Is this illegal?

xara · Post by **xara** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Eating dog meat in England?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:28 pm

xara;1390249 wrote: Eating dog meat in England?

Do you mean eating the flesh of a canine or eating the canine's dinner?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:31 pm

Yes, It's legal

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xara · Post by **xara** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:37 pm

The first kind, and it was a serious question.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:40 pm

xara;1390254 wrote: The first kind, and it was a serious question.

Then see the link I posted you In my second post.

xara · Post by **xara** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:41 pm

oscar;1390258 wrote: Then see the link I posted you In my second post.

It's not real. It's a joke.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:46 pm

I could go for some Poodle Pudding.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:55 pm

Oh my god.

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xara · Post by **xara** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:05 pm

SnoozeAgain;1390270 wrote: Oh my god.

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Aw, it's American.

In the recipe section they could have left the dog face off

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:27 pm

I had a link almost in hand for what looked like UK sellers of dog meat and I got completely sidetracked when I saw "Kittybeef".

xara · Post by **xara** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:39 pm

Beer Roasted Cat

1 cat cut into roast

1 can of fc.uking Cream of Mushroom soup

1 cube of beef bouillon

1 clove of garlic

1 Fine Irish Stout, like Guinness

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:56 pm

I'm not sure they sell cans of fc.uking Cream of Mushroom soup here, this is Utah after all.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:05 am

I thought that'd be the one place you can sell it :rolleyes:

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:46 am

I'm quite sure it's illegal to sell dead dog joints for human consumption. It's also illegal to kill a dog yourself inhumanely. If you avoid both those traps I suspect you can legally consume dog and serve it to your guests at home whenever you're inclined. And cat and fox, come to that, but not any form of wild bird because killing it's illegal so seagull is definitely off the menu. Wild doves and pigeons and blackbirds, no - farmed pigeon possibly. I'm not sure about pigeon.

I could try looking it up if you like. In Blackstone, probably. I thought it might be more fun to go out on a limb and guess first.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:05 am

spot;1390287 wrote:

I could try looking it up if you like.

That'd be helpful thanks.

If it were legal I thought they might sell it in China Town. Since it's most popular in East Asia.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:06 am

spot;1390287 wrote: I'm quite sure it's illegal to sell dead dog joints for human consumption.

............I thought it might be more fun to go out on a limb and guess first.

If the healthy animal was slaughtered properly what other possible prohibition could there be, other than outcry from the public ?

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:27 am

xara;1390288 wrote: That'd be helpful thanks.

If it were legal I thought they might sell it in China Town. Since it's most popular in East Asia.

I bring this to your attention in passing, not as relevant but as a "there's a job I never applied for"...(2) No person shall sell or offer for sale for human consumption [...] (d)fresh meat from uncastrated male swine of a carcase weight (excluding the limbs at the carpus and tarsus and the head) exceeding 80 kgs unless (i)an inspector has tested such meat for pronounced sexual odours and declared it not to have such odours

The Fresh Meat (Hygiene and Inspection) Regulations 1992 No. 2037 PART IV Regulation 14

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:46 am

xara;1390288 wrote: That'd be helpful thanks.

If it were legal I thought they might sell it in China Town. Since it's most popular in East Asia.

Right, there's a list in the same act of what meat can be offered for sale for human consumption.

General Conditions 14.—(1) No person shall, at any time on or after 1st January 1993, sell or offer for sale for human consumption any fresh meat unless (a)it has been obtained from licensed premises which are supervised in accordance with regulation 8 above; [or it's a farmed game animal, which a dog isn't]

and Interpretation 2.—(1) In these Regulations, unless the context otherwise requires— [...] “animals” means the following food sources namely—

(a)domestic animals of the following species: bovine animals (including buffalo of the species Bubalus bubalis and Bison bison), swine, sheep, goats and solipeds[+]; and (b)farmed game;So perhaps it's legal to kill a dog for personal consumption, I've seen nothing to say otherwise, but it's not legal to sell dog meat because you can only sell meat slaughtered on licensed premises (or farmed game), and the list of what licensed premises can slaughter excludes dogs.

Fish and birds appear not to be meat. I expect meat's a technical term.

