House Hearing On 'warming Of The Planet' Canceled After Ice Storm

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:48 am

HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM

HEARING NOTICE

Tue Feb 13 2007 19:31:25 ET

The Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The hearing is entitled â€œClimate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?â€

The hearing will be rescheduled to a date and time to be announced later.

DC WEATHER REPORT:

Wednesday: Freezing rain in the morning. Total ice accumulation between one half to three quarters of an inch. Brisk with highs in the mid 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph...increasing to northwest 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Lows around 18. Northwest winds around 20 mph.

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:07 am

It's a great article, all the better for being true. Some things just fit together perfectly.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:10 am

Yeah thats right, everything is fine, go back to bed, don't worry about it.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:31 pm

Diuretic;553342 wrote: Damn, they just missed the warmest January since records were kept. Bad timing will get ya every time!

And where may that be?

Please tell us ALL about this warm January......

And I will tell you about a COLD COLD winter in NM........ And the WEST as a whole

OH yah this Global warmin is just frostin me Ass every mornin I have to scrape the Frost and snow off me winshield.......

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:44 pm

This photo provided by the Bancroft Arnesen Explore shows Liv Arnesen as she pulls a sled during a North Pole expedition in Ward Hunt Island, Canada, Tuesday, March 6, 2007. The expedition, which was intended to be a 530 mile (853 kilometers) trek across the Arctic Ocean and meant to bring attention to global warming, was called off March 10 after Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes. (AP Photo/Bancroft Arnesen Expedition, Hunter Bancroft

And this GLOBAL warminmg just frost her toes

Just as it FROSTS me ARSE!!!!!!!!

ALL HOTT AIR!!!!

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:56 pm

About GLOBAL warmin..........

Just ask these people WHO set out to prove global warming:

LINK HERE:

http://www.physorg.com/news92982598.html

Then there was the cold - quite a bit colder, Atwood said, than Bancroft and Arnesen had expected. One night they measured the temperature inside their tent at 58 degrees below zero, and outside temperatures were exceeding 100 below zero at times, Atwood said.

AHHHH Yes Global WARMING..........

Sent out to prove it and get FROST BITTEN........... From 100 below temps...........

Yes........ this is GLOBAL WARMIN at it's BEST......

BUTT........... It still FROST me arse!!!!!!!!!

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:41 pm

BTS;583938 wrote: And where may that be?

Please tell us ALL about this warm January......

And I will tell you about a COLD COLD winter in NM........ And the WEST as a whole

OH yah this Global warmin is just frostin me Ass every mornin I have to scrape the Frost and snow off me winshield.......

This sound so much like Captain Ray and his "it can't be true - I can see loads of trees from my front door"

Why do you think they call it "Global" Warming?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:07 am

Things that GO bump in the nite

BUMP

Post by **spot** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:35 am

Scientists monitoring the electromagnetic emission spectrum of the moon announced this week that the moon has warmed 2.7Â°C since measurements first began in 1957 and that the rate of increase is accelerating rapidly. NASA's JPL speculates that the expansion of earth's atmospheric layer due to global warming has spilled excess carbon dioxide beyond the earth's gravitational well and that the moon is consequently accumulating an atmosphere for the first time in its existence. Calculations suggest that this transfer effect will eventually stabilize global warming while transforming lunar conditions to resemble Hawaii without the beaches.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:28 pm

BTS;583938 wrote: And where may that be?

Please tell us ALL about this warm January......

On earth.

Winter warmth breaks all records

Winter in the Northern Hemisphere this year has been the warmest since records began more than 125 years ago ...

Asia Sees Warmest Winter On Record

...Tokyo has ended winter without snow for the first time on record...

Global temps set record for warmest winter

This winter was the warmest on record worldwide...

2007: Warmest year ever so far, with more heat on the way

The National Climatic Data Center reports that for "the January-April year-to-date period, the global surface temperature ranked warmest on record

Singh-Song · Post by **Singh-Song** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:42 am

Why does every American think that 'the world' means them and no-one else? Global Warming will see some parts of the world bordering the Atlantic cooling down, as the Gulf Stream gets more unstable. Try looking at the trend on the U.S. Western sea-board, and quit filling the cramped room we call Earth with your second-hand smoke!You're not just killing yourself slowly, you're killing everyone else as well...

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:35 pm

spot;585704 wrote: NASA's JPL speculates that the expansion of earth's atmospheric layer due to global warming has spilled excess carbon dioxide beyond the earth's gravitational well and that the moon is consequently accumulating an atmosphere for the first time in its existence.

