Why does Australia have problems?

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:59 am

Ladies and Gentlemen, this contest is for the Board Championship National Criticism Belt. In the red corner weighing in at 7000 posts and fighting under US colours please welcome the plucky challenger RedGlitter. In the blue corner this evening's title defender, magenta "dinkum" flame, at 2000 posts. This contest consists of an indefinite number of five-minute posts, both parties to get tag-team assistance whether they want it or not, and the result to be decided by a submission. Seconds out please: Round 1.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:10 am

:wah: Very cool intro, Spot.

I would like some address on the issues covered in this article:http://neovox.cortland.edu/oldsite/wire ... re_97.html

Specifically, the poverty level in Australia and why it exists;

The situation with the Aboriginal people which as I said in the "Makes Me Sick" thread, seems to be parallel with the United States situation with and treatment of Native Americans/Indians;

I'll stick with those two for now to start with.

While this came on because of Magenta's remarks about America having 60% of its people below poverty level and various other remarks on issues in the States, ("Makes Me Sick" thread) this is not a personal beef with Magenta. I want to make that clear. This is about countries.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:48 pm

magenta flame;660367 wrote: though could someone please inform me if American natives still live completely seperate to the whites and hunt and gather their own food? No I don't mean on missions
Some do Mags.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:00 pm

Magenta, did you just call me a "fkng d.ickhead?" I don't believe I called you anything stupid. Could you try and act like a mature woman? If you can sling hash you can take it as well. If you have nothing to say about Australia then I guess what I read must stand.

I'm surprised at you. You're always spoiling for a fight and running off at the mouth about America but you won't even discuss your own country. That says something right there.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:16 pm

No...I want you to have to defend your country the same way you want me to defend mine. It seems you can run your mouth but you don't have the backbone to put behind it. Which is fine- I can see that and if that's your choice so be it. But you make yourself look pretty incompetent by doing so.

And can't you resort to discussing like a decent person without all the asterisks? Like have a little class. Not once have I done that to you and I expect better from you.

Thank you for the links you provided. I will read them both.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:53 pm

Then why are you said to hold the ranking of 4th highest poverty level?

I read but I'm not seeing so far.

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:33 pm

RedGlitter;660421 wrote: Then why are you said to hold the ranking of 4th highest poverty level?

I read but I'm not seeing so far.

It is perhaps the legacy effect of only reducing the indigenous population by half, instead of reducing it to a twentieth which is what the United States has achieved. In both cases the indigenous population has crumbled but that's their nature when faced with empire-building murderers and missionaries. I can never quite tell whether it's the sight of affluence or the inflicted Christianity which brings a whole people to its knees but it's definitely one or the other.

The statistics you quote, as you can tell from their very specificity, are tailored to convey a particular story. In fact the introduced Australia, the imposed Western victorious Australia, is healthy, happy and adequately affluent. When you also have a half million people whose respect is only recently beginning to re-emerge after two centuries of slaughter and exploitation the statistics relating to poverty are skewed. In America the equivalent would be the non-citizen "illegals" who lack rights and security but labour for a pittance, while making up five percent of the entire population of the USA (and quite probably a higher percentage still of those who work).

Now, what specific aspect of Australia's national life would you like me to contrast with that of the USA? Or would you like me to set at it directly without any guidance?

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:08 pm

Do the government take a percentage of the sale of her house that she owned? Geez, over here you are not allowed a council property if you own or co-own another property. I think if that happened over here our country would have an even higher pregnancy rate. It's great that the government gives so much help though.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:14 pm

I would love to live in Australia, I think that we could really prosper there, but a couple of things stop me, leaving my family and the blimmin spiders.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:20 pm

Pinky;660512 wrote: I would too...maybe I will one day!!:sneaky:

I watched a show last year aboout family going over there to start a life, all looked good to me :-6 Could you leave your family Pinks?

Sorry I've thrown the thread

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:27 pm

Pinky;660533 wrote: YES!!! They live up the road and I hardly see them. They spend most of the year abroad anyway. I'm not that attached to my parents tbh, so I really have no emotional ties keeping me here.

Cool :-6 You should definitely be accepted being a teacher, I think with Jim being a skilled tradesman then we should?? Not quite sure if they accept Beauty Therapist as a skill :wah:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:52 pm

I'm glad to see these responses from you, Magenta. Thanks.

What is "tafe?" You said:

Now if she has qualified in something like hairdressing or beauty at tafe

Another question I have: if your government can afford to "throw money at you," like you say, "you" being in general, how about tell us some ways it helps aid other countries? As in assistance with food or finance or etc.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:53 pm

Ok, hold up- I posted before you got to the Aboriginals. Reading now...

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:58 pm

magenta flame;660495 wrote: Whoah hold up on the slaughter and exploitation bit ! We've had that chucked down our throats all our lives without any specifics. Now we have them and the actual government at the time did very little to slaughter off the aboriginals This was usually done because of mis-management by the "protectors."

If you ever get around to reading Black land White land by Michael Cannon you'll find a completely different outlook It is the historical look (government letters reports and so forth) which puts a very different light on the subject.When I say "slaughter" I'm not implying that you lined them up against walls and blew their heads off. I'm saying there are only a half as many in Australia today as there were before Captain Cook arrived. That, it seems to me, is adequately covered by the word "slaughter". As for the USA there is one indigenous American alive where twenty once stood, one could employ either holocaust or ethnic cleansing in that instance.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:40 pm

Thanks for thinking of me, Magenta. But I don't think anything I can say here will serve any purpose that I'd consider useful. :sneaky:

And happy birthday, France!!!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:30 pm

magenta flame;660367 wrote: though could someone please inform me if American natives still live completely seperate to the whites and hunt and gather their own food? No I don't mean on missions

Many of the tribes prosper and share the wealth from casino money. Those guy just order Chinese take out.