No One Sees You Like Your Dog Does

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:34 pm

Ahso!;1381583 wrote:

No? You appear incapable of walking past my posts without innuendo, and, you fail at addressing the subject of the post. You even have need to mention me often enough in threads I don't participate in. What would you like to call it? Boredom ???

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:40 pm

Ahso!;1381651 wrote: What I believe the evidence would support is:1) All mammal species experience emotion and are equal in their emotional needs.

2) Like humans, pets are subject to syndromes such as Stockholm.

3) That the buying, selling, trading and so forth of "pets" is indeed equal to that of a slave trade and humans are the trade's purveyors.

4) That people who engage in the welfare of pets, whether that be the management of; behavioral therapy of; guidance for - only supports and increases the market for this slave trade.

5) If slavery is immoral then it's immoral in all forms.Which of what I've listed above would you care to debate first?

None on account of having debated all of this with Spot In previous threads. Your words are just a re-hash of old Spot posts.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:45 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381898 wrote: Fixed it for you.No, snooze, you fixed it for yourself. That's okay though, you'll never see your cats the same way again. Feelings of love and self worth are also found in free creatures, however, when that's the goal we have less freedom to go about living life speaking and acting recklessly towards others of our own kind.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:48 pm

Is that a record for keeping a New Years resolution for you, Oscar? Enjoy!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:06 pm

There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (1 members and 2 guests)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:07 pm

Ahso!;1381906 wrote: There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (1 members and 2 guests)

And ???

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:14 pm

You were my knight in shining armor? Really? Usually

my memory is so very good, but I don't recall that AT ALL.

Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? Or

did you have a different user name then? Guess I'll

chalk it up to you didn't make a very good impression.

I'm delighted to leave this all sit here. Truly, I am.

I swear to you though I never insulted your wife. How

could I have any way of knowing you had a wife or

daughters or ten or twenty?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:30 pm

I wouldn't give it a second thought, Val. The man is obviously a few bees short of a hive.

Knight in shining armor? hahahaha

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:33 pm

Ahso!;1381904 wrote: No, snooze, you fixed it for yourself. That's okay though, you'll never see your cats the same way again. Feelings of love and self worth are also found in free creatures, however, when that's the goal we have less freedom to go about living life speaking and acting recklessly towards others of our own kind.

I'll never see my cats the same way again? Because you gave such a convincing argument, right? As Oscar already pointed out, it's already been said by spot and a hell of a lot more eloquently. You haven't convinced me of anything except that you're a blight on this forum in general and this thread in particular.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:49 pm

valerie;1381908 wrote: You were my knight in shining armor? Really? Usually

my memory is so very good, but I don't recall that AT ALL.

Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? Or

did you have a different user name then? Guess I'll

chalk it up to you didn't make a very good impression.Oh, I made quite an impression on you according to all those PMs you sent me back then. Hint: The Last Waltz was one of my favorite movies, and you were there, weren't you.

valerie;1381908 wrote: I swear to you though I never insulted your wife. How

could I have any way of knowing you had a wife or

daughters or ten or twenty?That's my point, you don't consider before you post. I thought that malfunction was restricted to your two cohorts.

I pointed the gun back at you, and you still don't get it, do you? Maybe it'll come to you in the middle of the night or something.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:59 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381910 wrote: I'll never see my cats the same way again? Because you gave such a convincing argument, right? As Oscar already pointed out, it's already been said by spot and a hell of a lot more eloquently. You haven't convinced me of anything except that you're a blight on this forum in general and this thread in particular.No, not because I gave a convincing argument, but because you couldn't come up with anything sensible otherwise. You cooked your own skin, I had little to do with it.

Which reminds me, I was doing some thread reading from back in 2006 I think it was and you were fighting with other members back then too. Have you considered talking to someone? I mean, even Valerie was begging you to stop. Do you remember? You know, others may read that stuff too, so why don't you clean up your act now so you can one day make the case that you've grown. Hint: Jack Handy

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:01 pm

Ahso!;1381911 wrote: Oh, I made quite an impression on you according to all those PMs you sent me back then. Hint: The Last Waltz was one of my favorite movies, and you were there, weren't you.

