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Ain't it the truth!
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I LOVE that! Another addition to my FB wall. :-4
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lol ... yay ... glad to hear you're enjoying them!
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Life is a Highway. Let's share the Commute.
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Great videos!!

Dogs rule!

Here is one of my dog, Zeus.

Dog Amazing! Zeus!! - YouTube

I agree....no one understands you better then your dog.

Lady J and Zeus
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What a handsome dog.
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Sorry to interrupt the love fest here, and I know some of you will be angry at me for this but...

...It's interesting how hard some people work convincing themselves and others they're actually good to and for domesticated animals. They need to actually make up bullshit videos pretending the creature thinks as they wish they did.

You all really can't see this?
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Ahso!;1381392 wrote: Sorry to interrupt the love fest here, and I know some of you will be angry at me for this but...

...It's interesting how hard some people work convincing themselves and others they're actually good to and for domesticated animals. They need to actually make up bullshit videos pretending the creature thinks as they wish they did.

You all really can't see this?


Mornin sunshine.
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YZGI;1381400 wrote: Mornin sunshine.Hey, Sweetie
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Ahso!;1381392 wrote: Sorry to interrupt the love fest here, and I know some of you will be angry at me for this but...

...It's interesting how hard some people work convincing themselves and others they're actually good to and for domesticated animals. They need to actually make up bullshit videos pretending the creature thinks as they wish they did.

You all really can't see this?


Wow, I had no idea! Thank you so much for helping me realize something that only an idiot wouldn't already know. I feel so silly but oh so grateful to you. You're a hero. You're the wind beneath my wings.
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Tabby, I will be passing on that vid, very cute!

Lady J, what a handsome sweet boy Zeus is!

Here is one showing the relationship between cats and dogs,

Snooze has seen it before, but for the rest:

gracie vs tamsen - YouTube

Both Tamsen and Gracie are at the Bridge now, probably doing

more of the same...

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I see you've shortened your response, I should have quoted you earlier.

Is this your way of saying you'd rather not discuss my theory?SnoozeAgain;1381460 wrote: Wow, I had no idea! Thank you so much for helping me realize something that only an idiot wouldn't already know. I feel so silly but oh so grateful to you. You're a hero. You're the wind beneath my wings.That's too bad if it is because introspection is a marvelous discipline, though something I suspect most pet owners would prefer not to engage in. (for full disclosure, we reside with a dog in our home.)

Look at the idea of the video: Fido is a good dog because Johnny believes Fido thinks Johnny is a cool dude. Seriously, it doesn't get any more blatant than that. Never mind the fact that Fido has no life of his own; has been selectively bred, and in doing so been denied natural occurring hormonal activity which causes Fido to remain equal to that of a 2 year old child emotionally. Speaking of which [emotion], have you ever considered how emotionally distressing it must be for a pet to stay at home alone daily while observing the humans go about their daily existence? How would you like such an existence as a two year old your entire life? Human females have gone to great lengths to change a similar existence they were bound to in the past. At least get the dog a prescription for an antidepressant for goodness sake.

But all we see is a wagging tail and an excited pooch when we enter the door. Never mind the fact that Fido is probably displaying a relief that someone to spend some time with is finally home; you know, like a wife used to do when hubby came home. Not to mention those caged birds singing (?) in the background that appear to sound so nice. Music to our ears, isn't it.
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You're mistaken, thats my original and unedited post.

The video was meant to be funny and it succeeds for those that actually have a sense of humor. I can't speak for Tabby but I know I'd appreciate it if you'd limit your negative and unwanted comments to a thread that's actually dedicated to the inhumanity of keeping pets. You and spot should enjoy that discussion, I'm not sure anyone else would.
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SnoozeAgain;1381520 wrote: You're mistaken, thats my original and unedited post.

The video was meant to be funny and it succeeds for those that actually have a sense of humor. I can't speak for Tabby but I know I'd appreciate it if you'd limit your negative and unwanted comments to a thread that's actually dedicated to the inhumanity of keeping pets. You and spot should enjoy that discussion, I'm not sure anyone else would.Intent aside, I'm talking about how each person interprets the video. And how would you know intent anyway?

Humanity? Really? How do you define humanity? Imprisoning living creatures? That's your humanity? And using them for your personal benefit (then to top it off, pretend that's not the reality of the situation)?

Maybe you'd like to cease the personal attacks and explain where I'm mistaken?
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That wasn't meant as a personal attack, merely an observation. You don't have a discernible sense of humor.
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SnoozeAgain;1381525 wrote: That wasn't meant as a personal attack, merely an observation. You don't have a discernible sense of humor.Why not address the post, snooze? If you can't, simply ignore it. I'm taken, in case you didn't know.
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SnoozeAgain;1381525 wrote: That wasn't meant as a personal attack, merely an observation. You don't have a discernible sense of humor.


