EU Rules Seek to Force Britain to Give Criminals a Vote the AA grumpy column

Post by **pantoandy** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:59 am

hello and welcome to another AA grumpy column as unmissable as cat **** on the carpet.

the unelected eu eurocrats are at it again this time they want to pass a law which gives jailed convicts a vote.

A European Union ruling on the right to vote will soon overturn traditional British law which denies killers, rapists, thieves and paedophiles the right to vote.

The European Court of Human Rights is forcing the UK to change its 140-year-old law which bans inmates from voting. Under the new law, which is currently “under consultation,” prisoners could be able to have postal votes from their prison cells.

In 2007, prisoners sentenced to less than four years included 154 convicted of manslaughter, 10,060 convicted of wounding, 78 rapists and 1,425 other sex offenders.

The Ministry of Justice has written a consultation paper which covers the options. The proposal is “open-ended”, which means no type of prisoner has yet been ruled out.

The British National Party’s spokesman on policing matters, former Metropolitan police inspector Mr Michael Barnbrook, has expressed his outrage at the move.

“How many more sensible laws and traditions does the EU want to destroy?” Mr Barnbrook said.

“There is a very good reason why people who have been convicted of those horrendous crimes are not allowed to vote - through their deeds they have abrogated their rights in society.

“The thought of a paedophile being able to vote for the public representatives of a family whose life they have destroyed, is too horrendous to even contemplate,” he said.

“The time has come to get rid of the EU monstrosity before it destroys everything that is British and undermines all our moral codes and norms.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/eu-rules-seek ... -the-vote/

AAG

is this a case of the lunatics taking over the asylum?

to my mind if you transgress society and put in jail you are excluded from society for the term of your prison sentence.

so why should we give in the the eu or the mamby pamby beard and sandals

lib dem voting handwringing do gooders ? i thought prisons were there to punish you

now they have tv,s sinks and toilets in their cells a far cry from ronnie barkers slop out bucket and jug and bowl

whatever next weekend leave nights out or daytrips to the seaside GRRRRRRR:-5

AAG

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:31 am

Under the new law, which is currently â€œunder consultation,â€ prisoners could be able to have postal votes from their prison cells.

In other words it isn't Law, this is BNP scaremongering. You are writing as if it is law, when it isn't. This is called telling lies and absolutely typical of the sort of thing I expect from the BNP: lies and half truths. Going to tell us all the country's problems are the fault of a despised minority, next?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:35 am

Clodhopper;1173444 wrote: In other words it isn't Law, this is BNP scaremongering. You are writing as if it is law, when it isn't. This is called telling lies and absolutely typical of the sort of thing I expect from the BNP: lies and half truths. Going to tell us all the country's problems are the fault of a despised minority, next? It's not lie's, This debate has been going on for years......... Have you researched the BNP??

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:10 am

Oscar: I'm afraid that pantoandy has either been misled or is being "economical with the actualite". A consultation paper is NOT law: it is exactly what it says it is:

http://http://www.justice.gov.uk/consul ... ations.htm

The above is a link to current consultation papers. The one pantoandy refers to is there.

For those who don't want to get involved in web research, consultation papers are, "...papers containing proposals for change and new policies, which invite the public to comment within a given time period." (the first line on the page of the website referred to.)

I think "research" would be too strong a word to describe what I've being doing with the BNP, "keeping a vague eye on" would probably be more accurate. However, they have correctly identified the fears of many people in Britain, and if you tell me some of the issues and solutions they have that you agree with I will look at them seriously and come back to you in a day or so. I'm not sleeping well at the moment, so I'm not at my best - give me some time.

Anyone who decides to stand for Parliament, with the enormous workload an MP has, deserves a considered response.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:18 am

Clodhopper;1173495 wrote: Oscar: I'm afraid that pantoandy has either been misled or is being "economical with the actualite". A consultation paper is NOT law: it is exactly what it says it is:

http://http://www.justice.gov.uk/consul ... ations.htm

The above is a link to current consultation papers. The one pantoandy refers to is there.