That's my point, you don't consider before you post. I thought that malfunction was restricted to your two cohorts.

I pointed the gun back at you, and you still don't get it, do you? Maybe it'll come to you in the middle of the night or something.
And maybe It'll come to you just how correct Snooze previous post was.

It's not the members here who have a problem... It's you.... Valerie was quite right.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:08 pm

Ahso!;1381912 wrote: No, not because I gave a convincing argument, but because you couldn't come up with anything sensible otherwise. You cooked your own skin, I had little to do with it.

Which reminds me, I was doing some thread reading from back in 2006 I think it was and you were fighting with other members back then too. Have you considered talking to someone? I mean, even Valerie was begging you to stop. Do you remember? You know, others may read that stuff too, so why don't you clean up your act now so you can one day make the case that you've grown. Hint: Jack Handy

I'll give you every reason for my keeping my dogs...

If there were no domesticated dogs, my dogs, would probably not make It to adulthood. They would be picked off by predators providing they hadn't already starved to death because their mother had been picked off by predators.

Assuming they make It Into adulthood, they would then risk Injury over territory fighting. They would face a daily battle for food. The runts of the litter would be abandoned by their parents In a fight of the fittest.

They would face Parvo Virus, Distemper and a whole range of diseases that would kill then before they got to 3 years old. If Infected, they would die slow, long, painful deaths.

They would go hungry. In winter, them and their pups would freeze to death. And eventually.......................

As history proves with other wild species, they would face extinction.

Now go away and write something original.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:38 pm

I have had conflicts with people here, people that called me filthy names and followed me to other forums to continue calling me filthy names, liars that have taken credit for a dead man's creative output, pompous ass holes that pretend to be better than others. And I've been proven correct, even at the expense of having my words immortalized so some twat can throw them back in my face.

However I can also post fun and interesting comments, something I've never seen you do. All in all, I'm pretty happy with myself and with my cat slaves. You, on the other hand, don't seem very happy about anything or you wouldn't take such perverse delight in ruining others threads with your cheap knock-off spot comments.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:49 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381916 wrote: I have had conflicts with people here, people that called me filthy names and followed me to other forums to continue calling me filthy names, liars that have taken credit for a dead man's creative output, pompous ass holes that pretend to be better than others. And I've been proven correct, even at the expense of having my words immortalized so some twat can throw them back in my face.

However I can also post fun and interesting comments, something I've never seen you do. All in all, I'm pretty happy with myself and with my cat slaves. You, on the other hand, don't seem very happy about anything or you wouldn't take such perverse delight in ruining others threads with your cheap knock-off spot comments.And nothing is ever your fault, is it. You don't engage in dirty name-calling, do you. Snooze is right and everybody else is wrong. Do I have all that right?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:04 pm

Ahso!;1381917 wrote: And nothing is ever your fault, is it. You don't engage in dirty name-calling, do you. Snooze is right and everybody else is wrong. Do I have all that right?

Yes

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:06 pm

oscar;1381914 wrote: I'll give you every reason for my keeping my dogs...

If there were no domesticated dogs, my dogs, would probably not make It to adulthood. They would be picked off by predators providing they hadn't already starved to death because their mother had been picked off by predators.

Assuming they make It Into adulthood, they would then risk Injury over territory fighting. They would face a daily battle for food. The runts of the litter would be abandoned by their parents In a fight of the fittest.

They would face Parvo Virus, Distemper and a whole range of diseases that would kill then before they got to 3 years old. If Infected, they would die slow, long, painful deaths.

They would go hungry. In winter, them and their pups would freeze to death. And eventually.......................

As history proves with other wild species, they would face extinction.

