What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Currently in the US and I'm sure across many nations have their own soap opera shows "All My Children" has a top rated soap here and they have a super couple that are lesbians. Bianca & Reese played by two heterosexuals do a fantastic job playing these parts. Oh, and they are both parents to a new baby girl.
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Jester;1126994 wrote: Don't go in my head then. You wouldnt like how easy it is for my to pick up a gun and... well you get the picture. Wow Dude.. you got guns now that shoot across the Atlantic... that is impressive. :yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag
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oscar;1127131 wrote: Wow Dude.. you got guns now that shoot across the Atlantic... that is impressive. :yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag:yh_flag
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Is he talking about his nukes again?
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Is he talking about his nukes again?
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qsducks;1127132 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Is he talking about his nukes again?
He wishes :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
We got weapons of mass destruction here in Britain you know........ The Scots :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
He wishes :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
We got weapons of mass destruction here in Britain you know........ The Scots :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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oscar;1127133 wrote: He wishes :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
We got weapons of mass destruction here in Britain you know........ The Scots :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl. Oh yes, do you think they'll take kindly to that?
We got weapons of mass destruction here in Britain you know........ The Scots :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl. Oh yes, do you think they'll take kindly to that?
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qsducks;1127134 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl. Oh yes, do you think they'll take kindly to that?
I'm British.... I couldn't care less if they don't :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I'm British.... I couldn't care less if they don't :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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I think it would be an easier world for the child, socially, at the moment. And we all want the world to be good to OUR child. We don't want our child hurt or rejected because of their uniqueness.
So it would be easier...
until we found something else to judge distasteful or unacceptable ... and there will always be something.. we will always find a fault, real or imagined. It's human nature.
Doesn't have to be right or wrong, it's just the nature of the beast.
Personally, I'd sign up for the shot that gives thicker hair to my kids..:-6
So it would be easier...
until we found something else to judge distasteful or unacceptable ... and there will always be something.. we will always find a fault, real or imagined. It's human nature.
Doesn't have to be right or wrong, it's just the nature of the beast.
Personally, I'd sign up for the shot that gives thicker hair to my kids..:-6
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oscar;1127139 wrote: I'm British.... I couldn't care less if they don't :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Maybe we should hire some gay scots.
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Maybe we should hire some gay scots.
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I am all for the anti stupid shot really
or how about the
anti child abuser shot
anti child pornographer shot
anti animal abuser shot
anti terrorist shot
anti racist shot
anti murder shot
anti rape shot
anti aids shot
yeah how about if your going to create a shot to prevent things/traits etc you create one that bloody impacts our world and reduces pain and suffering hmmmm
A gay person is not different from a black person, a jewish person, etc. :-5
or how about the
anti child abuser shot
anti child pornographer shot
anti animal abuser shot
anti terrorist shot
anti racist shot
anti murder shot
anti rape shot
anti aids shot
yeah how about if your going to create a shot to prevent things/traits etc you create one that bloody impacts our world and reduces pain and suffering hmmmm
A gay person is not different from a black person, a jewish person, etc. :-5
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Jester;1126537 wrote: My opinion is that the choice of living the homosexual lifestyle is just that a choice. One decided to live cintrary to how they were designed by conscious choice, so no matter what is injected genetically or controlled homronally matters not.
But I gather from the article and from every ones comments that the gentleman in the OP is right, If there was such a way to make sure someone did not choose to be 'Gay' it will never happen, because everyones so busy protecting the so called rights of the individual practicing homosexual that they miss the point.
People who practice sodomy are more likely to die of HIV and spread HIV to practicing heterosexuals. People who practice the gay lifestyle are more likely to commit suicide. And I wont mention the other lifestyle stigmas of being 'gay' having an ill affect on themselves and the children they adopt or have by a sperm donar leaving them fatherless or motherless whichever the case may be. If a parent could prevent all that why wouldn't they?