For those who don't want to get involved in web research, consultation papers are, "...papers containing proposals for change and new policies, which invite the public to comment within a given time period." (the first line on the page of the website referred to.)

I think "research" would be too strong a word to describe what I've being doing with the BNP, "keeping a vague eye on" would probably be more accurate. However, they have correctly identified the fears of many people in Britain, and if you tell me some of the issues and solutions they have that you agree with I will look at them seriously and come back to you in a day or so. I'm not sleeping well at the moment, so I'm not at my best - give me some time.

Anyone who decides to stand for Parliament, with the enormous workload an MP has, deserves a considered response.

Sorry to hear your not sleeping well.... I have some pills for that!. I've been down with something horrible all week also. I got all ready to leave at 5 to go to work and started being sick again. It could be the 'Champix' i started to stop me smoking.

Without turning this thread into a BNP patry debate, there was one issue that i learnt about very recently.

LiveLeak.com - Only the BNP Made Something Happen, Says Grandfather of Latest Muslim Sex Grooming Scandal Victim

I checked this out..... this is not propoganda and really happened. The police knew about about these gangs grooming young girls but turned a blind eye (allegedly) for fear of sparking trouble where in theat area there is a large muslim community. There were many many victems and the BNP were keeping their eye on it although other local councillors tried to play it down. Eventually, the BNP threatened to go public to the press with it that the police were doing nothing. Soon after, arrests were made.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:29 am

oscar;1173505 wrote: Sorry to hear your not sleeping well.... I have some pills for that!. I've been down with something horrible all week also. I got all ready to leave at 5 to go to work and started being sick again. It could be the 'Champix' i started to stop me smoking.

Without turning this thread into a BNP patry debate, there was one issue that i learnt about very recently.

LiveLeak.com - Only the BNP Made Something Happen, Says Grandfather of Latest Muslim Sex Grooming Scandal Victim

I checked this out..... this is not propoganda and really happened. The police knew about about these gangs grooming young girls but turned a blind eye (allegedly) for fear of sparking trouble where in theat area there is a large muslim community. There were many many victems and the BNP were keeping their eye on it although other local councillors tried to play it down. Eventually, the BNP threatened to go public to the press with it that the police were doing nothing. Soon after, arrests were made.

How did you check it out?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:39 am

kazalala;1173510 wrote: How did you check it out?
I talked to the members who brought the police in and got the arrests.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:40 am

oscar;1173526 wrote: I talked to the members who brought the police in and got the arrests.

ohhh right:rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:45 am

kazalala;1173529 wrote: ohhh right:rolleyes:

Yeah..... I got one of these new inventions. They are little boxes that you talk into..... oh what are they called now ???? ummmm ummmm Oh yeah..... Phones :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:12 am

kazalala;1173529 wrote: ohhh right:rolleyes:

oscar;1173541 wrote: Yeah..... I got one of these new inventions. They are little boxes that you talk into..... oh what are they called now ???? ummmm ummmm Oh yeah..... Phones :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

hmmm sarcasm:rolleyes:

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:29 am

Just tried phoning S.Yorks police, but of course with the Easter weekend "this office is closed....":rolleyes: Will try again Monday.

I wasn't really talking about individual cases but policies - I presume you are not suggesting that other political parties approve of the grooming of underage girls for sex, or that it only happens in the Muslim community, or that the police in general turn a blind eye to this?

I assume your point is that only the BNP made anything happen on the issue?

