Embrace the new administration?

[spot]

I'm impressed that you're living your principles. I hope you get a lot of the American members in here to answer your question. This will be my only post here, I'm not qualified.

[spot]

Then, since you were there, what proportion of those around you reacted in the same way and to the same extent as you did?

[gmc]

Be interesting to see what your fellow americans will have to say in answer to your question. I'm kind of with spot on this one. opinionated but perhaps not qualified.

What would you have said to someone that felt the same way you do and took the same actions when it was Bush who was the president elect?

[Oscar Namechange]

Nice to have you back Jester :-6

[CARLA]

I will embrace him and give the man a chance. There is a reason he was elected we are all hungry for change. We are at a low in this country that I haven't been apart in my life time. I believe Obama can lead us as a Nation this was destined.

I hate to disagree with you Jester he is your President you live here. You can bluster all you want but push come to shove this man in our President. He hasn't even been sworn in and your blasting him for things he hasn't even done yet. I thought you were a bit more flexible than that. Don't shoot yourself in the foot for no apparent reason.

I'm 61 one I have seen many presidents come and go and I have learned one thing, the ones with the most to lose are usually the best. Give the man a chance he has the toughest job of any President in the past 50 years.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[spot]

Jester;1069254 wrote: The man has ZERO actual experience in leadership.He has, perhaps, around as much as Harry Truman had.

But he's not constitutionally qualified to hold office as POTUS, that's the key point of your complaint. You accept that he won the Electoral College? It's all down to his failure to respond to the court case which demanded the production of his birth certificate. He failed to respond to a court order and therefore the default legal condition is that he has never been a natural-born US citizen as required by the Constitution for anyone taking office as POTUS. It's not a question any longer of whether he was born in Kenya or in Hawaii, it's that he didn't file in court in the allocated time. Have I got that right?

[YZGI]

Jester, I was between 1. Embrace him and 2. Go about my normal business.



I figure the majority of Americans voted for him so he IS the POTUS. I did not vote for him.



However intriguing the points you have made in the past about him not being Constitutionally eligible no one has yet made that case. I realize that some have tried but if there was actual proof I can't believe that someone higher up or with some power in this country hasn't made the case and shown the proof.



He will be our President, I will not blindly support him but I will not fight tooth and nail against him until proof of his un-constitutional status is proved.

[sunny104]

I picked: go about our normal business. I didn't vote for him but it'll be interesting to see what happens.



oh, and welcome back!! :-6

[qsducks]

I did vote for him and will embrace him. I've had enough of Bush's policies for my lifetime. And I love that he picked Tom Daschel for the Health dept. Goody, my friend is getting a new boss that is not some anti-woman whack job. Oh, and welcome back Jester.

[gmc]

Jester;1069256 wrote: More power to him, its his life and his convictions, If I didn't know him and he'd not yet fought Id have branded him a coward. These men aren't cowards they have been to the fight and proved they are warriors.

Feel free GMC express your opinion, I dont always agree with you or Spot but I respect your opinons.


My understanding is that the election of Bush was subject to some controversy with allegations of ballot rigging etc. Obama at least seems to have a legitimate win.

He led your country in to war with iraq on false pretences, has bankrupted your nation, introduced imprisonment without trial and lost any claim america might have had to the moral high ground and alienated your allies and completely failed to go after osama bin laden in any meaningful way.

Obama on the other hand spoke out against the war-it takes real moral courage to stand against the crowd and for what you think is right. Don't understand how you can think of him as a socialist.

America has become a corporatist state, just about anything would be better than that.

Liberal democracy has reasserted itself and the people have spoken. Why do you object to democracy because you seem to be suggesting you prefer a fascist, militaristic state

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1069643 wrote: My understanding is that the election of Bush was subject to some controversy with allegations of ballot rigging etc. Obama at least seems to have a legitimate win.




True

[Kathy Ellen]

I will give the man a chance, and hope he brings peace to our country.



Welcome back Jester...we missed you:-4

[CARLA]

Jester I can't argue with your convictions your true to them and that is above all else commendable. You don't waver one bit I have to respect that totally. By the way welcome back, we kept Hoss busy while you were gone.

