Embrace the new administration?

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AussiePam;1070072 wrote: I'm not American, so make no comment on your anger at your country's choice of President. But this bit of your OP, I find curious.



In all the months and months of lead-up to the election, if Mr Obama's legitimacy as a candidate was in any real doubt, why - with all the resources available to the Republican party and their supporters (not to mention Hilary Clinton's supporters and her incredible campaign funds) - was nobody able to disqualify him outright, or even shed enough doubt to prevent so many of your countryman voting for him????


I know it is sad Pam that it was not rooted out before the election but the beat goes on. It is now alleged that Obama's online birth certificate was a fraud, this from Hawaiian authorities:



The State of Hawaii has declared the certificate posted on “Factcheck.org” and other sites is not even an accurate representation of Obama’s actual birth certificate on file there. According to Andy Martin of Chicago, who has been pursing this issue for some time, the actual certificate is a type written document and it is being withheld from the public until a judge can rule on the case brought by Martin seeking disclosure of this document. The following is from Martin’s web site at “contrariancommentary.blogspot.com”:



Also, Andy martin filed a lawsuit over the certificate.

Andy Martin files lawsuit in Hawaii concerning Obama birth certificate controversy | Tyranny Watch



And the beat goes on and on and on!!!!

[scholle-kid]

Originally Posted by AussiePam

He led your country in to war with iraq on false pretences, has bankrupted your nation, introduced imprisonment without trial and lost any claim america might have had to the moral high ground and alienated your allies and completely failed to go after osama bin laden in any meaningful way.






Damn, to bad there aren't a few more Americans able to see what REALLY is going on in front of their face. I do not like what Bush Sr. or Jr. by hook or crook have been able to get the rest of the government in Washington to do to our country and the world around us.



Originally Posted by Jester

"Depending on how bad he messes up the country I may go fight him all the way."


It seems to me that Obama can't 'mess up' anything cuz those two Texan's haven't left very damn much of our country .our American way or the rest of the world for that matter in anything but one huge mess.If Obama does nothing more than 'STOP' the practices that the Bushes started in our country and the world, he will have improved the situation.

As hard and dirty as the American government has become on it's own citizens about Identification and having to prove what our Sh** looked like this morning( a bit of an exaggeration) unless you have tried to get a drivers license that has been legal for over 25 years with no points against it renewed or tired to get land taxes accessed and paid for like any other year for over 30 years ,, I can not belive that Obama didn't have all his paperwork and all the T's crossed the I's dotted.. do you really belive any of the BS the media sells ? **** it was one little lawyer standing there with nothing but words yelling about paperwork,,



I moved out to a little piece of property over 20 years ago when Bush Sr. started screwing the rest of the world and us , and let me tell you as an American on American soil paying American taxes, you need to either stand up and be counted as an American or find some where better to be.

Originally Posted by Jester

"I live on my land, and I declare it my sovereign nation, under no obligation to the US Government but wholly dedicated to the preservation of the US Constitution. I am as of 20 Jan an anarchist standing against this government, claming the right of the constitution to throw off the tyrannical and illegal official of Barack Obamination. "


You my dear just proved with this BS statement that YOU WATCH WAY TO DAMN MUCH TV.

[AussiePam]

"Originally Posted by AussiePam

He led your country in to war with iraq on false pretences, has bankrupted your nation, introduced imprisonment without trial and lost any claim america might have had to the moral high ground and alienated your allies and completely failed to go after osama bin laden in any meaningful way.

"

You know I really don't recall saying that, Scholl-kid?????? Though I do agree with some of it. Can you remind me of the context?

[Kathy Ellen]

AussiePam;1070622 wrote:

He led your country in to war with iraq on false pretences, has bankrupted your nation, introduced imprisonment without trial and lost any claim america might have had to the moral high ground and alienated your allies and completely failed to go after osama bin laden in any meaningful way.

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You know I really don't recall saying that, Scholl-kid?????? Though I do agree with some of it. Can you remind me of the context?


Pam did not say this SK....gmc did in post #24

[Lon]

I am a bit late to this discussion Jester, but feel that your actions are way premature, though within your rights. I can't prove it, but I get the feeling that there is more to your dislike of Obama than the reasons you state, nor has anyone so far proven that Obama was born in Kenya. Further, I really don't think that the socialist left wing swing that you envision will be that dramatic or fast in coming. Granted, there will be change, but why not learn to live and survive well with that change. You can certainly do so without sacrificing your basic beliefs.

I have voted for every president since Ike, some presidents I liked and some I loathed, but none of them affected my belief system, my ability to earn a good living, to save, to invest, to raise my kids well, to retire. Frankly, they did not make one damn bit of difference. I just adapted to new tax laws and economic conditions of the time and planned accordingly. Never did I have to sacrifice my principles. Your running off to hide in the mountains is really a cop out in my view and totally not in keeping with a guy that though I disagree with on many issues, I believed to be a gutsy

individualist. Stick around, conduct your fight with Obama within the system. That's possible you know. Why give up and chuck it in? You won't be arrested for your anti Bama sentiments, at least not yet>

[scholle-kid]

AussiePam;1070622 wrote: "Originally Posted by AussiePam

He led your country in to war with iraq on false pretences, has bankrupted your nation, introduced imprisonment without trial and lost any claim america might have had to the moral high ground and alienated your allies and completely failed to go after osama bin laden in any meaningful way.

"



You know I really don't recall saying that, Scholl-kid?????? Though I do agree with some of it. Can you remind me of the context?