I think Mr. Eloi is calling you a Morlock.:sneaky:
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YZGI;1381546 wrote: I think Mr. Eloi is calling you a Morlock.:sneaky:
You know what's weird? I've worked with a guy whose first name was Eloy and another one whose last name was Morlock. Scary!
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Ahso!;1381532 wrote: Why not address the post, snooze? If you can't, simply ignore it. I'm taken, in case you didn't know.


I don't have an opinion, I have cats. They seem perfectly content to sleep for 16 hours a day.

I don't understand "I'm taken, in case you didn't know". Did it appear I was flirting with you? I can assure you I wasn't.
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SnoozeAgain;1381578 wrote: I don't have an opinion, I have cats. They seem perfectly content to sleep for 16 hours a day.So did the housewife of the past. The difference is that pet owners accept a do nothing pet as opposed to a do nothing spouse. That in itself is weird. This is about the fact that most pet owners who like to think of themselves as nice people are in fact selfish, controlling individuals who unwittingly torture their pets in what they see as in a polite and caring way. They do not however consider the pet like they fool themselves into thinking they do.

SnoozeAgain;1381578 wrote: I don't understand "I'm taken, in case you didn't know". Did it appear I was flirting with you? I can assure you I wasn't.No? You appear incapable of walking past my posts without innuendo, and, you fail at addressing the subject of the post. You even have need to mention me often enough in threads I don't participate in. What would you like to call it?
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First, I'd like to say that I pm'd the OP and asked if I could reply

here, because I thought Snooze had a valid point about Ahso

mucking up this thread. OP graciously told me to "Go for it!"

Ahso, there's no real way to give you all my qualifications, suffice

it to say that I am a pet handler/caregiver/observer of over

50 years duration, of many different species. In that time yes,

we did things a lot differently than we do now. However, there

are some things that haven't changed, too.

I don't have to work hard to convince anyone how good I am to and

for domestic animals. And many others I know, who work tirelessly

in a myriad of ways to improve the condition of the animals near and

far.

Perhaps you haven't seen any nature programs and haven't seen

wolf packs, who quite often leave one adult back at a den site to

care for a litter of pups while the others venture out for a long night

of hunting. And the enthusiastic greeting ritual that occurs when

the adults return. (And before you start in on the pups getting fed

by encouraging regurgitation, yes, that's part of it, too)

People who truly CARE about their animals yes, do indeed deny

their naturally occurring hormonal activity. People who do not

care allow indiscriminate mating. I've got some links to some

shelter videos I could give you if you like. Would you really rather

have so many homeless animals in this country, existences AND

deaths sooooo much further down the scale than the poor dog

who waits patiently at home and then is overjoyed to see his

"daddy" return?

Seeing my dog the day I got back from Afghanistan - YouTube

I don't have an actual percentage for you, but you have to take my

word that most of the people I know do much to make their dogs'

lives the best they possibly can, getting them 4 legged companions,

getting them day care, yes, even taking them WITH them in their

daily travels, to work or wherever. Spend vast amounts of money, too.

The greeting ritual can be displayed whether someone is gone for

10 minutes or 10 hours, with no discernible difference in intensity.

I love to see it, although I am with my dog a lot.

You seem to imply that people are anthropomorphizing with their

dogs, and then you do what amounts to the same thing when you

say the dog is "probably displaying a relief that someone to spend

some time with is finally home;" you really have no idea, and that's just a guess

on your part.

I also must address what really came off as snark on your part, the

whole bit about the housewives. I am one, and I do so gratefully

and happily, it's what I desire to do. No, there's no retirement age,

but I take it as I go, and it's a hell of a lot better than putting on

a skirt and nylons and going away to work. And I also, with my dog

by my side, go out and greet my husband when he gets home.

He doesn't MAKE me stay home, he works very hard at his job and

LETS me stay home, like I love to do. I had to kiss a lot of frogs to

get my man!

I'm not fooling myself, I do consider my dog. When she and I go for

our hour long morning walks, she is the queen of loose-lead

walking. I'm not pulling her, she's not dragging me... we are just

2 beings out together for companionship and an enjoyable time.

The lead is there because I am a law abiding citizen.

That's it for now, I apologize to most of you for the length, but I

strongly felt it needed to be said.
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valerie;1381632 wrote: First, I'd like to say that I pm'd the OP and asked if I could reply

here, because I thought Snooze had a valid point about Ahso

mucking up this thread. OP graciously told me to "Go for it!"I can't imagine why Tabby would say anything else, her participation in this forum has proven to be one of an open mind and tolerance for differing thoughts to subjects. Soliciting permission to post in a thread? That's odd!

