Why isn't illegal immigration enforced?!!

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PLEASE remove that address and tag number, then we can discuss. thanks.
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Thanks, and welcome to FG....have you tried INS? the problem is often that there are simply not enough agents to keep up with such a HUGE influx of illegals, and the local police really can't do anything until they commit a crime. i know in my state we will then notify INS and they will be held in one of our jails until deportation can be processed. if they are employed it's always fun to drop a dime to the IRS. (the gift that keeps on giving :D ) one other option is the US state dept. which issues /regulates passports. further, the DMV can get involved with the drivers license issue.
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Not to drift from the thread or anything but with all our troops spread all over the world it's no surprise the southern border is a free for all. I think we should demand our troops/Natl Guardsmen and other 1st responders be pulled out of all the foreign civil wars our Great Leader has ignited and post them along OUR borders. Problem Solved. NEW PROBLEM: There is no money in guarding our own borders. So don't hold your breath, unless you are a Republican!
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rementor wrote: I had contact with a Mexican family that crossed the border illegally. They brag anout having fake passports & having driving licenses from another state (NC) although they've been living in SC for over 5 yrs.

I called the Local police & they sent me to another police station. I have sent several e-mails including their address & drivers license plates & that family of illegals are still in this country.

I also tries reporting them by going to the bcis.gov site & couldn't find a link to report illegals.

Is the immigration only enforced at the border?





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The Mexican phenomenon has been going on since America lifted a lot of the territories from the Spanish. It is expensive to house and feed them until deportation. A lot of quibbling about who is to pay with their budget.

The Mexican workers also do and take a lot of jobs that Americans won't. They are not above doing manual labour for their living if it will make their lives better. Considering what they left they are in heaven. The free trade is doing a lot of things for the economy but some employers don't mind exploiting a cheaper work force for the maximization of their profits

As to the false id etc. Bad move on their part but worse by those that gave them the forged documents for bucks. lc gave you the right info to get the job done.
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If Mexico weren't controlled by a corporate criminal (Fox) backed by the US, ensuring that poverty and corruption continue, we will not see the problem solved. The US corporations that make billions off the cheap labor, poor working conditions and corrupt infrastructure will ensure no change in the yearning of Mexican workers needing to risk their lives to flee to the US. US consumers buy these products and feed the cycle. Reactionary racists use this problem to further their cause which is disguised but known as "White Power" to the rest of us.
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David813 wrote: If Mexico weren't controlled by a corporate criminal (Fox) backed by the US, ensuring that poverty and corruption continue, we will not see the problem solved. The US corporations that make billions off the cheap labor, poor working conditions and corrupt infrastructure will ensure no change in the yearning of Mexican workers needing to risk their lives to flee to the US. US consumers buy these products and feed the cycle. Reactionary racists use this problem to further their cause which is disguised but known as "White Power" to the rest of us.

Then you have to take into consideration the North American Free Trade Act. This allows even more integration of the commerce as in the Mexican, heavier polluting, trucks being allowed into the interior of the US.

I used to remember what it was like to cross the border into Mexico from Texas or California. From the land of dreams of the white picket fences into the bordello. It was/is disgusting! As a Canadian I resented that people could be used that way. Especially the women. They were kept in good supply through being able to move into the interior of the country that was marked by recruiting young girls(children) from the poverty ridden, over populated peasant fathers and mothers. :-4
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I too am opposed to NAFTA. A victory to big business and a green light to institutionalizing exploitation and many other ills. I visited San Diego a few years back and having never been to Mexico, decided to walk over the border to bustling Tijuana. Talk about culture shock. From pristine S.D. to filthy poverty ridden Tijuana. There is literally a visible line on the sidewalk with the bright white concrete clashing with the dirty sludge brown of the other side. White SUV's perched on the hilltops around the area, looking for economic refugees. It was startling. Worse than the conditions in Ecuador. Kids easily under 5 in diapers, covered in filth and carrying styrofoam cups begging for coins. These conditions must be addressed by the US. Mexico has the wealth and resources to thrive on it's own and provide a decent life for it's people. The US must end the economic stranglehold it has on that country's future. Rebellion cannot be far off.
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David813 wrote: I too am opposed to NAFTA. A victory to big business and a green light to institutionalizing exploitation and many other ills. I visited San Diego a few years back and having never been to Mexico, decided to walk over the border to bustling Tijuana. Talk about culture shock. From pristine S.D. to filthy poverty ridden Tijuana. There is literally a visible line on the sidewalk with the bright white concrete clashing with the dirty sludge brown of the other side. White SUV's perched on the hilltops around the area, looking for economic refugees. It was startling. Worse than the conditions in Ecuador. Kids easily under 5 in diapers, covered in filth and carrying styrofoam cups begging for coins. These conditions must be addressed by the US. Mexico has the wealth and resources to thrive on it's own and provide a decent life for it's people. The US must end the economic stranglehold it has on that country's future. Rebellion cannot be far off.

