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A smallholder has been banned from keeping animals for five years after pleading guilty to "unnatural breeding".

Justine Peroni, 52, admitted five charges relating to animal cruelty at Bodmin Magistrates Court.

Peroni, of Downderry, Torpoint, admitted to failing to prevent unnatural breeding by allowing a bull breed with his mother.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-49769663




What is the world coming to when a bull can't spend a little time with his mum. I take it we're talking about the bull's mum, not the farmer's.

I think officialdom just invented an entire new class of laws to criminalize yet more people. The must be a half million pet owners in England waiting for a knock on the door tonight.

Whoever made the decision to prosecute on that charge should be fired for incompetence and possibly told to go and have a private chat with his priest about what constitutes unnatural breeding. For reference, the only mention of "unnatural" in English law was for anal penetration by a person - not a bull, a person - of any life-form so equipped, and that was revoked decades ago. So what is the basis for this charge of "unnatural breeding"?
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We're talking about the bovine mother? (please tell me we're talking about the bovine mother...please...although what consenting people do in the privacy of their own home is their business.)

but on a serious note, inbreeding especially of farm animals, can have dire consequences for future stock . I'm assuming the farmer sells his stock? I'm thinking a vet or someone who had DNA/health tests done on their bought stock would be a bit miffed and dobbed him in.
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It's a smallholder. Smallholders never sell anything. In the old days when I was at school they were called, depending on where they lived in the world, "subsistence farmers" or "peasants" and they were the ones who died by the million in famines. They generally had three years of basic education and started work for the local landlord at eight years old, after which life got progressively harder while they had fifteen squalling children and buried twelve of them before they could talk. You remember Jack and the Beanstalk? Jack's mother was one up from a smallholder, she sent a cow to market.

If you take a plot of land 150 meters on each edge and build a hovel and a lean-to barn on it, that's a smallholding. It's one up from having three strips in the village field, five hens in the yard and a share in a pig. It's inconceivable that a smallholder would aspire to a horse, for example.

But what this daft court case has just done is threatened every pet owner with jail if the house cat suddenly litters, little Tom in the corner is the culprit and their owner hadn't made them sleep in separate rooms.
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Wow! ...you all good with heart medication presently?



small holders not selling? that's a bit weird....



btw I need to talk to your bro...like seriously
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magentaflame;1525386 wrote: Wow! ...you all good with heart medication presently?



small holders not selling? that's a bit weird....



btw I need to talk to your bro...like seriously



I think he might be abroad. I'll ring and tell him.

I try very hard to stay in the middle ground and not exaggerate or mislead, I thought I was pretty accurate in that last post.
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spot;1525393 wrote: I think he might be abroad. I'll ring and tell him.

I try very hard to stay in the middle ground and not exaggerate or mislead, I thought I was pretty accurate in that last post.



Think you're talking about smallholding after the war. There were a few good small holders when I worked in that line that did indeed go to market and sell their sheep/pigs/ducks etc. You'd find the most successful ones are the ones that specialised in rarer species. Farmers weren't interested as they took too much time and looking after but smallholders fall in love with their animals, lavish them with love and nurturing and get results.
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spot;1525377 wrote: What is the world coming to when a bull can't spend a little time with his mum. I take it we're talking about the bull's mum, not the farmer's.

I think officialdom just invented an entire new class of laws to criminalize yet more people. The must be a half million pet owners in England waiting for a knock on the door tonight.

Whoever made the decision to prosecute on that charge should be fired for incompetence and possibly told to go and have a private chat with his priest about what constitutes unnatural breeding. For reference, the only mention of "unnatural" in English law was for anal penetration by a person - not a bull, a person - of any life-form so equipped, and that was revoked decades ago. So what is the basis for this charge of "unnatural breeding"?



Looking at the article I suspect the unnatural dreeding was a small pasrt of it.

More to the point perhaps is this, if applead elsewhere muct have kennel club dog dreeders wetting themselves in panic. M=No more breeding brother to sister to get the right "look"

https://breedingbusiness.com/breeding-brother-and-sister-dogs/

"A brother and sister dog will share far more genetic material than two unrelated or distantly-related canines because they share the same parents. Therefore, breeding a brother and sister dog together can fix or homogenise certain superior traits in dogs by increasing the likelihood that they will be passed onto the next generation. Some believe that this is the most efficient way to strengthen a breed of dog because dogs within this bloodline will share more and more of the same superior genetic material."

Next time you see a pug that can't breathe properly just remember it has superior genetic material.
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Betty Boop;1525403 wrote: Think you're talking about smallholding after the war.



Well yes, I did preface my remarks with "In the old days when I was at school".
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I understand trying to breed out abnormalities like hip displasia or hypoallegenic dogs like the labradoodle but anything that harms future generations is just totally awful . I get so angry when I hear of another littler of ridgeback german shepards being bred. We know the defects they have . What's wrong with a normal everyday german shepard?

But I agree the pug/designer dog crap going on is out of control. And we are now beginning to see them showing up in dog refuges. and those idiots who keep breeding bull arabs with wolf hounds and so on because some believe it gives them a better pig dog....guess what the pounds are full of now?
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spot;1525410 wrote: Well yes, I did preface my remarks with "In the old days when I was at school".



So you did. I guess your sentences are just so wordy I skipped over that bit trying to find the point.
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Betty Boop;1525530 wrote: So you did. I guess your sentences are just so wordy I skipped over that bit trying to find the point.



I'd never use three or four words when a couple of thousand would easily do.
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spot;1525531 wrote: I'd never use three or four words when a couple of thousand would easily do.



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