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<t>Mickiel;1522201 wrote: I have a thread ," is God real", over 200 pages explaining why I think so, amazingly people still ask me to explain it. A lot of things about God cannot be explained , like his creation of consciousness. I know it did not create itself; I am not falling for that. One of the...

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<r>FourPart;1522185 wrote: Wouldn't you agree that the ability to hold a 2 way conversation would indicate conciousness? Koko could not only converse using sign language, but even asked for a mate & had a go at video dating. She was even critical of some of them, based on ...

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<t>Ahso!;1522200 wrote: Therein lies the issue. I have a thread ," is God real", over 200 pages explaining why I think so, amazingly people still ask me to explain it. A lot of things about God cannot be explained , like his creation of consciousness. I know it did not create itself...

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<t>gmc;1522197 wrote: I think therfore I exist. something must have made me therefore god exists. Stupid argument I could see through when I was nine years old. If as you have stated in previous posts the bible is the unadulterated word of god then you p...

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gmc;1522194 wrote: You are the one that claims male/female is a creation. As the one making the claim the burden of proof is on you. I don't know how so it must be a creator is not proof or even a reasonable argument.

You are the proof, wonderfully made.

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Bryn Mawr;1522174 wrote: I give up.

Sorry.

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Bryn Mawr;1522169 wrote: What has this got to do with evolution?

Oh nothing, I was just getting back on topic. But we can continue to discuss it if you like.

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<t>Mickiel;1522164 wrote: The male penis and the female vergina were well purposed design's. Its academic. In my culture we call small porcelain statues "due hickeys". You can buy matching pairs for display. Male and female are purposeful created matching pairs meant to go together,...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522163 wrote: Pupae to butterfly is not an example of evolution at all and neither is it purposed change - to claim that it is purposed is to place an intelligence into the mechanism that does not exit within evolutionary theory and turns it into something else entirely (Intelligent Cr...

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Mickiel;1522162 wrote: No evolution is not selection of the fittest, it's a detailed purposed change. Pupi to butterfly is a good example. My view is different than yours.

The male penis and the female vergina were well purposed design's. Its academic.

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522161 wrote: No, evolution is a mechanism whereby changes of parameters within a system, whether that be an ecosystem, a neural network or whatever, are selected or rejected according to the changes in efficiency they introduce into that system. Understand that and you will see that t...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522157 wrote: Not obvious at all, a matter of opinion taken as an article of faith. To me it's an outside possibility for which I see no evidence whereas I can see a rational chain of cause and effect that explains evolutionary theory. Evolution is expected ...

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<t>Mickiel;1522155 wrote: Yes conscious direction , which means planning and purpose , which I see as far more accurate explanation than random self creation. The universe is the result of skill and design; high powered skill and talent . obvious purposeful conscious planning. The univers...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522154 wrote: Your final comparison is totally specious but it you insist that to have creation you must have conscious direction then that is your right - I just cannot agree that it is so. Yes conscious direction , which means planning and purpose , which I see as fa...

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<t>Ahso!;1522148 wrote: Not that we were "supposed to", but rather that it turned out to be the obvious best, most efficient way forward. As has been mentioned, there have been many other ways that we've never witnessed happen live that failed through trial and error. To the gist of your ...

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<t>Ahso!;1522148 wrote: Not that we were "supposed to", but rather that it turned out to be the obvious best, most efficient way forward. As has been mentioned, there have been many other ways that we've never witnessed happen live that failed through trial and error. To the gist of your ...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522147 wrote: I see no need to consider that the universe thinks in any way shape or form (it might or might not - there is no need for it to do so in order to explain evolution). It has been shown (the Miler experiment et al) that given the starting conditions on a primitiv...

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<t>LarsMac;1522138 wrote: Since the Universe has been around for millions of years, I suspect it has had time to come up with some pretty amazing stuff, all by its own self. The universe is a descriptive term that describes a location of a very large physical place , you are willing...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522136 wrote: Then we will obviously have to agree to disagree, there is no reply to this emotive missive. I agree to disagree . I fail to see a thing like gender , the anatomy of humans , the physical universe, the animal kingdom and so much more to be the ...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1522134 wrote: Male and female is not a design, it's evolved that way because it is the most efficient way of introducing change into a species. In the beginning there was asexual reproduction where a single cellular organism split into two identical daughters, a process call...

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<t>You ever wonder how non creationists explain male and female? Okay let's agree that it's an idea. Alright then who's idea? In raw evloution there cannot be an idea or a plan, because that would denote a personage , so that can only be used in creationism. Evolution has no ideas. So wha...

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<t>Lane;1521298 wrote: these little writings are just minutes out of a day, thoughts that I try to pretty up, and maybe give others ideas.. Easy Times you beg for relief, at any price, times one minute more. Days you harbor, <br...

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LarsMac;1522083 wrote: A book that you might find interesting:

Consciousness and the Brain by Stanislas Dehaene

Thank you I like books on consciousness.

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LarsMac;1522071 wrote: I know a lot of Humans who don't seem to be very "Conscious" these days.

And, you've never met a Chimpanzee up close, either, I'd wager.

No I have never met a chimp. Neither did I attend the Cambridge declaration on consciousness.