You're getting a little emotional and irrational there fella. This isn't the land of political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. Making sure that people get out to vote is the real rebellion.

It is sickening but it is as bad or worse in other countries. It is a culture that allows itself to be exploited because that means that those being exploited would at least be able to be alive to enjoy the poverty. Another sad fact of the human condition.

NAFTA is the means of getting people out of the economic deprivaton that is the norm of the style of democracy as is practiced there. Fox is far better than the others. Change always comes from within. The intermingling of the vehicular commerce allows others to see what it looks like as opposed to fantasizing what the dream is. We all know where fantasies get you.
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2 miles from me, 9 illegal immigrants were found living in one house. Problem is, our facility to hold them only houses 80 illegal immigrants and it is already over the limit by 13.
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Border Deputy wrote: I am very disturbed about the lack of security at the Mexican border, I offer this suggestion: We shoud all inform our elected officials in Washington that we will not re-elect them if they fail to take positive action on this matter: Then, we should get this word out to as many people we possible can and maybe those officials will heed our demand. It is a very serious matter that demands attention.

How do they expect a jury to find an American guilty of a crime, while neglecting to enforce the illegals of the crime of being in our country and violating our immigration laws?

I saw an al-Jazeera news show that documented several Arab Islamic extremists operating in Mexico. They stated they'll pass for Mexicans and have easy access to our country from the porous border. That is scary. Overall though I see people that are raving mad about this issue as racists chomping at the bit to have the opportunity to kill some Mexicans. White supremacists already post violent members there. Vigilantism is a deadly disease. The people of Mexico aren't my enemies. The Bush Administration is.
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Border Deputy wrote: I am very disturbed about the lack of security at the Mexican border, I offer this suggestion: We shoud all inform our elected officials in Washington that we will not re-elect them if they fail to take positive action on this matter: Then, we should get this word out to as many people we possible can and maybe those officials will heed our demand. It is a very serious matter that demands attention.

How do they expect a jury to find an American guilty of a crime, while neglecting to enforce the illegals of the crime of being in our country and violating our immigration laws?

One of the things that I noticed about the Mex/Am border is that a lot of the people that donate to political campaigns are the people that use the cheap labour that is supplied by the Mexican peons.

As adamant as they may be, when they are seeking office, you know that the words are really empty. Add to this the necessity of the labour that these poverty ridden individuals supply. Americans do not like to do labour intensive jobs. It is beneath them and should be supplied by those that aren't as good, deserving or intelligent as they are. (don't get me wrong because there are lots of Americans who would, if they were willing to work for the lower wages that these people are given as their standard pay, perform the work if they could get into this closed shop atmosphere that is filled with the Mexican, Guatemalan, Ecuadoran etc workers)

This has been going on for years and years and will go on for years and years until Americans face up to the fact that these people are needed. As nice as the affluent owners tend to be in social circumstances they are the ones that are creating the problem because they want their bottom line in the balance sheets to be more black in their favour.

As much as the owners would like for the peons to continue to do the menial work by having children that will supply the labour for their businesses it won't happen because these children are Americans who are just not going to do the menial, unpaying jobs. They will seek the better life that is owed to them as their birthright because they know, through experience, that they don't pay enough.
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mtedora wrote: quite simply there are Powers greater than those we're TOLD are in power, {those who were actually voted in and "appointed in"} - and it is THESE Powers who have inordinate control over the Political Parties, and always have. i'm not talking any Alien Illuminati Rosicrucian Axis kinda sh**, i'm talking about the Super-Opulent BUSINESS CLASS. it's the same people the FEDERALIST PAPERS were written for! they are still here, still evil, and still looooooove their slave labor- problem is, they can't legally HAVE slave labor anymore, so they take the next best thing: dirt cheap 3rd World labor. THIS is why Illegals are not only allowed into the U.S. , but are immediately given Federal Housing AND Food Stamps AND General Assistance Checks too! this at the expense of the tax-paying populace, AND MILLIONS of Homeless AMERICANS!






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The UK

Interesting to see a lot of you Americans feel your borders are unprotected and immigration laws not enforced.

I thought the Bush administration with its emphasis on fighting terror would be wise to control US borders, my assumption is wrong, probably because i have hitherto failed to account for corporate interests (cheap labour etc).

However, your Gov`t cannot be as useless as our socialist "loonies" - New Labour and the EU with its socialist world view and agenda.