Now go away and write something original.You don't read what others type, do you. It's either that or you have a very serious reading comprehension problem, Oscar.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:09 pm

Ahso!;1381919 wrote: You don't read what others type, do you. It's either that or you have a very serious reading comprehension problem, Oscar.

There Is nothing wrong with my reading or comprehension.

I am not alone In seeing when a thread has been deliberately sabotaged and a Spot wannabe with nothing original to say.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Ahso!;1381911 wrote: Oh, I made quite an impression on you according to all those PMs you sent me back then. Hint: The Last Waltz was one of my favorite movies, and you were there, weren't you.

That's my point, you don't consider before you post. I thought that malfunction was restricted to your two cohorts.

I pointed the gun back at you, and you still don't get it, do you? Maybe it'll come to you in the middle of the night or something.

Look, ahso, there's nothing else for me to do. You won't believe me when

I say something, that's sorta your problem. I don't have any cohorts,

but think that if you wish, I certainly can't stop you. Just FTR, I don't

point a gun unless it's at the shooting range and using a paper target.

So far in my life, anyway.

If you're surprised at my demeanor now, what can I say to that? Sorry you

are? That doesn't seem right, because I don't care whether you are

surprised, I really don't.

There is so much in this thread that you could have responded to, but

you don't you just shine it on. Try and do and end around and hope

I won't notice. But I'm at the point where I'm not going to keep going

back and sifting them out and re-posting.

Wanna hear a good (although old!) joke?

Two bulls are on a hill overlooking a field full of a herd of cows.

Younger bull says: "Hey Dad, let's run down there and **** us

one of those cows".

Dad bull says: "No son, let's WALK down and **** 'em all".

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:08 pm

valerie;1381632 wrote: First, I'd like to say that I pm'd the OP and asked if I could reply

here, because I thought Snooze had a valid point about Ahso

mucking up this thread. OP graciously told me to "Go for it!"

Ahso, there's no real way to give you all my qualifications, suffice

it to say that I am a pet handler/caregiver/observer of over

50 years duration, of many different species. In that time yes,

we did things a lot differently than we do now. However, there

are some things that haven't changed, too.

I don't have to work hard to convince anyone how good I am to and

for domestic animals. And many others I know, who work tirelessly

in a myriad of ways to improve the condition of the animals near and

far.

Perhaps you haven't seen any nature programs and haven't seen

wolf packs, who quite often leave one adult back at a den site to

care for a litter of pups while the others venture out for a long night

of hunting. And the enthusiastic greeting ritual that occurs when

the adults return. (And before you start in on the pups getting fed

by encouraging regurgitation, yes, that's part of it, too)

People who truly CARE about their animals yes, do indeed deny

their naturally occurring hormonal activity. People who do not

care allow indiscriminate mating. I've got some links to some

shelter videos I could give you if you like. Would you really rather

have so many homeless animals in this country, existences AND

deaths sooooo much further down the scale than the poor dog

who waits patiently at home and then is overjoyed to see his

"daddy" return?

Seeing my dog the day I got back from Afghanistan - YouTube

I don't have an actual percentage for you, but you have to take my

word that most of the people I know do much to make their dogs'

lives the best they possibly can, getting them 4 legged companions,

getting them day care, yes, even taking them WITH them in their

daily travels, to work or wherever. Spend vast amounts of money, too.

The greeting ritual can be displayed whether someone is gone for

10 minutes or 10 hours, with no discernible difference in intensity.

I love to see it, although I am with my dog a lot.

You seem to imply that people are anthropomorphizing with their

dogs, and then you do what amounts to the same thing when you

say the dog is "probably displaying a relief that someone to spend

some time with is finally home;" you really have no idea, and that's just a guess

on your part.

I also must address what really came off as snark on your part, the

whole bit about the housewives. I am one, and I do so gratefully

and happily, it's what I desire to do. No, there's no retirement age,

but I take it as I go, and it's a hell of a lot better than putting on

a skirt and nylons and going away to work. And I also, with my dog

by my side, go out and greet my husband when he gets home.

