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A lot more complicated for who??

http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/1985473 ... =video&c=y

Boyfriend tackles burglar while girlfriend holds shotgun, calls cops

EUGENE, Ore. - A Eugene couple caught a burglar in the act and made a citizens arrest with a shotgun early Sunday morning, Eugene Police said.

Derek LeBlanc was headed to work around 5 a.m. Sunday when he saw a pair of feet hanging out the shattered rear window of his pickup truck parked at his north Eugene home on Kenmore Street.

"At this point I had my car keys in my hand. I threw them, and as soon as he got to his feet I just instinctively took him down," LeBlanc said. "You never know what you're going to do until it happens, but I sure as hell wasn't going to be a victim."

After he tackled a man in his front driveway, LeBlanc said he began calling to his girlfriend for help.

Eugene Police later identified the man LeBlanc tackled to be Shawn Daniel Johnson.

Heidi Lusk, LeBlanc's girlfriend, said she came outside with a shotgun and a phone. She said she pointed the shotgun at Johnson with one hand and called police with the other.

"He said shoot me. He must have heard me tell dispatch that I had a shot gun pointed at him," said Lusk. "He asked me to shoot him, and I told him he wasn't worth shooting."

Nearly six minutes later Eugene Police responded and took Johnson into custody.

He was charged with unlawful entry into a motor vehicle, theft in the third degree, possession of burglary tools and possession of marijuana.

He was let out of Lane County Jail a few hours later in a capacity-based release.

While Leblanc's fast actions helped police capture Johnson, Eugene Police Lieutenant Doug Mozan said that these situations can get a lot more complicated if a gun is fired.

"I certainly appreciate a person that has the courage to take on danger. At the same time, a lot of prudence goes a long way," said Lt. Mozan.

Leblanc told KVAL News that he plans to start a neighborhood watch on his street.
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An Ohio teenager charged with shooting dead three students at a local school was sentenced Tuesday to life in prison without parole, but not before sparking nationwide outrage and condemnation with his despicable courtroom antics.

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Toward the end, he told his family he was “overwhelmed” by what he was experiencing on the job: the bodies, the violence and especially crime’s effect on children.
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Bruv;1422873 wrote: Toward the end, he told his family he was “overwhelmed” by what he was experiencing on the job: the bodies, the violence and especially crime’s effect on children.


Suicide, though tragic to family an friends is not a crime and does not require a firearm.

Just say'n
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tude dog;1422877 wrote: Suicide, though tragic to family an friends is not a crime and does not require a firearm.

Just say'n
So we are only counting criminal deaths?

Wasn't his suicide a result of criminality ?
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Bruv;1422897 wrote: So we are only counting criminal deaths?

Wasn't his suicide a result of criminality ?


Count what you want. My biggest problem with that whole count is it is without context. I just try to add a little. Make people think.

Far as I know there is no law against suicide, therefore no crime.
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Since we are on the subject of "Since Newtown", this may be interesting.

Newtown sees jump in gun permit applications

Applications for gun permits have jumped in Newtown, Conn., since a school massacre there revived the national debate on gun control and led to worries about new restrictions.

Newtown in recent years has issued about 130 gun permits annually. Police say the town received 79 permit applications in the three months since the Dec. 14 massacre, well over double the normal pace.

Robert Berkins, records manager for Newtown police, says many applicants are expressing concerns that their gun rights will be taken away.

Firearms sales have surged around the country, driven by Washington's new focus on gun control.

The killing of 20 first-graders and six staff members at Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School has led to proposals for universal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.


Nobody should be surprised. As the extremists take advantage of dead children to promote their anti-2nd Amendment agenda, citizens in Newtown react just like the rest of America.
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tude dog;1422914 wrote: Count what you want. My biggest problem with that whole count is it is without context. I just try to add a little. Make people think.

Far as I know there is no law against suicide, therefore no crime.


I thought THE Context was death by shooting.

I am sure if the guns were not in the equation the average person wouldn't or couldn't plunge a knife or bludgeon with a blunt instrument to accumulate such a total.
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tude dog;1422914 wrote: Count what you want. My biggest problem with that whole count is it is without context. I just try to add a little. Make people think.

