AMBER ALERT--Florida

[mominiowa]

Where were the other girls from and I guess I have not heard that yet.. God help us if this is a physco with intentions of doing this until he's caught.. Has your state had any kids coming up missing only to be found sold to Child Porno stuff? In 79 there were 2 boys kidnapped and they think thats what happened to them..no body - just a wierd string of it till a guy was caught in Kansas in 1984 - same senerio but never confessed to any one of the kids in Iowa... these types of things happen we all know that - but instead of locking them up for good..what ever they did to these kids need done to them.. EX: - My nephew..she should have been made to stand in hot boiling water till her skin peeled off and then the infection killed her - just like she did to him.....can u imagine the pain? No I am not a nut case.. I just sometimes think that everyone who has harmed a child should have an eye for and eye or should experience the Jeffery Dahmer thing when they killed him in prison for killing those boys..Ok so now u think I am nuts..SORRY:) I just have a lot of hate still in me for my nephews killer - and why she would ever be released..Insain or not!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-5 'Good night to all..

[Beth]

This is all in the Tampa Bay Area, so you probably would not have heard about it if you were not in the counties consisting of the Bay Area.

I understand your frustration. I grew up with bad things being done to me and then something bad, but less devastating happening to a child whom I love entirely. I wanted to kill but got over my anger and hatred. Thing is, hearing about kids being harmed incites rage in people. We have instinct to protect the young and it just defies us that a person could so callously destroy that which we must protect.

I still get bad vibes about granpappy, but I wonder if they are the religious type that believes they must remain possitive and not worry in order to truly trust god. I am getting this impression from the dad. I wonder if they see Jessica's dissappearance as a way for them to witness to the world about faith in god. I have relatives like this. Relatives that remain like this even when a dear step-sibling in law went missing never to be heard from again.

[kensloft]

Beth wrote: This is all in the Tampa Bay Area, so you probably would not have heard about it if you were not in the counties consisting of the Bay Area.

I understand your frustration. I grew up with bad things being done to me and then something bad, but less devastating happening to a child whom I love entirely. I wanted to kill but got over my anger and hatred. Thing is, hearing about kids being harmed incites rage in people. We have instinct to protect the young and it just defies us that a person could so callously destroy that which we must protect.

I still get bad vibes about granpappy, but I wonder if they are the religious type that believes they must remain possitive and not worry in order to truly trust god. I am getting this impression from the dad. I wonder if they see Jessica's dissappearance as a way for them to witness to the world about faith in god. I have relatives like this. Relatives that remain like this even when a dear step-sibling in law went missing never to be heard from again.
I have not heard anything on the broadcst news in this country about this diappearance. It is not surprising because the Canadian press is always out of the loop about what is real or not real. They have had their day in the sun and scurried like the rats they are to the dark corners that is their world.

If an atom bomb were dropped on the border of Canada and America then the devastation would only happen in America because we don't have Atomic weapons, hence, because you do then you are dead and we aren't.

Too bad you 'mellicans are so stupid. No bombs! No devastation. Trust me.

[robinseggs]

What about a psychic?? Has anyone had experience with this? It is a shame so many police departments dismiss the use of psychics. I am not a nut, really just a believer as I have seen firsthand how useful they can be.....the true ones, not the fake crazy nuts out there trying to get attention.....but how does one know the difference?

[lady cop]

if i might gently ask to keep this thread just on the topic of Jessica, i will start a crime and punishment thread. thanks all

[lady cop]

father was just on greta again, with bleachy-blonde cousin. father was stumbling all over himself trying to answer a simple question about what he thinks happened. Mark Fuhrman commented, and said exactly what i have said from day 1...this doesn't pass the smell test. none of it. ......psychics--can't use it in court, useless. i have ESP but wouldn't sign an affidavit based on it. 99.9% of the so-called psychics 'helping' the police are nebulous , vague and whack-jobs.

[legaleagle]

Hi Lady cop,

I guess what I am looking for is another realistic alternative to the grandpa did it scenario. A silent home invasion/kidnapping doesn't cut it. So I guess the only other alternatives are that she ran away or left the house to meet some one.

Running away doesn't wash as she would not have left with no shoes and in a nightgown and apparently was not unhappy with her life circumstances there. I guess all that leaves other than a family member did it is a prearranged rendevous with a third party as far as another possible explanation.

If Grandpa was abusing the girl, it would seem that he would have had lots of opportunities and did not need to wait until the middle of the night. Besides, from what we have seen, she did not exhibit any of the usual signs that this sort of activity was going on.

I did not mean to infer that she was a wild child by any stretch - but she could have been infatuated with an older boy who was showing "interest" in her or other adult without being out of control - maybe someone she trusted. Sneaking out of the house at night might have been an exciting concept.