Can you tell me if the grandfather went to anyone other than the BNP when (allegedly) the police said they could do nothing when he complained? The article doesn't say.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:54 am

Oscar: Oh yes, I take it from your silence on the issue that you accept that the BNP is not correct about the significance of the consultation paper, in that consultation papers are, "...papers containing proposals for change and new policies, which invite the public to comment within a given time period." and NOT Law or about to be Law, as suggested by BNP member Mr Barnbrook in the article quoted by pantoandy?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:03 pm

A South Yorkshire Police spokesman confirmed to BNP News that “Officers from South Yorkshire Police have arrested seven men in relation to an ongoing investigation into alleged serious sexual offences in the Rotherham area.

(taken from the BNP article on the Live Leak website {BNP publicity}. My bold)

A bit of close textual analysis suggests that the police were aware of the situation and investigating anyway, regardless of the BNP. It is entirely possible that, based on that, that the BNP forced the police to close their investigation sooner than they wanted to, for the sake of a bit of publicity, and that therefore other paedophiles were helped to escape the police net by the BNP. I will try to remember to ask S.Yorks police about it when I succeed in getting in touch...

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:30 pm

slightly more balanced reporting.

BBC NEWS | Politics | Some inmates to get voting rights

I think anyone who has been found guilty of a crime even if subsequently they have the conviction squashed should be barred from standing as an MP. Clearly they are criminals or they wouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

Course if wrongly convicted and all else fails there is always the european court of human rights to appeal to isn't there?

posted by oscar

Without turning this thread into a BNP patry debate, there was one issue that i learnt about very recently.

LiveLeak.com - Only the BNP Made Something Happen, Says Grandfather of Latest Muslim Sex Grooming Scandal Victim

I checked this out..... this is not propoganda and really happened. The police knew about about these gangs grooming young girls but turned a blind eye (allegedly) for fear of sparking trouble where in theat area there is a large muslim community. There were many many victems and the BNP were keeping their eye on it although other local councillors tried to play it down. Eventually, the BNP threatened to go public to the press with it that the police were doing nothing. Soon after, arrests were made.

I suppose the irony that your link also has further link in to "Meet sexy girls in your area" doesn't need to be pointed out.

Post by **pantoandy** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:33 pm

Clodhopper;1173648 wrote: Oscar: Oh yes, I take it from your silence on the issue that you accept that the BNP is not correct about the significance of the consultation paper, in that consultation papers are, "...papers containing proposals for change and new policies, which invite the public to comment within a given time period." and NOT Law or about to be Law, as suggested by BNP member Mr Barnbrook in the article quoted by pantoandy?

the consultation paper i can believe the invitation for the public to comment is hollyhocks.

if the public are consulted it will only be the beard and sandals do gooders who will say yes to this outrage .

labour will do what it specialises in it will sneak it in through the back door as it did with the open door immigration policy to please the eu and the bleating human rights do gooders.

the fact that criminals get a vote its nothing major but wrong in principle.

the bnp report facts not fabricate fictionional spin like labour who have lied cheated and turned this country back to the time when we had the depression and recession which the iron maiden maggie thatcher pulled us out of and 11 years of labour rule has dragged us back in to

COME IN GORDON YOUR TIMES UP AND IF LABOUR DID WIN ANOTHER TERM I,D SHOW MY BARE ARSE IN NETTO,S SHOP WINDOW THATS HOW CONFIDENT I AM THAT WE WILL SOON BE RID OF THIS USELESS GOVERNMENT !!!

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:04 pm

the consultation paper i can believe the invitation for the public to comment is hollyhocks.

Go and try. My apologies for the disparagement of your views - I have been thinking about this and realise it was a mistake. I am a Liberal Democrat and you succeeded in getting my goat with your comments:-3

...kids in the playground....

the fact that criminals get a vote its nothing major but wrong in principle.

Agreed. They are excluded from Society. That is part of their punishment.

the bnp report facts not fabricate fictionional spin

Disagree.

...fictionional spin like labour who have lied cheated and turned this country back to the time when we had the depression and recession which the iron maiden maggie thatcher pulled us out of and 11 years of labour rule has dragged us back in to

COME IN GORDON YOUR TIMES UP AND IF LABOUR DID WIN ANOTHER TERM I,D SHOW MY BARE ARSE IN NETTO,S SHOP WINDOW THATS HOW CONFIDENT I AM THAT WE WILL SOON BE RID OF THIS USELESS GOVERNMENT !!!

