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William Ess

<t>Ted wrote: Heavens, look what happens when one goes away for a weeks holidays. I will make one comment though. I find personal references to one's country of origin and its people very offensive. That was some 66 years ago. It is time to get over it. This does not mean to forget what h...

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I shall have to drop out of the debate for a couple of days as I have to run across country to Cambridge for a reunion. I shall try and pick up the threads on Monday.

William Ess

<t>spot wrote: If you were a christian, would you not go to church? The fruits of christianity include communion, which surely implies meeting up as a recognisable group with a common identity; worship, which implies gathering for the purpose; and learning from the religious leaders, whic...

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<t>spot wrote: Here's a hook for you to hang your comment on, then. The generally recognised figure for worldwide religious affiliation is one third christian, two thirds not, but the basis of who is a christian is (to my mind) shockingly inflated at least in those parts of the world with...

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spot wrote: It is, rather excitingly, still non-Christian, that's the point I was trying to get across.

I think you may be wrong. I will take up the theme in the morning.

William Ess

<t>spot wrote: Not that other religions necessarily dispute Christian notions of gender in the Godhead - Hindu religious philosophy encompasses a male nature, as in: All faces are His faces; all heads, His heads; all necks, His necks. He dwells in the hearts of all beings. He is the all-p...

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<t>[QUOTE=Lulu2 It's either to be taken literally or NONE of it is to be taken literally. And since a great deal of it is contradictory or totally ignored these days....it's meaningless to insist that ANY of it is literal truth.: That is, I am afraid, a nonsense. One coul...

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<t>spot wrote: The thread's full of "God is this" or "The bible tells us that" as though christian musings are considered by the author to be both definitive and exhaustive, that's all. No qualification of "within Christian dogmatics" or "the understanding of some christians suggests". Those posts e...

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<t>zinkyusa wrote: [QUOTE=zinkyusa] I was referring to the Jesus quote as in so what, just because in the Bible Jesus said it? You should not take the Bible at face value and there are times when it can act as a brake on intellectual theology. The Bible can be...

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spot wrote: Tell me, why are all these christian musings considered either definitive or exhaustive?

Who said they were?

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911 wrote: [QUOTE=William Ess]

I believe that God is referred to as male. As I stated in my first post, Jesus called him 'My Father'. )

That is a very good point. I should have thought of it..................

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<r>911 wrote: [QUOTE=William Ess] First of all, I don't think you remember your scriptures correctly. If so, then you would be saying that God created man and then let him have a go at a little bestiality. Then he went to God and said that the animals just weren't working for ...

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<t>Okie wrote: But Warren Jeffs was on the FBIs most wanted list for his practices of setting up marriages between undeage girls and middle aged men. He would expel lots of young men from the cult to make it possible to have a lot of young girls to marry his older friends. Some had forty wives. Stra...

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<t>Okie wrote: I dont know when they decided the age of consent to be 16 here. Not even sure its 16 in all the states. But my granny got married at 13. But most states consider it rape to have sex with a person under 16 even if they are willing. Some school teachers here have done time in prison for...

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<t>Okie wrote: Yes, here you must have a blood test done before they issue a license. At least they did when i got married. You typically had to wait a week after you applied for your license to actually get it. Some states here did not require a week wait. Arkansas was one. I think Nevada too allow...

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<t>[QUOTE=anastrophe]heterosexuals have screwed up the sanctity of marraige quite fully. if heterosexuals can't seem to get it right, who are they to suggest that homosexuals won't be able to? It is not heterosexuality that has weakened marriage but other influences. There has been a tend...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: William, you seem to have some chronic problems with quoting correctly. in your last post, the following text appeared: Quote: Originally Posted by anastrophe Your dislike of rayon as an idividual does not make rayon-weari...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: how are you harmed by that? It harms society as a whole. The causes of much of what you see around you - as someone else has pointed out - has been due to the erosion of the marriage balance and the last thing society needs now is something that weakens the esta...

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<t>Lulu2 wrote: The men who wrote the bible were highly educated? I see? And from which university did they graduate? Aren't they the ones who told the little tale about Noah? Noah....the guy who collected, kept safe and then returned all those interesting Australian animals? And by whose...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: in your own words, "Just because you 'think' something wrong is no longer wrong, does not make it right." i find the wearing of rayon to be abhorent. Your dislike of rayon as an idividual does not make rayon-wearing wrong. If, on the other hand, an overwhelming propo...

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<t>Lulu2 wrote: Pointing out (ONCE AGAIN) that ample evidence of same-sex relationships exist in many other species, including our nearest genetic relatives, the bonobos. It is NOT ''unnatural''...in fact, it seems to be as natural as nature. What animals get up to is immaterial (al...

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<t>Okie wrote: I think you put it very well. While I am not gay, I know some people who are gay and most are very bright and talented. I cannot understand how they can feel as they do about other people of the same sex but its apparent they really do so who am I to say its wrong. I hate for people t...

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By the time we'd filled twenty-odd pages, I'd forgotten what the original question was..........................

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<t>[QUOTE=Tigerlily]Me and my pal Sally are considering getting married when we've both become widows - hopefully not for another 20 years or so. It's common sense for a couple of widows to share a house, but if there's a means of some sort of civil contract to ensure security of the one remaining s...

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<t>Okie wrote: When I was working, there was a man I knew who was married and seemed very religious as he could not celebrate any sort of holiday. I think it was LDS. Anyway he told me more than once the government should have no say about marriage as in issuing licenses. I think the original intent...

