Forget Panorama, this Is possibly the end of the BNP and Nick Griffin...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:31 pm

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The hall was packed with hundreds of the countries key delegates.

At the end, a vote of no confidence was taken on the Party Chairman Nick Griffin..

Every single hand went up.... carried unanimously.

Voted unanimously.... To seek legal methods to remove Nick Griffin as Party Chairman.

Voted unanimously...... To with-hold party membership fee's and local funds from the BNP under the Griffin leadership.

While Griffin sweated the latest smear campaign by the BBC Panorama team and while he faces a series of court cases about to be made public, far darker forces were at work and had been In a tactical coup.

Where previous BBC smear cases and criminal allegations have not brought him down In the past.... His very own people today sought to bring him down In a series of unprecedented actions.

This Is just the beginning for Nick Griffin

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:03 am

One notion I have never been able to buy in to is the notion that you need a party leader to follow the ones where the personality of the leader and loyalty to him is all important inevitably fail.. You could see what was going to happen under nick griffin. You do need good leadership but the one that wants the power isn't usually the best for the job. Not that I actually have a better way of doing things of suggest.

The SNP's fortunes went down the toilet when Salmond stood down for a while but at least those surrounding him in the leadership group seem reasonably good but at the local level it's a toss up who is tyhe most corrupt, labour or SNP, some of our local councillors just got themselves in to hot water trying to intimidate and bully planning officials to favour their mates, if they need top have it explained to them why that is wrong they are unfit for office - bit like liam fox

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:34 am

Is the parallel party a life boat ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:12 am

gmc;1373293 wrote: One notion I have never been able to buy in to is the notion that you need a party leader to follow the ones where the personality of the leader and loyalty to him is all important inevitably fail.. You could see what was going to happen under nick griffin. You do need good leadership but the one that wants the power isn't usually the best for the job. Not that I actually have a better way of doing things of suggest.

The SNP's fortunes went down the toilet when Salmond stood down for a while but at least those surrounding him in the leadership group seem reasonably good but at the local level it's a toss up who is tyhe most corrupt, labour or SNP, some of our local councillors just got themselves in to hot water trying to intimidate and bully planning officials to favour their mates, if they need top have it explained to them why that is wrong they are unfit for office - bit like liam fox

This has been going on for a long time. Much comes down to Griffin's Totalitarianism and the cronies he surrounded himself with.

When headway In the Party was made to change that Totalitarianism, Griffin would just go off and change the Party constitution to give him back total control. Something had to be done. Whenever anyone challenged Griffin for leadership In the past as In the Eddy Butler challenge, Griffin would just purge the party of anyone who supported the challenger by evicting them from the Party.

On the latest leadership challenge by Andrew Brons, It now appears that the 9 votes Griffin clung on with, were postal votes and not genuine. He did his usual purge, removing Brons, Arthur Kemp and anyone else from the Party but they all refused to leave even when Griffin wanted return of their membership cards. Griffin changes the rules as he goes along but this time the support for Andrew Brons Is far too great,

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:40 am

oscar;1373295 wrote: This has been going on for a long time. Much comes down to Griffin's Totalitarianism and the cronies he surrounded himself with.

When headway In the Party was made to change that Totalitarianism, Griffin would just go off and change the Party constitution to give him back total control. Something had to be done. Whenever anyone challenged Griffin for leadership In the past as In the Eddy Butler challenge, Griffin would just purge the party of anyone who supported the challenger by evicting them from the Party.

On the latest leadership challenge by Andrew Brons, It now appears that the 9 votes Griffin clung on with, were postal votes and not genuine. He did his usual purge, removing Brons, Arthur Kemp and anyone else from the Party but they all refused to leave even when Griffin wanted return of their membership cards. Griffin changes the rules as he goes along but this time the support for Andrew Brons Is far too great,

The parties of the left and the right always seem to exhibit the same trend - a leader stamping his little foot and saying no no the party is mine and believing themselves indispensable.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:42 am