Far as I know there is no law against suicide, therefore no crime.
I think that's true. I don't know of anyone convicted of suicide. Attempted suicide might be another matter, but I'd recommend pleading not guilty due to insanity. That might fly. Conspiracy to commit suicide would be an interesting trial do jury duty for.
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For people with no empathy, i.e. Senator Rob Portman, the only way they will see reason is when their own young children, or grandchildren, are mercilessly gunned down.

The Honorable Senator from Ohio couldn't care less about the rights of gay people, openly fought any ideas to the contrary. Now that his own son is gay, it's a different story. Just like assault weapons. It should only happen to them. Guess life isn't fair. We all know that.
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Yeh, grief and pain make people reasonable. I'm sure the people that run Gitmo that use that logic.
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Bruv;1422920 wrote: I thought THE Context was death by shooting.

I am sure if the guns were not in the equation the average person wouldn't or couldn't plunge a knife or bludgeon with a blunt instrument to accumulate such a total.


Guns are tools. It is no shock to me that a gun would be an effective tool for suicide. A rational argument is the ease of using a gun many contribute to the number of suicide deaths.

Now consider

Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)

Firearms 56 30

Suffocation 24 21

Poisoning 13 40


NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention

Now consider Japan where for the most part guns are not available to the average person.

SUICIDE IN JAPAN EXCEEDS 30,000 FOR 14TH YEAR.

My whole point is there is a distinction between suicide and homicide.
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tude dog;1422963 wrote: Guns are tools. It is no shock to me that a gun would be an effective tool for suicide. A rational argument is the ease of using a gun many contribute to the number of suicide deaths.



Now consider Japan where for the most part guns are not available to the average person.



My whole point is there is a distinction between suicide and homicide.


I think that is what I meant, a gun is pretty much an easier and spur of the moment aid to suicide, if the person had to weigh the alternatives it might, just might , deter them.

The Japanese culture is far different to the US, I suspect that what gives them such high rates.

I know the distinction between murder and suicide, but the availability of firearms and the ease of use can only result in high incidents of mortality by gun shot as opposed to any other weapon.
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Ahso!;1422970 wrote: 2857


Meanwhile,

Homeowner shoots intruder who broke into home for 3rd time

everyday regular folk just try to protect them selves from criminals.

I don't find burglars breaking in to my home even once acceptable.
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This is interesting and frightening.

Gun deaths shaped by race in America
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Bruv;1423110 wrote: This is interesting and frightening.

Gun deaths shaped by race in America


The commenters to these articles always seem to be shockingly stupid & crass. Why is that, I wonder? Of either side, btw. :lips: = what I wish they said.
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I love how shallow people are sometimes. "It must have something to do with color-codes, otherwise it might make my head hurt." That's not directed at you, Bruv. You're not the one that did the research.

If the racist who did the story wanted to be thorough, he'd show stats of rural vs urban blacks, rural vs urban whites, urban whites vs urban blacks, & rural whites vs rural blacks. Maybe he could have stratified the data by annual income, family status, or any number of actually valid criteria ... but that would risk shaking his color-coded preconceptions.

What's interesting and frightening is that there are people who want to restrict firearms who read such a story, and it doesn't even occur to them to question the conclusions; and there are also those who are afraid to examine their support of gun ownership who will either call it all a lie (which it is not, strictly), or find some other excuse to justify the color-coding - thus tacitly supporting the color-coding.
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Ahso!;1422970 wrote: 28572987
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Ahso!;1423184 wrote: 2987


Homeowner shoots intruder who broke into home for 3rd time

WARRENTON, Ore. — Police said a homeowner in the coastal community of Hammond shot and wounded a suspected burglar who was released from jail earlier this week.

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Tude must be busy. :sneaky:
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Accountable;1423986 wrote: Tude must be busy. :sneaky:


You're a trouble maker.

Been trying to think of something more imaginative, suppose this will have to do since it seems to have been missed. Maybe our friend could clue them in. After all, gotta get them numbers up.

Kevin Chapman fatally shot during attempted home invasion

Police have identified the man shot and killed during an attempted home invasion in Huntingtown late Sunday. A second suspect has been taken into custody.

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Police say Kevin Wayne Chapman and April Lynn Stewart had planned to rob a retired D.C. police officer at his home. According to the Calvert County Sheriff's Office, the two started banging on the front door around 10:30 p.m. and were greeted by the retired officer armed with a handgun.

When the suspects made aggressive movements, the retired officer fired shots, fatally striking Chapman. Stewart fled in a vehicle and was found at Chapman's home Monday and charged with armed robbery.