Agree that labour are dead ducks. Think that Maggie started the rot with her "no such thing as Society" hollyhocks which meant that the greedy and amoral have had a charter to rip off Society (ie US) ever since, because how can you harmsomething that doesn't exist. Not that it didn't happen before, but this gave them public Prime Ministerial approval for that sort of behaviour.:-5 And look where we are with with Fred the Shred and his ilk.

Completely agree that we are deep in the nasty stuff and need radical action to sort it out. Just think that the BNP is exactly 180 degrees the wrong way to go.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:14 pm

Clodhopper;1173648 wrote: Oscar: Oh yes, I take it from your silence on the issue that you accept that the BNP is not correct about the significance of the consultation paper, ? Please do not take anything from my silence Sir. If i can't answer because i know not of the answer then i sall google. If i still do not know the answer, i will write a post and say so. What i do not do, is hide behind my silence. If your saw my iother thread 'I'm going back to bed', you will see that i have bee hurling at the porcelain all evening and have only just got up from bed.

Please try to refrain from fitting we in with lilly-livered back benchers that you usually come across.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:32 pm

Sorry - posted before I noticed the "I am ill" stuff.

See my smoking posts on another thread. Hope you are feeling better. (I missed off the inverted commas on "smoking" deliberately:D)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:08 pm

Clodhopper;1173891 wrote: Sorry - posted before I noticed the "I am ill" stuff.

See my smoking posts on another thread. Hope you are feeling better. (I missed off the inverted commas on "smoking" deliberately:D) Your forgiven and once i stop feeling like emptyimg my stomach lining every five minutes and got rid of the feeling that i'm on the big dipper in Blackpool, I shall come back to set about you

:D

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:34 am

oscar;1173904 wrote: Your forgiven and once i stop feeling like emptyimg my stomach lining every five minutes and got rid of the feeling that i'm on the big dipper in Blackpool, I shall come back to set about you

:D

It's your body rejecting the BNP. The vomit is a metaphor for their policies:sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:00 am

Clodhopper;1173648 wrote: Oscar: Oh yes, I take it from your silence on the issue that you accept that the BNP is not correct about the significance of the consultation paper, in that consultation papers are, "...papers containing proposals for change and new policies, which invite the public to comment within a given time period." and NOT Law or about to be Law, as suggested by BNP member Mr Barnbrook in the article quoted by pantoandy?

EU Rules Seek to Force Britain to Give Criminals the Vote : The British National Party

It is only a consultation so far.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:35 am

So do you think the government should also ignore a previous ruling that it should destroy the DNA samples taken by police from those those have been arrested but who were subsequently not charged or convicted with an offence? Or do you think it OK to let the government build up a dna database on everybody.

As an aside, itâ€™s a little known aspect of the 2000 US election that Florida had a law barring felons from ever voting again-we let ours vote once they are released

And that wide trawling through voter lists for supposed released convicted out-of-state felons had wrongly barred from voting more than enough entirely blameless (mainly black) voters as to deny Al Gore Florida and the Presidency. Course no British politician would do such a thing would they?

While we're at at it let's stop british expats from being able to vote in our elections-if they don't like the UK they can **** off permanently. Why on earth should someone living in spain receive the winter fuel allowance:-5 also the state pension should not be paid to someone living abroad. If they can afford to live abroad and don't want to pay our taxes why the hell should we help them do it. Then they come crawling back and expect the state to support them when they need long term care or they can't afford to pay the medical bills in the country they choose to live in. Let's keep state benefits for those that want to live in Britain and stop supporting well off scroungers who choose to live abroad. Think how much money we would save.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:05 am

gmc;1174134 wrote: So do you think the government should also ignore a previous ruling that it should destroy the DNA samples taken by police from those those have been arrested but who were subsequently not charged or convicted with an offence? Or do you think it OK to let the government build up a dna database on everybody.