Key word here..............speculates

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:40 pm

Singh-Song;652149 wrote: Why does every American think that 'the world' means them and no-one else? Global Warming will see some parts of the world bordering the Atlantic cooling down, as the Gulf Stream gets more unstable. Try looking at the trend on the U.S. Western sea-board, and quit filling the cramped room we call Earth with your second-hand smoke!You're not just killing yourself slowly, you're killing everyone else as well...

Singh-Song

Please show us SCIENTIFIC facts to back up your claim and not touchie FEELLY Keee-rap

GLOBAL WARMING HAS NEVER been scientifically proved...

IT IS ALL speculation.......

IT is WEATHER!!!!!!!!!

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:04 pm

Bored_Wombat;624585 wrote: On earth.

Winter warmth breaks all records

Winter in the Northern Hemisphere this year has been the warmest since records began more than 125 years ago ...

Asia Sees Warmest Winter On Record

...Tokyo has ended winter without snow for the first time on record...

Global temps set record for warmest winter

This winter was the warmest on record worldwide...

2007: Warmest year ever so far, with more heat on the way

The National Climatic Data Center reports that for "the January-April year-to-date period, the global surface temperature ranked warmest on record

The hottest temperature on Earth ever recorded most likely occurred in Death Valley, California during 43 consecutive days between July 6 and August 17, 1917. During those days, the temperature was over 48 degrees Celsius (120 degrees Fahrenheit). The national weather service recorded 56.7 Â°C (134 Â°F). The date reported there was July 10, 1913.

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930 -- 08/04/2006... are not the hottest on record. That "honor" belongs to a summer 76 years ago -- decades before the controversy over "man-made global warming" began. ...

The Summer of 1992... One cold Summer

NOAA News Online (Story 2319)16, 2004 â€” The contiguous United States experienced its 16th coolest summer (June-August) on record and seventh coolest August, according to scientists at ...

SEPTEMBER 1936 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED ...The warmest summer on record, with a national average temperature of 74.3 degrees, was in 1936. The coolest summer on record was in 1915, at 69.5 degrees F. ...

Cool Summer 2004Oklahoma had its 6th coolest July on record. In fact most places east of the Rocky Mountains are in the midst of a cool summer. ...

More on Cool Summer 2004...METEOROLOGICAL SUMMER WILL BE ONE OF THE COOLEST ON RECORD. .... IT WAS THE 5TH COOLEST SUMMER ON RECORD AT HURON WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF 67.1 ...

Rural News - 1/03/2002: Coolest summer on record in SASouth Australia has had its coolest summer on record with many regions on average five degrees cooler than last years exceptionally hot summer The cool ...

NWS Lincoln, IL -- Cool Summer of 2004Unseasonably Cool Summer across Central Illinois so far. ... Springfield had its 6th coolest July on record, and tied for the 9th coolest June on record. ...

Cool summer for Victoria: final summary - Bureau of Meteorology ...Victoria has experienced a relatively cool summer with maximum and minimum temperatures ... which was the highest number of days for February on record. ...

The Summer of 1992... One cold SummerNot only was the month abnormally cool, it was extremely wet, especially across ... This made the Summer of 1992 the second coldest on record back to 1870. ...

Geraldton looks to hot summer after record cool start. 03/01/2006 ...Geraldton in mid-west Western Australia has experienced the coolest December on record for more than 50 years The average daily maximum temperature in ...

Western states enjoying cool summerWestern states enjoying cool summer By Amanda Riddle, The Assoicated Press ... to the summer's low temperatures, a strong monsoon season has dropped record ...

JS Online: Cool summer puts corn, soybean crops weeks behind in ...Cool summer puts corn, soybean crops weeks behind in development. Associated Press ... It was also a record-setting day for chills in Wisconsin. ...

National Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac

On a more recent note and better in the memory of Southeast Lower Michiganders, is the hot summer of 1988, when a record amount of 90 degree or better days, ...

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:33 pm

BTS;656138 wrote: Singh-Song

Please show us SCIENTIFIC facts to back up your claim and not touchie FEELLY Keee-rap

How does your blustering and meaningless chest thumping prove your point?

Anyone can take up a contrary position and simply refute an argument with a knee jerk response.

Monty Python taught us that !

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:43 pm

Richard Bell;656155 wrote: How does your blustering and meaningless chest thumping prove your point?

Anyone can take up a contrary position and simply refute an argument with a knee jerk response.

Monty Python taught us that !

Is not SCIENCE to disprove everything before it is a fact of science?

A carpenter, a schoolteacher, and scientist were traveling by train through Scotland when they saw a black sheep through the window of the train.

