system.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:59 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514929 wrote: So, because you can't refute any of the information, you have to resort to claiming that everything I believe is based on one video? I'll take that as an admission that you cannot refute anything in the video. Point made. Socialism fails everywhere it's tried. Capitalism is the best economic system.

My God, what a rant- and what a load of rubbish, I only recognise one country he's mentioned as being bankrupt and that's Greece who, for most of the time since the last war have had a right wing or military government.

Shall we fact check what he's saying?

National liquidity is generally measured by the ratio of gross debt to GDP so, looking up the latest figures published by the IMF, sure enough Greece is second highest at 158% - highest is Japan at 237% and no one accuses them of being socialist being about as capitalist as they come.

Who else is up there? OK, we have Italy, Portugal and Ireland at around 120% but Cuba (32%), Venezuela (36%) and Argentina (44%) are all towards the bottom of the list and even France (90%) and Spain (97%) are in a better position than the USA (106%).

So, consider your information to be refuted

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:21 am

Bryn Mawr;1514932 wrote: My God, what a rant- and what a load of rubbish, I only recognise one country he's mentioned as being bankrupt and that's Greece who, for most of the time since the last war have had a right wing or military government.

Shall we fact check what he's saying?

National liquidity is generally measured by the ratio of gross debt to GDP so, looking up the latest figures published by the IMF, sure enough Greece is second highest at 158% - highest is Japan at 237% and no one accuses them of being socialist being about as capitalist as they come.

Who else is up there? OK, we have Italy, Portugal and Ireland at around 120% but Cuba (32%), Venezuela (36%) and Argentina (44%) are all towards the bottom of the list and even France (90%) and Spain (97%) are in a better position than the USA (106%).

So, consider your information to be refuted

They are SOCIALISTS, not right wing.

Socialist France is Bankrupt:

France is 'totally bankrupt', jobs minister admits as concerns grow over Hollande's tax-and-spend policies | Daily Mail Online

Socialist Spain Bankrupt:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... is/257736/

Socialist Italy Bankrupt:

Italy Bankrupt, Internet Down: The Wildest Predictions For 2017

Socialist Venezuela Bankrupt:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 8967876947

Socialist California bankrupt:

Actually, The US Is Massively Bailing Out California, And You Should Be Relieved About That - Business Insider

The Capitalist States are carrying these Liberal Socialist states.

Socialism doesn't work. Get a clue!!! Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:43 am

Capitalism and socialism have the same roots, Adam smith would have been condemned as a dangerous liberal good grief, free education for all even women, free healthcare and high wages as a necessary component of a successful economy. Course you wouldn't know that would you cos I bet you nhave never actually done ant studying of your own.

US debt per citizen $62,931

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:02 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514933 wrote: They are SOCIALISTS, not right wing.

Socialist France is Bankrupt:

France is 'totally bankrupt', jobs minister admits as concerns grow over Hollande's tax-and-spend policies | Daily Mail Online

Socialist Spain Bankrupt:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... is/257736/

Socialist Italy Bankrupt:

Italy Bankrupt, Internet Down: The Wildest Predictions For 2017

Socialist Venezuela Bankrupt:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 8967876947

Socialist California bankrupt:

Actually, The US Is Massively Bailing Out California, And You Should Be Relieved About That - Business Insider

The Capitalist States are carrying these Liberal Socialist states.

Socialism doesn't work. Get a clue!!! Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised.

OK, give me a clue - how do you define bankrupt?

And, if your believing the Daily Mail then no wonder you're confused.

Why no comment on the figures I posted - can you not refute them? I realise that they're awkward for you but they are totally relevant to the claims you're making.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:27 am

gmc;1514935 wrote: Capitalism and socialism have the same roots, Adam smith would have been condemned as a dangerous liberal good grief, free education for all even women, free healthcare and high wages as a necessary component of a successful economy. Course you wouldn't know that would you cos I bet you nhave never actually done ant studying of your own.