You are competently right , it was Originally Posted by gmc

I owe you an apology and want to say I apologize and Thank you for catching my mistake.

[scholle-kid]

JAB;1070624 wrote: And you just proved that you don't know a damn about Jester either. Watch too much TV? No, he was actually busy fighting for your freedoms in a real war not wasting his time watching actors play at it.


your right I don't know anymore about jester than the words he uses and I can tell you true this don't work this way not in America today.

"

"I live on my land, and I declare it my sovereign nation, under no obligation to the US Government but wholly dedicated to the preservation of the US Constitution. I am as of 20 Jan an anarchist standing against this government, claming the right of the constitution to throw off the tyrannical and illegal official of Barack Obamination. "

[scholle-kid]

Before 9/11 and the changes the Bush adminastrtion made to the 'laws' of the land here at home, their was a notasable difference between state State requirements and federal government requirments . But as it goes now days the forest ran ges are all armed and have the same authority as the BI ,, the state policeman and the DOT and the county deputies all have the same authority . heres something I don't have to worry to much about because I'm 15 miles from the nearest small town but a city employee has the same aurityas the chief of police in some matters. Now in most cases these ' public' bservents are just regular poeple going about thier daily lives doing thier jobs, but on occasion thier is that one ***** that seems to believe that uniform makes him some God Like creature with un stoppable powers,, and thats when the regular citizen learns just how much our State requirements and federal government requirments have been changed from what has always been to what is now done.

[scholle-kid]

Jester;1070817 wrote: Ok Kid slow down a bit.



What is it your saying? That cops sometimes get an authority complex? Thats not exactly new since Bush came into office.






I will change tracks for just a sec and let it be known that I have always supported and when given a chance Thanked any and all Americans in our military services for what they do for me and mine as American solders, I have a brother that did his part in desert storm and I have a nephew that has done his part twice in iraq the last 6 years. The TV remark I sent to you was because your words really do sound like some one that really belives the crap hollywood puts out.

so I will take this time to say Thank you for doing the job of protecting America and our right to pursure happiness and live the American way.

That said i will go back on topic.

Authority complexs for cops are as old as 'law envorcement , and are not just in law enforcement .

As it has been said here in a post .I really don't know nothing about you except for the words you use, and I know that the words you have used here in this quote ( "I live on my land, and I declare it my sovereign nation, under no obligation to the US Government) is just not happening in these United States in this date and time. I am not some nut job and when a person takes the time and effort to sit back and really watch the way things are happening and pays attention to the words comming from the pie hole of our leader /leaders it is not a far strech to the awful truth that yes sometime soon we the people will be standing up and demanding a change probally by force , for the preservation of the US Constitution

because as it seems to be happening now some one seems to be trying to do we the people more like we the sheepeople and most Americans are happy to let it happen as long as they have a walmart and a piece of plastic in thier daily go about.

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scholle-kid;1070522 wrote:

You my dear just proved with this BS statement that YOU WATCH WAY TO DAMN MUCH TV.
No he proved you need to read and understand (Y)OUR Constitution and rights as a American citizen..

That's all.

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Jester;1070509 wrote: To your knowledge has the Hawaiian judge released a decision on the birth certificate yet?


Not that I can find.....



Here are a few links of interest;



This video provides an analysis of Obama's Certificate of Live Birth by Dr. Ron Polarik detailing the factors contributing to his conclusion that the document is not authentic. "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video









This ad ran on page 5 of the November 17th, 2008 edition of the Washington Times National Weekly

[Daniyal]

Jester;1071341 wrote: I have alreadysigned this one, Ive sent multiple letters to Mr Obama, called his campagn HQ in CA and I have called each of my reps and senators as well as emailed them. I have been laughed at or ingored on every occasion.




Guess that show you they know who they're dealing with ( Right ) !

[Omni_Skittles]

Jester;1069246 wrote: Long story here bear with me:

I believe Obama is not constitutionally qualified to hold office as POTUS. As such I refused military service passed January 20th, through some strange twists and circumstances I was shortly thereafer released from duty.

At one point making my way up the chain of command and explaining my issues as I went up, I was asked this question?

"jester", do you know what the bleepin-bleepin hell your doing?

Yes, like always Im living my convictions.

So here is my question to you guys? Will you go along for the democrat ride? Will you fight it? Will you complain along the way? What will you do?

I have decided to retreat to my hills. I'm closing down my business's, and I'm cancelling all my government contracts. I will spend as little of my money as possible and fidn and take advantage of every stinking lying tax loophole I can find during the time Obama is ruining the nation, I will not return to fight for this president even if recalled.

I will fly my American Flag upside down until he is no longer in office.

He is not my president.

I will live under the principles of the constitution alone until such time as a proper government is restored in the USA.

I think thats about the best I can do under my convictions in protest of the upcoming event on Jan 20th.I think it's too soon to judge.

[Kindle]

Here's what Snopes has to say about Obama's birth certificate:

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

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Daniyal;1098264 wrote: Guess that show you they know who they're dealing with ( Right ) !


Your point is?

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I must admit I initially thought this was a farfetched question. But there is a significant body of evidence, some circumstantial, that suggests the answer may be “no.” :

According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to “TWO” U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,“ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.

But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya. Well, the Hawaiian law stiplulates that:

…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

It appears that Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means she was shy of the 21 years of age required by the law. In other words, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At what point was Barack Obama Jr., son of Barack Obama Sr., recognized by the U.S. Government as an American citizen? When he moved to Indonesia with his mother and step-father in the mid-1960s I am assuming he had a U.S. passport.

I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.





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