"Aha," said the carpenter with a smile, "I see that Scottish sheep are black."

"Hmm," said the school teacher, "You mean that some Scottish sheep are black."

"No," said the scientist glumly, "All we know is that there is at least one sheep in Scotland, and that at least one side of that one sheep is black."

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:26 pm

BTS;656138 wrote: Singh-Song

Please show us SCIENTIFIC facts to back up your claim and not touchie FEELLY Keee-rap

GLOBAL WARMING HAS NEVER been scientifically proved...

Well, the globe is warming:

That proves the "global warming" aspect of it, doesn't it?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:40 pm

Bored_Wombat;656162 wrote: Well, the globe is warming:

That proves the "global warming" aspect of it, doesn't it?

Does IT?

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:12 pm

BTS;656150 wrote: The hottest temperature on Earth ever recorded most likely occurred in Death Valley, California during 43 consecutive days between July 6 and August 17, 1917. During those days, the temperature was over 48 degrees Celsius (120 degrees Fahrenheit). The national weather service recorded 56.7 Â°C (134 Â°F). The date reported there was July 10, 1913.

Yes.

Well, no.

The hottest was in El Azizia, Libya, on 13/9/1922. 136 Â°F.

However, you're missing the point. Global warming is a global climate thing, not a single temperature at a single station thing.

The magnitude of anthropogenic warming is about 1Â°C at the moment. Local effects swamp it on a day to day and certainly a location to location basis, but it is still damaging the cryosphere, increasing disease, driving animals out of their habitats, destroying the world's coral ecosystems, increasing fresh water stress and flooding, and increasing starvation in the third world.

It kills a conservative 150,000 people per year currently. (See Impact of regional climate change on human health, Patz et al, Nature Vol 438,17 November 2005)

And it is estimated to commit to extinction about 35% of all the world's species by 2050, for high range climate change estimates. (See Extinction risk from climate change, Thomas et al, Nature, Vol 427, 8 January 2004).

Note that the current climate change is greater than the high range estimates:

(Graph from Global and regional drivers of accelerating CO2 emissions, Raupach et al, PNAS, June 12 2007,vol. 104)

The point being that global changes of less than a degree will be utterly devastating, but obviously at any station local weather varies much more than this on any time scale larger than about a minute.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:24 pm

BTS;656150 wrote: A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930 -- 08/04/2006... are not the hottest on record. That "honor" belongs to a summer 76 years ago -- decades before the controversy over "man-made global warming" began. ...

Again, this is a regional phenomenon. Globally this summer is a lot hotter than 76 years ago, 1930 was about 0.5Â°C cooler than today, globally.

You should be careful about articles that cite work by the Cato Institute. They are funded by fossil fuel interests. Cato Institute has received $110,000 from ExxonMobil alone since 1998. They are one of these groups that are simply lying about global warming to protect the business of their funders.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:30 pm

BTS;656164 wrote: Does IT?

Absolutely. The globe is warming, as measured by both satellite and ground based stations. Therefore we have global warming.

That's what global warming is. It's a "warming" of the "globe".

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:36 pm

BTS;656150 wrote:

The Summer of 1992... One cold Summer

You've posted a link to an article about the weather in South-east Lower Michigan during 1992. I don't see how it does anything to a discussion about global warming. Would you care to elaborate?

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:43 pm

BTS;656150 wrote: NOAA News Online (Story 2319)16, 2004 â€” The contiguous United States experienced its 16th coolest summer (June-August) on record and seventh coolest August, according to scientists at ...

This is interesting, but again it is only a regional effect, much like the cold snap earlier this year in America, which was exacerbated by global warming which provided the energy to drive the cool winds from Canada that brought all the snow.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:49 pm

BTS;656150 wrote: SEPTEMBER 1936 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED ...The warmest summer on record, with a national average temperature of 74.3 degrees, was in 1936. The coolest summer on record was in 1915, at 69.5 degrees F. ...

This is untrue and a misquote.

The article that you link to is called:

SEPTEMBER 1998 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED STATES, NOAA REPORTS

It does mention the summer of 1936, but not the September, as your altered title suggests.

And 1998 was the warmest year so far on record for the world.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:50 pm

Bored_Wombat;656176 wrote: This is interesting, but again it is only a regional effect, much like the cold snap earlier this year in America, which was exacerbated by global warming which provided the energy to drive the cool winds from Canada that brought all the snow.

Your facts come from where????

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:00 am

BTS;656150 wrote: Cool Summer 2004Oklahoma had its 6th coolest July on record. In fact most places east of the Rocky Mountains are in the midst of a cool summer. ...