Snooze has it wrong. This is a discussion forum and you can't hide in a corner of the room and play amongst yourselves without the possibility of some outside your group choosing to participate in the discussion provided the rules of the site are adhered to. My comments may be unwanted by you and snooze but they're valid and relevant. The only thing I've mucked up is the control the two of you wish to assert.

Like it or not, I'm going to advocate for the animals you call pets anytime I choose to.

I'll address the remainder of your post tomorrow.
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Ahso!;1381633 wrote: I can't imagine why Tabby would say anything else, her participation in this forum has proven to be one of an open mind and tolerance for differing thoughts to subjects. Soliciting permission to post in a thread? That's odd!

Snooze has it wrong. This is a discussion forum and you can't hide in a corner of the room and play amongst yourselves without the possibility of some outside your group choosing to participate in the discussion provided the rules of the site are adhered to. My comments may be unwanted by you and snooze but they're valid and relevant. The only thing I've mucked up is the control the two of you wish to assert.

Like it or not, I'm going to advocate for the animals you call pets anytime I choose to.

I'll address the remainder of your post tomorrow.


Well you see, I was being POLITE by asking Tabby what she thought

about it. I am here extremely rarely, and don't know her. I don't think

of it as odd, nor do I think the majority would. I'll go with that, thanks.

You think Snooze had it wrong, I didn't/don't. Quelle impasse, no? I'm

not hiding in a corner, I posted didn't I? And not in any group, either.

Again, here extremely rarely. As to control, that's REALLY a laugh,

thanks!! :yh_rotfl I poke my head in here from time to time, and

happened across a delightful video to view. Snooze didn't direct

me here, nor any other person, just so's ya know.

I advocate as you say, so that's what I did. In a nice way, because I'm

a nice person. You, on the other hand, certainly don't come off that

way at all. Now, now, don't get those panties in a bunch about it,

I'm quite sure you don't give a fig about how you come off.

I SMELL PETA!!!

Toodles!!

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Oh come on Val, you know I forced you to post in this thread because I'm stalking Ahso.

:yh_eyerol

I believe he might be mixing me up with Oscar, I know she loves and admires him very much. He really does seem to hit it off with the women of this forum so it's an easy mistake.

Edited to add:

Ahso wrote: No? You appear incapable of walking past my posts without innuendo, and, you fail at addressing the subject of the post. You even have need to mention me often enough in threads I don't participate in. What would you like to call it?


I just read four pages of my past posts and other than a comment about you thinking I'm flirting with you when bruv thought I was stalking HIM, I mentioned you in the thread about the Marines urinating on dead Taliban when I wrote "Ahso, is that you?" to spot. I can't find any innuendos. I suspect this is the same as when I factually commented that you don't have a sense of humor and you accused me of a personal attack... and then proceeded to make personal attacks. Reading my post history, it would appear that I am, in fact, stalking Jones Jones and Tabby since they're the ones that I reply to most frequently. Nice try though.

Sorry for the interruption, Val. Your discussion is much more interesting than this sideshow.
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valerie;1381632 wrote:

You seem to imply that people are anthropomorphizing with their

dogs, and then you do what amounts to the same thing when you

say the dog is "probably displaying a relief that someone to spend

some time with is finally home;" you really have no idea, and that's just a guess

on your part.What I believe the evidence would support is:1) All mammal species experience emotion and are equal in their emotional needs.

2) Like humans, pets are subject to syndromes such as Stockholm.

3) That the buying, selling, trading and so forth of "pets" is indeed equal to that of a slave trade and humans are the trade's purveyors.

4) That people who engage in the welfare of pets, whether that be the management of; behavioral therapy of; guidance for - only supports and increases the market for this slave trade.

5) If slavery is immoral then it's immoral in all forms.Which of what I've listed above would you care to debate first?
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No thanks on a debate, especially not with someone

with such an obvious agenda. You might get some

jollies from it but I think it would be a waste of time.

I will say though, that the four legged ones who

reside here with me ;) were not 'bought' and

have a cush home here for their lifetimes. Never sold

or abandoned to the elements. If there are any slaves

to be found here, although I hate to use that word,

it would be me. You can't convince me that I don't

have their very best interest in mind. I know to a

surety that I do.

I feel sorry for you that you can't understand the

deep, loving connection I have with this gang. And

especially my heart dog, Tamsen. I was slave

enough to her to get moist towelettes and

wipe her butt twice a day for months on end so

she could eliminate without having to negotiate

the trip outside. She laid on her memory foam bed

and went on a newspaper in the house. This from

my very dear old girl who had been reliably housetrained

since about 11 1/2 weeks of age.