[+]: "soliped" is a euphemism for horse, unless we've taken to eating Tapirs and Rhinos.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:17 am

Just to keep this topic on the boil.......

A few Recipes

Lemon Grass Dog

The comments are more interesting than the recipe itself.

Where to buy dog meat in UK

Comments are the highlight again.........now we know why dog meat is not eaten here.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:23 am

spot;1390293 wrote: Right, there's a list in the same act of what meat can be offered for sale for human consumption.

General Conditions 14.—(1) No person shall, at any time on or after 1st January 1993, sell or offer for sale for human consumption any fresh meat unless (a)it has been obtained from licensed premises which are supervised in accordance with regulation 8 above; [or it's a farmed game animal, which a dog isn't]

and Interpretation 2.—(1) In these Regulations, unless the context otherwise requires— [...] “animals” means the following food sources namely—

(a)domestic animals of the following species: bovine animals (including buffalo of the species Bubalus bubalis and Bison bison), swine, sheep, goats and solipeds[+]; and (b)farmed game;So perhaps it's legal to kill a dog for personal consumption, I've seen nothing to say otherwise, but it's not legal to sell dog meat because you can only sell meat slaughtered on licensed premises (or farmed game), and the list of what licensed premises can slaughter excludes dogs.

Fish and birds appear not to be meat. I expect meat's a technical term.

[+]: "soliped" is a euphemism for horse, unless we've taken to eating Tapirs and Rhinos.

Ok, so to eat if you have to kill it yourself. Thanks.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:28 am

Bruv;1390297 wrote: Just to keep this topic on the boil.......

A few Recipes

Lemon Grass Dog

The comments are more interesting than the recipe itself.

Where to buy dog meat in UK

Comments are the highlight again.........now we know why dog meat is not eaten here.

Glad I didn't get any comments like that for my question :wah:

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:40 am

xara;1390337 wrote: Ok, so to eat if you have to kill it yourself. Thanks.

With kindness, xara. To you it's just a main course but it quite probably likes you. If you can smash a claw hammer into its forehead before it knows your intentions that's ideal, none of this namby-pamby stab it a few times stuff. And make sure you video the killing so the RSPCA can't get antsy after the event, you need proof that it went out like a smashed lightbulb.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:32 am

spot;1390341 wrote: With kindness, xara. To you it's just a main course but it quite probably likes you. If you can smash a claw hammer into its forehead before it knows your intentions that's ideal, none of this namby-pamby stab it a few times stuff. And make sure you video the killing so the RSPCA can't get antsy after the event, you need proof that it went out like a smashed lightbulb.

I wouldn't eat a pet. I have some civility.

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:56 am

xara;1390350 wrote: I wouldn't eat a pet. I have some civility.

It would transform you from a pet-keeper into a civilized person who doesn't keep pets. At least bear it in mind as an option.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:59 am

spot;1390355 wrote: It would transform you from a pet-keeper into a civilized person who doesn't keep pets. At least bear it in mind as an option.

Didn't realise you were a bleeding heart.

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:02 pm

xara;1390358 wrote: Didn't realise you were a bleeding heart.

I am?

Neither did I.

eta: I looked...bleeding-heart

Considered to be over-sympathetic to the supposed plight of the underprivileged or exploited.

That's me alright. I'm not sure what it has to do with pet ownership though.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:23 pm

spot;1390360 wrote: I am?

Neither did I.

eta: I looked...bleeding-heart

Considered to be over-sympathetic to the supposed plight of the underprivileged or exploited.

That's me alright. I'm not sure what it has to do with pet ownership though.

bleeding heart

n

Informal

a. a person who is excessively softhearted

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:43 pm

xara;1390365 wrote: a person who is excessively softhearted
As in "all domesticated lifeforms should be exterminated". Good call.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:05 pm

spot;1390374 wrote: As in "all domesticated lifeforms should be exterminated". Good call.

Exterminated or set free?

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:12 pm

xara;1390386 wrote: Exterminated or set free?
I meant exactly what I wrote, thank you.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:14 pm

spot;1390388 wrote: I meant exactly what I wrote, thank you.

What's your problem with 'domesticated lifeforms'?

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:21 pm

xara;1390390 wrote: What's your problem with 'domesticated lifeforms'?

