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Ukip would cut billions from Scottish budget to fund English tax cuts - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Ukip would cut billions from Scottish budget to fund English tax cuts


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Makes sense. Why should the rest of the UK subsidise Scotland to receive benefits that the rest of us are not entitled to? What's wrong with them paying the same taxes & receiving the same benefits as anyone else?
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FourPart;1474964 wrote: Makes sense. Why should the rest of the UK subsidise Scotland to receive benefits that the rest of us are not entitled to? What's wrong with them paying the same taxes & receiving the same benefits as anyone else?


That's one of the myths England does not subsidise Scotland we pay more in taxes than we receive back. Think about it if it was true we were subsidised the UK parties would not be shitting themselves during the referendum debate when a yes vote looked likely - without Scotland and it's wealth and expertise the rest of the Uk is in deep ****, off the security council and a bit player on the world stage.

Next time there's a referendum on the union the result is likely to be a yes vote unless these idiots fall for the lies again. What kind of morons trust the likes Cameron, clegg and gordon brown.
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Pre-referendum propaganda made out that the result would be an overwhelming "Yes" vote. We all know how accurate that claim was now, don't we. Isn't it a bit soon to be making claims on what the result of the next one (if there ever is another one) might be?

The main reason Labour would have been opposed to independance, despite their motto being "Stronger United" is more likely due to the massive Labour majority in Scotland which would be reflected in seats in the House of Commons.

Also, as I understand it, UKIP claim is mainly directed at the Barnett Funding Formula (Barnett formula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which doesn't seem to be exactly set in stone in the first place:

The Barnett formula is said to have "no legal standing or democratic justification",[2] and, being merely a convention, could be changed at will by the Treasury.


According to the Barnett formula, it seems England is the country which comes out worst. It also seems that the SNP are opposed to it as well.

The Scottish National Party pointed to what has been termed the Barnett squeeze.[25] They point out that rather than protecting the favourable spending position of Scotland, the Barnett formula steadily erodes that advantage: if a 4% increase is needed in expenditure to cover inflation, Scotland will get an increase of only 3% of its total budget, whereas England will get the full 4% (proportional to population share) – after inflation, that would mean a 1% budget reduction for the Scottish Government.
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FourPart;1474997 wrote: Pre-referendum propaganda made out that the result would be an overwhelming "Yes" vote. We all know how accurate that claim was now, don't we. Isn't it a bit soon to be making claims on what the result of the next one (if there ever is another one) might be?

The main reason Labour would have been opposed to independance, despite their motto being "Stronger United" is more likely due to the massive Labour majority in Scotland which would be reflected in seats in the House of Commons.

Also, as I understand it, UKIP claim is mainly directed at the Barnett Funding Formula (Barnett formula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which doesn't seem to be exactly set in stone in the first place:

According to the Barnett formula, it seems England is the country which comes out worst. It also seems that the SNP are opposed to it as well.


What propaganda are you talking about? There were complaints and demonstrations against the BBC concerning the bias of it's reporting.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/j ... -Robertson

George Galloway appeared more on discussion programmes during the referendum than either of the two SNP leaders and he's not even a Scottish MP.

Most of the old time labour worthies arguing for the union did so from a standpoint of international socialism the kind of argument we haven't heard fop ecades in any serious way. Gordon brown only got involved after a poll suggested that the reaction of the Scottish people to all the negative campaigning by the no campaign was having the opposite effect from that intended.

It should hardly be a surprise that the SNP are supposed to the Barnett formula the main plank of their economic argument is that we are short changed in the union and treated like a colony rather than an equal partner in the union. Guess what more scots now think the same way -it took Cameron just a day to renege on his promise and a week for Gordon brown to show what a liar he was.
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