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It seems that there are several councils in the UK which are banning dogs off the lead in ALL public places. I sincerely hope that this does not become national otherwise where on earth would we be able to let our dogs run free for a while? The seaside, with the lovely splashing waves across the gorgeous golden sand - where better for a dog to really extend itself ? The local park - ideal with lots of grass for your dog to run across and mixing with other playful dogs.

I do know why this is happening. Some stupid people are allowing their animals to foul these areas. Well that is nature and difficult to prevent, so the owner should clean these messes up, either taking it home or leaving it in a designated dog 'poo' bin that may be supplied in the park or at the entrance to the beach. For pities sake it is a simple enough task, but if you don't want to do the cleaning up then don't have a dog !

Also, some dogs can be anti-social with other dogs or with other people. These dogs should be muzzled when they are taken out of their home environment. My son saw a greyhound (retired racing greyhounds make wonderful family pets) as he was walking through a park area. This greyhound was off the lead and raced across the grass and grabbed at a small white terrier. The owner of the terrier grabbed her little dog while the greyhound owner rushed up to pull their dog away from the little terrier. Fortunately there were no injuries except the little terrier was trembling with utter terror. My son went up to the greyhound owner, a woman, and said she should put a muzzle on her dog whilst it is out of the home. This woman was taken aback at this and said that her dog was so gentle and a wonderful family pet. My son asked her if it was a retired racing greyhound and she said it was. He then pointed out that the greyhound had been trained to chase after a smallish fluffy white animal that resembled a hare or rabbit - roughly the size and colour of the little terrier that it had chased after and grabbed at ! "Oh my God ! You are quite right, I never thought !"

She said she would go straight away to her vet and purchase a proper greyhound muzzle.

People who are thoughtless about these things are causing the restrictions to be adopted. Soon, it seems, our pet dogs will not be able to run free anywhere and that will be such a shame and very sad for the dog. We have a dog, called Jessica, which we adopted from the RSPCA dog shelter. She is a wonderful dog, good looking, very intelligent and very quick to learn. We adopted Jessie in June 2012 when she was 2 years old. She loves to run free in a local field, and she runs like the wind ! She comes back to heel as soon as she is called, regardless of whether there are other dogs around or not, so we are confident that she will be no trouble. If we see any other dogs that are on a lead, we immediately put Jessica on her lead because we know that a dog on the lead can be very anti with a dog that is running free.

Yes I sincerely hope this ruling isn't adopted nationally. I don't know how others feel about it

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I see no reason why any dog should ever be legally permitted on any public land at all, leashed or unleashed, and I include public streets as well as commons, parks and beaches above the high water mark. Whether their feces are picked up by their owners or not, they still leave an unhealthy residue. Were their fouling place a slice of bread, Gill, I take it you'd not make a sandwich from it after picking off a dogturd.
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I'd quite happilly keep my dogs leashed at all times In public providing the same rule applied to doggers who foul our public area's.
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Seriously, I actually see both sides.

I think In built up area's we could looke to America for Inspiration, There they have designated fenced off ' safe area's for dogs to be exercised off the leash.

If our councils Invested In this, much of the problems would be saved. It could be an area where only dog walkers walk dogs with the dog park being maintained by volunteers. Likewise, dog owners don't have the worry of Inept parents letting their kids wind up someone's dog.

Put If we are to come fown hard on dog owners then at least come down hard on Doggers having sex In public places, people who spit In public and even those revolting parents I've seen who discard dirty nappies In public places.
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There are some municipalities taken to DNA testing of dog poop to

trace it to one particular dog and an owner who didn't clean up.