Bruv;1373294 wrote: Is the parallel party a life boat ? No... It Is a call to all nationalists In Nationalist factions to come together under an umbrella whilst remaining In the chosen factions such as The English Democrats to find solidarity until either the courts or AB's legal moves can remove Griffin and his team. When that time comes and the BNP Implodes on Itself or the courts wind up Griffin and the BNP, a viable Party will be In place to re-brand under a new constitution, and honest leader which will not certainly be AB's for It will be open for a democratic voting.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:46 am

gmc;1373297 wrote: The parties of the left and the right always seem to exhibit the same trend - a leader stamping his little foot and saying no no the party is mine and believing themselves indispensable.
Absolutely and It Is Griffin that has made the word 'Nationalism' In England a toxic word and concept. There Is a genuine need for a Nationalist Party in England ( BNP, one million votes ) but Griffin had to be completely removed from all nationalism for any Nationalist party to survive and prosper. Where the UAF, Searchlight, and other Parties along with the courts have failed In the past, It is now his very own people who are doing this. Who would have thought It ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:47 am

So you have confirmed my assessment of Griffin as an oily scheming two faced scrote ?

My gut feeling was right.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:56 am

Bruv;1373300 wrote: So you have confirmed my assessment of Griffin as an oily scheming two faced scrote ?

My gut feeling was right.

Most knew It... It was getting solid evidence for AB's to make legal moves that took so much time for Griffins Totalitarianism covered up and disguised much of what was suspected.

It took a long time for this has not happened over-night. The right people had to be put In place, the right evidence to be gathered and enough people within the BNP to support AB's.

Had AB's won the leadership challenge, the BNP would have survived, yet thanks to 9 dodgy postal votes which were only born out by Griffin's daughter on the day of the count, even loyal Griffin supporters realised how toxic the entire Party had become and would continue to become. Decent people who just happen to believe In Nationalism just could not be brought down with him.

It was good to see so many good people that Griffin purged yesterday.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:57 am

"Nationalist" and "Nationalism" as well as "Patriotism" frighten the life out of me, they are all words that mask their true meaning or intent.

It is possibly the likes of Griffin made me feel this way.

How do you define these emotive words Oscar ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:09 am

Bruv;1373302 wrote: "Nationalist" and "Nationalism" as well as "Patriotism" frighten the life out of me, they are all words that mask their true meaning or intent.

It is possibly the likes of Griffin made me feel this way.

How do you define these emotive words Oscar ?

The right to express and exercise national Identity even by minorities.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:23 am

It's a curious thing, the rise in Scottish nationalism is partly a response to the fascist policies of Thatcher - left wing socialist (for want of a better description) nationalism rather than the xenophobic racist nationalism of the BNP and UKIP - not that I'd claim there is no element of anti-english sentiment that can be quite nasty but most of it is resentment at Westminster. On the other hand scots are by and large pro europe.

If the lib/con coalition try and impose a referendum on the grounds they think they have nothing to lose and besides which completely they misread the voters rather than let the snp do their own thing I would take bets on their being an overwhelming majority in favour of it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:22 am

gmc;1373313 wrote: It's a curious thing, the rise in Scottish nationalism is partly a response to the fascist policies of Thatcher - left wing socialist (for want of a better description) nationalism rather than the xenophobic racist nationalism of the BNP and UKIP - not that I'd claim there is no element of anti-english sentiment that can be quite nasty but most of it is resentment at Westminster. On the other hand scots are by and large pro europe.

If the lib/con coalition try and impose a referendum on the grounds they think they have nothing to lose and besides which completely they misread the voters rather than let the snp do their own thing I would take bets on their being an overwhelming majority in favour of it. There Is nothing wrong with Nationalism when It embraces outside elements that can benefit the country. There Is a world of difference between Nationalism and Protectionism that will ultimately harm your country. Unfortunately, we have led by a rabid Islamophobic Totalitarian Dictator who purged anyone from his Party who so much as disagreed with him.

The reason yesterday's actions will be so damaging to him and will ultimately bring about his downfall Is because those hundreds of people were not just voters or members but key delegates, the movers and shakers, the people who stand In elections, the organisers who go back and Instruct on local level from his Instructions. Without those key people, he can not survive for he simply can not replace them all. Well, he could try but they would not be the Intellectuals such as Arthur Kemp, Richard Barnbrook, Martin Wingfield etc etc but knuckle dragging, tattoo's ****wits.

In some ways, English Nationalists are no different to Scottish Nationalists In that we see there are some benefits In the EU as and we have an aversion to what is Inside Westminster at the moment and like you, the ruin at the hands of Thatcher.