[QUOTE][QUOTE]No Carla, he is not my president, he is not constitutionally elected, because he is ineligible to hold office. I believe he was born in Kenya, and brought to the Hawaii and declared a US citizen. I think his mother was not and is not a US citizen, I think his name is Barry Seateo and I will not serve him in any way. I did not vote for him. If in some way I am forced to serve him then I will move to South Korea, I have a standing offer to join their government. I would consider that a last resort.

I live on my land, and I declare it my sovereign nation, under no obligation to the US Government but wholly dedicated to the preservation of the US Constitution. I am as of 20 Jan an anarchist standing against this government, claming the right of the constitution to throw off the tyrannical and illegal official of Barack Obamination.

I recognize Biden as the legitimate elect-POTUS. I totally disagree with all he stands for but for better or worse, for me, he is the US President come 20 Jan.

I'm 43, and I have served in the military under that lying bastard Bill Clinton and I will never serve another democrat president on active duty. I won't be a part of the pull back where I have to explain to a group of men that they are on their own because our president doesn't have enough balls to finish what he started. Obamination isn't even elected yet and the wave of leaving those we supported against terrorism is already in retreat.



You may think this is blustering but its how I feel, and It's how I will respond. If it backfires on me then I'll accept any and all consequences. Until the US socialists force me to right my upside down flag, it will fly that way, which will most likely be over my dead body.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

[Kathy Ellen]

Jester;1069823 wrote: Howdy darlin, thanks!



Hows things in your neck of the woods?


Just wonderful at the beach Jester. Tourists are gone and things in school have slowed down a bit:-6:-6



Happy to see you posting again:guitarist

[CARLA]

Jester Hoss is a fine young man. They are both pretty smitten with each other and it is as cute as can be.

[QUOTE]I can see you guys kept him busy, he has a lot of fun here, but he suddenly has become quite busy with a certain young lady! She's a looker too Carla! She's got that dark complexion like someone else I know! (you)![/QUOTE]

[Odie]

Jester;1069246 wrote: Long story here bear with me:

I believe Obama is not constitutionally qualified to hold office as POTUS. As such I refused military service passed January 20th, through some strange twists and circumstances I was shortly thereafer released from duty.

At one point making my way up the chain of command and explaining my issues as I went up, I was asked this question?

"jester", do you know what the bleepin-bleepin hell your doing?

Yes, like always Im living my convictions.

So here is my question to you guys? Will you go along for the democrat ride? Will you fight it? Will you complain along the way? What will you do?

I have decided to retreat to my hills. I'm closing down my business's, and I'm cancelling all my government contracts. I will spend as little of my money as possible and fidn and take advantage of every stinking lying tax loophole I can find during the time Obama is ruining the nation, I will not return to fight for this president even if recalled.

I will fly my American Flag upside down until he is no longer in office.

He is not my president.

I will live under the principles of the constitution alone until such time as a proper government is restored in the USA.

I think thats about the best I can do under my convictions in protest of the upcoming event on Jan 20th.




welcome home Jester!:-4

I will not invade here as I do not have enough infomation and facts.

[qsducks]

Jester;1069814 wrote: Thanks darlin! It is good to be back, even if we get a healthy disagreement goin!;)


I was just saying to my mom that their is a guy on my forum that is completely anti-Obama but that was alright because we have agreed to disagree.:wah:

[qsducks]

Jester;1069918 wrote: 'A' guy, singlular? I think Hoppy might take exception to that statement! There is at least 2 of us!:yh_rotfl


Hey, your new "buddy" is on Barbara Walters tonight.:yh_rotfl

[qsducks]

Jester;1069961 wrote: Dennis Miller?


No, the new POTUS!:wah:

[gmc]

Jester;1069809 wrote: He needs to show me a copy of his true birth certificate. If he sends me a copy and it's certified and I can prove it is legit that he was born in the USA I'll recognize him as POTUS. But I still wont be a part of the socialism that 's coming. I won't contribute taxes to his way of government.

He didn't just fail to respond, he purposely dodged the truth. I'm not sure what part of his birth circumstances he is hiding that makes him ineligible, but he is hiding it, now he's elected, has nothing to loose and he still hasn't cleared up the issue.

The judge threw out the case, it will never be heard, apparently a US citizen cannot bring such a suit against Obamination, he coudlnt prove 'damages'. So without proof, without a concluded case to study to form an opinion I have nothing to do but look at the evidence presented in the case before it was thrown out and decide for myself. And I think Obama is lying through his teeth.