My girl is leashed all the time when out unless she goes to Paradise

Pet Resort, where it's fenced and specifically a place for dogs. Whether

or not you clean up after, unleashed dogs can be hazards to themselves

and others. No animal is 100% 100% of the time, I don't care the level

of training, so why take the chance?
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I hope it doesn't become general. I always call my dogs and put them on leads if I see kids and stop them chasing bikers and runners - if only they would give warning they are there before haring past from behind you,

There is a problem with anti social dog-owners and not a few that don't bother to train their dogs or take steps to find out about their pets and can't actually tell when two dogs are playing rather than fighting and a tendency with some to assume a dog off the lead is not under control. I'm sure any dog owner will have anecdotes

There needs to be some way of tackling the problem I don't think this is it really. Maybe a ban in some parks or ban dogs from areas where there are more likely to be kids playing. There are already laws in place to fine people who let their dogs foul maybe an active campaign to catch them. I too hate standing on dog ****, especially if it;s on a path you just know that someone with a dog on a lead has stood and watched it happen.
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Incontinent humans, old or young, wear nappies (or, excuse my ghastly Americanism, "adult diapers"). Does such a system exist for dogs? I'd be quite happy to have dogs in public places if they were equipped that way.
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My arguement Is this...

In the UK we have 12 million children. Councils create safe area's In which toddlers and children have designated area's where those children can play safely. It Is a fore-gone conclusion that with that amount of children, In built up area's they need somewhere safe to play where no-one In their right min takes an aggressive dog. Job done.

In some parts of the country, there are even Dogging sites where consenting adults can have sex with strangers where no-one who doesn't want to see It, takes their dogs for a walk or takes their children.

Yet, In this country, according to 2011 stats, the UK has 10.5 million dogs with 39& of households having a dog.

So while we cater for others, we do not cater for 39% of the population.

Those who think we should not cater for dog walkers are the selfish gits who want their own passtimes and offspring catered for but don't wish to see council's fund safe area's for dogs.

Dog owners can also be selfish though. I know many that won't walk 5 yeards to exercise their dogs when I'll walk a mile to an area where I can safely let mine off the leash or drive 5 miles. People want to walk their dogs on their own doorsteps and the only way to combat this Is to Invest In dog walking parks.

What we have Is 39 percent of the population uncatered for. The remaining 61 percent then tut, whine and winge at dogs being walked In public and all the problems that go with It whilst doing nothing to compromise,
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Týr;1445522 wrote: I see no reason why any dog should ever be legally permitted on any public land at all, leashed or unleashed, and I include public streets as well as commons, parks and beaches above the high water mark. Whether their feces are picked up by their owners or not, they still leave an unhealthy residue. Were their fouling place a slice of bread, Gill, I take it you'd not make a sandwich from it after picking off a dogturd.


It really depends on what you could detect that the dog had eaten. It's possible I suppose, that I may find a dogturd had left behind traces of chicken breast or similar that had been in the faeces. In which case I might find that quite appetising. Better still if there are a few flies walking on it - more protein !
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Most dog ters are eliminated naturally overnight. Hedgehogs, slugs etc will eat them.
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Well this is one topic I know something about!!!! :-6 ;)



Leash laws, as they are known here in the USA aren’t are that bad. In a populated area they sever to protect the dog, the dog’s owner, and others you may come in contact with; not to mention the property of others be it public or private. Now it may provide protection but granted it does not give the full reign of excises, socialization and play a dog needs and enjoys.



Here in the US leash laws vary by State, city, county or localities such as dogs in farming areas do not have leash laws, etc. Perhaps this would be a means for your Council to try?



Sadly for all of the reasons you listed is why these laws have come into force here.

People too lazy to pick up after their dog, people who don’t understand their dog’s breed or can’t think pass the nose on their face (such as your greyhound example). Or as gmc mentioned people who don’t know how to “talk dog” or read their dog’s body language. Sadly it exists whether the dog is on leash or off leash but in a controlled environment there is some resolution.

Oscar pointed out about the Dog Parks that have become quite popular here in the USA.