New Labour has instigated mass immigration - work permits (for unskilled labour) increased from 40 000 p.a. to over 200 000 p.a - this on top of opening borders to 70 plus million new europeans - most looking for "work"

They say UK needs waiters/cleaners etc

They say nothing about the fact that such jobs are not taken by natives because of low pay. Immigrants by and large tend to take these jobs only until they are given "undefinite leave to remain" (like your Green card) and then go straight to the local Benefit office

The result - more people relying on Benefits, NHS (tax payer) and guess what happens to those "unfillable" vacancies? Yep, another bunch of immigrants are brought in, who become "legal" (or entitled to benefit), do as the natives do, quit work since they get more from the tax payer - and the whole viciuous cycle continues.....

UK Asylum

UK has a problem here - millions of Asylum Seekers have arrived and continue to arrive

Of those who officially claim Asylum, some 75% are refused upon close inspection of their tales - that is despite multiple appeals taking place. Thus most AS are found to be bogus - they are economic migrants not asylum seekers. However such people cannot be deported - and usually stay in UK illegally - the UK has millions of illegal immigrants who under the UK all encompassing Human Rights Laws claim "rights" and end up costing the tax payer £billions. Furthermore such people wait, bidding their time so after 7 years they can use human rights to effectively force the Gov`t to give them legality.

Where UK Gov`t tries to deport or control borders, the EU almost always thwarts any such moves.

The UN convention, the Dublin Treaty etc mean UK is "stuffed"!

The Gov`t pay lip service to any concerns about immigration or dismisses people as "racists"

The Gov`t has actively encouraged abuse of UK immigration laws - Beverley Hughes a home office minister had to resign when caught for instance.

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I think this abbreviated piece from the BBC is relevant to this thread.....

We hve a fair amount of employees from other countries where i work.....everyone gets the same pay...



Ferries company 'could collapse'



"The Isle of Inishmore has been in Pembroke Dock since Thursday

Irish Ferries could collapse if an agreement is not reached between management and unions, the Irish deputy prime minister has warned.

Mary Harney said the dispute, which has kept two ferries in Welsh ports for five days, put the future of the company at risk.

Crews on the ships are protesting at plans to replace staff with cheaper workers from abroad.

The company said it had to bring in foreign staff to remain competitive. "
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ArnoldLayne wrote: I dont have a problem with so called Economic Migrants, I have worked with quite a few . Providing they work hard and make a contribution thats fine by me .My experience with those that I've worked along side has been favourable and encouraging, there are many many indiginous British who would prefer to sit on their backside and claim benefits.

Illegal immigrants are a problem of course and the European Court of Human Rights is just one of the obstacles that prevent deportation. Any crininal activity , however minor should see deportation after a prison sentence. And benefits should be much more difficult to claim than it seems to be. ( I am having a period of intermittant work/unemployment but I am entitled to nothing what so ever and have to use my savings untill work picks up again )



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The UKs population numbers have gone up by 4 million in a decade. UK is densely populated.

UK needs economic migrants only if they can contribute. UK needs skilled labour - doctors, nurses....

It makes sense to welcome skilled people, not unskilled people who cannot survive on low wages in the UK given it is a high expenditure country. Inevitably though it is no fault of theirs, such unskilled immigrants simply add to the already overburdened welfare states woes -

They like the unskilled natives rely on the state "cradle to grave" fro everything.

This means ill thought out mass immigration simply adds to the burden on the tax payer.

Given UK taxes are among the highest in the world and being increased by New Labour... where do you draw the line? How much can you keep raising taxes by?

Asylum Seekers

A person claiming asylum needs to be a refugee fleeing persecution as defined by the 1951 Geneva Convention - the problem is the vastmajority of so called asylum seekers are in effect using the asylum system to enter the UK on false pretences....... this makes a mockery of the asylum system and casts doubt on the principle of asylum.

Put simply the UK gov`t has no asylum policy - it is a shambles.

When you consider these factors in total you may be tempted to say the UK has lost control if its borders to people traffickers, the vast asylum industry (many of whom do very well out of asylum given the £billions spent on legal aid and benefits and advice etc), the EU and the UN.......

The UK public want tight controls and are also ignored.

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This thread gives me a sort of good feeling of commaraderie. The indigenous poor can't find work because immigrants take the low-pay jobs (increases unemployment rate). The immigrants can't live on the low wages and depend on welfare to make ends meet (increases welfare rolls/costs). Don't the business owners realize they are likely shelling out more to pay low wages and increasing numbers on welfare than if they offered higher pay to indigenous labor and kept illegal immigrants out?

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