As an aside, itâ€™s a little known aspect of the 2000 US election that Florida had a law barring felons from ever voting again-we let ours vote once they are released

And that wide trawling through voter lists for supposed released convicted out-of-state felons had wrongly barred from voting more than enough entirely blameless (mainly black) voters as to deny Al Gore Florida and the Presidency. Course no British politician would do such a thing would they?

While we're at at it let's stop british expats from being able to vote in our elections-if they don't like the UK they can **** off permanently. Why on earth should someone living in spain receive the winter fuel allowance:-5 also the state pension should not be paid to someone living abroad. If they can afford to live abroad and don't want to pay our taxes why the hell should we help them do it. Then they come crawling back and expect the state to support them when they need long term care or they can't afford to pay the medical bills in the country they choose to live in. Let's keep state benefits for those that want to live in Britain and stop supporting well off scroungers who choose to live abroad. Think how much money we would save.
No i don't think it's right for DNA to be stored any more than i agree with our e amils etc being monitered.

As for the ex pats....... couldn't agree more. They left this country willingly so they should get nothing.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:10 am

oscar;1174247 wrote: No i don't think it's right for DNA to be stored any more than i agree with our e amils etc being monitered.

As for the ex pats....... couldn't agree more. They left this country willingly so they should get nothing.

How about we don;t let daily mail readers vote. They've demonstrated that they ae mentally incompetent by believing all the drivel it contains

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:36 am

gmc;1174261 wrote: How about we don;t let daily mail readers vote. They've demonstrated that they ae mentally incompetent by believing all the drivel it contains If we did that the only voters left would be the beardy, cordroy wearing tree-huggers and the criminally insane who all own a staff bull terrier called Dave.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:45 am

It is only a consultation so far.

EXACTLY. So would you agree that the BNP, by suggesting that this is Law when it isn't, are misleading the public?

I still need an answer on whether the grandfather had tried to get help from any one other than the BNP when the police, according to the BNP, refused to act. If he did not, don't you agree that to claim only the BNP bothered to help him is, well, misleading?

South Yorkshire police have told me that the word "ongoing" is usually used to describe an investigation that had been running for some time and would continue to run. The policeman who answered me commented that, "We don't just run out and arrest people, y'know." (I resisted the typical treehugging sandalwearing beardie liberal response...

)

There are limits on what they are prepared to tell me about an individual case, but they have promised me a call tomorrow.

Post by **pantoandy** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:47 am

oscar;1173904 wrote: Your forgiven and once i stop feeling like emptyimg my stomach lining every five minutes and got rid of the feeling that i'm on the big dipper in Blackpool, I shall come back to set about you

:D

GET WELL SOON OSCAR :-6:-6:-6:-6:-6:-6

the grumps

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:42 am

pantoandy;1174514 wrote: GET WELL SOON OSCAR :-6:-6:-6:-6:-6:-6

the grumps Thanks Panto..... I had to stop taking the Champix. Now I'm on anti-sickness pills as they made me so ill. Never again. :-6:-6:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:46 am

Clodhopper;1174452 wrote: EXACTLY. So would you agree that the BNP, by suggesting that this is Law when it isn't, are misleading the public?

I still need an answer on whether the grandfather had tried to get help from any one other than the BNP when the police, according to the BNP, refused to act. If he did not, don't you agree that to claim only the BNP bothered to help him is, well, misleading?

South Yorkshire police have told me that the word "ongoing" is usually used to describe an investigation that had been running for some time and would continue to run. The policeman who answered me commented that, "We don't just run out and arrest people, y'know." (I resisted the typical treehugging sandalwearing beardie liberal response...