“Dog parks are the fastest-growing segment of city parks. There were 569 off-leash dog parks in the 100 largest U.S. cities in 2010, a 34 percent jump in 5 years, while overall parks increased only 3 percent. Portland, Oregon the highest per capita in the USA with 5.7 dog parks for every 100,000 residents. Calgary, AB has the highest per capita in North America, with 15.9 dog parks for every 100,000 residents. There are now more American households with dogs than with kids of 43 million and 38 million respectively. "It's a playground for people without kids." Wikipedia.



That’s a lot of dogs!



This is what I know as I over-see a very successful Dog Park that is in its 11th year.

Oscar suggested volunteers to monitor the Dpk which is how the one I work at started but now has County employees to oversee the Dpk. I think volunteers are a very good start as it gets the community involved but once the Dpk evolves it will need more then volunteers.

A Dpk really is a business. It is in the business to provide a service and be compensated to continue to ensure that amenity carries on. At this point I don’t want to bore any readers but I can tell you this as a fact. As of September 2013 the Dpk had approximately 700 person who had purchased annual park passes (40 US$ for a calendar year ) generating $28,000 and 3,000 daily patrons (5 USD$ per visit) have contribute $15,000. That’s a total of $43,000 to support with upkeep, supplies, staffing, and additions to improve the Dpk. You may be surprised at how many people would use such a facility.

So perhaps to you who may be pressured into leash laws this may be something to present to your local council?:-3



If anyone is interested I had posted three threads about my experiences at the Dpk under Dogs, Cats, & all things Pet Related > The Pets in Our Lives….

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/pets- ... k-1-a.html

This was the first one…..I have no idea if this links works or not so I’ll leave it at that.

And Gill, Jessica is beautiful!! I am so happy to hear she is a rescue! Smart move for both of YOU :)
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I take it, then, that dog nappies don't yet exist. maybe I've invented a new retail product without realizing it.
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Týr;1445562 wrote: I take it, then, that dog nappies don't yet exist. maybe I've invented a new retail product without realizing it.


No sorry, Tyr.... you were beaten to It years ago I'm afraid..



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oscar;1445597 wrote: No sorry, Tyr.... you were beaten to It years ago I'm afraid..






Then I call for a change in the law of England and Wales to mandate their use when any dog is on public land, with a fixed penalty of death for all dogs not so equipped. People will no doubt demand exemption for dogs for the blind and police dogs. I see no reason to exclude them.
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Týr;1445842 wrote: Then I call for a change in the law of England and Wales to mandate their use when any dog is on public land, with a fixed penalty of death for all dogs not so equipped. People will no doubt demand exemption for dogs for the blind and police dogs. I see no reason to exclude them.


That's just never going to happen Is It ?

In practical terms, killing dogs who don't wear nappies Is not the solution.

What Is far more practical Is the Introduction, as Is In the States, of designated, safe dog walking area's where those who don't have dogs, have no business entering.

It Is scandalous, nay, downright negligent that 39 % of the UK's population Is not catered for.

Take my area as an example... 1.5 million was spent on creating a skateboarding park for teenagers. That's what ? At a guess, 0.05 of the population. No-one seems to have a problem with that. It gives the teenagers somewhere to go and something to do. Yet, whilst they are catered for, 39 % remain high and dry.

Designated walking parks mean poo Is kept to the designated area. Women are safe walking their dogs at night and volunteers keep the area maintained and clean. Dogs get to socialise and the streets stay clean. Councils save thousands per year on the cost of removing poo from the streets. Everyone wins.

Those who would not wish their councils to Invest In such area's are the selfish who don't mind millions being spent on playgrounds for children or skateboarding parks. Anyone who objects to such a proposal deserves all they get, Life Is about compromise. If you want your kids catered for at public expense then do likewise for the 39 %.of dog owners.