I guess that I just don't want to believe that Grandpa did it . The body obviously is not near there. Did Grandpa have a car? I don't think he could have carried her very far from what I see of him physically.



Having her be a murder victim is bad enough, but grandpa doing it to his granddaughter is just totally repulsive. If that is the end here, I just can't bring myself to accept that he could do such a thing.

[lady cop]

i haven't said i think it's grandpa. i really have reserved judgement and am in Sheriff Dawsey's camp, no leaks. i have talked with another deputy there, but his thinking is the same as mine. what i have said is the father is a weasel and enjoying his 15 minutes to the hilt. and i still do not believe she left voluntarily for any reason. it's been cold down here...thin nightgown, no shoes.(very telling) and nothing else. nope. not a rendezvous. and we really don't know if she exhibited signs of abuse. but i can and do accept the worst of human nature. that's all i deal with. stuff that would leave you reeling in disbelief. appropos of nothing, as to grandpa's physical strength...she only weighs 70 pounds. and he would not need force. he has the power of authority. if i have confused anyone's ideas i apologize, it's all starting to meld into one big cluster f--k.

[CARLA]

LADYCOP,

Do you think they have any real idea what happened to her?? This as you say doesn't past the smell test.. Nothing about any of it makes sense.

I wish some infor one way or the other would come out. I'm not hold out much hope for her being found alive.

Then again Elizabeth Smart was found alive.

Just want this beautiful child found..

[lady cop]

Carla...my very DEAR friend :yh_flower ....Elizabeth Smart was the exception that proves the rule.... if that kid was not found in the first 4 hours she's dead.

[kensloft]

Godiva Girl wrote: This whole thing disgusts me. I don't think the father did this, I have seen him on televison and he may be enjoying the media attention (a**hole) but he didn't do it. Alot of questions have been raised about the dog, the father said this and I knew a Daschund breeder so I can backup the story that that breed of dog does burrow themselves under a blanket(s) at night when they sleep and they will sleep through anything. It is very possible that the dog slept through the abduction. Also, the home that she was taken from was a large "double wide" manufactured home. I lived in florida for years and we owned a mobile home similar to the one jessica went missing from. These homes are made very cheap. If someone wanted to get in, it would be very easy. If the doors were locked they are very easy to open without making a sound, the windows and screens are also very easy to remove, climb into the home, then climb back out and put the screen and window back on within minutes without making hardly any noise. Then there is the layout of the home, usually the master bedroom is on one end and the other bedrooms are all the way on the other end of the home. If the grandparents had the master bedroom, jessica's room would have been all the way on the other side of the home andthe grandparents could have slept through this. I don't think the family is involved or that jessica decided to sneak out or run away. I beleive someone came in and took her. So many days have passed and she hasn't been found. All everyone can do now is pray.


Wow!

[lady cop]

i thought some of the people here may want to visit the FDLE website.

Internet: http://www.fdle.state.fl.us

DATE MISSING: 2/23/2005MISSING FROM: HomosassaCOUNTY: Citrus

BIRTH: 10/6/1995AGE DISAPPEARED: 9 yrs 4 monthsRACE: WhiteHEIGHT: 4' 11" HAIR: BrownSEX: FemaleWEIGHT: 070EYES: Brown

NARRATIVE:

A MISSING CHILD ALERT HAS BEEN ISSUED REGARDING A MISSING CHILD IN HOMOSASSA, FL. THE CITRUS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE LOOKING FOR JESSICA LUNSFORD WHO WAS LAST SEEN WEARING A PINK NIGHTGOWN AND WHITE SHORTS. THE CHILD WAS LAST SEEN IN THE AREA OF SOUTH SONATA DRIVE AND IS BELIEVED TO BE IN DANGER. If you have any information concerning the whereabouts of

this child, please contact the

Citrus County Sheriff's Office at 352-726-1121



or the Missing Children Information Clearinghouse.

[lady cop]

CodeAmber.org - The Web's Amber Alert System

[lady cop]

Billboards Of Missing Girl To Go Up Today

POSTED: 11:45 pm EST March 1, 2005

GASTON CO., N.C. -- Billboards are expected to be put up around our area today, alerting you to the disappearance of a young Florida girl.



Nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford once lived with her family in the Gaston County town of Dallas.

She vanished from her home in central Florida last week,



Jessica's father, Mark Lunsford worked at a bar called The Boardwalk on Franklin Boulevard in Gastonia.

The business is planning a fundraiser this weekend to raise money to help in the search.

Lunsford's cousin, Joe Boles, still lives in Dallas.

He's handing out flyers with her picture on them.

FBI agents have been in Gaston County searching for clues.

[lady cop]

HI Mary...good work! the first link i don't think fits with grandpa here, it would have come out in the news and also i believe we saw him around feb. 25. and the child's father would have mentioned on TV, that's my guess. ....the second link could well be grandpa, now i have to find out his first name. it fits i think. and i wouldn't be surprised if father and son had adjoinng jail cells. thanks, good sleuthing!...and note, it's cold and rsiny here right now.