He doesn't MAKE me stay home, he works very hard at his job and

LETS me stay home, like I love to do. I had to kiss a lot of frogs to

get my man!

I'm not fooling myself, I do consider my dog. When she and I go for

our hour long morning walks, she is the queen of loose-lead

walking. I'm not pulling her, she's not dragging me... we are just

2 beings out together for companionship and an enjoyable time.

The lead is there because I am a law abiding citizen.

That's it for now, I apologize to most of you for the length, but I

strongly felt it needed to be said.I addressed the highlighted part in this thread earlier. Let me go ahead and answer the following question.

Question:

People who do not care allow indiscriminate mating. I've got some links to some

shelter videos I could give you if you like. Would you really rather

have so many homeless animals in this country, existences AND

deaths sooooo much further down the scale than the poor dog

who waits patiently at home and then is overjoyed to see his

"daddy" return?

Answer:

Where did i state I wanted to see a lot of homeless animals? What I've said is that animal buying, selling, trading, adopting, managing and so forth is a form of slavery. Nowhere have I advocated for any solution, and the reason for that is the conversation never got that far. It turned into the Dr Phil show.

I see no other question to answer here Valerie, point them out if I'm mistaken.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:10 pm

valerie;1381636 wrote: Well you see, I was being POLITE by asking Tabby what she thought

about it. I am here extremely rarely, and don't know her. I don't think

of it as odd, nor do I think the majority would. I'll go with that, thanks.

You think Snooze had it wrong, I didn't/don't. Quelle impasse, no? I'm

not hiding in a corner, I posted didn't I? And not in any group, either.

Again, here extremely rarely. As to control, that's REALLY a laugh,

thanks!! :yh_rotfl I poke my head in here from time to time, and

happened across a delightful video to view. Snooze didn't direct

me here, nor any other person, just so's ya know.

I advocate as you say, so that's what I did. In a nice way, because I'm

a nice person. You, on the other hand, certainly don't come off that

way at all. Now, now, don't get those panties in a bunch about it,

I'm quite sure you don't give a fig about how you come off.

I SMELL PETA!!!

Toodles!!

:-6I see no questions here unless I'm missing them.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:12 pm

valerie;1381714 wrote: Again I say: :yh_rotfl Moi, afraid of a word? Hardly!

Don't care to examine your claims. I chose to "engage" only

to give my ideas, of course staying within the rules of the

site.

As I have previously done, in the main so that other

viewers who might happen upon this (and may not want

to post themselves) can read what I have to say. FG has

done a good job of keeping stuff around, so it's there, and

I quite like that.

Dear God man, you used the word "pets"!! Horrors!! What a slip!

I in fact DO tend to talk in a much warmer way, I think people

might relate to that and it's my style, from long history, so no

FYI needed, really.

You flatter yourself that you think you scared me away, not on a

bet, jefe. I have very good self-esteem, who I am and what I can do.

And what I care to do. And that's the name of that tune.

:-6Nothing here to answer, Valerie. In fact you state you're not interested in the conversation.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:14 pm

valerie;1381676 wrote: No thanks on a debate, especially not with someone

with such an obvious agenda. You might get some

jollies from it but I think it would be a waste of time.

I will say though, that the four legged ones who

reside here with me

were not 'bought' and

have a cush home here for their lifetimes. Never sold

or abandoned to the elements. If there are any slaves

to be found here, although I hate to use that word,

it would be me. You can't convince me that I don't

have their very best interest in mind. I know to a

surety that I do.

I feel sorry for you that you can't understand the

deep, loving connection I have with this gang. And

especially my heart dog, Tamsen. I was slave

enough to her to get moist towelettes and

wipe her butt twice a day for months on end so

she could eliminate without having to negotiate

the trip outside. She laid on her memory foam bed

and went on a newspaper in the house. This from

my very dear old girl who had been reliably housetrained

since about 11 1/2 weeks of age.