The very dear old girl whose ashes reside in a cedar

box to the left of me as I type.
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Don't be afraid of a word, I don't mean a competition, but an examination of my claims. In fact I can see I should have used the word examination. My mistake. Perhaps you could have one of your dogs stand in for you? *kidding*

I'm left wondering why it is you chose to engage me if your only intention (agenda?) was to back out when confronted with an objectively factual conversation. Who among us lacks an agenda? Certainly not you.

Something I noticed about your posts though, FYI, is that you tend to talk about you. This thread is not about you and your pets, nor are any posts I'd written.

Again, sorry to have scared you away. There really is nothing to be frightened of, I was hoping you would teach me something.

Let me know if you decide to change your mind, I'll happily reengage you.
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Again I say: :yh_rotfl Moi, afraid of a word? Hardly!

Don't care to examine your claims. I chose to "engage" only

to give my ideas, of course staying within the rules of the

site. ;) As I have previously done, in the main so that other

viewers who might happen upon this (and may not want

to post themselves) can read what I have to say. FG has

done a good job of keeping stuff around, so it's there, and

I quite like that.

Dear God man, you used the word "pets"!! Horrors!! What a slip!

I in fact DO tend to talk in a much warmer way, I think people

might relate to that and it's my style, from long history, so no

FYI needed, really.

You flatter yourself that you think you scared me away, not on a

bet, jefe. I have very good self-esteem, who I am and what I can do.

And what I care to do. And that's the name of that tune.

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I don’t get much opportunity to visit FG during the week so I didn’t realize that the intent and mood of the post was being veered off course. I posted the video because I knew some of the animal lovers on the site would appreciate it for what it was and I think their initial responses showed that they did just that. The video was created by the Los Angeles Humane Society as a funny, lighthearted and slightly zany poke of fun at the wonderful relationships that can exist between humans and their pets. Period.

I can’t speak for the others here but I’m reasonably certain my cats and dogs don’t think I'm cool even if they did have the cognitive ability to discern such a relative quality. Although in my defense, I did recently learn to do the knuckle bump which should elevate me somewhat in their esteem but the jury is still out on that. Do cats and dogs have emotion? Of course they do. To what degree? Well, I’d say they certainly have enough to trigger within them qualities such as devotion, loyalty, humor, concern, grief to name but a few. They aren’t all the same any more than all people are the same.

If I’m understanding this correctly, I’m to believe that because they have emotion, I’m Simon Legree and they’re a pet equivalent of Uncle Tom? Oh good grief.

Seriously, the issues raised about pet owners being afraid of introspection and how cruel we must be to own these wonderful creatures isn’t something I’m interested in debating because it came across as a challenge intended to show some kind of pseudo intellectual superiority and it’s been my experience that most debates begun in that fashion aren’t really intended as debates to begin with as much as an opportunistic verbal beating intended to somehow reduce other people to perceived feelings of inferiority. Call me weird but that’s not my idea of a good time, win or lose.

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tabby;1381721 wrote: I can’t speak for the others here but I’m reasonably certain my cats and dogs don’t think I'm cool...You're correct about only speaking for yourself, and perhaps anything I've written may or may not apply to you. My original post addressed those who are mostly unaware of their motives. Is that you? I don't know. Is it anyone here? I don't know, but judging by the emotional reactions it received, I'd guess it might be. Don't forget, I've admitted to having a dog at our residence as well. tabby;1381721 wrote: Do cats and dogs have emotion? Of course they do. To what degree? Well, I’d say they certainly have enough to trigger within them qualities such as devotion, loyalty, humor, concern, grief to name but a few. They aren’t all the same any more than all people are the same. All mammals (including humans) possess a mammalian brain where emotion resides. Is your statement of "they aren't all the same any more than all people are the same" a claim that emotional content varies not only between species but among them as well? I'd agree that environment may play a part in the level of displayed emotion, but yes all mammals possess the same emotions.

"The limbic system, essentially alike in all mammals, lies above the brain stem and under the cortex and consists of a number of interconnected structures. Researchers have linked these structures to hormones, drives, temperature control, emotion, and one part, the hippocampus to memory formation."

And

"In a sense, the human brain is like an archeological site with the outer layer composed of the most recent brain structure, and the deeper layers consisting of structures from our shared evolutionary history with the reptiles and mammals."

Overview of the human brain
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...it came across as a challenge intended to show some kind of pseudo intellectual superiority and it’s been my experience that most debates begun in that fashion aren’t really intended as debates to begin with as much as an opportunistic verbal beating intended to somehow reduce other people to perceived feelings of inferiority...