[lady cop]

these type incidents are not uncommon. further, kids who watch the news or whose parents have them scared witless often exaggerate these things. however, to address your point...the MOs of what happened on the street and what happened with Jessica are entirely different. one type is overt and in broad daylight, as well as probably not a serious kidnap attempt. the other is a surreptitious nightime kidnapping and/or murder within a child's home. with what is probably a fatal result. i have another question on my mind...how did the "stranger" know daddy would not be coming home???

[lady cop]

believe me, everyone in the family has been checked out back to elementary school. the grandfather has been seen on TV, just has said nothing, he is probably afraid someone will ask about his record if in fact the DOC jacket is his.

[legaleagle]

Godiva Girl wrote: This whole thing disgusts me. I don't think the father did this, I have seen him on televison and he may be enjoying the media attention (a**hole) but he didn't do it. Alot of questions have been raised about the dog, the father said this and I knew a Daschund breeder so I can backup the story that that breed of dog does burrow themselves under a blanket(s) at night when they sleep and they will sleep through anything. It is very possible that the dog slept through the abduction. Also, the home that she was taken from was a large "double wide" manufactured home. I lived in florida for years and we owned a mobile home similar to the one jessica went missing from. These homes are made very cheap. If someone wanted to get in, it would be very easy. If the doors were locked they are very easy to open without making a sound, the windows and screens are also very easy to remove, climb into the home, then climb back out and put the screen and window back on within minutes without making hardly any noise. Then there is the layout of the home, usually the master bedroom is on one end and the other bedrooms are all the way on the other end of the home. If the grandparents had the master bedroom, jessica's room would have been all the way on the other side of the home andthe grandparents could have slept through this. I don't think the family is involved or that jessica decided to sneak out or run away. I beleive someone came in and took her. So many days have passed and she hasn't been found. All everyone can do now is pray.






How did Dad get back into the house? I believe I read that he became concerned when he found that the front door was unlocked. Did he come in through the back door when he came home? I believe he said the windows were locked - just the front door was open. Seems like if someone came through an window to kidnap Jessica, they would not have bothered to spend time playing around with window locks to cover up the fact that they came through the window - makes no sense.

So they either came through the front door since it was unlocked (or picked the lock)or Jessica opened it herself. I would find it hard to believe that a stalker would take the chance that the dog would not bark, that the father might show up at anytime since the car/truck was not there or that she might scream or that the grandparents might wake up.

I appreciate that your experience with dashounds is that they do not bark at intruders. That is not my experience with dashounds. Louder and more vociferous creatures I have not met. If you were a stalker, how would you possibly know that the dog would not create a ruckus. Dogs also tend to be protective of family members. It seems that the consensus is that if there was an intruder, he was very familiar with the trailer, where Jessica's room was, and more than likely knew that Jessica's dad was not home and would not be coming back that night. The trailer floor plans I have seen put Dad's room right next to Jessica's - too close to take the risk of being heard if Dad was there and no way out if he did disturb anyone else in the trailer.

Someone familiar tapping on the bedroom window (maybe she knew someone was coming) and Jessica going to the door, I could accept more easily than a stranger invading the house. I don't think you are looking for a stranger here if the guilty person is not living in the Lunsford trailer. If not family, then the person certainly resides nearby. Someone would have seemed to know all the finer details necessary to pull this off and not get caught in the act if a non-family member is the perp.

I can't buy the stranger/stalker scenario. I would think that the police would be able to determine if the door lock or window locks were forceably opened. I haven't heard a word about that or fingerprinting efforts involvings doors or windows. For that matter, if a rear door exists in the house, why not come in through that door rather than the front where you might have a greater chance of being seen.

Have they searched the houses in the area? If not, maybe they should.

[legaleagle]

If she was simply under one of the trailers, the cadaver dogs would have found her and I am certain they have grilled all the offenders in the area. Again, if the perp is not a family member, a local teen boy or local adult probably known to Jessica is a better bet.

Were there older kids in that church youth group or older single males who frequented the church where the older Lunsford's were apparently regular attendees? I am assuming that they brought Jessica to church with them regularly. If the house was entered by someone (which I still think is the least likely scenario) they were either incredibly stupid to do so and were also incredibly lucky to get out undetected at the same time or they were too "knowldgeable" of the situation and have to be local.

[lady cop]

i think the dogs would have sniffed out a body, they covered a lot of ground. i still suspect her scent stopped at the carport. just a guess of course.