The very dear old girl whose ashes reside in a cedar

box to the left of me as I type.I see no questions in this post, Valerie. Again, you state that you're mostly uninterested.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:15 pm

valerie;1381755 wrote: Bit of reading comprehension FAIL there ahso. I will try and clear some

things up for ya.

Your post didn't go without notice; YZGI, because he is in fact one,

even quoted it but you apparently missed the sarcasm contained

therein. (His post #8 in this thread)

My post #11 came before I heard back from the OP, remember me

saying I had pm'd her? Post #22 where you thought it was "odd".

Otherwise, I would have likely replied at an earlier time.

You also seemingly missed the place in my post #23 where I assured

you Snooze didn't direct me here. You have no way of verifying but

I DON'T LIE. Haven't in oh, say 20 years or so. When I posted I

gave no thought whether Snooze needed my "support" as you

call it. And you got a word wrong, I don't have to "aspire" to be

Snooze's loyal friend :yh_rotfl I already ARE one!! :yh_rotfl

Of many, many years duration.

Just to let you know, I personally don't think of myself as a "higher"

species. Different, yes. Higher, no.

Now I'm going to play armchair psychologist. I love this part!

I think you are threatened by intelligent women, of which Snooze,

Tabby and I are premier examples. I'd bet folding money you

would disagree, and that's okay.Nothing here to respond to, Valerie.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:19 pm

valerie;1381772 wrote: Classic, ahso, classic. Once again, RCF. I didn't say you made a judgement

about whether we were intelligent or not, just that you feel threatened

by it. I'm more sure about that now!

I don't know any other ways to explain to you that I'm not interested

in what you propose but that doesn't bother me, some people just

don't GET things.

You're all over the map. You want me to do something again, because

it would please you yet you refuse to do any of the other real "work"

towards discussion.

I suppose I should thank you for the good hearty laugh once again,

waaaaay into this thread and NOW you say you saw the cuteness

in the video?!?!?!? In an earlier post you FYI'd me about my posting

style, so now I return the oh gee... favor shall we say? Did you

ever hear the expression "You catch more flies with honey than you

do with vinegar"? What do you think of that phrase.

Let me try another tack... how about you start going through and

responding to some things and answering some questions... I

know, here's one, why do YOU "reside" with a "slave" hmmm?

Get off that one trick pony you're on and maybe you can get

somewhere on foot!I responded to the highlighted question, the others, however, appear to be rhetorical. We're not short of insult and more DR. Phil though, are we.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:23 pm

valerie;1381860 wrote: What *I* know is that there is at least one person out there who believes

pet ownership is slavery. For the umpteenth time, no matter how much you

poke at it, I'm not going to try and show you where you're wrong. Exercise

in futility. You'd "relish" it if I tried... remember a few posts back where I

said you'd get your jollies? You're firmly entrenched. I'm confident my

animals aren't slaves, you aren't about to change my mind, so it's a moot

point at this stage.

You must have guilt at being a slave owner, and you're trying to get

someone to assuage that guilt; honey, it ain't gonna be me. I go back

to, if you feel so strongly about this, why DON'T you start your own threads

and proselytize to your heart's content? Maybe you can in fact get

someone to 'spar' with.

If you "own" a pet, and believe me, you DO especially if something

happens... and you don't want to euthanize and remove yet you

don't want to deny their hormonal tendencies, then it's a case of

semantics, you just want everyone to say "pets are slaves, and

I own one" so what where does that get anybody?The only thing I see in this post that may possibly deserve an answer might be the last line, but I chose not to because it was a mis characterization of what I'd said.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:30 pm

So there you have all the posts you claim I'd either ignored or evaded responding to your questions. Fill me in here, Valerie.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:47 am

All your above posts scream Bully, Troll, Flame and Bait.

Is there anyone you actually get along with on this forum other than trying to emulate Spot by re-writing his old posts and trying to pass them off as your own ? If there Is then I must have missed It because you seem to fall foul of just about everyone.