More on Cool Summer 2004...METEOROLOGICAL SUMMER WILL BE ONE OF THE COOLEST ON RECORD. .... IT WAS THE 5TH COOLEST SUMMER ON RECORD AT HURON WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF 67.1 ...

Rural News - 1/03/2002: Coolest summer on record in SASouth Australia has had its coolest summer on record with many regions on average five degrees cooler than last years exceptionally hot summer The cool ...

NWS Lincoln, IL -- Cool Summer of 2004Unseasonably Cool Summer across Central Illinois so far. ... Springfield had its 6th coolest July on record, and tied for the 9th coolest June on record. ...

Cool summer for Victoria: final summary - Bureau of Meteorology ...Victoria has experienced a relatively cool summer with maximum and minimum temperatures ... which was the highest number of days for February on record. ...

The Summer of 1992... One cold SummerNot only was the month abnormally cool, it was extremely wet, especially across ... This made the Summer of 1992 the second coldest on record back to 1870. ...

Geraldton looks to hot summer after record cool start. 03/01/2006 ...Geraldton in mid-west Western Australia has experienced the coolest December on record for more than 50 years The average daily maximum temperature in ...

Western states enjoying cool summerWestern states enjoying cool summer By Amanda Riddle, The Assoicated Press ... to the summer's low temperatures, a strong monsoon season has dropped record ...

JS Online: Cool summer puts corn, soybean crops weeks behind in ...Cool summer puts corn, soybean crops weeks behind in development. Associated Press ... It was also a record-setting day for chills in Wisconsin. ...

National Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac

On a more recent note and better in the memory of Southeast Lower Michiganders, is the hot summer of 1988, when a record amount of 90 degree or better days, ...

These again, including the double up from above, talk about very regional both geographically and temporally, weather.

Some areas of the globe are indeed cooling. Just not many, and not America or Australia. However when a global mean surface temperature is calculated, a warming pattern definitely emerges:

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:07 am

Bored_Wombat;656180 wrote: This is untrue and a misquote.

The article that you link to is called:

SEPTEMBER 1998 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED STATES, NOAA REPORTS

It does mention the summer of 1936, but not the September, as your altered title suggests.

And 1998 was the warmest year so far on record for the world.

Never altered anything.....Was hottest 'September" on record.....?

Is September in the summer or NOT?

And the hottest (Sept. 1936) EVER to boot!!!!

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:19 am

Bored_Wombat;656182 wrote: These again, including the double up from above, talk about very regional both geographically and temporally, weather.

Some areas of the globe are indeed cooling. Just not many, and not America or Australia. However when a global mean surface temperature is calculated, a warming pattern definitely emerges:

Why not go back to the Medieval Warming Period?

Does that work into your equation?

They would be right up there with todays weather temps

One question..

How did the Vikings settle GREENLAND and grow crops etc?

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:21 am

BTS;656181 wrote: Your facts come from where????
I saw a discussion on the box at the time.

But this kind of increased energy in the system that creats strong circulation between the equator and the pole, (which is what happened, a warm northbound airflow, very wet above a cold, very dry, southbound air flow), are a well enough understood consequence of increasing the temperature differential between the equator and the pole.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:29 am

BTS;656185 wrote: Never altered anything.....Was hottest 'September" on record.....?
Well yes you did. The article says " SEPTEMBER 1998 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED STATES, NOAA REPORTS

", and your link says " SEPTEMBER 1936 WAS WARMEST ON RECORD -- GLOBALLY AND IN UNITED ..."

You changed the link to say that September 1936 was the warmest, but the articles says September 1998 was the warmest.

Now it should be clear that 1936 is not 1998.

Bored_Wombat · Post by **Bored_Wombat** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:41 am

BTS;656187 wrote: Why not go back to the Medieval Warming Period?
Because I was graphing the effect of the industrial revolution.

The MWP, as with your cold February 2007, was not a global phenomenon. Here is a reconstruction of temperature of the northern hemisphere from the NOAA website, based on an analysis of multiple ice core and tree ring data. (see: Mann, M.E., R.S. Bradley and M.K. Hughes, "Northern hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: inferences, uncertainties and limitations." Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 26, pp. 759-762. 1999):

BTS;656187 wrote: Does that work into your equation?

They would be right up there with todays weather temps

Well, no.

BTS;656187 wrote: One question..

How did the Vikings settle GREENLAND and grow crops etc?
In much the same way as crops are grown there today.

They grow vegetables and farm sheep in southern Greenland. And it is quite lush and green.

The closest core to the Viking settlement, (Dye3) suggests the warmest temperatures there of the past several thousand years were reached in the 20th Century.