[Beth]

I think the dogs would have picked up the scent if she was under someone's mobile home, nearby. It isn't too hard to jump the highway or interstate to do a dirty deed in a county or two away. There are so many remote and secluded place that I am convinced one can dump a body and make it very hard to find. Being a native to my state, I can think of a handful of ways to dispose of a body that would make it highly unlikely to be found, unless the land were to be developed years later. Also, If Jessica lived in a newer doublewide, under different codes, it might not be as easy to enter as previously mentioned. What type of door frame did the front door have? What kind of windows? Did the door have a dead bolt? If the window was broken into, unless it was kept open, it would have shown signs of being pried.

Did the father show a pattern of being gone at a friend's on certain nights of the week? I would think a dog would need to be familiar with someone not to bark. the grandparents, well, they could have slept through noise if their hearing is bad, or, do they take a medicine before bed that makes them drowsy? Do they take sleeping aids?

The dad, well, he may think talking is helping to save or find Jessica. The grandad, well, he is hardly saying anything. THe granma, well, she seems too sincere. It may be personal bias based on experience, but I just have trouble trusting grandfathers. Old perverts.

Why did they release footage of Jessie's room to the public? That seemed screwed to me, there is no way in hell I would allow such a sacred ground as my missing child's room to become on public display. I was upset over being allowed to see it.

Just thoughts running through my mind. LE needs to read this thread to get investigative tips from us. :p

[lady cop]

Hey Beth...LE IS here! :p ...you make an excellent point that non-floridians may not realize...the rapid proximity to 95 from any and all points. you can be hundreds of miles away in short order.which is why we work so closely with the State Police (Triple A of the HIghway , little inside joke there).......and think of the many canals and other bodies of water, it is infinate. canals are traditional dumping grounds for bodies, little Adam Walsh's decapitated body was found in one near Hollywood fla. .....i also think "dad" was with some barfly one-nighter, not really predictable. otherwise we should have seen his "love" by his side on his TV blitz. (how did i get so cynical?) and the video of her bedroom was so contrived it insulted my intelligence.

[CARLA]

The more I read the more I'm taken back to the DANIELLE VANDAM case here in San Diego.. To this day it has never been clearly defined how that monster of a human being DAVID WESTERFIELD got into the VANDAM'S house, got Danielle, and got out.. when the house was full of people... Her brother were in their rooms upstair where her room was.. Just boggles the mind. :-5 How these MONSTERS do what they do.

IF IT IS GRANDPA THEN IT WAS EASY.. FOR HIM..!!

I keep wondering if she was abuses sexually by GRANDPA, and on that night she told him she was going to tell someone, and he killed her.. Just thinking outside the BOX..He may have been abusing her for years..

BOY I WISH SOMETHING WOULD BREAK IN THIS CASE.. I FEAR SHE IS DEAD, JUST NEED TO FIND HER NOW. :-1

[lady cop]

thankyou for the link...i listened to the father with interest, and despite the headline he did NOT say he thinks someone in the family knows who took Jessica. that was misleading. i also kept saying "red herring" to myself as he spoke, can't explain, simply my "gut". ........another note, i did find the grandmother credible about putting the child to bed. at least credible to that point......also, i have searched florida criminal records and have found nothing on the father so far.

[lady cop]

the writer of the article was extremely misleading, i find that irresponsible. journalists aren't supposed to imply anything, simply report the facts, unless it's an editorial. but i was glad to listen to the dad. every time he opens his mouth i see the sinkhole expanding. something about him stinks, however i am not saying he killed her.

[lady cop]

well well well...IF the daddy's middle initial is A. (mark lunsford), he has quite a jacket in NC...DWI, B&E (breaking and entering) and attempted fraud (by burning a dwelling). i knew he was dirty!! (what towns are contained in alamance county?)

[lady cop]

HEH , i'm the one who said i wouldn't be shocked if father and son had adjoining jail cells. as to the dearth of news stories, it's the media that has moved on to other things, there's simply nothing to report. i haven't done it, but you could check the Orlando Sentinel.

[lady cop]

i got a few minutes of the news conference on CNN...sheriff said grandpa had a record from 50 years ago( He IS Archie!), and he has not been able to get the details. MSNBC as usual is a bunch of incompetent liars, not showing the presser which has been going on since 1600 sharp. . no mention whether the daddy has a record, so i am going to make a couple phone calls.

[mominiowa]

What does CNN have to say today? I have not heard anything and I am off to my other job tonight..Post what you know.. I would love to hear something...They need to keep it fresh - Martha has wrinkles, we all know this already..LOL ..and Jessica is still out there----Thanks for the update! Have a good night.....

[mominiowa]

lady cop wrote: i got a few minutes of the news conference on CNN...sheriff said grandpa had a record from 50 years ago( He IS Archie!), and he has not been able to get the details. MSNBC as usual is a bunch of incompetent liars, not showing the presser which has been going on since 1600 sharp. . no mention whether the daddy has a record, so i am going to make a couple phone calls.


So - A. could be Mark A. Lunsford ~ Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh creep