Got that right.
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tabby;1381721 wrote: Do cats and dogs have emotion? Of course they do. To what degree? Well, I’d say they certainly have enough to trigger within them qualities such as devotion, loyalty, humor, concern, grief to name but a few. They aren’t all the same any more than all people are the same.I'd also like to point out that what you interpret as devotion & loyalty is merely an animal committing itself to what it sees as it's best chance of survival and becomes emotionally tied to the object (you) of that commitment. It's all about survival.
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tabby;1381721 wrote: The video was created by the Los Angeles Humane Society as a funny, lighthearted and slightly zany poke of fun at the wonderful relationships that can exist between humans and their pets. Period.Surely the video was produced with the hope it would inspire people to adopt pets which would make it a marketing tool. The relationship you describe is in most cases a one way one the animal did not choose and is making the most of what any human, put in the same circumstances, would see as a bad situation, to put it mildly.

Slaves who choose the path of survival rather than suicide or facing the consequences of attempting to escape learn to adapt to their situation, and, in many cases, actually thrive in their captivity. Are you certain that is not what pets do? If captivity was wrong for people, why is it right for other species? Could it be because animal owners see themselves as a "higher species"? That would be rather arrogant, wouldn't it? Of course, what we all know is that pet owners are nothing if not sweet, pleasant, thoughtful people.

Simply put: because the slave owner lacks the capacity to empathize with the slave does not mean the slave agrees to the slavery. That is only a selfish outlook on the part of the slave owner, or in this case, pet owner.
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SnoozeAgain;1381729 wrote: Got that right.SnoozeAgain;1381460 wrote: Thank you so much for helping me realize something that only an idiot wouldn't already know. You agreed with me, snoozie. Why don't you stop acting like a child and get in the conversation or just leave the thread? Your behavior is beginning to resemble that of a gnat. I say that to save you the embarrassment you're going to experience if you decide to revisit this thread at a later date. It's good advice and you should take it. You should know that if you had only permitted my first post go unanswered none of what has followed would have occurred. The rest of the people in the thread did that initially until Valerie apparently felt you needed support and came to your defense like the loyal friend she obviously aspires to.
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tabby;1381721 wrote: Seriously, the issues raised about pet owners being afraid of introspection and how cruel we must be to own these wonderful creatures isn’t something I’m interested in debating because it came across as a challenge intended to show some kind of pseudo intellectual superiority and it’s been my experience that most debates begun in that fashion aren’t really intended as debates to begin with as much as an opportunistic verbal beating intended to somehow reduce other people to perceived feelings of inferiority. Call me weird but that’s not my idea of a good time, win or lose.

There is nothing about winning or losing here, other than, that is, how one interprets life. I go out of my way to ensure I steer clear of competitive situations, especially on forums. I've been there and done that. This is instead about exchanging views on what is an important subject. If I'm wrong about what I assert, I certainly prefer to be corrected by evidence contrary to what I represent.

Ahso!;1381651 wrote: What I believe the evidence would support is:1) All mammal species experience emotion and are equal in their emotional needs.

2) Like humans, pets are subject to syndromes such as Stockholm.

3) That the buying, selling, trading and so forth of "pets" is indeed equal to that of a slave trade and humans are the trade's purveyors.

4) That people who engage in the welfare of pets, whether that be the management of; behavioral therapy of; guidance for - only supports and increases the market for this slave trade.

5) If slavery is immoral then it's immoral in all forms.Which of what I've listed above would you care to debate first?


You really see my quoted post above as "a challenge intended to show some kind of pseudo intellectual superiority"? If you do, all I can say is you've got confidence issues of some sort.

And please interpret my use of "debate" to mean to examine or discuss by removing the competitive connotation from your interpretation.
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Ahso!;1381734 wrote: The rest of the people in the thread did that initially until Valerie apparently felt you needed support and came to your defense like the loyal friend she obviously aspires to.


Bit of reading comprehension FAIL there ahso. I will try and clear some

things up for ya.

Your post didn't go without notice; YZGI, because he is in fact one, ;)

even quoted it but you apparently missed the sarcasm contained

therein. (His post #8 in this thread)

My post #11 came before I heard back from the OP, remember me

saying I had pm'd her? Post #22 where you thought it was "odd".

Otherwise, I would have likely replied at an earlier time.

You also seemingly missed the place in my post #23 where I assured

you Snooze didn't direct me here. You have no way of verifying but

I DON'T LIE. Haven't in oh, say 20 years or so. When I posted I

gave no thought whether Snooze needed my "support" as you

call it. And you got a word wrong, I don't have to "aspire" to be

Snooze's loyal friend :yh_rotfl I already ARE one!! :yh_rotfl

Of many, many years duration.

Just to let you know, I personally don't think of myself as a "higher"

species. Different, yes. Higher, no.

Now I'm going to play armchair psychologist. I love this part! ;)

I think you are threatened by intelligent women, of which Snooze,

Tabby and I are premier examples. I'd bet folding money you

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valerie;1381755 wrote: Bit of reading comprehension FAIL there ahso. I will try and clear some

things up for ya.