Why are you here? What Is the point of deliberately sabotaging threads? And why only sabotage women members threads? Or did you think no-one has noticed that.?

What Is apparent Is something Valerie said In that you seem to have a problem with strong women. It's a little rich coming from some-one who whined about being bullied himself on this forum.

You make ridiculous accusations such as I am obsessed with you and Snooze flirts with you..... yeah... In your dreams.

You have made personal attacks on Valerie and Snooze whilst descending Tabby's thread Ito a farce.

You seem to relish In belittling, humiliating and putting them down while you yourself offer nothing to this forum.

Valerie Is a very much thought of member of this forum and your personal attacks on her are disgusting as Is your attempt to belittle Snooze.

This Is not the first time you have taken a thread way off tangent but you are the first to whine If some-one else does It.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:27 am

Oscar, I thought your comment (in another thread) about his photo looking like he's an actor from a cheesy science fiction show was hilarious and exactly right. I can't look at it now without snickering.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:30 am

SnoozeAgain;1381939 wrote: Oscar, I thought your comment (in another thread) about his photo looking like he's an actor from a cheesy science fiction show was hilarious and exactly right. I can't look at it now without snickering. Please get It right Snoozy.......... I said... ' Low Budget Sci Fi Flick'.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:41 am

Well, "low budget" was a given. :sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:30 am

SnoozeAgain;1381945 wrote: Well, "low budget" was a given. :sneaky: Positively Z list rating.

Just off now to take my 3 'slave' dogs down to the woods to catch some rabbits for their dinner.

Laters.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:44 am

I have a question for you Ahso.

Is it your belief that animals should not be used for the benefit of mankind i.e., pets for comfort, animals for food or clothing?

If you respond and I don't reply quickly, I am coming and going around here today.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:45 am

valerie;1381922 wrote: Look, ahso, there's nothing else for me to do. You won't believe me when

I say something, that's sorta your problem. I don't have any cohorts,

but think that if you wish, I certainly can't stop you. Just FTR, I don't

point a gun unless it's at the shooting range and using a paper target.

So far in my life, anyway.

If you're surprised at my demeanor now, what can I say to that? Sorry you

are? That doesn't seem right, because I don't care whether you are

surprised, I really don't.

There is so much in this thread that you could have responded to, but

you don't you just shine it on. Try and do and end around and hope

I won't notice. But I'm at the point where I'm not going to keep going

back and sifting them out and re-posting.

Wanna hear a good (although old!) joke?

Two bulls are on a hill overlooking a field full of a herd of cows.

Younger bull says: "Hey Dad, let's run down there and **** us

one of those cows".

Dad bull says: "No son, let's WALK down and **** 'em all".

Damn, now I want to be an old bull..

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:55 pm

YZGI;1381993 wrote: I have a question for you Ahso.

Is it your belief that animals should not be used for the benefit of mankind i.e., pets for comfort, animals for food or clothing?

If you respond and I don't reply quickly, I am coming and going around here today.I think that's the $640,000.00 question. That question has to be debated by each individual and depending on each one's life view come to a decision. First, of course we have to admit what your question suggests is indeed the fact of the purpose of every domesticated animals existence - service to humans.

I'm an evolutionist, so the question I've wrestled with is whether or not this fate of domesticated animals (and sea creatures) is in fact part of the selection process. After much deliberation within myself I say "no". That's a"yes" to your question.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:04 pm

Ahso!;1382092 wrote: I think that's the $640,000.00 question. That question has to be debated by each individual and depending on each one's life view come to a decision. First, of course we have to admit what your question suggests is indeed the fact of the purpose of every domesticated animals existence - service to humans.

I'm an evolutionist, so the question I've wrestled with is whether or not this fate of domesticated animals (and sea creatures) is in fact part of the selection process. After much deliberation within myself I say "no". That's a"yes" to your question.