)

There are limits on what they are prepared to tell me about an individual case, but they have promised me a call tomorrow. I will be very interested in the answer you get from the police. Frankly, i think they will play it down as they don't want a scandal which is what they did when it came to light.

I have nothing to show as evidence other than the story on the BNP site i posted and what i was told on the phone. As i understood it, the grandfather who won't be named for fear of reprisals, tried to get something done with the police and they showed very little interest.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:58 am

It's one of the troubles with individual cases. Hard to get detailed info, especially if the case is up for trial. Individual cases don't prove much about anything, anyway - I'm sure there are cases where the BNP has done something useful for the community: it's hard to imagine they bog absolutely everything up all the time.

But neither the case you gave me or pantoandy's convince me that the BNP is a party fit to run this country. It is a Fascist organisation.

Vote Lib Dem for a truly radical solution!:-6

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:06 am

Clodhopper;1174607 wrote: It's one of the troubles with individual cases. Hard to get detailed info, especially if the case is up for trial. Individual cases don't prove much about anything, anyway - I'm sure there are cases where the BNP has done something useful for the community: it's hard to imagine they bog absolutely everything up all the time.

But neither the case you gave me or pantoandy's convince me that the BNP is a party fit to run this country. It is a Fascist organisation.

Vote Lib Dem for a truly radical solution!:-6

You can bet your last quid that when it does come up to trial there will be bugger all reported in the tabloids. The press don't want to print stories about the good the BNP do. As i understand it..... this case is not a one-off. It is occurring mostly in Yorkshire where the police are reluctant because they don't want vigilantee's or a race war.

Just as one other example.... where the BNP have council seats in the country, they are doing more to invest in young people and provide activities than any previous governments to get kids off the streets and stop youth crime.

Lib Dem?????? You can not be serious :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **pantoandy** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:34 am

Vote Lib Dem for a truly radical solution! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

wheres me sandals !!!!!!!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:43 am

pantoandy;1174699 wrote: Vote Lib Dem for a truly radical solution! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

wheres me sandals !!!!!!!! I know a charity shop that sells cordroy trousers and jackets with leather elbow patches :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:55 am

oscar;1174705 wrote: I know a charity shop that sells cordroy trousers and jackets with leather elbow patches :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

as oppose to BNP's skinheads, doc martin boots, jeans t-shirt and braces..oh and lets not forget the union jack flag around the shoulders and the staffordshire pit bull called Dave:sneaky:

pot....kettle:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:58 am

Chezzie;1174707 wrote: as oppose to BNP's skinheads, doc martin boots, jeans t-shirt and braces..oh and lets not forget the union jack flag around the shoulders and the staffordshire pit bull called Dave:sneaky:

pot....kettle:D It's funny as i asked Mr O recently what i should wear to my first meeting and suggested my 'Thatcher Blue Suit'. He said 'no, go as yourself in your doc mattins and Stranglers hoodie'. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:16 am

oscar;1174708 wrote: It's funny as i asked Mr O recently what i should wear to my first meeting and suggested my 'Thatcher Blue Suit'. He said 'no, go as yourself in your doc mattins and Stranglers hoodie'. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I rest my case:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:23 pm

Chezzie;1174734 wrote: I rest my case:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl I think the old fashioned image of the skinhead national front supporter is well past it's sell by date. However, it is true and fact that Lib dem voters all have goatee beardys, cordroy trousers, jackets with leather elbow patches, read the Guardian and call everyone 'my friend'. :p

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:05 am

wheres me sandals !!!!!!!!

Aaah. Just the sort of mature, reasoned response I'd expect from the BNP. Can't argue the issues, so resort to mockery.

Have you even looked at the policies of the Liberal Democrats? Have you noticed that Vince Cable is the only one who talks sense on the economy? Do you even know who Vincent Cable is?

But you can make silly comments about sandals.

Well done.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:52 am

Clodhopper;1175015 wrote: Aaah. Just the sort of mature, reasoned response I'd expect from the BNP. Can't argue the issues, so resort to mockery.