Your post didn't go without notice; YZGI, because he is in fact one, ;)

even quoted it but you apparently missed the sarcasm contained

therein. (His post #8 in this thread)

My post #11 came before I heard back from the OP, remember me

saying I had pm'd her? Post #22 where you thought it was "odd".

Otherwise, I would have likely replied at an earlier time.

You also seemingly missed the place in my post #23 where I assured

you Snooze didn't direct me here. You have no way of verifying but

I DON'T LIE. Haven't in oh, say 20 years or so. When I posted I

gave no thought whether Snooze needed my "support" as you

call it. And you got a word wrong, I don't have to "aspire" to be

Snooze's loyal friend :yh_rotfl I already ARE one!! :yh_rotfl

Of many, many years duration.

Just to let you know, I personally don't think of myself as a "higher"

species. Different, yes. Higher, no.

Now I'm going to play armchair psychologist. I love this part! ;)

I think you are threatened by intelligent women, of which Snooze,

Tabby and I are premier examples. I'd bet folding money you

would disagree, and that's okay.


You gotta admit, smart wimin are scary.:sneaky:
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What I'm agreeing with, you insignificant speck of vomit (yes, that's a personal attack) is this: "They need to actually make up bullshit videos pretending the creature thinks as they wish they did." The video was *OBVIOUSLY* anthropomorphizing. Let me repeat that... OBVIOUSLY. That's what made it funny. And that's why you don't understand why we enjoyed it, because you do not have a sense of humor.
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valerie;1381755 wrote:

I think you are threatened by intelligent women, of which Snooze,

Tabby and I are premier examples. I'd bet folding money you

would disagree, and that's okay.I've made no judgment at all as to your IQ and honestly couldn't care in the least about it. I'm certain there are people in your life who consider you intelligent and I won't argue it with them. All I'm saying is you appear unaware of what I consider a fact that domestication of animals as well as the buying, selling, trading and so forth is in fact a form of slavery. If on the other hand you've actually thought about it in the past and find fault in what I've written, I'd throughly enjoy seeing how you've arrived at your conclusion and compare it to why I take the position I do.

You should know guys like me don't try to harass females, I am the same towards men as I am toward women, just ask Wisey, he may be keeping a record of my offenses to members. It's unfortunate that when a man questions your thoughts and motives you take exception to it though. i won't bother playing armchair anything, not my thing any longer.

Let me know if you decide to talk about this subject like the intelligent person you claim you are, I've no doubt you can if you choose to.
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SnoozeAgain;1381764 wrote: What I'm agreeing with, you insignificant speck of vomit (yes, that's a personal attack) is this: "They need to actually make up bullshit videos pretending the creature thinks as they wish they did." The video was *OBVIOUSLY* anthropomorphizing. Let me repeat that... OBVIOUSLY. That's what made it funny. And that's why you don't understand why we enjoyed it, because you do not have a sense of humor.I tried to give you some time to calm down and edit this post like you did the earlier one but times up. Sorry, you'll have to live with it now.

Seriously, snooze, I saw the the cuteness in the video and smiled but I chose to express another view. It's a shame you have difficulty respecting that. Differing views come in all shapes and sizes, if you will. Perhaps you need to slow down or something. I can see by your reactions that I've hit some sore spots, they'll eventually heal if you let them.
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Ahso!;1381766 wrote: I've made no judgment at all as to your IQ and honestly couldn't care in the least about it. I'm certain there are people in your life who consider you intelligent and I won't argue it with them. All I'm saying is you appear unaware of what I consider a fact that domestication of animals as well as the buying, selling, trading and so forth is in fact a form of slavery. If on the other hand you've actually thought about it in the past and find fault in what I've written, I'd throughly enjoy seeing how you've arrived at your conclusion and compare it to why I take the position I do.

You should know guys like me don't try to harass females, I am the same towards men as I am toward women, just ask Wisey, he may be keeping a record of my offenses to members. It's unfortunate that when a man questions your thoughts and motives you take exception to it though. i won't bother playing armchair anything, not my thing any longer.

Let me know if you decide to talk about this subject like the intelligent person you claim you are, I've no doubt you can if you choose to.


Classic, ahso, classic. Once again, RCF. I didn't say you made a judgement

about whether we were intelligent or not, just that you feel threatened

by it. I'm more sure about that now!

I don't know any other ways to explain to you that I'm not interested

in what you propose but that doesn't bother me, some people just

don't GET things.

You're all over the map. You want me to do something again, because

it would please you yet you refuse to do any of the other real "work"

towards discussion.

I suppose I should thank you for the good hearty laugh once again,

waaaaay into this thread and NOW you say you saw the cuteness

in the video?!?!?!? In an earlier post you FYI'd me about my posting

style, so now I return the oh gee... favor shall we say? Did you

ever hear the expression "You catch more flies with honey than you

do with vinegar"? What do you think of that phrase.