Do you have any problem with plant life being used for comfort, food or clothing?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:12 pm

Ahso!;1382092 wrote: I think that's the $640,000.00 question. That question has to be debated by each individual and depending on each one's life view come to a decision. First, of course we have to admit what your question suggests is indeed the fact of the purpose of every domesticated animals existence - service to humans.

I'm an evolutionist, so the question I've wrestled with is whether or not this fate of domesticated animals (and sea creatures) is in fact part of the selection process. After much deliberation within myself I say "no". That's a"yes" to your question.

Consider, if you will, the domesticated animals and their wild counterparts :-

for the cow you have the auroch and the bison - one extinct and the other on the verge

for the pig you have the boar - on the edge

for the dog you have the wolf - slowly making a comeback but see the various threads on this site as to their status

for the cat you have the lion, tiger, etc - mostly endangered

and so it goes on. Is domestication slavery or is it symbiosis? Is the benefit all to man or is it of benefit to both?

Up until recently dogs and cats worked hard for their keep and were kept for their work - slaves? No, employees because they gained a significant advantage through the relationship.

Now? They retain the advantages without having to do the work.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:43 pm

Bryn Mawr;1382101 wrote: Consider, if you will, the domesticated animals and their wild counterparts :-

for the cow you have the auroch and the bison - one extinct and the other on the verge

for the pig you have the boar - on the edge

for the dog you have the wolf - slowly making a comeback but see the various threads on this site as to their status

for the cat you have the lion, tiger, etc - mostly endangered

and so it goes on. Is domestication slavery or is it symbiosis? Is the benefit all to man or is it of benefit to both?

Up until recently dogs and cats worked hard for their keep and were kept for their work - slaves? No, employees because they gained a significant advantage through the relationship.

Now? They retain the advantages without having to do the work.

Absolutely Bryn....

Can I just add to that ?

Two examples....

First the wild dog of the Savannah..... declining In numbers and extremely rare.

Second.... The Wolf In Yellowstone Park USA, The Wolf population declined by 43% between 2007 to 2010 without any Intervention by man.

Yellowstone National Park - Wolves of Yellowstone (U.S. National Park Service)

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:50 pm

If I accept the premise that pets are slaves, then I'm double doomed because both my cats are black.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:57 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382111 wrote: If I accept the premise that pets are slaves, then I'm double doomed because both my cats are black.

There's a Freudian joke in there somewhere. I think.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:13 pm

YZGI;1382114 wrote: There's a Freudian joke in there somewhere. I think. I thought It was an euphemism

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:22 pm

My cats don't smoke cigars.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:30 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382121 wrote: My cats don't smoke cigars. Of course not. They have no opposing thumbs In which to strike a match to light them silly.

Anyway... In the UK, Black Cats are considered Lucky

FULL CIRCLE: Those Lucky Black Cats

If One doesn't cross my path, I drive around It In circles until he does.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:45 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382121 wrote: My cats don't smoke cigars.

The question is:Why do you have cigars around?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:57 pm

oscar;1382123 wrote: Of course not. They have no opposing thumbs In which to strike a match to light them silly.

Anyway... In the UK, Black Cats are considered Lucky

FULL CIRCLE: Those Lucky Black Cats

If One doesn't cross my path, I drive around It In circles until he does.

Ha! You don't need thumbs, silly.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:59 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382126 wrote: Ha! You don't need thumbs, silly.

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Oh well... At least he's armless

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:03 pm

Have you seen that movie? It's pretty creepy.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:12 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382129 wrote: Have you seen that movie? It's pretty creepy. Is It a bit like 'Boxing Helena' ?

It looks creepy.... I may not sleep now.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:22 pm

It's about a "Freak Show" and has a lot of performers from those types of shows. There's a strange plot but it's basically a vehicle to show all these people.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:25 pm

SnoozeAgain;1382132 wrote: It's about a "Freak Show" and has a lot of performers from those types of shows. There's a strange plot but it's basically a vehicle to show all these people.

I thought It was called 'Mock' Forum............. present company not Included of course...