Police say Chapman had previously worked for a service company that performed work at the retired officer's home.

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IN ONE YEAR (all ages)

Almost 100,000 people in America

are shot in murders, assaults, suicides, accidents, or by police intervention.

31,593 people died from gun violence

12,179 people murdered.

18,223 people killed themselves. 592 people killed accidentally.

326 killed by police intervention.

273 died but intent was not known.

IN ONE YEAR (ages 0-19)

66,769 people survived gun injuries

44,466 people injured in an attack.

3,013 people injured in a suicide attempt. 18,610 people shot accidentally.

679 people shot in a police intervention.

 Almost 20,000 American children and teens

are shot in murders, assaults, suicides, accidents, or by police intervention.

2,966 kids died from gun violence

2,037 children and teens murdered.

748 kids killed themselves.

123 children and teens killed accidentally. 19 killed by police intervention.

39 died but the intent was unknown.

14,008 kids survived gun injuries

10,038 injured in an attack.

165 injured in a suicide attempt. 3,588 shot accidentally.

218 shot in a police intervention.

EVERY DAY (on average)

Every day, 270 people in America, 47 of them children and teens

are shot in murders, assaults, suicides, accidents, and police intervention. Every day, 87 people die from gun violence, 33 of them murdered. Every day, 8 children and teens die from gun violence.

Every day, 183 people are shot, but survive their gun injuries.

Every day, 38 children and teens are shot, but survive their gun injuries.



This average annual estimated composite picture of gun violence is based on death certificates and estimates from emergency room admissions. Years for deaths and for injuries are not the same because of reporting lags. Source: CDC National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (2008 (deaths) and 2009 (injuries), most recent year available as of 10/3/2011),
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A 6-year-old Toms River boy was shot in the head with a .22 caliber rifle early tonight while in the yard of a 4-year-old neighbor, police said.

Officials said the wounded boy was taken by medevac to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune, where he was reportedly in stable condition.

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mother of the 4-year-old boy called police after the shooting, police said.

Toms River Police Chief Michael Mastronardy said the incident occurred shortly before 7 p.m. in the side yard of the 4-year-old boy’s house.

Mastronardy said it was his understanding that the 4-year-old got the rifle from inside his house, and that was when he went outside and one shot was fired in the side yard.
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At least 14 people were wounded in an apparent stabbing attack on a Houston-area college campus Tuesday, authorities said.
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Bruv;1424048 wrote: At least 14 people were wounded in an apparent stabbing attack on a Houston-area college campus Tuesday, authorities said.




It's really strange how many stabbing stories seem to have popped up recently, isn't it?



Maybe we are just noticing them.:thinking:
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Ahso!;1424153 wrote: 3357


Did they count this one?

Westbank store owner shoots armed robber

The Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office says an armed robber is in the hospital in critical condition after a foiled robbery attempt at a Westbank restaurant.



According to JPSO spokesman Col. John Fortunato, a suspect entered a sandwich shop on Barataria just before 11:30 p.m. Saturday. Fortunato says the suspect came in through a back door and was armed with a shotgun.



Police say the robber first pointed his shotgun at an employee cleaning the business and ordered the employee to the front of the business. The store owner heard the commotion and looked around the corner to find the suspect pointing the shotgun at him, according to investigators.



As the robber turned to move toward the owner, witnesses say the employee began struggling with the robber over the shotgun. As the struggle ensued, the store owner armed himself with a handgun and began firing at the suspect, according to police.



Fortunato says the suspect fled out the back door and was later found lying near the rear of the restaurant. The suspect was taken to a local hospital with several gunshot wounds, and remains in critical condition.



The employee who struggled with the robber was also shot in the arms. Fortunato tells WWL First News that the store owner in all likelihood hit the employee as he was firing at the robber. The employee was not seriously injured by the gunfire and was treated and released from a local hospital, according to Fortunato.
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That's one hell of an employee. (S)he deserves a raise. Hell, (s)he deserves a share in the profits, too!
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Too bad the robber fooled himself into believing a gun gave him the power to steal. Too bad he had access to guns.
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He also had access to the store owner's money, or would have.
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Did Salon count this one?

Robber shot dead by would-be victim outside Ft. Worth store

FORT WORTH, Texas -

A would-be robber was shot dead by a person with a concealed handgun license outside a Metro PCS store in the 7400 block of Wichita St. in Ft. Worth on Tuesday afternoon.