Have you even looked at the policies of the Liberal Democrats? Have you noticed that Vince Cable is the only one who talks sense on the economy? Do you even know who Vincent Cable is?

But you can make silly comments about sandals.

Well done. Vince Cable...... Last i heard he was MP for Twikenham and Shadow Chancellor.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:37 am

Hooray for the european commission

Internet privacy: Britain in the dock - Home News, UK - The Independent

Internet privacy: Britain in the dock

'Big Brother' state comes under fire as European Commission launches inquiry into secret surveillance of web users

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:35 am

gmc;1175307 wrote: Hooray for the european commission

Internet privacy: Britain in the dock - Home News, UK - The Independent
GOOD

Again, the hypocricy of this government shines through. They don't want the BNP gaining power because they are too far right yet we would slowly turn into a big brother state under Labour.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:22 am

See my related post linked below:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/bizar ... olumn.html

Post #6 in particular.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:22 pm

oscar;1175379 wrote: GOOD

Again, the hypocricy of this government shines through. They don't want the BNP gaining power because they are too far right yet we would slowly turn into a big brother state under Labour.

What!! You mean gordon is a hypocritical moron?

Do you now agree GORDON IS A MORON?

Is it the jackboots that attract you to the BNP?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:43 pm

gmc;1175581 wrote: What!! You mean gordon is a hypocritical moron?

Do you now agree GORDON IS A MORON?

Is it the jackboots that attract you to the BNP? No, GB is still in mho capable of being a good PM and one heck of sexy mf as well. It's the morons that he surrounds himself with. I remember the day Harriot Harmen was appointed DPM and thinking 'That's the Labour Party down the tiolet in one foul swoop'. Blears and Smith are pathetic wastes of tax payers money and if GB wants any credibility back he needs to rid himself of the lot of them.

No it's not the jack boots but the nazi's did have some very smart uniforms and their Ironing skills could not be faulted. :rolleyes::rolleyes: :p:p

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:53 pm

oscar;1175596 wrote: No, GB is still in mho capable of being a good PM and one heck of sexy mf as well. It's the morons that he surrounds himself with. I remember the day Harriot Harmen was appointed DPM and thinking 'That's the Labour Party down the tiolet in one foul swoop'. Blears and Smith are pathetic wastes of tax payers money and if GB wants any credibility back he needs to rid himself of the lot of them.

See, I agree with just about all that but the bit in red made me just a little bit sick in my mouth.

He's gonna surround himself with morons. Its the only way to distract the fact he's moronic himself, especially now Prescott's not around, the fut bustard

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:02 pm

Snowfire;1175640 wrote: See, I agree with just about all that but the bit in red made me just a little bit sick in my mouth.

He's gonna surround himself with morons. Its the only way to distract the fact he's moronic himself, especially now Prescott's not around, the fut bustard
Good old Presser......two jaggs, one left hook and meat pie's all round.

Don't mention him to gmc..... he's still crying over Presser flicking the V's at SNP supporters :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:45 am

Again, the hypocricy of this government shines through. They don't want the BNP gaining power because they are too far right...

Not because they are too far right, it's because they are racist thugs.

BNP leader Nick Griffin, a life-long Nazi, argued: â€œThe electors of

Millwall [backed] what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined

organisation with the ability to back up its slogan â€˜Defend Rights

for Whitesâ€™ with well directed boots and fists. When the crunch

comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational

debateâ€.

â€¦has terrorist and criminal connections

David Copeland, who carried out the London nail bombings in

Brixton, Brick Lane and Soho said: â€œMy aim was political. It was to

cause a racial war â€¦ then all the white people would go and

vote BNP.â€

At the last general election, the BNP stood gang rapists and

drug dealers as candidates in some seats, only removing them

when they were exposed as criminals.