They can pollute wild populations through cross-breeding. Their habitat - mainly farms - reduces the space available to wildlife. On a more practical level, their fecal traces induce blindness and disease among children who could otherwise play outdoors in safety. I think that sums up my main concerns.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:30 pm

spot;1390392 wrote: They can pollute wild populations through cross-breeding. Their habitat - mainly farms - reduces the space available to wildlife. On a more practical level, their fecal traces induce blindness and disease among children who could otherwise play outdoors in safety. I think that sums up my main concerns.

Is that all pets?

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:51 pm

xara;1390395 wrote: Is that all pets?

I'd have thought most domesticated lifeforms weren't pets. Most are crops. Some are farm animals. Some are cultivated garden plants. Some are pets.

The pets whose fecal traces cause blindness are mostly dogs. Pets which are imported from other continents might naturally be unable to pollute wild populations through cross-breeding since we have no wild population. On the other hand there are no European wildcat populations safe from cross-breeding domesticated cats and, few though they may now be, I place a greater absolute value on the remaining European wildcats than I do on Europe's domesticated cat population. As for dogs I consider them more detrimental to the environment than vermin.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:11 pm

So, you want to exterminate 'domesticated lifeforms' because of something that has happened to them through no choice of their own.

As for 'I consider them more detrimental to the environment than vermin' I think people are the most detrimental to the environment - maybe we should exterminate them.

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:08 pm

I don't think this planet is capable of supporting more than a million humans sustainably. The choice is between cutting back to that number and staying here indefinitely or spreading to other planets while wearing this one out. I reckon the second option is safer.

As for domesticated lifeforms, they're aberrations.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:52 pm

xara;1390417 wrote: So, you want to exterminate 'domesticated lifeforms' because of something that has happened to them through no choice of their own.There's actually a fairly popular opinion around here that domestication is exactly what some animal species intended to happen so that their particular breeds would survive. Give that one a go if you can stand wild rides.

xara · Post by **xara** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:47 pm

spot;1390433 wrote: I don't think this planet is capable of supporting more than a million humans sustainably. The choice is between cutting back to that number and staying here indefinitely or spreading to other planets while wearing this one out. I reckon the second option is safer.

Yes, because that's realistic

If there's one thing people do and do well, from the beginning of their existence, it's cause destruction. Since culling people is undesirable it is not something which will change. Even if people are (can't believe I'm going to say this) moved to another planet(s) they will just do what they've done to this one.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:14 pm

xara;1390445 wrote: Yes, because that's realistic

If there's one thing people do and do well, from the beginning of their existence, it's cause destruction. Since culling people is undesirable it is not something which will change. Even if people are (can't believe I'm going to say this) moved to another planet(s) they will just do what they've done to this one.

You're right.... The biggest virus on Earth Is man.

When you look at many extinct species, It has little to do with 'Designer Dogs' or cats or domesticated farm animals,

For eg... The UK has never had a true wild species of cattle or sheep for designer farm stock to thin out the gene pool. Neither has the UK ever had a wild dog for domesticated dogs to thin out the gene pool. Yes, we had Wolves but why did they become extinct here? The usual problems for Wolves such as In territory fighting an disease but they were hunted to extinction by man. Then, man began to take Wolf cubs and rear them to protect their settlements and ward off Intruders... thus, your domesticated dog was borne.

When you look at true wild dogs, for example the wild dog of The Savannah, where there are no designer dogs to thin out the gene pool, the packs never Increase In numbers. In fact, I read a report very recently that they were on the decline.... why ??? Man Is hunting them....

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:15 am

Ahso!;1390442 wrote: There's actually a fairly popular opinion around here that domestication is exactly what some animal species intended to happen so that their particular breeds would survive. Give that one a go if you can stand wild rides.

Not quite right.......but keep on re-reading what was said and you might get it.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:19 am

I don't believe I implied that people should be "culled". Reducing world population to a million over a period of, say, a couple of hundred years, ought to be a simple matter that involves killing nobody.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:24 am

spot;1390341 wrote: With kindness, xara. To you it's just a main course but it quite probably likes you. If you can smash a claw hammer into its forehead before it knows your intentions that's ideal, none of this namby-pamby stab it a few times stuff. And make sure you video the killing so the RSPCA can't get antsy after the event, you need proof that it went out like a smashed lightbulb.