I suspect that was the point of the article and I think ya'll pretty much proved him correct.
and as heterosexuals we have the choice to choose safe sex or not... if you choose not then you perhaps run that slight risk of having sex with someone who practiced some kind of homosexual action. (remember it's about choice)
As for motherless or fatherless children... sorry Bro I love ya dearly but there are millions of single parent kids out there many kids growing up without a father and it ain't because of any gay influence.
I would rather see a child have a loving set of adults raise them than a child have a pair of useless meth heads raise them. Homosexual people are NOT incapaple of love, ethics, quality of living etc.
Again you preach choice yet you are quick to condemn.
But I gather from the article and from every ones comments that the gentleman in the OP is right, If there was such a way to make sure someone did not choose to be 'Gay' it will never happen, because everyones so busy protecting the so called rights of the individual practicing homosexual that they miss the point.
People who practice sodomy are more likely to die of HIV and spread HIV to practicing heterosexuals. People who practice the gay lifestyle are more likely to commit suicide. And I wont mention the other lifestyle stigmas of being 'gay' having an ill affect on themselves and the children they adopt or have by a sperm donar leaving them fatherless or motherless whichever the case may be. If a parent could prevent all that why wouldn't they?
I suspect that was the point of the article and I think ya'll pretty much proved him correct.
and as heterosexuals we have the choice to choose safe sex or not... if you choose not then you perhaps run that slight risk of having sex with someone who practiced some kind of homosexual action. (remember it's about choice)
As for motherless or fatherless children... sorry Bro I love ya dearly but there are millions of single parent kids out there many kids growing up without a father and it ain't because of any gay influence.
I would rather see a child have a loving set of adults raise them than a child have a pair of useless meth heads raise them. Homosexual people are NOT incapaple of love, ethics, quality of living etc.
Again you preach choice yet you are quick to condemn.
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minks;1127167 wrote: I am all for the anti stupid shot really
or how about the
anti child abuser shot
anti child pornographer shot
anti animal abuser shot
anti terrorist shot
anti racist shot
anti murder shot
anti rape shot
anti aids shot
yeah how about if your going to create a shot to prevent things/traits etc you create one that bloody impacts our world and reduces pain and suffering hmmmm
A gay person is not different from a black person, a jewish person, etc. :-5
Did you read in teh papers about Prop 8 in California? Most African American's voted against it. Doesn't make any sense to me.
or how about the
anti child abuser shot
anti child pornographer shot
anti animal abuser shot
anti terrorist shot
anti racist shot
anti murder shot
anti rape shot
anti aids shot
yeah how about if your going to create a shot to prevent things/traits etc you create one that bloody impacts our world and reduces pain and suffering hmmmm
A gay person is not different from a black person, a jewish person, etc. :-5
Did you read in teh papers about Prop 8 in California? Most African American's voted against it. Doesn't make any sense to me.
What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Jester;1127576 wrote: Having two mommies, or being raised my meth heads is not the only choices Sis.
Living with the consequences of the choices our parents make isnt always easy, but kids still have to live with them, they don't get the choice, they just get the consequences.
Well if the mommies have good morals, and ethics and are stand up law abiding citizens then that kid is in for a better life than one raised by many other adults out there..
Living with the consequences of the choices our parents make isnt always easy, but kids still have to live with them, they don't get the choice, they just get the consequences.
Well if the mommies have good morals, and ethics and are stand up law abiding citizens then that kid is in for a better life than one raised by many other adults out there..
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Jester;1127650 wrote: I'll say it again, the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship. Aren't we after and striving for whats best for our kids, if its at all possible?If it were the case that marriage promoted a "committed loving relationship" it would, I agree, be a good environment for a child to grow up in.
Have you looked at figures for marriage break-up recently? "The most recent census figures show that, for the first time, the percentage of Americans living in nuclear families has declined to below 25 percent of the population. (As this figure represents married couples living with children, it also includes blended families, so the percentage of married couples living with their biological children is presumably lower.)". What proportion of children reach the stage of leaving a home in which both their parents are still living together in "a committed loving relationship", do you suppose? One in five? One in eight? Somewhere between those two.
What you face is the fact that most children born to a married couple will grow up watching their parents fall out, fight and divorce. That's an abysmal family environment for any child to be brought up in. Far better, in my opinion, is for a child to grow up with its mother from start to finish and not to have this role-model divorce thust on it.
