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Samuel

<t>buttercup;1224100 wrote: Thank you for the links, i enjoyed reading them. This stood out to me as a good explanation but completely unbelievable. 
 
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1223990 wrote: Hi Samuel 
 
Oh boy this is confusing stuff, it does not seem rational or logical. 
 
Right, you are saying God and Jesus are separate, God raised Jesus ect. 
 
You are saying God is a spirit, is he the holy spirit? If God is the holy spirit how ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1223990 wrote: Hi Samuel 
 
Oh boy this is confusing stuff, it does not seem rational or logical. 
 
Right, you are saying God and Jesus are separate, God raised Jesus ect. 
 
You are saying God is a spirit, is he the holy spirit? If God is the holy spirit how ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1223946 wrote: 
 
Hi Samuel 
 
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, the weekend has turned out busier than i expected. Your responses interested me. 
 
The Jesus thing - I'm of the opinion Jesus was some kind of David Blaine of his time. 
<br ...

Samuel

<r>buttercup;1222935 wrote: 
 
Because i do not believe there is a god and 'if' there was a jesus i don't believe he was the son of god. 
 
 
Well, extra-biblical history shows that Jesus did exist. What do you mean by “son of god? Perhaps when I know your definition, I will ...

Samuel

<r>buttercup;1222939 wrote: Sorry i never seem to get the quote thing quite right hence making responses bold in type. Yes, i see your point. If you can persevere with the irritation of it meantime i will do my best to correct it. 
 
 
I just lost my response to you. Stay tuned and I ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1222935 wrote: I don't know much about Trinitarian Protestants so i've a few more questions. 
 
Why is your god the God of Israel and not God of the whole world? 
 
Did he create the whole world? 
 
What are your beliefs in heaven and hell, afterlife? 
<br ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1222905 wrote: Hi Samuel 
 
How very nice to meet you. Thank you for responding to my questions. 
 
 
Hi to you too. 
 
buttercup;1222905 wrote: 
 
Does science not answer how we came to exist? Why do you choose a creator over science? <br ...

Samuel

<r>Abram Is Muslim;1221176 wrote: Aint that story in the Bible <EMOJI seq="1f615" tseq="1f615">:confused:</EMOJI>Or im confused :sneaky: 
 
and we will take time discussing it , but let me focuse on the sexy َQuestion <E>:D</E> u asked <E>:D</E> 
 
 
 
 
 
Again ...

Samuel

<r>Abram Is Muslim;1221178 wrote: hey friend:D what a cute historical map <E>:D</E> , hey do u want me to draw u a map making Paran in NC , read more about MT-Sinia , and where they think it lies nowadays :sneaky: 
 
 
The biblical Paran is in the Sinai Peninsula as the map clearly ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1221010 wrote: Romans 7 is a good study. Paul was going through some serious changes, but he was chosen and converted, I am no such thing. But I still can relate to sin having its way with you. You got all these pristine christians walking around here as if they are sinless, makes a ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1220863 wrote: Well , friend 
 
In Quran , God never asked for killing kids,women,and aged, 
 
 
Allah killed men, women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah and the people in the flood. 
 
Muhammad was not above killing children. 
 
Recorded ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1220863 wrote: 
 
The Jews before u also said that Jesus aint the Messiah , and now as they denied Jesus , u do ur best to deny Muhamed PBUH , by the way , just look at the link. 
 
 
What does that have to do with where Paren is? 
 
Here is a map ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1220863 wrote: 
 
:D:DCan u give Examples:sneaky: 
 
 
I already did. Search for it. 
 
Abram Is Muslim;1220863 wrote: 
 
Last thing: Do u believe that Bible never make mistakes....?? 
 
 
What some critics see as "mistakes ...

Samuel

<t>Peg;1206106 wrote: What I don't get is people who go to church ever week, never missing, yet you see them in the bar drunk, talking nasty about people behind their backs, etc. If that is what religion is all about, it's not for me. 
 
 
There are a lot of people in all religions who ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1206103 wrote: If your god does not need elaborate buildings why are they elaborate? They are often the largest buildings in any town or city. Does it make you feel a better person for providing these things even knowing that he/she does not want or need them? That does not make sence ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1206065 wrote: Ok so you believe there is a god, why do you prey to him or her, why do you need a place to do it in with others. 
 
 
I think the Creator wants us to have a relationship with Him. He draws us to Him. 
 
We don't need a place to pray to God; we can ...

Samuel

<t>buttercup;1206055 wrote: In your own words without quoting some holy book please. 
 
Why do you feel the need for gods, religion, praying, churches, temples whatever you call your place of worship. 
 
Do you need something to believe in, why? 
 
 
I think what it ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1220688 wrote: 
 
Im sorry for being late ,I have many stuff to finish for my school, its my graduation year gonna start NshAllah, 
 
Well I talked about that again and again and again before, 
 
The Christians and Jews believes that God picked the Jews ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1220530 wrote: Well good for you, you are very fortunate indeed. But not me, I do not belong to Gods Kingdom and I am subject to satan. I don't like that, but its just how it is for now. I don't know how to force Gods hand, I can't make God do anything, I don't know how to manipulate him ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1220310 wrote: Jesus called the Devil " The Ruler of this world." You can see that in John 12:31, 14:30, and 16:11. Thats what the Devil is, the Ruler, the undisputed ruler of all the earth. By this we can know that the Darkness really rules this world. The bible even goes as far as ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1220263 wrote: Jesus walked this earth some 33 years and the powers of the Darkness never touched him. Never effected him, but that changed one day after Judas betrayed him. Jesus was soon arrested and again made an interesting reference to the power of the Darkness in Luke 22:53;"While I ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1220151 wrote: 
 
Again Jesus in John 12:35;" For a little while longer the light is amoung you, walk while you have the light, that Darkness may not overtake you; he who walks in the Darkness does not know where he goes." 
 