Having said that... I have a field outside my front door that see's I would guess, 100 dogs walked per day. Women feel safe walking their dogs alone because there are buildings on all four sides. There Is a dog poop bin on 4 corners of the field. I can say that I rarely, very rarely see dog poop. The problem Is not as great as you claim.
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Týr;1445842 wrote: Then I call for a change in the law of England and Wales to mandate their use when any dog is on public land, with a fixed penalty of death for all dogs not so equipped. People will no doubt demand exemption for dogs for the blind and police dogs. I see no reason to exclude them.


Týr

It is a fact of life that if you are lucky enuf to own a dog you are going to take him/her for walks on public land.

Your suggestion to have all of them wear diapers is ludicrous. Either you are a total jerk or just trying to get arise out of some...well it worked! :p

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Lady J;1445876 wrote: Týr

It is a fact of life that if you are lucky enuf to own a dog you are going to take him/her for walks on public land.

Your suggestion to have all of them wear diapers is ludicrous. Either you are a total jerk or just trying to get arise out of some...well it worked! :p

Here this is for you.


I was told dog diapers exist. What are they for if not to keep streets clear of dogfilth? I walked two miles along a paved national coastal path the other week and had to steer my child past twenty piles of the stuff. Even in the centre of town I have to maneuver him around it. People blunder into it and spread it for yards in all directions. would anyone like me to carry a camera for a day and post the results?

How oscar expects these damned pointless ill-bred monstrosities to get to her designated dog-toilet parks without walking through public streets has me baffled.

Putting down all dogs found on public land without a diaper seems eminently sensible. Nothing else has worked, killing them is guaranteed to. Anyone who wants an undiapered dog can keep it - and its pollution - at home.

As for trying to get a rise, on the contrary - I detest these wretched animals for a host of good reasons, their promiscuous crap being high on the list.
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Tell me... Imagine the scenario.... you are out with your grandchildren on public land having a picnic. They are too old to use diapers. You are no-where near a public toilet...You grandchild has no choice but to squat behind a bush and relieve herself.

Death ?
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Týr;1445906 wrote: I was told dog diapers exist. What are they for if not to keep streets clear of dogfilth? I walked two miles along a paved national coastal path the other week and had to steer my child past twenty piles of the stuff. Even in the centre of town I have to maneuver him around it. People blunder into it and spread it for yards in all directions. would anyone like me to carry a camera for a day and post the results?

How oscar expects these damned pointless ill-bred monstrosities to get to her designated dog-toilet parks without walking through public streets has me baffled.

Putting down all dogs found on public land without a diaper seems eminently sensible. Nothing else has worked, killing them is guaranteed to. Anyone who wants an undiapered dog can keep it - and its pollution - at home.

As for trying to get a rise, on the contrary - I detest these wretched animals for a host of good reasons, their promiscuous crap being high on the list.


As It happens, I am In agreement with you on dog owners who do not pick up. Yes, It's a fair point that dogs may defecate on their way to a dog park but In built up area's, the journey may be relatively short and from my experience, dogs don't often poo the moment they are out of the door... It takes exercise to stir the bowel and It's more likely the bulk of poo would be In the park.

Now... talking of filth. This Is where you live... Bristol City centre. I live, thankfully, on the border In semi-rural South Gloucestershire. I say thankfully because any time I have been to the city centre, It Is filthy. Due to the smoking ban, benches are littered with beer cans, empty bottles and cigg butts.



Bristol, 4.30am, covered in letter. Should taxpayers pay to clean this up? | Bristol Post

Now, when Bristol Council have completely addressed the filth left by humans, I may sympathise further on dog poo. People In glass houses and all that.
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oscar;1445914 wrote: Tell me... Imagine the scenario.... you are out with your grandchildren on public land having a picnic. They are too old to use diapers. You are no-where near a public toilet...You grandchild has no choice but to squat behind a bush and relieve herself.

Death ?


Firstly, every dog appears to be taken out onto public land for the express purpose of defecating, unlike my children. Secondly, no child of mine has ever defecated on public land to my knowledge other than with the aid of an entrenching tool. Were your circumstances to have actually happened I have no doubt I'd have handed over my hat. Or a carrier bag. Or both.