US debt per citizen $62,931

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

US Debt was brought on my Socialistic spending, basically spending more money than what we took in. That is not what Capitalists do. Obama was a Socialist. Bush spent like one.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:00 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514929 wrote: So, because you can't refute any of the information, you have to resort to claiming that everything I believe is based on one video? I'll take that as an admission that you cannot refute anything in the video. Point made. Socialism fails everywhere it's tried. Capitalism is the best economic system.

How in the name of tje devil can i refute a video i cant see..... i asked for a transcript....you cant provide it? then you lose the argument.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:35 pm

Just an observation, but actually, gummints SHOULD be bankrupt. They should not be showing a profit.

They should collect enough taxes each year to take care of business, pay the bills, and the salaries of the government employees, and end up with just enough left to get through the next tax collection.

Socialism and Capitalism are about how the economic system works for the people, not the government.

Surely you took some courses in economics and government, somewhere during you vast experiences in life.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:59 pm

magentaflame;1514939 wrote: How in the name of tje devil can i refute a video i cant see..... i asked for a transcript....you cant provide it? then you lose the argument.

Aha you can spell you can type as can I but I see you have the same problem I do.

US Debt was brought on my Socialistic spending, basically spending more money than what we took in. That is not what Capitalists do. Obama was a Socialist. Bush spent like one.

Actually no it wasn't it was your military spending that has done it.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:02 pm

LarsMac;1514941 wrote: Just an observation, but actually, gummints SHOULD be bankrupt. They should not be showing a profit.

They should collect enough taxes each year to take care of business, pay the bills, and the salaries of the government employees, and end up with just enough left to get through the next tax collection. I disagree! If any government is taxing properly there should be overages for emergencies, feeding the poor, housing the homeless and also investing money in a vehicle for a good rate of return. Once the investments begin to pay for the needed services then taxes can be reduced.

LarsMac;1514941 wrote: Socialism and Capitalism are about how the economic system works for the people, not the government.

Surely you took some courses in economics and government, somewhere during your vast experiences in life.The government is the people. It's the fail-safe they depend on.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:04 pm

magentaflame;1514939 wrote: How in the name of tje devil can i refute a video i cant see..... i asked for a transcript....you cant provide it? then you lose the argument.Don't follow him down rabbit holes.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:10 pm

Yes and unbridled capitalism helps the rich get richer and leaves leaves us with horrendous numbers of those homeless and those living in poverty. Unbridled capitalism is the curse of America. That is not justicee. that is criminal. Reagan go rid of bank controls and subsequently greed took over and you had the collapse of 2008. What bloody stupidity. Then Greenspan says he doesn't understand what happened I wonder what part of the word "greed" he didn't understand.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:11 pm

Ahso!;1514956 wrote: I disagree! If any government is taxing properly there should be overages for emergencies, feeding the poor, housing the homeless and also investing money in a vehicle for a good rate of return. Once the investments begin to pay for the needed services then taxes can be reduced.

You are probably right that some planning for emergencies should be in the architecture of a gummint.

Ahso!;1514956 wrote: The government is the people. It's the fail-safe they depend on.

Yes, the Government is the people, and the people are the Government. At least, until the People forget that fact.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:28 pm

Ted;1514961 wrote: Yes and unbridled capitalism helps the rich get richer and leaves leaves us with horrendous numbers of those homeless and those living in poverty. Unbridled capitalism is the curse of America. That is not justicee. that is criminal. Reagan go rid of bank controls and subsequently greed took over and you had the collapse of 2008. What bloody stupidity. Then Greenspan says he doesn't understand what happened I wonder what part of the word "greed" he didn't understand.

The Rich get richer AND the Poor get richer, the Middle class gets richer. Under Socialsim, the rich get poor, the middle class gets poor and the poor get poorer. The USSR is a great example of the end result of Socialism in it's purest form, Communism. No, homelessness and poverty goes DOWN. The biggest winner under Capitalism is the poor. Look at the poorest area in the US, they are the Big cities and they are run by S O C I A L I S T S for the last 50 years. Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents in American History. Income for poor Blacks and whites went way up, but they went up more for Blacks than any other group. What do you suppose happened under Obama?

Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferra ... 34a1d49ac9

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:10 pm

Bruv;1514868 wrote: La la la lalala

Why close your ears to opposing views. Opposing views is how we grow in our understanding.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:16 pm

Xfrod that is exactly what you are doing.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:18 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514983 wrote: Why close your ears to opposing views. Opposing views is how we grow in our understanding.

I think you might be in need of a hearing aid to enable you to hear, and maybe a guide dog to see what is happening around you, and a winnowing pan to sort the wheat from the chaff in you mind.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:21 pm

magentaflame;1514939 wrote: How in the name of tje devil can i refute a video i cant see..... i asked for a transcript....you cant provide it? then you lose the argument.

How can you not see the video? Just click and watch. It's in the original post.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:23 pm

Bruv;1514985 wrote: I think you might be in need of a hearing aid to enable you to hear, and maybe a guide dog to see what is happening around you, and a winnowing pan to sort the wheat from the chaff in you mind.

Enable me to hear the text on the screen? A dog to guide me where? To the computer?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:24 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514989 wrote: Enable me to hear the text on the screen? A dog to guide me where? To the computer?

Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!

La la la lalala..........

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:26 pm

Maybe to the truth.?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:38 pm

What about china - guess who america's biggest debtor is. Give you a clue it's a socialist country.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:49 pm

I find it incredibly hypocritical how someone who usually so vehemently claims to be a Christian can also claim to be so vehemently in favour of a Capitalist system. "Blessed are the Poor" is a phrase that jumps to mind. Capitalism is a system designed for the minority rich to profit from the suffering majority. Socialism even gets its name from what works best for Society. The UKs Jewel in the Crown is the NHS - created FOR the People, BY the people, by a Socialist Government. The Capitalistic Tory Government are unashamedly trying to sell it off & privatise it. The Socialist ideal is to provide a University education for all, which has long term benefits for ALL society. The Capitalist society wants to discourage the poorer people from getting to University by imposing massive debts that they will be paying off for the rest of their lives, meaning that only the wealthiest are those who really stand any chance of getting a chance of any decent education. The Socialist Government set up the Welfare State, where the elderly could be assured of the State caring for them in their old age. The Capitalist Tory Government makes them sell their homes in order to fund what they have already paid for their entire lives in the way of taxes. The Socialist ideal is to have equality for all - Equal pay, Equal rights, etc., as opposed to discrimination based on Gender, Race, Religion, Age, Disabilities, etc. The Capitalist Government seeks to have the worker have no rights whatsoever, so that they can be treated as the cheapest possible commodity, to be discarded & replaced at a whim.

Under a Socialist Government we had the lowest rates of Poverty, the lowest rates of Homelessness, the best levels of NHS treatment. Now we have record levels of Poverty & Homelessness (including families with children), ambulances queueing at A&E because of waiting times. Children bedded on chairs because of no beds. Record usage of Food Banks.

Oh, yes - Capitalism really works. How anyone who claims to be a Christian AND support Capitalism is sickening. If Jesus ever had existed, his teachings were always blatantly Socialist - tend for the sick, give to the poor, love thy neighbour, do unto others, etc.

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE !!!

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:55 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514988 wrote: How can you not see the video? Just click and watch. It's in the original post.

You really have no idea how things work, at all, do you?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:36 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514789 wrote: Moneylenders were turning the place of worship into a place of business. That's nothing to do with Socialism.

Wine from water is a miracle not socialism.

Free healthcare in the Bible? I don't see it.

Miracles free of charge is a ministry not an economic system.

People giving to the Church? Voluntary, not the Government coming in and forcing it.

Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen? I don't subscribe to what they do.
Profiteering by turning anywhere intended for the use of the Public into a place of business is Capitalism.

Free Healthcare? You don't see it? So I take it you haven't heard the stories of making the lame walk, healing lepers, making the blind see, or the parable of the Good Samaritan? Under a Capitalist system these actions would be billed heavily.

The original taxation was the Tithe, where 1/10th of income was made to be paid to the Church.