Marriage is a calamity for the majority of children. The least the country can do is refuse to recognize it or give it any account rather than attempt to prop it up or give cash incentives to marry which is the current practice.
Have you looked at figures for marriage break-up recently? "The most recent census figures show that, for the first time, the percentage of Americans living in nuclear families has declined to below 25 percent of the population. (As this figure represents married couples living with children, it also includes blended families, so the percentage of married couples living with their biological children is presumably lower.)". What proportion of children reach the stage of leaving a home in which both their parents are still living together in "a committed loving relationship", do you suppose? One in five? One in eight? Somewhere between those two.
What you face is the fact that most children born to a married couple will grow up watching their parents fall out, fight and divorce. That's an abysmal family environment for any child to be brought up in. Far better, in my opinion, is for a child to grow up with its mother from start to finish and not to have this role-model divorce thust on it.
Marriage is a calamity for the majority of children. The least the country can do is refuse to recognize it or give it any account rather than attempt to prop it up or give cash incentives to marry which is the current practice.
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Jester;1127650 wrote:
I'll say it again, the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship. Aren't we after and striving for whats best for our kids, if its at all possible?
Absolutely!!!!!!
I'll say it again, the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship. Aren't we after and striving for whats best for our kids, if its at all possible?
Absolutely!!!!!!
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AussiePam;1127692 wrote: Absolutely!!!!!!
And the fact that most marriages are hell? Where does that come into your pie-in-the-sky optimism? It may perhaps be the case that "the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship" but they're the rare exception, not the norm. Nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left.
And the fact that most marriages are hell? Where does that come into your pie-in-the-sky optimism? It may perhaps be the case that "the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship" but they're the rare exception, not the norm. Nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left.
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AussiePam;1127696 wrote: Pie in the sky optimism??????
Most children born to a married couple will grow up watching their parents fall out, fight and divorce. That's an abysmal family environment for any child to be brought up in.
Most children born to a married couple will grow up watching their parents fall out, fight and divorce. That's an abysmal family environment for any child to be brought up in.
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AussiePam;1127704 wrote: I'm really and truly sorry that this has been your experience, Spot. There's nothing more I can say.
My experience is irrelevant, I'm going entirely on the existing figures. The article I pointed to goes into them in more detail than I did. You're ignoring reality if you think most children leave home with their parents married and living together. Most marriages by that point will have broken and the effect on the children is a disaster. Other ways of growing up might also be a disaster but surviving the marriage breakup of their parents from close quarters is, I'd suggest, top of the list of things to avoid.
I have a preferred option. Creche nurseries leading to kibbutz-style boarding homes. I'm quite sure they can be organized and run in the child's interests without all the aggravation the nuclear family entails.
My experience is irrelevant, I'm going entirely on the existing figures. The article I pointed to goes into them in more detail than I did. You're ignoring reality if you think most children leave home with their parents married and living together. Most marriages by that point will have broken and the effect on the children is a disaster. Other ways of growing up might also be a disaster but surviving the marriage breakup of their parents from close quarters is, I'd suggest, top of the list of things to avoid.
I have a preferred option. Creche nurseries leading to kibbutz-style boarding homes. I'm quite sure they can be organized and run in the child's interests without all the aggravation the nuclear family entails.
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AussiePam;1127712 wrote: I think it's interesting and useful even, that Forum Garden has a multiplicity of views. Everything from rigorous intellectual argument through insane randomness to creative whimsy.
And is obeying the Word of God insane randomness, or is it creative whimsy? I'd go for the former myself.
And is obeying the Word of God insane randomness, or is it creative whimsy? I'd go for the former myself.
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AussiePam;1127696 wrote: I'm sorry your marriage has evidently failed - but do not share your opinion that failure is the norm.
That, if I may say so, is a rather personal unjustified observation.
As far as "failure is the norm" you can dig the figure out of http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p70-97.pdf
Table 7 - Currently married women who reach stated anniversaries.