Investigators say Desmond Paige, 20, tried to rob a man using Craigslist. The would-be victim brought his gun to the sale just in case.

The man with the CHL was shot in the arm and the hand by the robber, but Paige was shot multiple times in the chest.

Paige died at the scene.

"When I got over to him I saw that he was bleeding out of his mouth and his chest. So I kneeled down next to him just to say you know hey I'm here you know, hold on. The ambulance and police are coming," said one witness.

Paige claimed on Cragslist he had a cell phone to sell. Police said when Paige tried to rob the man, the man pulled his gun and shot Paige several times.

Paige was recently released from prison after serving time for a violent crime and was on parole.


I find it difficult to believe that it was legal for this guy to own a gun. But then again for sure robbery is illegal.
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tude dog;1424911 wrote: Did Salon count this one?

Robber shot dead by would-be victim outside Ft. Worth store



I find it difficult to believe that it was legal for this guy to own a gun. But then again for sure robbery is illegal.You just don't realize that with every one of your silly examples you make my point, do you?
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Ahso!;1424925 wrote: You just don't realize that with every one of your silly examples you make my point, do you?


uH, it is apparent I don't know just what your point is.

I can tell you what my point is.

You, as I said before cling on to a post by Salon.com regarding deaths by firearm without context. My posts are to put firearm deaths in perspective.

I find it truly chickenchit to jump on the tragedy at Sandy Hook to promote your agenda. As it is a count since then.

The FBI keep count of all deaths due to firearms, without the help of Salon.com.

We already know what to expect.

Do we have a lot of violence in this country? To be sure we do.

Shame is on those who jump on the bodies of innocent children to promote their cause.
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Shame on those who dismiss it. Your parroting of the NRA accusation spin doesn't make it relevant, no matter how many times you repeat it.

It's Slate, btw. No surprise, however. Comprehension isn't your strong suit.
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Ahso!;1424949 wrote: Shame on those who dismiss it.


You mean dismissing Slate as being opportunistic? Not only do I dismiss them, but loath them for their despicable use of Newtown murders.

Ahso!;1424949 wrote: Your parroting of the NRA accusation spin doesn't make it relevant, no matter how many times you repeat it.


Really? I'll take your word for it as I have no idea what the NRA has said about that useless count by Slate.

Ahso!;1424949 wrote: It's Slate, btw. No surprise, however. Comprehension isn't your strong suit.


Thanks for the correction, but you are mistaken.

Comprehension isn't a problem as I fully understand Slate has nothing stunning to say, hence their jumping on the Newtown murders to promote their anti gun rights agenda.

So I confused Slate, Salon. My apologies to neither. I'll probably do it again.
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tude dog;1424939 wrote: [QUOTE=Ahso!;1424925]You just don't realize that with every one of your silly examples you make my point, do you?uH, it is apparent I don't know just what your point is.
Ahso, why don't you explain your point? Or, more typical of you, why not make an insipid comment as you duck actually saying anything valid?
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You two are just talking out your ass because your mouth knows better.
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Ahso!;1424979 wrote: You two are just talking out your ass because your mouth knows better.
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You certainly got at least that much right. Pat yourself on the back.
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Matched Deaths: 3,530 or more since Newtown

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two Boston Bomber suspects was counted. At least Salon/Slate seemed to get that one on their count. Can't tell for sure as they, Slate/Salon offer few leads to the body count. But to them, it doesn't matter if it is the Boston Bomber, or a drug dealer, all are equal to a child murdered at Sandy Hook.
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accountable;1424989 wrote: wow. I'm in the wrong profession.




pfft...:yh_rotfl
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tude dog;1424996 wrote: Matched Deaths: 3,530 or more since Newtown

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two Boston Bomber suspects was counted.


Now I see

"Sean Collier" on the list. He was the police officer murdered, presumably for his gun by the Tsarnaev brothers. By the logic of Slate and like minded folk, there is no moral difference.
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tude dog;1425297 wrote: Now I see

"Sean Collier" on the list. He was the police officer murdered, presumably for his gun by the Tsarnaev brothers. By the logic of Slate and like minded folk, there is no moral difference.Ah, you're beginning to get it. It's strictly reporting the numbers. Took long enough.
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