The Wealthy Priests & the Money Lenders were the Capitalists. These are ones which you appear to hold in such high regard as your role models.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:29 am

LarsMac;1515017 wrote: You really have no idea how things work, at all, do you?

Yes he does he has a little red book/ bible that tells nim how things work.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:52 pm

gmc;1514999 wrote: What about china - guess who america's biggest debtor is. Give you a clue it's a socialist country.

LoL China is nothing without the United States. They need us as a trading partner and if they lost the US their economy would free fall. There is a massive trade imbalance in China's favor with the US that Trump is going to fix. They are beginning to adopt Capitalistic policies into their economic system, which is resulting in wealth. Under their Socialism, they have been extremely poor for 100 years.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:44 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515139 wrote: LoL China is nothing without the United States. They need us as a trading partner and if they lost the US their economy would free fall. There is a massive trade imbalance in China's favor with the US that Trump is going to fix. They are beginning to adopt Capitalistic policies into their economic system, which is resulting in wealth. Under their Socialism, they have been extremely poor for 100 years.

What a pity they haven't been a socialist country for a hundred years. Come to that it was only in 1971 that the US opened diplimatic relations with china and the late 1970's that the US decided the self inposed ban on trade with china was actually causing them harm since china is one of the biggest world markets that they had no access to and the eu was wiping tne floor with them in terms of trade volume. China surpassed the US as the latrgest trading nation in the world in 2013.

You do know that 100 years ago america wasn't a democracy as we would know it either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... c_of_China

Today, China's main export markets, in order of importance, are the European Union (20.4%), United States (17.7%), Hong Kong (13.4%), and Japan (8.1%). China's main import markets, in order of importance, are Japan (13.3%), European Union (11.7%), South Korea (10.9%), Taiwan (9.1%), and the United States (7.2%).

I suggest you check the figures against those supplied by your own government if you remain in any doubt.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:11 pm

FourPart;1515026 wrote: Profiteering by turning anywhere intended for the use of the Public into a place of business is Capitalism.

Free Healthcare? You don't see it? So I take it you haven't heard the stories of making the lame walk, healing lepers, making the blind see, or the parable of the Good Samaritan? Under a Capitalist system these actions would be billed heavily.

The original taxation was the Tithe, where 1/10th of income was made to be paid to the Church.

The Wealthy Priests & the Money Lenders were the Capitalists. These are ones which you appear to hold in such high regard as your role models.

Wrong. That's not why He was angry. He was angry because they turned the Synagogue into a place of business. Free healthcare is not free. Taxpayers pay for it. Also, Obamacare has caused insurance premiums in the US to skyrocket and the quality is going down already. Before you could get an MRI, Specialist in a couple days, now it takes like a month. The 10% isn't paid to the Church is was paid to the Synagogue, actually under grace it's "As the Lord hath prospered you". It may be sort of a tax under the law, but under Grace it is V O L U N T A R Y, like it should be. Capitalism is the greatest economic system ever devised by man.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:23 pm

gmc;1514999 wrote: What about china - guess who america's biggest debtor is. Give you a clue it's a socialist country.

Wouldn't they be more a Creditor?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:09 am

I have to laugh when you decry free healthcare being paid for by the taxpayers. Who do you think is fronting the bill for the millions of indigent people whose only doctor is the Emergency room? Either you're OK with paying for them through higher health insurance premiums, or your for free government healthcare (which actually works out to be cheaper and more spread out), either way, you, xfrodo, are paying for the poor. Very socialist of you!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am

Saint_;1515236 wrote: I have to laugh when you decry free healthcare being paid for by the taxpayers. Who do you think is fronting the bill for the millions of indigent people whose only doctor is the Emergency room? Either you're OK with paying for them through higher health insurance premiums, or your for free government healthcare (which actually works out to be cheaper and more spread out), either way, youxfrodo, are paying for the poor. Very socialist of you!

Stop confusing Bilbo with logic.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:38 am

Bruv;1515242 wrote: Stop confusing Bilbo with logic.

What was I thinking?!

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:39 am

FourPart;1515026 wrote:

The Wealthy Priests & the Money Lenders were the Capitalists.