In the states I thought it was the accuser that had to prove the case not the accused that had to prove their innocence-that's the way the french do it:sneaky:

It's like me claiming you a a martian, the fact that you can't prove you're not doesn't make my claim true. Let those who claim he wasn't born in america produce a birth certificate proving otherwise. The whole things smacks of desperation on the part of his political opponents

If you feel so strongly about this kind of thing and integrity in politicians in general why are you not joining in all the calls to have Bush impeached for fabricating intelligence reports and deliberately misleading the american people? That he did is beyond doubt (so did tony blair and i would like to see him out in trial as well).

[AussiePam]

Jester;1069246 wrote:

I believe Obama is not constitutionally qualified to hold office as POTUS.


I'm not American, so make no comment on your anger at your country's choice of President. But this bit of your OP, I find curious.

In all the months and months of lead-up to the election, if Mr Obama's legitimacy as a candidate was in any real doubt, why - with all the resources available to the Republican party and their supporters (not to mention Hilary Clinton's supporters and her incredible campaign funds) - was nobody able to disqualify him outright, or even shed enough doubt to prevent so many of your countryman voting for him????

[gmc]

Jester;1070076 wrote: Apparently, its up to the individual party to make sure the candidate is eligiable and no one else, and unless you can demonstrate real damages against yourself, you cant enter a lawsuit in federal court to challenge it. Apparently until there are damages no one can bring the suit. So until day 1 of his presidency, no one can really do anything about it.


Do you really believe the democratic party are daft enough not to make sure about something like this? Seems to me you have more reason to doubt the legitimacy of bush's presidency. I read there are moves afoot to impeach him (bush I mean) likely do you think?

[AussiePam]

Jester;1070076 wrote: Apparently, its up to the individual party to make sure the candidate is eligiable and no one else, and unless you can demonstrate real damages against yourself, you cant enter a lawsuit in federal court to challenge it. Apparently until there are damages no one can bring the suit. So until day 1 of his presidency, no one can really do anything about it.


In any political system there are huge vested interests in getting your person elected. And I'm sure no effort is ever spared in checking out the opponent, digging out dirty linen, doing one's utmost to scupper him/her - using any method at all (nice or nasty) that can be managed. Forget a lawsuit in federal court and official investigations. Trial by media is normal these days, and I find it impossible to grasp that all of America's right wing media didn't do their durndest to get rid of a thorn in their flesh. They were clearly not successful in this.

Any outside observer would just have to conclude that there has been nothing to find, and that Mr Obama was a completely legitimate candidate and has now been democratically elected - in a landslide victory - as incoming President of the United States of America.

Jester - I've lived in places where the candidate I've voted for has not won, and I can understand your disappointment. But this is democracy working.

[AussiePam]

Jester;1070433 wrote: I wish I could belive that Pammie.


But that's just the point, Jester. Democracy works both ways - and not just when it suits. You scare me a bit. It's like when I read of the military taking over in third world countries whenever they don't like the political outcome. And you get a dictator ruling by gunpower. Democracy may have its flaws - we know it's not perfect - but it's the system my country and yours hold dear, and try to promote in the world. Democracy has spoken very clearly.

[BTS]

Jester;1069248 wrote: Spot feel free to post, feel free to vote, his presidency affects you as well. I'm interested in what people think about the subject, but I will be particularly interested in what my fellow Americans think.


Before I read your post I read the poll then answered it. I clicked retreat and intend to bury my head in de sand (for only 4 years I hope).

In fact I just got this email (ironic) that sums it up in laymens terms better than I can.







It's all about the Ice Cream.












The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade in 2000. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make campaign speeches and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I'd never met Olivia's mother.



The day arrived when the kid candidates were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. All of the class applauded.



Jamie sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream."

She then sat down without saying another word. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream," the class chanted.

She surely would say more, I thought. She did not have to.



A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn't know. The class really didn't seem to care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was a forgotten candidate. Olivia won by a land slide.



Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers everyone ice cream. And 60% percent of Americans reacts like nine year olds. They want free ice cream! The other 40% percent know they're going to have to feed the cow.

“….Amen !!!!

….Don’t set there laugh’n. It ain’t but a matter of a few weeks.!”