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I'm puting this in social issues and news because I think that the lack of interest associated with education is very much a concern...

I've been one to feel that education is the single most powerful attribute you can have...

I'd saved this in the hopes we'd implement an education section to the forum but such hasn't come to fruition...

Well obviously not everyone is as smart as others in the exact same areas of their cognition...No one needs a teacher if they have the ability to contemplate and constructively apply themselves accumulatively without bias towards their reasoning...

All teachers are needed for is to romanticize the importance of learning as opposed to the misguided belief that they're going to make a child smarter...It's impossible to make a child smarter...It is however possible to educate a child...And like I've said,..this is only done effectively when the emphasis to make a child smarter is lost and the suggestive overtures begin...

Most of the time you see kids being forced to learn the exact same curriculum which is why they tend to get bored with school all too fast...This is because the school system doesn't allow for children to pick and choose what it is they want to learn because their investment is too much of a risk to allow such a gradient...It gives one of two consequences...1) It either creates a curved grading structure from which makes it extremely difficult for that society to progress or 2) You allow children to create their own learning processes from which the worst case scenario a society working below it's current contingency...

Society doesn't want to take that chance...Which is why you see such added incentive associated with higher educational learning...They feel higher educational learning with a capitalist entity cancels out the unenthusiastic...In a degree it does...

But what's needed, and coming from a high school drop out I feel I have as much credibility as anyone, is an emphasis on the freedoms of education at the same time veering from such a lulled state of complete and utter boredom...No one likes being lectured...

What's needed is a complete reform of the education system...I suggest taking away the added hours devoted to the same old curriculum that gets passed down from generation to generation...More activity is needed...I would have two gym sessions every day for kids aged 5-12, digressing to one gym session per day for kids aged 13 and above...One gym session would emphasize calisthenics, and the other gym session would be primarily sports activities...Also,..I would have one hour out of the day for educational learning by use of telecommunication...One tv per class room set for educational learning by form of television with one day out of the week being dispersed by virtue of subjects...Monday being science day etc... etc......

Make learning more fun...It's not a proposal it's the simple truth. By lunch time these kids are ready to go home because it's the same tired crap they have to learn every day...

One day out of the week would specifically be designated for "civics day"...Everything fathomable one could think of that would benefit children of all ages in being schooled in how their local government works...I'm not talking about text books...I'm talking about real live activities everyday that reflect every working correlation of branches within each government added by discussions on what they feel is the reasoning behind the laws being imposed, how it is those laws are enforced, and what's the best solution to voting for peoples to whom you feel should make those laws...EVERYDAY!!!...Not this once every month BS where the only thing the kids take from it is a discussion about how "I played judge today in school" at the dinner table only to say "I got to pound a cool red hammer" upon being asked what they'd learned...

The kids aren't not learning from these things because it takes away from the predictable curriculum,..they don't learn from these things upon the instances from which what I've said being implemented because they don't get to have fun with it consistently enough to keep them from saying "School sucks -- I think I'm going to just drop out"...

So my question is, what do you think can be implemented into your school systems that would make education something more desirable at a younger age as opposed to when they're 25 years old and realize the only real things in life are love, health, and education?...
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K.Snyder;970560 wrote: I'm puting this in social issues and news because I think that the lack of interest associated with education is very much a concern...

I've been one to feel that education is the single most powerful attribute you can have...

I'd saved this in the hopes we'd implement an education section to the forum but such hasn't come to fruition...

Well obviously not everyone is as smart as others in the exact same areas of their cognition...No one needs a teacher if they have the ability to contemplate and constructively apply themselves accumulatively without bias towards their reasoning...

All teachers are needed for is to romanticize the importance of learning as opposed to the misguided belief that they're going to make a child smarter...It's impossible to make a child smarter...It is however possible to educate a child...And like I've said,..this is only done effectively when the emphasis to make a child smarter is lost and the suggestive overtures begin...

Most of the time you see kids being forced to learn the exact same curriculum which is why they tend to get bored with school all too fast...This is because the school system doesn't allow for children to pick and choose what it is they want to learn because their investment is too much of a risk to allow such a gradient...It gives one of two consequences...1) It either creates a curved grading structure from which makes it extremely difficult for that society to progress or 2) You allow children to create their own learning processes from which the worst case scenario a society working below it's current contingency...

Society doesn't want to take that chance...Which is why you see such added incentive associated with higher educational learning...They feel higher educational learning with a capitalist entity cancels out the unenthusiastic...In a degree it does...

But what's needed, and coming from a high school drop out I feel I have as much credibility as anyone, is an emphasis on the freedoms of education at the same time veering from such a lulled state of complete and utter boredom...No one likes being lectured...

What's needed is a complete reform of the education system...I suggest taking away the added hours devoted to the same old curriculum that gets passed down from generation to generation...More activity is needed...I would have two gym sessions every day for kids aged 5-12, digressing to one gym session per day for kids aged 13 and above...One gym session would emphasize calisthenics, and the other gym session would be primarily sports activities...Also,..I would have one hour out of the day for educational learning by use of telecommunication...One tv per class room set for educational learning by form of television with one day out of the week being dispersed by virtue of subjects...Monday being science day etc... etc......