 
Jesus said He would be with them in ...

Samuel

<t>Mickiel;1220116 wrote: One of my most frustrating experiences in my life has been the way God has ignored my request to him to have a relationship with him. 
 
 
How do you know God has ignored your request; could it be that you have ignored Him? 
 
Mickiel;1220116 wrote ...

Samuel

<r>Samuel;1219055 wrote: You have to understand Gnostic theology and you don't. 
 
The Gospel of Judas was written well after Judas died. He did not write it. 
 
This particular forum of Gnosticism identified with the villains of the Bible. The believed the God of this world is evil ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219475 wrote: 
 
Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 
 
Well, lets say there was Gnostic theology in the Eairly Church , but already there was another paganism theology ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219397 wrote: 
 
and do not forget how many Gospels the Catholic Church burnt. 
 
 
Didn't the Church burn books to keep them out of the Bible? 
 
Email: What do you have to say about all the things I hear about how there were so many books burned ...

Samuel

<r>Abram Is Muslim;1219397 wrote: Im not that lazy <E>:)</E> 
 
But U should start talking a point a point and then say If u wanna know more about -X- click that link ********** 
 
Thats what I do at least. 
 
And about the Gospel , the only found translation by Europian is ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219396 wrote: Then still need a proof that they were written by that time, and why they are the only accepted from the Eairly Church writtings , while many Other writtings have the same or more value to be trusted , like the Apostalic teachings , and the Apostalic traditions ...

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1219476 wrote: U aint a Jew to care

Neither are you a Jew.

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219018 wrote: 
 
For example , that next verse deny that Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are Gods or divines, 
 
Matthew 24:36 - But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 
 
How a God doesnt know the day of ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219022 wrote: Give me one proof that they were writtn by Matthew,John,Or luke, prove who wrote them , and why they were accepted and the Other Gospels denied, prove to me who wrote them. 
 
 
Some of the criteria for a book to be accepted as canon was that they had ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219021 wrote: What is not True....?? 
 
 
I said that we have trinitarian quotes before 325AD. 
 
Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle. 
 
"O Lord God almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and ...

Samuel

abbey;1219020 wrote: That's like the pot calling the kettle black!

LOL. Quite true, isn't it?

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219014 wrote: 
 
The Teachings of Talmud 
 
"The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd "instruction, learning", from a root lmd "teach, study") is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs, and history. It is a central text of ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1219016 wrote: 
 
THE WASHINGTON TIMES in April 7 , 2006 made an Issuse named [ Judas stars as 'anti-hero' in gospel By Julia Duin]. 
 
In the Gospel of Judah , Near the end of the Judas gospel, Jesus tells Judas he will "exceed" the rest of the disciples "for ...

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1219015 wrote: Dont give me links plz, give specific points to discuss

If you are too lazy to read the links, then I can't help you.

The Gospel of Barnabas is a 15th century forgery.

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote:

Another thing, do you know when the Church spreaded the faith that Jesus a son for God ....??

that was at 325

Not true. There are many Trinitarian quotes prior to 325AD. The Trinity is based on Scriptures.

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote:

In Christianty,Its kinda confussing is Jesus a prophet , a God , or what...??

What is so confusing? Jesus was a prophet, the son of David, the son of Man, the Messiah, the incarnate Word of God. Jesus was all of them.

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote: 
 
Now about Killing Jesus , where its approved from Christians scriptures that Jesus was not killed and his likeness was clothed to another student....?? 
 
In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote: 
 
In the Gospel of Judah , thats it orginal comes back to the third Century as Old as Matthew Gosples and Others, that Gospel prove that fact, and you can find it all here, 
 
 
Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written in the first century ...

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote:

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

Forgery proof:

The Forgery of the Gospel of Barnabas

The Gospel of Barnabas

Origins and Sources of the Gospel of Barnabas

Samuel

Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote:

And already the Gospels of Bernaba aprove what I said too,

It's a forgery, Abram.

Don't get duped.

Samuel

<r>Abram Is Muslim;1216416 wrote: Thats completely wrong Spot <E>:D</E>, 
 
In Judism ,the Talmud say that Jesus is a son of Who** , 
 
Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the ...

Samuel

<r>Abram Is Muslim;1215013 wrote: Salam,Shalom for you all 
 
The Abrahmic religions, Judism,Christianty, and Islam ,they all call for being from the same source , but none accept what came after it , like Judism refuse Islam and Christianty , and Christianty refuse Islam ,and Islam found ...

Samuel

flopstock;1204087 wrote: I guess I don't understand the point to this thread.

I don't get it either.

Samuel

<t>[QUOTE=Abram Is Muslim;1202521But what is Paran...........?? 
 
Strong's Hebrew: 6290. Pa'ran (paw-rawn') 
 
6290. Pa'ran (paw-rawn') 
 
From pa'ar; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia -- Paran. 
 
see HEBREW pa'ar 
 
many Christians and Jews do their ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1202493 wrote: What about the Christians bombing Muslims civlians in Afghanistan , what about America,Christian America, bombing a complete nation with nuclear weapon, what about Christian Hitlar, with his cross,burning the Jews, what about the Christians killing in Lebanon about ...

Samuel

<t>Abram Is Muslim;1202413 wrote: Again what freedom means for u........?? 
 
And if u answered my Questions all , it will be more easily to understand:-6 
 
 
Terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians. Like Muslims who go into markets and cafes and blow themselves up ...

Samuel

gmc;1201644 wrote: [QUOTE=Samuel;1201602]

No but you missed mine. The problem is perhaps not the bible but people who believe it is the word of god.

My point is that even if there were no holy books, there would still be terrorism.

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