That's why I'm pretty sure all rich people, who are not philanthropists, are going to Hell...

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:58 pm

LarsMac;1515232 wrote: Wouldn't they be more a Creditor?

:yh_doh You're right my apologies. I do know the difference don't know what I was thinking

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:03 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515139 wrote: LoL China is nothing without the United States. They need us as a trading partner and if they lost the US their economy would free fall. There is a massive trade imbalance in China's favor with the US that Trump is going to fix. They are beginning to adopt Capitalistic policies into their economic system, which is resulting in wealth. Under their Socialism, they have been extremely poor for 100 years.

You really should find better news sources than whatever you listen to. (YouToob? Faux News? Pat Robertson? )

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:23 am

0PmLarsMac;1515270 wrote: You really should find better news sources than whatever you listen to. (YouToob? Faux News? Pat Robertson? )

I have lots of sources, but my favorite is Bob Dutko on Tune In Radio. 103.5 FM Monday-Friday 12-4 pm Eastern Standard Time . Listen to him and learn the real truth that you won't hear from the Liberal Media. He presents both sides and tells you what the Liberals conveniently leave out.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:25 am

On Average, Obama added 909 Billion Dollars to the US Deficit. Higher than any other President in History. Wages also went DOWN under Obama Trump's first year in office so far is at about 600 Billion, but it's gonna go lower as Capitalism continue to be implemented back into the system. Watch wages go up!

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515309 wrote: On Average, Obama added 909 Billion Dollars to the US Deficit.

What a selective memory! Did you forget that he had to bail out the banks and auto industries thanks to your guy, Bush? Although the cost of that was given as 700 billion, which would make Obamas actual loss 200 billion, far below Trump. The true cost of the bailout was 14 trillion and still counting!

But you don't want to recognize that, do you? So much for capitalism...

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:29 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515309 wrote: On Average, Obama added 909 Billion Dollars to the US Deficit. Higher than any other President in History. Wages also went DOWN under Obama Trump's first year in office so far is at about 600 Billion, but it's gonna go lower as Capitalism continue to be implemented back into the system. Watch wages go up!

Don't you mean "unemployment and poverty" as soon as the next crash happens? Socialist countries like Norway and Sweden don't have to worry about depressions and stock market crashes.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:27 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515308 wrote: 0Pm

I have lots of sources, but my favorite is Bob Dutko on Tune In Radio. 103.5 FM Monday-Friday 12-4 pm Eastern Standard Time . Listen to him and learn the real truth that you won't hear from the Liberal Media. He presents both sides and tells you what the Liberals conveniently leave out.

You should look into what HE probably leaves out

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:19 pm

What are his qualifications to speak on the matter? Or is it just an opinion ? And you know what they say about opnions

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:38 am

xfrodobagginsx;1515308 wrote: 0Pm

I have lots of sources, but my favorite is Bob Dutko on Tune In Radio. 103.5 FM Monday-Friday 12-4 pm Eastern Standard Time . Listen to him and learn the real truth that you won't hear from the Liberal Media. He presents both sides and tells you what the Liberals conveniently leave out.

You do realise that some obscuree american local radio channel is not really impressive as a reliable source? Fox news os bad enough but at least there is russia today and al jazeera to cross reference.

Just out of curiosity what do you think liberal values are? You live in a liberal democracy othgerwise you would not have freedom of speech religion etc etc. I can never get at what people find so distressing abiout liberalism.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Why the UN is investigating extreme poverty â€¦ in America, the world's richest nation

Here Bilbo.......................some fake news for ya !!!

Capitalism at it's best.........................................for some.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:13 pm

Bruv;1515358 wrote: Why the UN is investigating extreme poverty â€¦ in America, the world's richest nation

Here Bilbo.......................some fake news for ya !!!

Capitalism at it's best.........................................for some.

All the US has to do is stop giving Billions to European and other Countries and start giving it to our own people. Screw the UN, that's just their way of staying relevant. Who do you think foots the bill for the UN? Hint it's the US, the richest Country on Earth because of Capitalism:

America, we pay way too much for the United Nations | Fox News