With compassion and swiftly.......Ideally an ice pick or something similar between the eyes with one blow. A single incisive blow, no smashing explosive residue then to spoil the decor. No video required just offer to show them the procedure should they enquire.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:25 am

On... another... dog. I can really see that exciting an RSPCA officer, he'll not get offers like that every day of the week.

I had it in mind that smashing its forebrain would allow the heart to keep beating long enough to pump all the blood out of a major artery. Perhaps I was being too slaughtery.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:28 am

spot;1390519 wrote: On... another... dog. I can really see that exciting an RSPCA officer, he'll not get offers like that every day of the week.

Or any 'domesticated life form'

I am sure the RSPCA are more than used to dispatching a variety of such life forms and others.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:35 am

Bruv;1390520 wrote: Or any 'domesticated life form'

I am sure the RSPCA are more than used to dispatching a variety of such life forms and others.

Watching "A Private Function" was where I went wrong.

xara · Post by **xara** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:34 am

spot;1390517 wrote: I don't believe I implied that people should be "culled". Reducing world population to a million over a period of, say, a couple of hundred years, ought to be a simple matter that involves killing nobody.

It was my statement, never said/believed it was something you implied.

And it is never a simple matter. You cannot reduce the world population because there is no guarantee that a) people would listen b) if you tried to legally implement a change, you cannot guarantee all countries in the world would follow. One country changing is not enough. Even if a country/some countries did this, people may just move to where they have more freedom. People will do what they want to do and will find a way to do it. There are too many variables that cannot be controlled for.

Sending people to other planets? Reducing the population? You're living in a dream world.

'a simple matter that involves killing nobody' I still don't understand why you prefer to 'exterminate' something that causes less harm than people and all they get is a 'reduction in population'. To me it would make more sense to exterminate that which causes most harm and let the others be. Your view is illogical.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:25 pm

I've no idea what you think NASA's been spending all that money on since the fifties. We're headed out of the solar system, all that's still unknown is the time frame.

Reducing the human population has been discussed since the mid-nineteenth century. As to how to bring it down by a factor of a thousand in just a couple of hundred years, I'd have thought an infection inducing sterility and otherwise harmless would be both ideally suited and well within the capability of a research department in the next couple of decades. I doubt whether anyone will ask permission before spreading it.

What does that leave us with... exterminating all the man-made genetic mutants which infest our farms and homes. All those domesticated lifeforms. I know no other way of setting aside sufficient natural resources to conserve the planet's gene pool. It takes room, and farming consumes room. It takes a level playing field and the domesticated forms have in general been made more successful in the environment we've provided them with. Both the environment and the mutant forms have to go in order that the million-times-larger gene pool has a chance of rebalancing itself and staying alive.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:49 pm

spot;1390607 wrote:

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That's a contradiction...

By eliminating farm stock you are removing the source food for the existing population.

By sending folks off to Inhabit new planets will only see the exact same conditions as Earth within a few thousand years. In fact, rather than your fantasy of Inhabiting new planets, how about some scientists theories that planets such as Mars Already had man on them billions of years ago and man ultimately reduced the planet to a pile of rubble which If there Is a nucleur war on Earth, the same will apply.

The answer to world over-population Is Investment Into area's outside of the towns and cities where there are vast expanses of land and few Inhabitants.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:15 pm

xara;1390594 wrote:

Reducing the population? You're living in a dream world.

Your view is illogical.

No........it is logical.

It's just not human or credible

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:36 pm

spot;1390292 wrote: I bring this to your attention in passing, not as relevant but as a "there's a job I never applied for"...(2) No person shall sell or offer for sale for human consumption [...] (d)fresh meat from uncastrated male swine of a carcase weight (excluding the limbs at the carpus and tarsus and the head) exceeding 80 kgs unless (i)an inspector has tested such meat for pronounced sexual odours and declared it not to have such odours

The Fresh Meat (Hygiene and Inspection) Regulations 1992 No. 2037 PART IV Regulation 14

yeah that's right .... I had my boar tested at slaughter for signs of sexual activity. Once the hormones start it changes the meat completely. i didn't castrate him (bad bad megan)