Let me try another tack... how about you start going through and

responding to some things and answering some questions... I

know, here's one, why do YOU "reside" with a "slave" hmmm?

Get off that one trick pony you're on and maybe you can get

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valerie;1381772 wrote: Classic, ahso, classic. Once again, RCF. I didn't say you made a judgement

about whether we were intelligent or not, just that you feel threatened

by it. I'm more sure about that now!

I don't know any other ways to explain to you that I'm not interested

in what you propose but that doesn't bother me, some people just

don't GET things.

You're all over the map. You want me to do something again, because

it would please you yet you refuse to do any of the other real "work"

towards discussion.

I suppose I should thank you for the good hearty laugh once again,

waaaaay into this thread and NOW you say you saw the cuteness

in the video?!?!?!? In an earlier post you FYI'd me about my posting

style, so now I return the oh gee... favor shall we say? Did you

ever hear the expression "You catch more flies with honey than you

do with vinegar"? What do you think of that phrase.

Let me try another tack... how about you start going through and

responding to some things and answering some questions... I

know, here's one, why do YOU "reside" with a "slave" hmmm?

Get off that one trick pony you're on and maybe you can get

somewhere on foot!Because like you I wasn't aware either. When it was first proposed to me I'd say about two years ago or so, I rejected the idea out of hand. When I saw it proposed a second time by a different individual I became defensive but I began to consider it. The journey began.

My wife (who btw is at least as intelligent as anyone I've ever conversed with, not to mention my four daughters and one daughter-in-law [now women] who've bested me in many a conversation) and I adopted our current dog. We'd both had cats and dogs throughout our entire lives as well as all sorts of critters for the kids as they grew. We both did and still do enjoy having a pet, but that doesn't change the fact that I now know what I know (you can't unring a bell as they say) and probably would argue against having any more pets, not that I'd win that argument mind you.

Not being a human rights scholar I started to understand what slavery actually was and see how it could apply to pet ownership, never mind the fact that the word 'ownership' might be a clue. Then I proposed the idea through conversation with people close to me like my immediate family members and friends. After long laborious hours, days and weeks of sweating over the subject I had to admit it is indeed a form of slavery to which I've been complicit in my entire life. Does that mean I want to round up all the pets in people's home and euthanize them? Of course not. But it does mean humans should have this conversation so I offer it up on occasion as I did in this thread. Again, if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'd relish that.
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If being a slave means lounging around in a well appointed shelter, being fed expensive foods, having all the toys and attention I want when I want and not being required to do anything except sleep, then I'd like to sign up.
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Ahso!;1381783 wrote: Because like you I wasn't aware either. When it was first proposed to me I'd say about two years ago or so, I rejected the idea out of hand. When I saw it proposed a second time by a different individual I became defensive but I began to consider it. The journey began.

My wife (who btw is at least as intelligent as anyone I've ever conversed with, not to mention my four daughters and one daughter-in-law [now women] who've bested me in many a conversation) and I adopted our current dog. We'd both had cats and dogs throughout our entire lives as well as all sorts of critters for the kids as they grew. We both did and still do enjoy having a pet, but that doesn't change the fact that I now know what I know (you can't unring a bell as they say) and probably would argue against having any more pets, not that I'd win that argument mind you.

Not being a human rights scholar I started to understand what slavery actually was and see how it could apply to pet ownership, never mind the fact that the word 'ownership' might be a clue. Then I proposed the idea through conversation with people close to me like my immediate family members and friends. After long laborious hours, days and weeks of sweating over the subject I had to admit it is indeed a form of slavery to which I've been complicit in my entire life. Does that mean I want to round up all the pets in people's home and euthanize them? Of course not. But it does mean humans should have this conversation so I offer it up on occasion as I did in this thread. Again, if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'd relish that.


What *I* know is that there is at least one person out there who believes

pet ownership is slavery. For the umpteenth time, no matter how much you

poke at it, I'm not going to try and show you where you're wrong. Exercise

in futility. You'd "relish" it if I tried... remember a few posts back where I

said you'd get your jollies? You're firmly entrenched. I'm confident my

animals aren't slaves, you aren't about to change my mind, so it's a moot

point at this stage.

You must have guilt at being a slave owner, and you're trying to get

someone to assuage that guilt; honey, it ain't gonna be me. I go back

to, if you feel so strongly about this, why DON'T you start your own threads

and proselytize to your heart's content? Maybe you can in fact get

someone to 'spar' with.