Most are still married at 15th, most are not at 25th. I suggest that children leaving home are more likely to fall into the second camp, and that's how we've defined failure - marriages collapsing with children still in residence.
That, if I may say so, is a rather personal unjustified observation.
As far as "failure is the norm" you can dig the figure out of http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p70-97.pdf
Table 7 - Currently married women who reach stated anniversaries.
Most are still married at 15th, most are not at 25th. I suggest that children leaving home are more likely to fall into the second camp, and that's how we've defined failure - marriages collapsing with children still in residence.
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Ideally kids should be raised by a mix sex couple, giving the children decent role models. A problem gays have is providing this. I know a lesbian who uses her gay male friends for this. It's not ideal. The boy runs rings round her.
Gay couple near here celebrated their 25th anniversary last year. 25 years in a loving stable relationship is more than most hets manage. Love is love, folks. That's the important thing.
Gay couple near here celebrated their 25th anniversary last year. 25 years in a loving stable relationship is more than most hets manage. Love is love, folks. That's the important thing.
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spot;1127708 wrote:
I have a preferred option. Creche nurseries leading to kibbutz-style boarding homes. I'm quite sure they can be organized and run in the child's interests without all the aggravation the nuclear family entails.
I think Hitler tried that and history shows how well that went.
I have a preferred option. Creche nurseries leading to kibbutz-style boarding homes. I'm quite sure they can be organized and run in the child's interests without all the aggravation the nuclear family entails.
I think Hitler tried that and history shows how well that went.
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Kindle;1127811 wrote: I think Hitler tried that and history shows how well that went.
You're kidding me. Where and when was that? The kibbutz is an entirely Israeli invention as far as I know.
Seriously the Third Reich can't have had anything like it, they were only in power for twelve years. I can't think of anything they did which would qualify as creche nurseries either.
You're kidding me. Where and when was that? The kibbutz is an entirely Israeli invention as far as I know.
Seriously the Third Reich can't have had anything like it, they were only in power for twelve years. I can't think of anything they did which would qualify as creche nurseries either.
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spot;1127863 wrote: You're kidding me. Where and when was that? The kibbutz is an entirely Israeli invention as far as I know.
Seriously the Third Reich can't have had anything like it, they were only in power for twelve years. I can't think of anything they did which would qualify as creche nurseries either.
Lebensborn
Seriously the Third Reich can't have had anything like it, they were only in power for twelve years. I can't think of anything they did which would qualify as creche nurseries either.
Lebensborn
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I believe that no one has the right to tell anyone who they should love, what makes someone think that having a shot will make your child love a person of a certain gender?
I hope that my children have happy healthy lives and part of that is me allowing them to make choices of their own, the only thing that would worry me is the way others would react to their choices, but thats part of being a parent you want to try and protect them.
I hope that they find partners that love them in the way that deserves and if that person is the same sex so what!!!!
So to answer the question no I wouldn't have the jab
I hope that my children have happy healthy lives and part of that is me allowing them to make choices of their own, the only thing that would worry me is the way others would react to their choices, but thats part of being a parent you want to try and protect them.
I hope that they find partners that love them in the way that deserves and if that person is the same sex so what!!!!
So to answer the question no I wouldn't have the jab
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Kindle;1127972 wrote: LebensbornThat was an adoption program as far as I'm aware and the complete reversal of what I wrote. It had creches as holding-points since it involved moving the children considerable distances but its intention was to get each child out into a family environment as soon as foster parents had been paired with them. The entire point of "Creche nurseries leading to kibbutz-style boarding homes" is to keep children away from an environment with has only at most two "parents" and put them where they can safely grow to maturity as a peer-governed community with impartial and transparent adult supervision.
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JAB;1128366 wrote: If you have that attitude going in, then the marriage is over before it's even started.
That's all the more reason to be rational about it and scrap the institution then.
That's all the more reason to be rational about it and scrap the institution then.
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spot;1127693 wrote: Nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left.
This is your opinion. It is not a hard fact.
I, my husband and many others, entered into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate us and no, not because a religion said we could not get a divorce. I am not a follower of the Catholic faith.