One of the guest speakers yesterday said something which stood out to me..... " The BNP Is not Nick Griffin, It is the Party"

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:51 pm

Nice to hear you admit there is an element of "knuckle dragging, tattoo's ****wits" in the Party.

I still find the rise of nationalism a strange and frightening reaction to current problems, it parallels the rise in Germany in my mind, and we all know what happened then.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:08 pm

Bruv;1373322 wrote: Nice to hear you admit there is an element of "knuckle dragging, tattoo's ****wits" in the Party.

I still find the rise of nationalism a strange and frightening reaction to current problems, it parallels the rise in Germany in my mind, and we all know what happened then.

I have always readily agreed that the BNP attracts nutters and by the very nature of the Party, It shall continue to do so. However, they are In the minority.

It riles me when I see posts from the likes of the Kingstone-Upon-Thames one with a bigotry based on untruths from gutter press rags.

If anything, what occurred yesterday should prove that the majority of BNP members and key figures are just normal people and some damn educated one's at that ! Decisions made yesterday confirm that.

Nationalism or Patriotism does tend to put the willies up some people because the Nazi's originated from that mindset. It is natural that people would assume that any Nationalist Party would harbour dark motives and hidden agenda's and the media play to those fears.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:09 am

Bruv;1373322 wrote: Nice to hear you admit there is an element of "knuckle dragging, tattoo's ****wits" in the Party.

I still find the rise of nationalism a strange and frightening reaction to current problems, it parallels the rise in Germany in my mind, and we all know what happened then.

Our empire building and jingoism was an example that Hitler envied and the british union of fascists had a lot of support especially amongst the establishment who were terrified of popular uprising to the extent they were ready to use troops if need be.

The nazies were also in response to perceived injustices and fears of a communist revolution but also picked up on religious prejudice and bigotry legitimising it, It was the racial and religious element that made it so appalling not least IMO the realisation that thee same prejudices were within our societies as well. One of the reasons so many jews did not flee is that there was nowhere for them to go with many countries closing their borders to them and introducing anti semitic immigration laws. In a way ot was looking at a mirror of what could be. The nationalism of the BNP is not an issue it's the way it is targeted at all the usual suspects, immigrants and people of a different colour or who are just different. There are plenty of muslim and Christian bigots out there as well to add in to the mix, it's like a pile of combustible materials that will go off at the slightest spark and we let grow at our peril. It's negative, self destructive and will always fail but can be incredibly destructive, racial prejudice, religious bigotry, resentment the elements are always there it's how they interact that matters.

The irony is fascism (or corporatism) succeeded in the states but the language of dissent has been corrupted to the extent no one knows what fascist means any more and Obama can be perceived as a left wing socialist. If you look at some of the language of the fox news and the like you could take iot back to the thirties and it would not be amiss.

To a lesser extent in it succeeded in europe and now you are - I hope - beginning to see a backlash. It's the age old left against right with the best course being somewhere in the middle but everybody wants to pull on the sheets. Look at the press comments on greece it's not the people who have caused all the debt crisis yet they are being portrayed as greedy and wanting to preserve a cushy lifestyle. Same here, i know dozens of people who have lost their jobs v=because of the banking crisis yet those who caused it all - and it was not accidental you could see what was going to happen - get away with it. Tony Blair should be in jail along with fred goodwin and all the other crooks who thought they were above being held accountable. Maybe if company directors knew they themselves would lose everything themselves if their negligence caused a company to go bankrupt they would be more careful and willing to curb stupidity when they saw it

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:06 am

Well......I think I would vote for gmc should he stand for PM.

That word 'perceived' injustice is what worries me most.

It was so easy to point at the odd people with skull caps and big noses that kept themselves apart from the rest, same as we have amongst us today in the UK, same perception different people........and all the time the puppet masters, who caused the problem, stoke up the ill conceived perceptions.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:17 am

Bruv;1373346 wrote: Well......I think I would vote for gmc should he stand for PM.

. Ahhhh but he's a Nationalist :wah:

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:44 am

oscar;1373350 wrote: Ahhhh but he's a Nationalist :wah:
So are you.....but he STILL gets my vote.

I would describe myself as a nationalist too.....with a small n.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:41 am

Bruv;1373352 wrote: So are you.....but he STILL gets my vote.

I would describe myself as a nationalist too.....with a small n.
Was offered a job today with another Nationalist Party.