If you "own" a pet, and believe me, you DO especially if something

happens... and you don't want to euthanize and remove yet you

don't want to deny their hormonal tendencies, then it's a case of

semantics, you just want everyone to say "pets are slaves, and

I own one" so what where does that get anybody?
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SnoozeAgain;1381844 wrote: If being a slave means lounging around in a well appointed shelter, being fed expensive foods, having all the toys and attention I want when I want and not being required to do anything except sleep, then I'd like to sign up.


Word.

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SnoozeAgain;1381844 wrote: If being a slave means lounging around in a well appointed shelter, being fed expensive foods, having all the toys and attention I want when I want and not being required to do anything except sleep, then I'd like to sign up.That's a narrow definition of the words slave and slavery.

slave

1. A person who is held in bondage to another; one who is

wholly subject to the will of another; one who is held as

a chattel; one who has no freedom of action, but whose

person and services are wholly under the control of

another.

[1913 Webster]Slavery Slav"er*y, n.; pl. Slaveries. [See 2d Slave.]

1. The condition of a slave; the state of entire subjection

of one person to the will of another.

[1913 Webster]I think you're insisting physical labor is a requirement of slavery, but it isn't. Animals satisfy mostly emotional needs of comfort in humans. Some own dogs for protection even if it's only for barking, some own smaller animals to sit on their lap or sleep next to them. There's lots of emotional needs as well as financial reward in many cases of owning animals. You disagree with that? Many people become so identified with animal ownership they might believe it possible they'd fall apart without them. I mean just look at the reluctance to even talk about the subject.
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valerie;1381860 wrote: What *I* know is that there is at least one person out there who believes

pet ownership is slavery. For the umpteenth time, no matter how much you

poke at it, I'm not going to try and show you where you're wrong. Exercise

in futility. You'd "relish" it if I tried... remember a few posts back where I

said you'd get your jollies? You're firmly entrenched. I'm confident my

animals aren't slaves, you aren't about to change my mind, so it's a moot

point at this stage.

You must have guilt at being a slave owner, and you're trying to get

someone to assuage that guilt; honey, it ain't gonna be me. I go back

to, if you feel so strongly about this, why DON'T you start your own threads

and proselytize to your heart's content? Maybe you can in fact get

someone to 'spar' with.

If you "own" a pet, and believe me, you DO especially if something

happens... and you don't want to euthanize and remove yet you

don't want to deny their hormonal tendencies, then it's a case of

semantics, you just want everyone to say "pets are slaves, and

I own one" so what where does that get anybody?You should think about what you write, Valerie. You've tried to evade the subject even to the point of insulting my wife saying she must not be intelligent otherwise I would not have married her because I would have felt threatened by her if she was and now what you've written above. You're a pretty loose canon.
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Ahso!;1381870 wrote: You should think about what you write, Valerie. You've tried to evade the subject even to the point of insulting my wife saying she must not be intelligent otherwise I would not have married her because I would have felt threatened by her if she was and now what you've written above. You're a pretty loose canon.


Oh boy, a lot MORE of these guys: :yh_rotfl

:yh_giggle (I'll be with you momentarily)

Where on EARTH did I insult your wife?!?!? That's priceless! Anybody,

jump right in here , I beg of you!! Oh dear, hafta catch my breath...

I think pretty carefully about what I post. Talk about evading the

subject, you've done a master's job at it throughout the thread,

and especially with the above, what you quoted doesn't have

bupkis to do with what I posted!!

Seriously!

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Fixed it for you.

Ahso!;1381869 wrote:

I think you're insisting physical labor is a requirement of marriage, but it isn't. Spouses satisfy mostly emotional needs of comfort in humans. Some own spouses for protection even if it's only for barking, some own smaller spouses to sit on their lap or sleep next to them. There's lots of emotional needs as well as financial reward in many cases of being married. You disagree with that? Many people become so identified with marriage they might believe it possible they'd fall apart without them. I mean just look at the reluctance to even talk about the subject.
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valerie;1381894 wrote: Oh boy, a lot MORE of these guys: :yh_rotfl

:yh_giggle (I'll be with you momentarily)

Where on EARTH did I insult your wife?!?!? That's priceless! Anybody,

jump right in here , I beg of you!! Oh dear, hafta catch my breath...

I think pretty carefully about what I post. Talk about evading the

subject, you've done a master's job at it throughout the thread,

and especially with the above, what you quoted doesn't have

bupkis to do with what I posted!!

Seriously!

:yh_youkidI think I'll let all this sit right here and permit readers to make of it what they will.

I must admit I'd never seen this side you before, Valerie, but I guess that's due to the fact that I'm no longer your knight in shinning armor dueling it out with a certain member, eh. You're a treat, that's for sure.

And you do all this why? Just because your husband couldn't hold his own on a couple of occasions 5 years ago? Perhaps it's him who's intimidated by intelligent females.
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