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<r>FourPart;1522063 wrote: The question, I suppose, is how you define conciousness. For instance, does a chimp have conciousness? Are they self aware? Gorillas most certainly are. Koko, for instance demonstrated this beyond a shadow of a doubt, being fully able to communicate in sign language ( <YOU...

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Look at the internet vedios on Panamanian puppies, their great.

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<t>Ted;1520998 wrote: Personally my goal in life is teaching. I'm not interested in converting anyone to may way of thinking. If one is an acceptor of the reality of God that is ok with me. If one is an atheist that is fine with me. You can be a member of any faith group of none that is your busines...

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Ted;1521050 wrote: I think the only way to serve God is to follow the ancient wisdom. Love your enemies, love your neighbored. feed the hungry. (Matt:25),

Those ways are certainly included.

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<t>Mickiel;1522055 wrote: I admit to belief in God and I hope that I do not pressure others to believe: I am one who believes that God , whatever he is, gets what he wants. And to our good fortune, he wants all of humanity to be with him at the end of this physical life. This whole thing ...

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<t>Mickiel;1522052 wrote: Well I agree with you., he most certainly wanted us to be different and populate the world. Listen, what had happened in human history and what is happening now , is exactly what God wants to happen and what he wanted to happen. How could something happen that Go...

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There were obviously primordial humans. What then was the obvious difference between them and us ; I would say consciousness.

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<t>tude dog;1522050 wrote: I would think he just wanted us to be different and go to separate parts of the world. Could go further with that but that would sound like some preaching. Well I agree with you., he most certainly wanted us to be different and populate the worl...

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gmc;1522045 wrote:

Different colours different languages god just doesn't want is to get along does he!

I don't think he wanted us to get along in this life, no.9

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<t>tude dog;1522043 wrote: I don't know the origin of civilized man, but it must have started wifh some important LESSON There was a time that man changed in his ways and being. He existed and something happened to him where his knowledge and being just took a dramatic turn and he e...

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<t>Mickiel;1522038 wrote: In my view to achieve the spectrum of different races that we have now, the first two humans who mated , must have had the ability to produce various colors in their offspring. Two light whites cannot produce other colors, nor could two dark blacks, the melatonin has to hav...

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<t>Mickiel;1522036 wrote: I think Adam and Eve were black: mid brown to be as exact as one can speculate, because two mid Brown people could have children of more Diverse colors. Thus we can see them having a wide scope of colorful offspring. More melatonin was produced. In my view ...

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I think Adam and Eve were black: mid brown to be as exact as one can speculate, because two mid Brown people could have children of more Diverse colors. Thus we can see them having a wide scope of colorful offspring. More melatonin was produced.

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LarsMac;1522024 wrote: I can't say that I understand what you are getting at. Consciousness is a relative thing. How conscious were you when you were a 1-year-old?

I believe 1 year old humans are more conscious than adult primordial humans were.

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I imagine I can hold racism inside of me as long as I want to. Do we even look at holding the good things in living like that? Why is it easy to hold onto negative things? It seems like a struggle to maintain goodness. The shelf life of good things verses bad things is interesting.

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<t>Mickiel;1521999 wrote: Nutty and unconventional and willing to look one step beyond. To disconnect from traditional learning. A closer stare at reason. And when a whole race of humans leave no trace of reason for thousands of years , there must be a reason for that history. For t...

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<t>I am a black man. I recall being in my first mixed reltionship , she was white and very sweet. I knew racism but this gave me a unique personal look at it. It opens the door to insight and comes at you in different directions. It can offer unity or throw some envy and hate your way. I learned a l...

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The shelf life of racism will inertly develop mold , as it grows from within. It can become a rotting inside. Internal mold established by human beast. It has a voice; a soundtrack that has played throughout the century.

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Mickiel;1521996 wrote: I think the force that will erase time , will erase racism.

Even modern societies couldn't erase racism.

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Nutty and unconventional and willing to look one step beyond. To disconnect from traditional learning. A closer stare at reason. And when a whole race of humans leave no trace of reason for thousands of years , there must be a reason for that history.

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<t>LarsMac;1521967 wrote: Well, as long as you are learning and growing it can't be all bad. I don't recall seeing this thread, before. It has some interesting thoughts. Yes I don't think primordial man was conscious but I understand that a normal consciousness perhaps c...

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Bryn Mawr;1521991 wrote: The strongest force of all will erase it - time.

I think the force that will erase time , will erase racism.

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<t>Singh-Song;1445862 wrote: I myself can't see for the life of me where he called for you to be banned, but I would certainly be inclined to back him if he did. You need to start actually being willing to engage with the other people who have things to say, instead of disparagingly dismissing every...

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<t>Mickiel;1521964 wrote: Religion is like a mirror, it's man made for any to look into but we created it. And we use it to look at ourselves and some to even define themselves. The invention never precedes the inventors. We invented racism as well. How long will racism l...

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<t>AnneBoleyn;1521955 wrote: td: "Just wondering what makes Religion inherently racist, and the cause of most bad things." Because...........it's an easy dodge. People naively (IMO) believe that if there were no Religious issues we wouldn't find other reasons to hate each others guts. We ...

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