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<t>SnoozeControl wrote: I would hope that most parents wish health and happiness to their children. I am sure they all do but that is not the issue. If homosexuality is on a par with normality as some in this discussion appear to believe, then presumably they would have no qualms ab...

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<t>Accountable wrote: We discuss lots of things, both pleasant and unpleasant. Eating excrement is disgusting for some, apparently not for others (yuck), but it's not illegal. Try again. I doubt if there are many people for whom the ingestion of excrement woul...

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<t>Bronwen wrote: 2. Then you should be actively opposing Islamic terrorism, the CURRENT world menace, rather than wasting your time hypothesizing about why Israel doesn't deserve to exist. The Israelis aren't going to bomb your Underground and neither are the Germans. I...

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<t>Accountable wrote: I don't care what you were addressing. You said homosexuality is wrong; others asked why, more than once. You haven't answered that question, as far as I know. If I'm wrong, please give me a link. If not please address what makes homosexuality wrong. Because it...

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<t>Accountable wrote: Having a child with Downs Syndrome is a blessing. Generally, they are always happy and optimistic. With the slightest contact, they can brighten anybody's day. They are permanent children, God's little clowns. They are special. If I had a son, would I wan...

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<t>Accountable wrote: It doesn't make it wrong, either. What makes it wrong, William? You haven't addressed that. If you have, please give me a link, because I missed it. I was addressing your assertion that because it had been extant since the origin of man, ...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: the test, as always, is one of harm. other than your sensibilities - which are irrelevant - what innocent person is harmed by two homosexuals committing to a life together? attached is an anniversary announcement that ran in our local paper. my wife cut it...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: scripture has much to say on many subjects, and quite a few of those things are abhorent to most people today, such as stoning adulterers to death, or sanctioning the owning slaves. . I thought I had made it clear that my arguement was not based on sc...

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<t>anastrophe wrote: please be more specific. wearing rayon is an unnatural act. driving a car is an unnatural act. whose human instinct rebels? clearly, the homosexual's instinct is quite the opposite. homosexuality has existed as long as civilization has existed. . Is wearing rayo...

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RedGlitter wrote: I was trying to be delicate about anal sex.

I should not have thought it was a subject that lent itself to delicacy.

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RedGlitter wrote: William, are you being humorous or serious? Forgive me. I was trying to be delicate about anal sex. :-3

Over here a butt is either a barrel or a cigarette end. What you are talking about is known as buggery.

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<t>RedGlitter wrote: Well, William, what makes it wrong then? Is it a biblical thing? Is it the fact that butts are involved? What is it? I'm not trying to be funny here. And you don't have to explain yourself either. But I am inquiring. What makes it wrong is the fact that it is an...

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<t>woppy71 wrote: Who are we "normal" people to question what other people get up to? Because the normal majority set the norm for society. One might countenance the grotesque act of homosexuals is they kept their horrible relationships to each other but the ...

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[QUOTE=Luckily, we no longer think it's a sin to or work on the sabbath

Just because you 'think' something wrong is no longer wrong, does not make it right. Not so long ago the Germans decided that mass murder was right but was it?

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<t>I have just returned to Egland after a week and a half in Australia. A very nice place and a long way removed from the 'soap' impression that the TV gives of Australians. The Australians I met were helpful, pleasant, friendly and difficult to find fault with. Except for one. And my son...

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<r>Lulu2 wrote: It is? <EMOJI seq="1f615" tseq="1f615">:confused:</EMOJI> Then howcome fundamentalists want to use Christian "morality" to deny same-sex marriages? It has nothing to do with religion. Many people find the idea of homosexuality disgusting and believe that to equate it...

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Bill Sikes wrote: That does not ROT... it must be Welsh!

Hwntw = South Walean.

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Bill Sikes wrote: (mutter) Stating the b. obvious..... you are... "Welsh" - not the preferred term?

What is this "welshie"? Something to do with collies?

Welshie? New one on me. Must be a Hwntw expression............

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<t>Accountable wrote: We can't in good conscience use Biblical guidelines to govern a secular society made up of myriad religions, athiests, agnostics, and apathists. It's against the Bible. Most religions apply a fairly standard moral code. If the Bible hadn't given us the ten comm...

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Chris wrote: Because, these arguments are secular.

Some of us believe in the sacred nature of marriage. (It appears that our numbers are dwindling.)

At last I have found someone in this debate that I can agree with!

William Ess

YZGI wrote: Now see that right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

I am sorry but I didn't understand a word of that.

William Ess

<t>spot wrote: Triangles and God are both words. For "triangle" we have the advantage of both simplicity and a dictionary. The dictionary restricts the definition of triangle to something very specific and (not that I've looked) three-sided. God, on the other hand, is a word for something...

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<t>Hamster wrote: Yes I agree with this...If it is to be taken as a joke it is something I don't find amusing! And with half the members of this forum being female its not so wise to joke about it! I presume even members of the fair sex as represented herein have a sense of irony. Y...

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Hamster wrote: Are you saying that your statement was intended as a joke?

I never for a moment suspected that it would be taken as anything else.

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<t>[QUOTE=Hamster]I am not blaming you for the bible-I never implied that. I have also felt the presence of God but I still do not know that it is a man or a woman..and neither do you.... Since almost all the principal roles in the Scriptures were given to men, it seems a reaso...

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