Secondly, neither of my earlier instances happened within a hundred miles of Bristol.
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Týr;1445906 wrote: I was told dog diapers exist. What are they for if not to keep streets clear of dogfilth? I walked two miles along a paved national coastal path the other week and had to steer my child past twenty piles of the stuff. Even in the centre of town I have to maneuver him around it. People blunder into it and spread it for yards in all directions. would anyone like me to carry a camera for a day and post the results?

How oscar expects these damned pointless ill-bred monstrosities to get to her designated dog-toilet parks without walking through public streets has me baffled.

Putting down all dogs found on public land without a diaper seems eminently sensible. Nothing else has worked, killing them is guaranteed to. Anyone who wants an undiapered dog can keep it - and its pollution - at home.

As for trying to get a rise, on the contrary - I detest these wretched animals for a host of good reasons, their promiscuous crap being high on the list.


Actually I find standing in dog poo equally offensive, there really is no excuse for it. Rather the money being spent on dog parks I would prefer if it went in to enforcement. Insisting all dogs wear diapers is ludicrous and not really worth time answering. OK you don't like dogs, I get that, your loss sunshine, people who can empathise with another species are generally better humans.

I object to drunks being in the streets and wasting NHS resources when they end up in A & E as a result of their irresponsibility after the first visit any subsequent visit should result in draconian penalties imo. I was almost sideswiped today by an idiot that seemed oblivious to my presence as he joined the motorway. i would like to have machine guns fitted but that is as likely as you getting dogs compelled to wear nappies.
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gmc;1446035 wrote: Actually I find standing in dog poo equally offensive, there really is no excuse for it. Rather the money being spent on dog parks I would prefer if it went in to enforcement. Insisting all dogs wear diapers is ludicrous and not really worth time answering. OK you don't like dogs, I get that, your loss sunshine, people who can empathise with another species are generally better humans.

I object to drunks being in the streets and wasting NHS resources when they end up in A & E as a result of their irresponsibility after the first visit any subsequent visit should result in draconian penalties imo. I was almost sideswiped today by an idiot that seemed oblivious to my presence as he joined the motorway. i would like to have machine guns fitted but that is as likely as you getting dogs compelled to wear nappies.


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Týr;1445906 wrote: I was told dog diapers exist. What are they for if not to keep streets clear of dogfilth? I walked two miles along a paved national coastal path the other week and had to steer my child past twenty piles of the stuff. Even in the centre of town I have to maneuver him around it. People blunder into it and spread it for yards in all directions. would anyone like me to carry a camera for a day and post the results?

Putting down all dogs found on public land without a diaper seems eminently sensible. Nothing else has worked, killing them is guaranteed to. Anyone who wants an undiapered dog can keep it - and its pollution - at home.

As for trying to get a rise, on the contrary - I detest these wretched animals for a host of good reasons, their promiscuous crap being high on the list.


To answer your first question. Dog diapers are used as a tool to help house break dogs from going indoors so they can pollute your streets! :wah: Sorry about that...but they are used in house training. They are used on elderly dogs who may not be able to control themselves so well....much like us humans as we grow older and wear diapers. They are also used on bitches in heat to keep the mess level down but that is a different thread.

I have a suggestion that may work better then putting down dogs who can not pick up their own crap and are doing what is natural of every living creature. The next time someone lets their dog make a deposit on a public street and they don't pick it up - shoot them. The person...NOT the DOG. That will quickly end people not picking up after their dog.

I will agree that people are lazy when it comes to cleaning up behind their dog. I deal with at the Dog Park. However providing them bags to do so and reminding them helps.

Now I have one more question for Týr. Why do you detest dogs? :-2
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Bet he wouldn't have dared anything to a bloke. His word against hers and her friends' any court would have thrown it out I suspect.

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