The rats are fleeing In their droves

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:47 am

oscar;1373433 wrote: Was offered a job today with another Nationalist Party.

The rats are fleeing In their droves

Tea Lady ?

Caterer ?

Sorry...............

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:47 pm

oscar;1373433 wrote: Was offered a job today with another Nationalist Party.

The rats are fleeing In their droves

Jings crivvens help me boab YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. they wouldn't do that. I can just imagine the headline ex-fascist joins SNP. It's enough to give you the dry boak.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:01 pm

gmc;1373616 wrote: Jings crivvens help me boab YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. they wouldn't do that. I can just imagine the headline ex-fascist joins SNP. It's enough to give you the dry boak.

You can stop boaking over your keyboard, It wasn't Salmond who phoned me.... any way, what do you mean EX Fascist ? :sneaky:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:33 am

oscar;1373637 wrote: You can stop boaking over your keyboard, It wasn't Salmond who phoned me.... any way, what do you mean EX Fascist ? :sneaky:

Ah dear, ageing socialists can look back at all they achieved all ageing fascists have is delusions of imagined lost grandeur. So what happened then? Why would you want to be a foot soldier in the fascist movement anyway. I suppose it would have the virtue that they don't actually pretend to be interested in the common man, you could join the tory party and be patronised by the lublic school set. Maybe you should move to america and join the tea party which seems to have become the place for the lower orders go to plight their troth and they would let you carry a gun but you might have to shoot foxes and things.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:54 am

gmc;1374513 wrote: Ah dear, ageing socialists can look back at all they achieved all ageing fascists have is delusions of imagined lost grandeur. So what happened then? Why would you want to be a foot soldier in the fascist movement anyway. I suppose it would have the virtue that they don't actually pretend to be interested in the common man, you could join the tory party and be patronised by the lublic school set. Maybe you should move to america and join the tea party which seems to have become the place for the lower orders go to plight their troth and they would let you carry a gun but you might have to shoot foxes and things.

I shall reply to this as soon as I like.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:05 am

gmc;1374513 wrote: Ah dear, ageing socialists can look back at all they achieved all ageing fascists have is delusions of imagined lost grandeur. So what happened then? Why would you want to be a foot soldier in the fascist movement anyway. I suppose it would have the virtue that they don't actually pretend to be interested in the common man, you could join the tory party and be patronised by the lublic school set. Maybe you should move to america and join the tea party which seems to have become the place for the lower orders go to plight their troth and they would let you carry a gun but you might have to shoot foxes and things.

Funny.... I just got home from a long day discussing Nationalism In depth. One of the area's covered today was the future of the Scottish Nationalist. Bit of an eye opener to be honest....

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:24 pm

oscar;1374550 wrote: Funny.... I just got home from a long day discussing Nationalism In depth. One of the area's covered today was the future of the Scottish Nationalist. Bit of an eye opener to be honest....

Ah more secrets. Best not share them with us then.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:58 pm

gmc;1374561 wrote: Ah more secrets. Best not share them with us then.

Secrets ??? You're the bloody SNP :wah:

Will private message you as soon as I can get my cat off the ceiling and stop the dogs barking at every bloody bang... It's Nov 5th :-5

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:56 pm

oscar;1374570 wrote: Secrets ??? You're the bloody SNP :wah:

Will private message you as soon as I can get my cat off the ceiling and stop the dogs barking at every bloody bang... It's Nov 5th :-5

You should be pack leader and project calm. If you've never seen the dog whisperer that won;t make any sense. My own furry fiend is sleeping peacefully, mind you a previous dog we had to tranquillise thanks to some toerag throwing a firework at it.

Incidentally I have never joined any political party though I must admit the image of a lesbian kickboxer as scottish tory party leader has a certain appeal the unco guid probably spluttered their tea all over the place when they heard. Funny thing for all the brotherly love and equality they preach I can't imagine labour doing that.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:00 pm

gmc;1374583 wrote: You should be pack leader and project calm. If you've never seen the dog whisperer that won;t make any sense. My own furry fiend is sleeping peacefully, mind you a previous dog we had to tranquillise thanks to some toerag throwing a firework at it.
I've managed to calm the dogs.... Yes, I do watch Cesar Milan... It's a cat whisperer I need... He's doing 60 mph round the skirting boards.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:13 am

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