This is your opinion. It is not a hard fact.
I, my husband and many others, entered into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate us and no, not because a religion said we could not get a divorce. I am not a follower of the Catholic faith.
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Kindle;1128379 wrote: This is your opinion. It is not a hard fact.
I, my husband and many others, entered into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate us and no, not because a religion said we could not get a divorce. I am not a follower of the Catholic faith.
Many people enter into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate them and find they were mistaken. That's demonstrably true. Consequently nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left. They may hope it but the evidence of other marriages shows they have unreasonable expectations if they think it's guaranteed. It all comes down to "realistically". In every instance it's a gamble regardless of good intentions.
I, my husband and many others, entered into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate us and no, not because a religion said we could not get a divorce. I am not a follower of the Catholic faith.
Many people enter into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate them and find they were mistaken. That's demonstrably true. Consequently nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left. They may hope it but the evidence of other marriages shows they have unreasonable expectations if they think it's guaranteed. It all comes down to "realistically". In every instance it's a gamble regardless of good intentions.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1128394 wrote: Many people enter into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate them and find they were mistaken. That's demonstrably true. Consequently nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last until their children are grown and left. They may hope it but the evidence of other marriages shows they have unreasonable expectations if they think it's guaranteed. It all comes down to "realistically". In every instance it's a gamble regardless of good intentions.
I object to you concluding that "nobody can expect..........."
Each person and, therefore, each marriage is different. You cannot lump everyones marriage together as they are only similar in their vows, not what they take these vows to mean.
I object to you concluding that "nobody can expect..........."
Each person and, therefore, each marriage is different. You cannot lump everyones marriage together as they are only similar in their vows, not what they take these vows to mean.
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What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Kindle;1128404 wrote: I object to you concluding that "nobody can expect..........."
Each person and, therefore, each marriage is different. You cannot lump everyones marriage together as they are only similar in their vows, not what they take these vows to mean.
Not at all. I wrote that "many people enter into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate them". Some turn out to get what they set out to achieve, some don't. Unless you can describe a set of marriages in which there are no failures then the expectation of success lacks the guarantee you're claiming. What subset of marriages do you think is reliable, other than ones which turn out to have worked? What test can you apply to a proposed marriage to know whether it's going to be successful? If you have no test then nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last.
Each person and, therefore, each marriage is different. You cannot lump everyones marriage together as they are only similar in their vows, not what they take these vows to mean.
Not at all. I wrote that "many people enter into marriage with the full expectation that only death would separate them". Some turn out to get what they set out to achieve, some don't. Unless you can describe a set of marriages in which there are no failures then the expectation of success lacks the guarantee you're claiming. What subset of marriages do you think is reliable, other than ones which turn out to have worked? What test can you apply to a proposed marriage to know whether it's going to be successful? If you have no test then nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last.
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What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
AussiePam;1128393 wrote: Much research has been done on the failure of the Israeli kibbutzim - and I can't imagine that our resident research expert is unaware of the findings.
By all means expand on that, as far as I'm aware your use of the word "failure" is unwarranted.
By all means expand on that, as far as I'm aware your use of the word "failure" is unwarranted.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Jester;1128416 wrote: I met my wife at 15 years old, saw her and said shes the one- I'm 43 now. I spent my yougn teens pursuing her, my early 20's wooing her and my 20's to 40's being married to her.
I'm not a gambler.
Some of us have strive for an outcome and give of ourselves sufficently to manage to show demonstratable love to their spouse long enough to make it till death do us part.
Let me go ask Trix for a divorce and see if she dont throw a shoe at me...:rolleyes:
What test can you apply to a proposed marriage to know whether it's going to be successful? If you have no test then nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last.
I'm not a gambler.
Some of us have strive for an outcome and give of ourselves sufficently to manage to show demonstratable love to their spouse long enough to make it till death do us part.
Let me go ask Trix for a divorce and see if she dont throw a shoe at me...:rolleyes:
What test can you apply to a proposed marriage to know whether it's going to be successful? If you have no test then nobody going into a marriage can realistically expect it to last.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Jester;1127650 wrote: That could be true, but it's more likely the child would be better off with a mommy and daddy.