Taken from a UAF leaflet. Go ahead and sue for libel.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:59 am

Clodhopper;1175938 wrote: Not because they are too far right, it's because they are racist thugs.

Taken from a UAF leaflet. Go ahead and sue for libel. All you seem to be able to do is resort to insults. You still can not and will not comment on the hammer attack on the BNP member by UAF supported and funded by Lib Dem, Tory and Labour MP's. You still can not and will not comment on Harriot Harmen's statement to 'The Mail' that in response to the increasing growth of the BNP, 'Battlebuses' are being used to break up and disrupt bono fide meetings of a bono fide registered political party. The mere fact that Labour has to send out 'battlebuses' to disrupt a meeting of a bono fide registered political party is proof in it'self that no main stream party or this government actually wants a democratic society. They are destroying democracy in this country and you can't see it. Labour have no more right to deliberately disrupt a BNP meeting as they do to disrupt a Tory meeting or any Party meeting. You support this do you? You support this hammer attack on a BNP member do you? And you accuse the BNP of being thugs? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:47 am

Well, you don't reply to my points, you just add more of your own! As this recent post just proves! I've been asking you who the grandfather of the pregnant 12 year old was supposed to have asked for help since the original article you posted to "prove" how brilliant the BNP were AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED! You are the one who claimed to be able to contact these people, indeed you said you already had!

I've spent three days on and off checking the evidence in relation to that article so far, reporting back my findings at intervals - THAT's research. And it's not finished yet! I have answered you and I will continue to answer you.

You NEVER answer, you just dodge and pile in with more propaganda! Don't think it hasn't been noticed!

As to the hammer attack, no, I do not approve of attacking people with hammers!

Nor do I approve of the BNP attacking UAF demonstrators with iron bars.

It's YOUR leader who said the BNP was "a strong, disciplined

organisation with the ability to back up its slogan â€˜Defend Rights

for Whitesâ€™ with well directed boots and fists. When the crunch

comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational

debateâ€.

And I'm sorry if you find that insulting, but YOU are the one supporting this man. Do you approve of Griffin's statement quoted above? Or is it yet another issue you'll dodge because you find it uncomfortable?

As far as I'm concerned power comes out of the ballot box. We defend ourselves against people like Hitler and Griffin who say it comes from "force and will". Gerry Adams became an acceptable politician when he agreed to the ballot box and renounced violence and not until. Griffin says power comes from "well directed boots and fists" and that makes him UNACCEPTABLE as an MP, let alone a possible leader of this country. Unlike Adams he has NOT renounced violence.

How would Europe react to a BNP MEP? With disgust and contempt, I should think.

As to the phrase "battlebus" all parties use the term when talking about the coaches they travel around in during election campaigns when the parties do battle politically for the votes of the electors - it is a commonly used term by all parties and political journalists and has been used for decades. It started as a joke and has gone into the language of everyday use.

The BNP are NOT like normal political parties in this country. They advocate violence, they are descended directly from the National Front, they admire the Nazis and their supporters post nail bombs to try to create race war in this country.

You've signed up with a bunch of violent thugs and they are using you. Sooner or later you'll realise that. I just hope it's sooner.

Post by **pantoandy** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:30 pm

quote clodhopper

The BNP are NOT like normal political parties in this country. They advocate violence, they are descended directly from the National Front, they admire the Nazis and their supporters post nail bombs to try to create race war in this country.

You've signed up with a bunch of violent thugs and they are using you. Sooner or later you'll realise that. I just hope it's sooner.

sorry clodhopper you are talking absolute hollyhocks.

there are professional people who are members of the BNP DOCTORS LAWYERS TEACHERS PRISON OFFICERS AND POLICEMEN are they mindless skinhead thugs?

you are mistaking the BNP with the national front or combat 18 they are the loonies who you dont want in power this is just spin from the mainstream parties because they are frightened of the power the bnp are gaining and they are frightened because the people are saying we have had enough of this and they are losing their big brother grip on our lives.