Make learning more fun...It's not a proposal it's the simple truth. By lunch time these kids are ready to go home because it's the same tired crap they have to learn every day...

One day out of the week would specifically be designated for "civics day"...Everything fathomable one could think of that would benefit children of all ages in being schooled in how their local government works...I'm not talking about text books...I'm talking about real live activities everyday that reflect every working correlation of branches within each government added by discussions on what they feel is the reasoning behind the laws being imposed, how it is those laws are enforced, and what's the best solution to voting for peoples to whom you feel should make those laws...EVERYDAY!!!...Not this once every month BS where the only thing the kids take from it is a discussion about how "I played judge today in school" at the dinner table only to say "I got to pound a cool red hammer" upon being asked what they'd learned...

The kids aren't not learning from these things because it takes away from the predictable curriculum,..they don't learn from these things upon the instances from which what I've said being implemented because they don't get to have fun with it consistently enough to keep them from saying "School sucks -- I think I'm going to just drop out"...

So my question is, what do you think can be implemented into your school systems that would make education something more desirable at a younger age as opposed to when they're 25 years old and realize the only real things in life are love, health, and education?...


Children as not able to make the decisions you suggest in terms of not having a structured course of study...up to a point.

First, we need to get back to basics. I hire people today (high school and college graduates) who can barely read, write or spell and that effectively means they go no where even if they are smart.

Further, ask some younger Americans to find countries or even states on a map, many simply can't and in a closer world knowing something about that world is crucial.

History both US and World is critical because much of what we see happening today has its roots in the past and we need to understand that..do the Crusades ring a bell?

I agree with you on a good Civics class but also some basics on money and finance.

A good teacher can make this exciting and stimulating, but we also need better ways to keep teachers motivated rather than going through the motions after several years on the job. I am sure it can be a frustrating job and heavens knows many of today's parents are of little help or worse.

"My son should be in advanced classes what does him getting Cs have to do with it?"

In my view the fundamental problem with education today is not the teachers, it is the parents and the disfunctional family that distracts children, does not support them and does not hold them accountable.

My daughter was a teacher and one day she called the parents of a six year old in for a conference because the child was having numerous problems. The mother said in front of the child, "You called me in for this, I am going to school myself and I don't have time for this. I have enough problems of my own."

You bet you do lady. :-1
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Back to basics is right on the money. Reading , writing, and math.

I dont think education is a waste of time..the more you learn the broader your mind becomes. I transferred from a big city school to a small country school when i was in the ninth grade. To make a point..when i applied to college and took my sats..the dean of the college flat out told me there is no way i scored that high coming out of that highschool..:wah: I am not the smarted cookie by any means but i was questioned twice after that after receiving outstanding scores in classes that most fail. i just happened to like the classes..:p



Reading is important ..you can go to so many places and experience so many things in the written word..i am shocked at the number of people i know who never pick up a book. :-1 To me, its like deliberately letting your mind gather dust. and oh what a waste of so much talent and enjoyment.
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Education is very important...it's the schooling I have problems with.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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The problem is in figuring out how to give kids the "want to" to learn. how do you make it exciting..make it something that drives them to learn..for me, it was always the threat of losing my sight..something that has hung over my head most of my life..(specialists have told me since i was seven, it could go at anytime. when i was twenty three , one told me it would be gone within a year..) hah!! not yet..but that always gave me the push to read, read ,read..and learn while i could..
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote: Children as not able to make the decisions you suggest in terms of not having a structured course of study...up to a point.

First, we need to get back to basics. I hire people today (high school and college graduates) who can barely read, write or spell and that effectively means they go no where even if they are smart.

Further, ask some younger Americans to find countries or even states on a map, many simply can't and in a closer world knowing something about that world is crucial.My emphasis is to make education more tolerant to children enabeling them to learn more efficiently...One of two variables as far as I'm concerned...1)I'm giving too much credit to children and their ability to learn 2) I'm not giving enough credit to the school system...Seeing as how I myself never liked going to school, hardly ever did my homework and only looked forward to recess you can understand how I lean towards 1)...

QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote:

I agree with you on a good Civics class but also some basics on money and finance. Well sure...There you go...Incorporate finance into mathematics...Not only have you taught these children mathematics but you've given them a very sufficient perspective upon our economy...;)...And it was fun to boot!!!...

QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote:

A good teacher can make this exciting and stimulating, but we also need better ways to keep teachers motivated rather than going through the motions after several years on the job. I am sure it can be a frustrating job and heavens knows many of today's parents are of little help or worse. Well I think the teachers can get just as burned out as the children...To clarify I'm not exactly criticizing the teachers rather the school curriculum...I think incorporating what I've brought to the table along with the money and finance idea is a good start to satisfying both the teachers and the children...I think breaking each day up into categorized curriculum would help with the hours ultimately taxes being of no concern...

QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote:

"My son should be in advanced classes what does him getting Cs have to do with it?"

In my view the fundamental problem with education today is not the teachers, it is the parents and the disfunctional family that distracts children, does not support them and does not hold them accountable. I understand to a degree but I can't wholeheartedly agree on this...I mean I am dead serious when I tell you I never did any of my school work in class and I was always talking...I wouldn't for a minute consider myself an extremely intelligent person but I know I'm no dumb***...I have no idea how I've picked up on alot of things in school because all of the way from kindergarten after having written my names on other kids' school work(after having erased theirs only to get caught being lazy enough to not take into consideration every paper is two dimensional) all of the way through High School only going three days a week and on those days I went in at noon...Hence my "Romanticizing the importance of education"...

QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote:

My daughter was a teacher and one day she called the parents of a six year old in for a conference because the child was having numerous problems. The mother said in front of the child, "You called me in for this, I am going to school myself and I don't have time for this. I have enough problems of my own."

You bet you do lady. :-1You're right parents need to help teach their children...I'm a firm believer in the importance of an educated society however...Especially a big one from which the hiring and firing of employees consists of the mere reading of an application a few questions and Bam!!! you're in the door...
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;970633 wrote: Children as not able to make the decisions you suggest in terms of not having a structured course of study...up to a point.




Also I hadn't really meant to allow them to choose wholeheartedly rather make it a sort of 50-50 thing...

Perhaps something like after having veered out of he civics part of the day they'd conduct a vote very much resembling the voting system within said country from a set of choices being presented...Each set of choices would be campaigned by individuals(Obviously randomly upon each instance so as to ensure equilibrium) and not only have they learned the voting system but they've learned to accept the power of the majority giving them a very enlightening perspective associated with rights at the same time encouraging them to create better propositions...Creating a classroom with endless possibilities...

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guppy;970648 wrote:

Reading is important ..you can go to so many places and experience so many things in the written word..i am shocked at the number of people i know who never pick up a book. :-1 To me, its like deliberately letting your mind gather dust. and oh what a waste of so much talent and enjoyment.


This is my point...How do we romanticize education to change "i am shocked at the number of people i know who never pick up a book." to "i am shocked at the number of people i know who pick up a book."...



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Ideas?...
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There seems to be alot of teachers on this board...

Do you use and believe in TBL or Team Based Learning?

I think more teachers/schools should adopt any way to help make learning more enjoyable and I do believe this can be very effective given a teachers ability to get children to cooperate respectively...

Simple

If children do not cooperate they will be excommunicated from the group.

I think children can learn alot about social environments in the work place as well, and may even serve to help kids deal with those demands prior to having to deal with them while taking on much more of a responsibility
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How were all of you taught?
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Interesting points K.

IMO education is what happens when we try to market and product-ize "learning." The emphasis changes from the primary person doing the activity (learning) to the assistant (the teacher). Because you can't sell learners, but you can sell education, or even extort the price for it.

Most all education, aside from possibly hands-on trades, could be replaced by a trip to the local library, and tests for certification. Unfortunately that approach doesn't suck up as money from people though (maximizing profits), so in capitalism it's a non-starter. Ultimately all a high school/college degree will do is act as a boy-scout merit badge that certifies a level of endurance ... that you can withstand a measured amount of mental and financial punishment over a period of 4, 6, or 8 years. :)

Interestingly, some of the wealthiest people dropped out college.
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fuzzywuzzy;1273622 wrote: How were all of you taught?


I remember school being very boring and very unmotivated/ing...At least that was my impression...

I never cared about what the teacher was saying but I did watch the television programs they'd play for us. Sadly those programs were very few and far between. Every classroom I was in had a television so why aren't they used more? I know there can be alot of educational programs that can get through to children at the same time cutting the work load of alot of teachers..."Unethical"? BLAH!

Refusing to teach a child is unethical not stereotypical cynicism...

Gym class was highly non-vigorous...I grew up as a kid in the inner city with my sports coaches emphasizing to an extreme physical conditioning...Practices sucked but we won every game! Oh sorry, the relevance...This means going from exercising quite moderately to a bunch of stretching and jumping jacks was BOGUS! in the suburbs!

To me, a child that is physically active IS ALWAYS a healthy child!! <----I'm not yelling at you I'm yelling AT THEM!!!!!!!! :yh_wink

Keep the kids physically active and not strapped to a desk all day is what I say!
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Yes, kids need the physical activities, to run around, play sports, something else besides the book learning.

They need the extra curricular subjects too: art, music, and other areas of interest.

I can see the hardest and most disruptive students be absolute angels in a band class-they love music. It is good to see this side of them. Maybe because I sit in the band once or twice a week and play with them, they are much better for me than in other classes. (they love my purple piccolo when I take it out)
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