Why settle at all when it comes to raising children, granted its different when things happen after a marriage, but the intent was there.
I'll say it again, the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship. Aren't we after and striving for whats best for our kids, if its at all possible?
What of children in orphanages? Wouldn't it be much nicer to have them with a loving pair that may be a gay pair as opposed to being in an orphanage forever. Certainly because that is what is best for children.
There is no "settling" when it comes to children, we all try to do our best, however you know there are people who don't give a flying fig about their children, what of those with Fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, really I would think a loving gay couple would far better meet a childs needs than a mother or father who doesn't give a rip, is a substance abuser and who knows what else.
Why settle at all when it comes to raising children, granted its different when things happen after a marriage, but the intent was there.
I'll say it again, the best environment for a child is a mother and father in a committed loving relationship. Aren't we after and striving for whats best for our kids, if its at all possible?
What of children in orphanages? Wouldn't it be much nicer to have them with a loving pair that may be a gay pair as opposed to being in an orphanage forever. Certainly because that is what is best for children.
There is no "settling" when it comes to children, we all try to do our best, however you know there are people who don't give a flying fig about their children, what of those with Fetal alcohol syndrome, or crack babies, really I would think a loving gay couple would far better meet a childs needs than a mother or father who doesn't give a rip, is a substance abuser and who knows what else.
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What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Jester;1128424 wrote: If husbands loved thier wives as christ loved the church then there would be no divorce.
Thats a biblical mandate, and a good test.It's not a test at all. How can you tell? You'd back-date the statement and say that if there's a divorce then the husband didn't love the wife when they married as Christ loved the church? It's only a test if it can be applied before the marriage, not after the divorce. After the divorce it's a simply a conclusion that they can't have or they'd not have ended up the way they did.
If there's no possible test before the marriage then there's no reasonable expectation.
You can't possibly mean that no man ever married while sincerely believing he loved his intended as Christ loved the church and then ended up divorcing her. I'm sure most believers do exactly that. Either they're self-deluded or it's an inadequate condition for a reliable marriage. Take Richard Roberts or John Hagee or John Osteen, you can be as sure in their cases as in any that they fervently believed when they married that they loved their wives as Christ loved the church and they all ended up divorced. The test of "do you love this woman as Christ loved the church" isn't a reliable predictor of success. Look at Tammy Faye Messner's parents, for goodness sake, they were both ministers and they were divorced just a year after she was born, they only managed to stick together for two years. Are you saying they married despite his knowing he didn't love his wife as Christ loved the church? How can you make a claim like that?
Thats a biblical mandate, and a good test.It's not a test at all. How can you tell? You'd back-date the statement and say that if there's a divorce then the husband didn't love the wife when they married as Christ loved the church? It's only a test if it can be applied before the marriage, not after the divorce. After the divorce it's a simply a conclusion that they can't have or they'd not have ended up the way they did.
If there's no possible test before the marriage then there's no reasonable expectation.
You can't possibly mean that no man ever married while sincerely believing he loved his intended as Christ loved the church and then ended up divorcing her. I'm sure most believers do exactly that. Either they're self-deluded or it's an inadequate condition for a reliable marriage. Take Richard Roberts or John Hagee or John Osteen, you can be as sure in their cases as in any that they fervently believed when they married that they loved their wives as Christ loved the church and they all ended up divorced. The test of "do you love this woman as Christ loved the church" isn't a reliable predictor of success. Look at Tammy Faye Messner's parents, for goodness sake, they were both ministers and they were divorced just a year after she was born, they only managed to stick together for two years. Are you saying they married despite his knowing he didn't love his wife as Christ loved the church? How can you make a claim like that?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Jester;1128446 wrote: Spot, the difference between me and you is that I live my life as an adventure, and not a constanly calculated actuary table of risk versus outcome.
Have you ever looked closely at your wife, and seen the tear well up and feel the choke of pride in her heart when you said or did somthing to hurt her?
There is no test for that, the test is experience, and learning the rules of loving that person until death do you part, the proof of it to me is to look out over my family and see loving relationships.
It's also learning principles to live by in all things, like not quitting. Running the race according to the rules, being compassionate, having faith that Gods in control of all things. I don't mark my marriage by the failures of other marriages, I mark my marriage after the beautiful success I see around me, then when I was a kid and I asked my dad what the key to a successful marriage and he looked at me and says go look in your mothers eyes, you can see her heart.
If you want to be successful at something you go around and study those who are already having success and pattern your life after them. I dont look at stats and say nobody can do it. Thats crazy thinking if you ask me. I'd have failed at everything Ive ever done if I had and kept that mentality.
You're thinking too sterile, and not dynamically. Put it in your left brain for a while.
You seem to have backed off claiming there's a test before marriage as to whether it will succeed.
Have you ever looked closely at your wife, and seen the tear well up and feel the choke of pride in her heart when you said or did somthing to hurt her?
There is no test for that, the test is experience, and learning the rules of loving that person until death do you part, the proof of it to me is to look out over my family and see loving relationships.
It's also learning principles to live by in all things, like not quitting. Running the race according to the rules, being compassionate, having faith that Gods in control of all things. I don't mark my marriage by the failures of other marriages, I mark my marriage after the beautiful success I see around me, then when I was a kid and I asked my dad what the key to a successful marriage and he looked at me and says go look in your mothers eyes, you can see her heart.
If you want to be successful at something you go around and study those who are already having success and pattern your life after them. I dont look at stats and say nobody can do it. Thats crazy thinking if you ask me. I'd have failed at everything Ive ever done if I had and kept that mentality.
You're thinking too sterile, and not dynamically. Put it in your left brain for a while.
You seem to have backed off claiming there's a test before marriage as to whether it will succeed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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What if there was an anti-gay vaccine
Just had another look through that OP.
But let's look at biology. If a fluke in mom's hormones early in pregnancy can increase the likelihood of homosexuality in the child -- as some seriously theorize now -- you have to wonder if that hormonal spike can be medically controlled. The presumption is that, with research, it can.
Hormonal strike of What? Being pregnant? Hormones change and adjust for the pregnancy. For women who's hormones dont adjust they suffer miscarriage . In a normal pregnancy the hormones adjust back to normal so the fetus can be expelled. Basically your hormones are telling the body it is expelling a foreign body<---huh no pun intended.
But lets look at this the way everyone looks at these things......another words """it's your mothers fault."""
what? Your mum was sexually active with men (obviously) so you should be ?:wah: How does that explain lesbianism....which in our culture is much more acceptable, as long as you're a sexy lesbian. :-5
What's really funny is I was told I had only sons because I played a lot of sport during my teens and therefore upped my testostrone levels ....then comeone else told me it was hereditary because my grandmother had three boys. doesn't make sense to be honest how come no one else in my family including cousins etc. have had a succession of boys? .........Hmmmm play more sport as you develope girls apparently it will increase your chances of boys.:-5
But let's look at biology. If a fluke in mom's hormones early in pregnancy can increase the likelihood of homosexuality in the child -- as some seriously theorize now -- you have to wonder if that hormonal spike can be medically controlled. The presumption is that, with research, it can.
Hormonal strike of What? Being pregnant? Hormones change and adjust for the pregnancy. For women who's hormones dont adjust they suffer miscarriage . In a normal pregnancy the hormones adjust back to normal so the fetus can be expelled. Basically your hormones are telling the body it is expelling a foreign body<---huh no pun intended.
But lets look at this the way everyone looks at these things......another words """it's your mothers fault."""
what? Your mum was sexually active with men (obviously) so you should be ?:wah: How does that explain lesbianism....which in our culture is much more acceptable, as long as you're a sexy lesbian. :-5
What's really funny is I was told I had only sons because I played a lot of sport during my teens and therefore upped my testostrone levels ....then comeone else told me it was hereditary because my grandmother had three boys. doesn't make sense to be honest how come no one else in my family including cousins etc. have had a succession of boys? .........Hmmmm play more sport as you develope girls apparently it will increase your chances of boys.
:-5